New show on Discovery! "SONS Of GUNS" saw a commercial

[coop68]

looks like a new show about building guns could be interesting i didn't find to much online but they start jan, wed the 26th.


http://press.discovery.com/us/dsc/programs/sons-guns/

http://www.redjacketfirearms.com/

[spyder]

Ya, I saw the ads also. I hope it turns out good.

[opie011]

I meant to mention this a while ago. Looks like it will be cool. I've got it setup on my DVR!!

[spyder]

I still like Future weapons with Mac. They should put them back to back in time slots.

[RYAN50BMG]

Meh. I don't care about what they can build, I know a guy that will put your Stuart light tank back together and make ammo for it. What do they make that I can buy?

[micah360]

Nice! I've had three different builds by Will at Red Jacket. I still have one sitting in my safe. I guess I won't be selling that one!

[sniper7]

I am really excited for this one.

[UZI]

[theGinsue]

Could be an interesting show. I'll havfe to try to remember when it's on so I don't keep missing it like I do every other show I'm interested in.

[Troublco]

I'll be setting this one up on the DVR....

[theGinsue]

You guys with your fancy - new fangled toys.

[jim02]

I hope it turns out to be cool. Im looking forward to it.

[patrick0685]

makes me wish i could build cool toys like that

[spyder]

makes me wish i could build cool toys like that

I'll get you a set of lego's for you birthday if you want.

[twitchyfinger]

Could be an interesting show. I'll havfe to try to remember when it's on so I don't keep missing it like I do every other show I'm interested in.


Bump reminder the show premiers tomorrow night 7:00pm set your DVR's if interested.

[patrick0685]

I'll get you a set of lego's for you birthday if you want.

Hell yes, June 30 it better be here

[Zundfolge]

Cool!

I'll have to keep an eye out for torrents tomorrow :D

[CareyH]

Show starts in 8mins!

[micah360]

4 minutes...

[spyder]

That was just not what I thought it was going to be...

[coop68]

yeah was interesting none the less. was only two episodes so we will see! I'm surprised they just go out and Fire Flares out of a M203 replica I'm guessing 37mm? right out side there shop i would expect there to be complaining, but maybe not!

[jackedco]

Should take some of the $24000 and get his daughters tooth fixed.

[spyder]

Should take some of the $24000 and get his daughters tooth fixed.
It might have been that there were camera's around, but she was irritating as hell. Her princess attitude followed with drama queen BS was just too much.

[TEAMRICO]

I think everyone will want an S-12!!!
Im gonna go get another one and chop it up and mount to my current S-12 and make a Master Key/Master Master Master Key!!![ROFL1]

Yeah that broad is annoying, ever see the daughter on Hardcore Pawn??
Some poor sap is married to that!
Now her I would punch in the face!!

[kidicarus13]

Should take some of the $24000 and get his daughters tooth fixed.

I hate to be shallow but I noticed that TOOF right after she shot the flare outside [Tooth]

I don't think I'll be watching it again unless nothing else is on. The daughter's Princess attitude + the owner's witty southern oneliners = a little too annoying for me.

[Mtn.man]

Looks like another scripted show for the ratings.

[Irving]

Retard level drama on a reality show? Say it ain't so!

[BPTactical]

Looks like another scripted show for the ratings.

Yup. But at least there is no Jr vs Sr BS.
Now to the subject matter-I would have liked to see more of the fabrication side of things but that's just me. I didn't see any really uber innovative ideas and although I am no suppressor expert without baffles all you create is an echo chamber. DUH.
And who is the assclown that can't figure out if the problem on the mill is the motor or phase converter? 5 minutes with a multi-meter and there is the answer. DUH.

It gets a 7 for being firearm related but loses points for the skanky daughter and not overly imaginative.


Meh....

[sniper7]

i missed it. damn you work!

[spyder]

i missed it. damn you work!
No, trust us, you didn't miss anything. I would have rather gotten paid for that hour of my life doin work... [ROFL1]

[twitchyfinger]

Looks like another scripted show for the ratings.

No kidding what a let down. Just some more reality T.V. drama. I thought it was going to be more along the technical lines of the show future weapons and that type of production, oh well.

[patrick0685]

ya, i can think of a much better can for a shotgun, but what do i know i dont have my own tv show

[Jer]

Wow, this show turbo sucks. I DVR'd both episodes and less than half way through the first one I had to see if there was a thread where I could complain. As far as watching a show because I like the subject matter Top Gear America is looking like a pretty quality show in comparison.

'DahdeEE!?!'

Anyone see them serialize that 'suppressor' then register it w/the ATF then have the buyer also apply for the tax stamp for it and wait the proper time to receive it as to not violate any NFA laws? Yeah, me neither.

[Jer]

I still like Future weapons with Mac. They should put them back to back in time slots.

