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Wife takes the bus down to 17th street for work and notices a new sign on the bus saying no weapons or firearms allowed. She ask me what to do and since I dont want her downtown with out a gun.
Now I started thinking about it and I'm kinda cheased...
Correct me if I'm wrong about this...My taxes pay for roads which they operate on, light rail which they operate on with no free rides or royalties for me paying for their stuff but now I can't carry my LEGALLY bought gun Concealed even though I have a LEGAL permit that says I can on a bus that I help pay for the very road it operates on.
Please rant on, maybe call a few RTD reps, Overturn some buses (jk).
2008f450
01-11-2011, 20:48
I want to say this was a mayor Prickinpooper deal but I could be wrong.
Daniel_187
01-11-2011, 20:51
I would just do it Conceled is conceled. its easier to beg for forgivness then ask for permission
DD977GM2
01-11-2011, 20:53
Comcealed means concealed
gnihcraes
01-11-2011, 20:56
Still searching for more information, because I want to know too.
From their website:
http://www.rtd-denver.com/Archive/HowToRide/tips_for_riding_safely_and_comfortably.html
Riding Tips...
Please don�t take up more than one seat if the bus or train is crowded.
Let passengers exiting the bus or train get off before you get on.
Stay in your seat while the vehicle is moving. If no seats are available, move to the back of the bus or light rail car and hold onto the poles or straps provided for your safety.
Seats near the front of the bus and each light rail car are priority seating for senior citizens and disabled riders. Please be courteous and give them your seat if you see them standing.
Do not lean against the doors inside a bus or train.
Do not leave any valuables in stations or on buses or trains.
Keep aisles clear of parcels and packages. Any items you bring on board should be small enough to fit on your lap or at your feet in front of you. Skis or other sports equipment should be in protective carrying bags.
Keep your head and hands inside the bus at all times. ...and Rules of the Road
Please don�t engage in idle conversation with the driver, as this can distract from safe driving practices and inconvenience other passengers.
Smoking on buses and light rail trains is prohibited.
Shirt and shoes are required.
Express and Regional bus passengers may bring food and drink onto the bus, as long as drinks are in a sealed cup with a small opening in the lid.
Radios/boomboxes may be played only if headphones or ear pieces are used and the volume is not offensive to other passengers.
Babies are welcome if held on your lap. Keep strollers folded up and out of the way of other passengers. Hold small children securely during your trip.
Guide, signal and service dogs are allow to ride for free with passengers who have visual, hearing or mobility impairments. All other animals are allowed only if they are kept in a cage or container.
No weapons, firearms, or dangerous or flammable materials are allowed.
No littering.
No panhandling, begging, sales or soliciting for donations on buses or light rail trains.
No vandalism, graffiti or etching on windows. These are considered crimes and are punishable by a fine or jail sentence.
Be kind to other passengers and your bus driver. Speaking on cell phones disturbs those around you and may distract the bus driver.
Bailey Guns
01-11-2011, 20:59
This is a quote from RTD spokesman, Scott Reed, in a 9News story found here (http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149104&catid=339):
"It is a felony to carry weapons aboard public transportation, unless the passenger is a law enforcement officer or has a valid concealed carry permit," Reed said.
I carry whenever I ride the light rail.
I want to say this was a mayor Prickinpooper deal but I could be wrong.
No, I believe that may go all they way back to Webb(ster) When He believed that it would "curb" gang bangers..
gnihcraes
01-11-2011, 21:00
I can't find anything else on their website related to weapons. There are no screening devices at all entrances to their facilities, buses or lightrail.
Yea I told the wife to just keep it concealed and if the situation aries then we will deal with the reprocussions (sry I slaughtered that one). Man I couldn't imgaine rolling the colfax bus not carrying.
hurley842002
01-11-2011, 21:12
Man I couldn't imgaine rolling the colfax bus not carrying.
Yeah, you would not catch me unarmed anywhere along Colfax.
Geology Rocks
01-11-2011, 21:22
This is a quote from RTD spokesman, Scott Reed, in a 9News story found here (http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149104&catid=339):
"It is a felony to carry weapons aboard public transportation, unless the passenger is a law enforcement officer or has a valid concealed carry permit," Reed said.
I carry whenever I ride the light rail.
this....same here.
joe
Half Live
01-11-2011, 21:49
You can carry a gun on public transportation just not loaded unless you have a CCW
18-9-118. Firearms, explosives, or incendiary devices in facilities of public transportation.
A person commits a class 6 felony if, without legal authority, he has any loaded firearm or explosive or incendiary device, as defined in section 9-7-103, C.R.S., in his possession in, or carries, brings, or causes to be carried or brought any of such items into, any facility of public transportation, as defined in section 18-9-115 (4).
9-7-103. Definitions.
As used in this article, unless the context otherwise requires:
(1) Repealed.
(1.5) "Department" means the department of labor and employment.