I met Mac at SHOT show last week. I think I can take him. Lol

[2008f450]

Wow, this show turbo sucks. I DVR'd both episodes and less than half way through the first one I had to see if there was a thread where I could complain. As far as watching a show because I like the subject matter Top Gear America is looking like a pretty quality show in comparison.

'DahdeEE!?!'

Anyone see them serialize that 'suppressor' then register it w/the ATF then have the buyer also apply for the tax stamp for it and wait the proper time to receive it as to not violate any NFA laws? Yeah, me neither.


He did say something about an hours worth of paperwork but i didnt see anyone putting serial numbers on it. Overall im not that impressed by the show.

[Irving]

I like how you guys are going on and on about how much this show sucks, and the remedy would be more air time watching someone fill out paper work.

I know what everyone is saying, but it's just funny. Just wait till they come out with a reality show about auditing commercial taxes. That'll get your heart racing!

[patrick0685]

Just wait till they come out with a reality show about auditing commercial taxes. That'll get your heart racing!

Dont tease me, one can only hope this will be out soon...best of all it will be on NBC for sure [ROFL1]

[Irving]

Dude, in season two, I hear some guy tries to get an energy tax credit by filing his sail boat as a hybrid. Then another guy tries to reduce his property tax burden by claiming that the northern most 40 acre plot of his land is his neighbor's. Then when the neighbor denies ownership, the gov. swoops in and claims the land as theirs and the guy loses out on 40 acres of land over only a couple grand a year! This show is crazy.

[patrick0685]

Dude, in season two, I hear some guy tries to get an energy tax credit by filing his sail boat as a hybrid. Then another guy tries to reduce his property tax burden by claiming that the northern most 40 acre plot of his land is his neighbor's. Then when the neighbor denies ownership, the gov. swoops in and claims the land as theirs and the guy loses out on 40 acres of land over only a couple grand a year! This show is crazy.

damn it [Bang] how have i been missing out? hopefully it will be on netflix here soon so i can catch up.

[micah360]

I liked it... but I love AKs. And, having an AK that Will just worked on about 6 months ago makes me even more bias I guess.

He's a fellow firearms lover who's getting a huge break doing something he loves. I think it's awesome... more power too him.

[Troublco]

You guys with your fancy - new fangled toys.

One of the side effects of cheap, Ginsue...[ROFL1]

[Zundfolge]

Seems to me this guy may be single-handedly responsible for the shortage of Saiga 12 shotguns.

[micah360]

yeah... I like when they effed up the barrel on the S12 and then just pulled a new one out and started ripping that one apart. Kinda made me want to cry.

[StagLefty]

Well I guess after reading these posts I didn't miss a damn thing !! [Beer]

[newracer]

Maybe I will just delete my recoding and not even watch it.

[Zundfolge]

I don't know what some of you guys were expecting this to be ... its no worse than American Choppers (especially in the early days) or any of the other dozen reality shows built around "a shop that builds stuff and the wacky folk that do the building".

[Mtn.man]

well at least on MANSWERS you can learn something,,, LOL

[jim02]

I checked out their website a few weeks back and noticed they are big into the commie guns (red star). I was less then impressed with the website.
The show was a let down but I will watch again, i hope it picks up and this was not the best they had.
I dont want to see anyone waiting for paper work and legal checks, and i dont need to see them stamp in a serial # or each little stupid step.

Giving it another few episodes before i count it out. Lucky i got plenty to do with the kids so this show makes great watching for a show u cant devote full attention to, since you wont miss anything good.

[Mtn.man]

Where were the Sons?

[jim02]

Where were the Sons?

If this is what your asking for http://redjacketfirearms.com/ in Baton Rouge, LA

[Jer]

My questions were rhetorical questions and while I do NOT expect wasted airtime for serializing and filing out paperwork I DO expect a FFL to abide by the federal laws he's required to obey. To just decide on a whim to manufacture a suppressor for sale and sell it permanently attached as a single unit shotgun and have the guy walk out of th shop w/it the next violates more NFA laws than I care to list. I'm not even bitching about the perpetuation of horrible stereotypes here I'm only asking that they not make it seem like anyone can build/buy these devices at any moment. The anti-2A people who already don't know the process will watch this and become enraged about the ease of creating/buying a 'silencer' which only allows people to secretly murder innocent people (we all know from Hollywood movies that that's all they're good for after all) & demand that it be more difficult and become even more anti-2A. If it sounds like I'm reaching then you haven't listened to the arguments of these types of people lately because nothing they think/say is based in reality.

I don't think it's much of a reach to say this shop is violating several federal firearm laws on a regular basis based on what I've seen so far. No shop who understands and obeys these laws has a customer walk in & says he can buy his suppressed shotgun tomorrow allowing 24hrs for the manufacturing of said device. If you're defending them for this then it's likely you don't either.