(2) "Division" means the division of oil and public safety in the department of labor and employment.
(3) "Explosive" or "explosive device" means any material or container containing a chemical compound or mixture that is commonly used or intended for the purpose of producing an explosion and that contains any oxidizing and combustible materials or other ingredients in such proportions, quantities, or packing that an ignition by fire, by friction, by concussion, or by detonation of any part of the compound or mixture may cause such a sudden generation of highly heated gases that the resultant gaseous pressures are capable of producing destructive effects on contiguous objects, but shall not mean the components for handloading rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition and/or rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition.
(4) "Incendiary device" means any flammable material or container containing a flammable liquid or material whose ignition by fire, friction, concussion, detonation, or other method produces destructive effects primarily through combustion rather than explosion.
(5) "Molotov cocktail" means a breakable container containing an explosive or flammable liquid or other substance, having a wick or similar device capable of being ignited, and may be described as either an explosive or incendiary device. A molotov cocktail is not intended to mean a device commercially manufactured primarily for the purpose of illumination or other such uses.
18-9-115. Endangering public transportation.
(1) A person commits endangering public transportation if such person:
(a) Tampers with a facility of public transportation with intent to cause any damage, malfunction, or nonfunction which would result in the creation of a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury to anyone; or
(b) Stops or boards a public conveyance with the intent of committing a crime thereon; or
(c) On a public conveyance, knowingly threatens any operator, crew member, attendant, or passenger:
(I) With death or imminent serious bodily injury; or
(II) With a deadly weapon or with words or actions intended to induce belief that such person is armed with a deadly weapon; or
(d) On a public conveyance:
(I) Knowingly or recklessly causes bodily injury to another person; or
(II) With criminal negligence causes bodily injury to another person by means of a deadly weapon.
(2) "Public" means offered or available to the public generally, either free or upon payment of a fare, fee, rate, or tariff, or offered or made available by a school or school district to pupils regularly enrolled in public or nonpublic schools in preschool through grade twelve.
(3) "Public conveyance" includes a train, airplane, bus, truck, car, boat, tramway, gondola, lift, elevator, escalator, or other device intended, designed, adapted, and used for the public carriage of persons or property.
(4) "Facility of public transportation" includes a public conveyance and any area, structure, or device which is designed, adapted, and used to support, guide, control, permit, or facilitate the movement, starting, stopping, takeoff, landing, or servicing of a public conveyance or the loading or unloading of passengers or goods.
(5) Endangering public transportation is a class 3 felony.
Where is the part saying it is okay if you have a CCW?
KevDen2005
01-12-2011, 03:19
Concealed is concealed...Just have a permit
Makes me feel good that gangs/criminals can't take weapons on public transportation.
Makes me feel good that gangs/criminals can't take weapons on public transportation.
Winner! [ROFL1]
Where is the part saying it is okay if you have a CCW?
I see this under 9-7-103. Definitions section 3: "but shall not mean the components for handloading rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition and/or rifle, pistol, and shotgun ammunition."
And this part " A person commits a class 6 felony if, without legal authority, he has any loaded firearm" a CCW is legal authority, correct?
I dont see anything in statue 8-12-105.5 Unlawfully Carrying A Concealed Weapon - Unlawful Possession Of Weapons - that says its not allowed on public transportation. I am starting to think its just a policy they want to make people think it is illegal when its not. Maybe denver has a law against it that I am not seeing.
under 18-12-214 does not restrict this as well. i think its a local denver or county thing.
I glanced over the "without legal authority" part, thanks. The components part sounds like you can go buy a press and all your reloading supplies and ride the bus home.
I searched on the ciry of Denver site http://www.denvergov.org/CityGovernment/BillsLawsandMunicipalCode/tabid/435564/Default.aspx
to look up laws and for me it was a mess and I cant find any satisfactory answer, stay out of Denver as much as possible is my advise.
ldmaster
01-12-2011, 15:06
and carry. With a permit the law doesn't apply to you on public transportation. RTD posted the signs as a reiteration of state law, that it is a SPECIFIC crime to carry aboard public transportation - sorta makes people feel safe and fuzzy/warm.
The only places that can ban it are PRIVATE property owners and/or fixed buildings that have a screening process/metal detector that is staffed.
RTD is not a private entity. Costco can (and does) prohibit concealed carry, for instance.
I hope she carries a taser too, I'd hate to think how hard a sight picture would get on a moving bus! I'd also suggest finding an old IIa front vest panel to sew into the interior of whatever bag she is carrying. They're pretty lightweight and offer good protection at need.
There was discussion about this back when CCW became "shall issue" and the position of RTD was then, and is now, that a lawful permit carrier can ride armed. Is there a specific statement allowing it? No, they think if they dont post about it, then they cant be sued for it.
I like the idea of sewing a vest into a brief case. I should tear out the pad on my laptop case and replace it with vest parts!