Is it too much to ask for a little reality in my reality TV?

[BlasterBob]

A big ole thumbs down on this show. Usually new shows will have a really good, accurate and interesting one as their pilot and then they can kinda go down hill from there on. This one started out crappy and that goofy daughter sure as hell did nothing to help the quality of the new show. It's a looser in my worth nothing opinion and I won't waste my valuable time watching future episodes unless there is a drastic change.

[Mtn.man]

the tooth

http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/data/thumbnails/2/HPIM02062.jpg (http://www.grimmemennesker.dk/ugly-people-472.htm)

[jim02]

Jer,
I hear what your saying and its a good point that we could all agree on, appearance of process and laws and all that.

All that process and paperwork goes away in the editing by the producers, I dont think its possible to educate the public on laws and process and not make a bad show worse.
Nothing anyone can say anyway will make the anti gun nuts any less anti gun. We all have to stop dreaming that they are rational and can be talked to, they hate the American Constitution for what it is and thats the way it is.

Maybe next week the swat team he sold weapons to will be back with the ATF to use the master key on his door.
If he's breaking laws the ATF was watching last night also and his dog will be killed soon, so dont worry.
I'll presume hes innocent until proven guilty.

[spyder]

I don't know what some of you guys were expecting this to be ... its no worse than American Choppers (especially in the early days) or any of the other dozen reality shows built around "a shop that builds stuff and the wacky folk that do the building".
I think it is quite a bit worse than American Choppers mainly because on AC they custom build everything. They are not putting two bikes together to make one new bike. They are making the thing from the ground up. The closest thing to that, that the other guy did was the custom suppressor which just sucked. I don't like AC either, just saying at least they do actual custom work, not cut and paste.

[BPTactical]

I think it is quite a bit worse than American Choppers mainly because on AC they custom build everything. They are not putting two bikes together to make one new bike. They are making the thing from the ground up. The closest thing to that, that the other guy did was the custom suppressor which just sucked. I don't like AC either, just saying at least they do actual custom work, not cut and paste.

Gonna call Bullsh:t on OCC being builders. They are bike assemblers, not builders. A little artsy fartsy sheetmetal work and accessories building does not make a builder. I have built a couple of bikes from frame up so I am familiar with what it takes to build a sled. I have seen some of their work close up in person and I am not impressed.
Indian Larry, Jesse James, Arlen Ness, Billy Lane and the like- now those are builders. They take a pile of metal and fabricate a sled starting with the frame.
Jr and Sr take parts out of boxes and bolt them together and call it a custom build. The only one out of the whole OCC crew that had a builders vision was Rick.


Back on topic- I will agree that I think not explaining the Class III process or at least illustrating the fact that the guy that bought the suppressed Saiga has to go through the NFA process before he can possess said firearm is a huge disservice.
The Civil War Confederate cannon was cool though.

[Mtn.man]

Gonna call Bullsh:t on OCC being builders. They are bike assemblers, not builders. A little artsy fartsy sheetmetal work and accessories building does not make a builder. I have built a couple of bikes from frame up so I am familiar with what it takes to build a sled. I have seen some of their work close up in person and I am not impressed.
Indian Larry, Jesse James, Arlen Ness, Billy Lane and the like- now those are builders. They take a pile of metal and fabricate a sled starting with the frame.
Jr and Sr take parts out of boxes and bolt them together and call it a custom build. The only one out of the whole OCC crew that had a builders vision was Rick.


Back on topic- I will agree that I think not explaining the Class III process or at least illustrating the fact that the guy that bought the suppressed Saiga has to go through the NFA process before he can possess said firearm is a huge disservice.
The Civil War Confederate cannon was cool though.

Yes on OCC and
Yes on the SOG's

[RYAN50BMG]

Yep, fail all over the place. You paid 1500$ for a Cobray flair launcher (ok, you got the AR with it) Dern, I'll sell you mine. I liked the fat-ass SWAT team, complete with Bushy Carbon-15 pistol/SBR/whatever. 3000$ for a cut down Sagia "masterkey". You can get a real KAC Masterkey for around 1800-2000$. Also, most specialty shotgun rounds like shocklock, rubber buckshot,taser, ect. won't cycle a semi gun, so why have that heavy ass thing. I could go on...............

[kidicarus13]

I don't think it's much of a reach to say this shop is violating several federal firearm laws on a regular basis based on what I've seen so far. No shop who understands and obeys these laws has a customer walk in & says he can buy his suppressed shotgun tomorrow allowing 24hrs for the manufacturing of said device. If you're defending them for this then it's likely you don't either.

Come on, there weren't any NFA laws broken. It's a freakin' "reality" TV show and all they care about are ratings. Those transactions have been planned for weeks/months.