I parked in a RTD garage today and there's a sign (I wish I took a picture)
it says that by entering, you agree to be subject to a vehicle search
blah, blah, blah.
No ILLEGAL weapons- assuming that your wife has a carry permit (or in theory is open carrying) she is not illegal so it's not an issue
Tell her to start carrying a brief case...
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/4896036268_de3fd5f59f.jpg
Half Live
01-12-2011, 16:25
If you read the law, its says you can't carry a loaded firearm. It say nothing about carrying an unloaded firearm. :) Just keep a loaded mag with you :)
gnihcraes
01-12-2011, 21:04
Ok, I checked at work, and this is the answer I received:
It is allowed publicly, unless posted.
My return answer was, it's posted on the bus, no weapons and received this answer back:But frankly, think about it – if you don’t have to use it, no problem. If you DO have to use it, they would likely be grateful that you did. I’m just saying.
So, take that how you may. :)
I'll present the legal garbage to this same person and see what comes of it and let you know.
Out of sight, out of mind.
I'm confused... I was under the impression that carrying a weapon was mandatory on RTD, and if you did not have one, they would issue one for the duration of your ride...
"Please be careful of the step down, place any loaner weapons in the bin, and have a nice day...."
gnihcraes
01-13-2011, 10:15
Update: Based on the legal:
18-9-118. Firearms, explosives, or incendiary devices in facilities of public transportation.
A person commits a class 6 felony if, without legal authority, he has any loaded firearm or explosive or incendiary device, as defined in section 9-7-103, C.R.S., in his possession in, or carries, brings, or causes to be carried or brought any of such items into, any facility of public transportation, as defined in section 18-9-115 (4).
It is allowed with permit.
(i'm no lawyer though)
Has anyone or does anyone know anyone with a CCW who has been cited for carrying on RTD?
Past performance is not always an indicator of the future, however, if it hasn't happened before, it isn't likely that it is on RTD's radar.
Anyone have any regular contact with RTD security? I have spoken with them occasionally. Next time I talk with them I will ask the question. No idea when that will happen.
Tell her to start carrying a brief case...
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h403/asrspyder/4896036268_de3fd5f59f.jpg
I WANT!!!!!!! But I dont think FPS would like me toting that into the fed center.
I think it is great, trying to talk my wife into letting me have one.
Screw the briefcase, I just want that gun. It's on my fantasy list, lol.
Screw the briefcase, I just want that gun. It's on my fantasy list, lol.
Sell you one of mine for the right price. Eh? [Coffee]
Not me.
It looks to have a "HI" capacity mag, and you know that is just wrong...
Sell you one of mine for the right price. Eh? [Coffee]
lol, couldn't afford man. Not even for tree fiddy!! [Swim]
Not me.
It looks to have a "HI" capacity mag, and you know that is just wrong...
Wrong it is... Forget 30, lookin at gettin one of the 100 rounder drums... Wonder what they would say about that...
Hmmm.... is there a separate compartment for the ejected brass? gotta think that might cause reliability issues if there isn't, as a case might be deflected back into the ejection port. I'll haveta look at their website....
There isn't, it just hits the side and goes where ever. I would figure though if there was a problem with it, they would have done something about it. The HK guys don't leave stones unturned.
This is a quote from RTD spokesman, Scott Reed, in a 9News story found here (http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=149104&catid=339):
"It is a felony to carry weapons aboard public transportation, unless the passenger is a law enforcement officer or has a valid concealed carry permit," Reed said.
I carry whenever I ride the light rail.
I agree with Bailey Arms. One of the local parks (think it's Chatfield Res.) says the same thing at the park entrance and on their website. I called the park and they told me they thought I could carry with a permit. They put me in touch with State police who verified that you are fine with a permit. It's intended for those without permits.
patrick0685
01-14-2011, 21:30
thanks!
OneGuy67
01-14-2011, 23:49
I agree with Bailey Arms. One of the local parks (think it's Chatfield Res.) says the same thing at the park entrance and on their website. I called the park and they told me they thought I could carry with a permit. They put me in touch with State police who verified that you are fine with a permit. It's intended for those without permits.
Not to get picky, but....we don't have a state police....Park rangers? CSP (how would they know about state park statutes?)?
I'm confused... I was under the impression that carrying a weapon was mandatory on RTD, and if you did not have one, they would issue one for the duration of your ride...
"Please be careful of the step down, place any loaner weapons in the bin, and have a nice day...."
LMAO Just for the Hofax bus...Even then though they are just cheap saturday night specials.
Not to get picky, but....we don't have a state police....Park rangers? CSP (how would they know about state park statutes?)?
They provided me with the number to call and the CSP provided the answer as if they knew. I have no reason to doubt them. Good enuf for me to carry concealed.
OneGuy67
01-17-2011, 15:08
They provided me with the number to call and the CSP provided the answer as if they knew. I have no reason to doubt them. Good enuf for me to carry concealed.
Interesting....
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