[Zundfolge]

I don't think it's much of a reach to say this shop is violating several federal firearm laws on a regular basis based on what I've seen so far. No shop who understands and obeys these laws has a customer walk in & says he can buy his suppressed shotgun tomorrow allowing 24hrs for the manufacturing of said device. If you're defending them for this then it's likely you don't either.

You never actually see the customer leave with the suppressed Saiga. In fact when the shop owner says "Now we have a couple hours of paperwork to do" the shotgun is in HIS hand.

I challenge you to find one single violation of federal firearms law ... I guarantee you if there is one on the show you'll read about how the ATF raided the guy's shop long before the episode airs.

[coop68]

from how they talked and presented themselves it seemed scripted almost like they new what to say at certain points and or told to say something. i would agree it would be nice for them to explain to the public how one obtains a NFA item in a short version! only two episodes down ill watch a few more just to see where they go.

i will agree with BP the cannon was Cool!

[Gunner]

I like it it had guns now lets enjoy it

[MattR]

I watched the show and all-in-all not the worst thing I've ever seen. But the way they portray the ease of making and distributing weapons that the general public thinks are illegal, especially with the Giffords shooting so recently, is incredibly poor judgement on their part. This show will be used for the liberal anti-gun campaign coming up, you watch and see.

[newracer]

I watched both episodes and agree it was pretty lame and does not portray gun owners in a very good light. I will watch again but only because it is so easy to DVR and watch it when I have time.

[newracer]

Tonights episodes were much better, that's not saying much though. At least they mentioned it takes about 4 months to purchase an NFA item.

[nathan0259]

Did anyone else notice that for gunsmiths/gun store owners they where not very good shots?

[sniper7]

I liked the episode tonight.

although it seemed waaay to easy to buy a SBR and silencer and everything else.
not a lot of info on how it is accomplished...although, maybe that is the point. that is the way it should be. there is no reason I shouldn't be able to drive to a ffl and buy a machine gun that day or a silencer that day.

[patrick0685]

ya but did you like 1750 dropped to 1500 for a short barreled suppressed 10-22. Seems a bit steep to me. If the tax stamps were included, which i doubt because thats no profit for them and she was all about getting to 25000, it wouldnt be as bad.

[patrick0685]

Did anyone else notice that for gunsmiths/gun store owners they where not very good shots?

i said the same thing to my wife

[coop68]

From watching the 4th episode currently on they finally covered the NFA law with a guy wanting to buy a SBS to use the next day which the daughter explained briefly that it takes 3-4 months. A little late should of been in the first episode, but at least they covered it. still is kind of over the top show or dramatic, but better than most of the stuff they put on these days!

coop


edit
ok i was ten minutes late about posting this but oh well i agree about the shooting!

[sniper7]

Did anyone else notice that for gunsmiths/gun store owners they where not very good shots?

Poor accuracy but one guy had horrendous trigger finder control. Practically yanked his finger off the trigger instead of letting it reset

[BPTactical]

I watched both last night and I will agree-it was good to see Snaggletooth explain to the guy a bit of the NFA process and time involved. In retrospect I wonder how many of the guys we saw in the first couple episodes where it appeared they "cash and carried" NFA were dealers? I mean who else would buy 3 suppressed Saigas on the spot.
I did think it was pretty cool to watch the WWII vet strap up the flamethrower. At 89 you could tell he knew how to use it and I got a kick at how giddy he was after lighting her up.

[Byte Stryke]

I did think it was pretty cool to watch the WWII vet strap up the flamethrower. At 89 you could tell he knew how to use it and I got a kick at how giddy he was after lighting her up.

Watching that Hero get to play with that Flamethrower was absolutely AWESOME

Just seeing a living MOH Recipient made my heart well up.
The Old Guy was pretty generous on that trigger and still had some moves in him.
I think it was great that they did that for him regardless of whatever selfish reasoning they might have had.

[2008f450]

I will admit that I wasnt too impressed by the first 2 shows. But last night to see a MOH receipient get to use the same type of tool that earned him the medal was absolutely too cool. I give credit to the guy for not charging to make it work again. My 4 year old asked me what it was so I did a quick explanation. But when he asked about the Marines medal I told him that he got that for being a very brave man. That he did things to help his fellow fighting men stay safe. I like it when I get a chance to show my boy what real heros are/ not the crap thats shown on the tv.

I also liked the second show last night. what can I say .50 M2. [M2]

[jim02]

so everyone is happy now, u seen a guy turned away and some rules explained.
now were going to complain that they were trying to make a profit, come on guys.

how about someting cool they did, how many guns stores you been in where they offered to let you shoot a weapon you may or may not buy, its been 0 for me and i have been in more shops then i can remember in several diffrent states i have lived in. not one ever offered, best i have experienced was getting to shoot my own gun in their range while i waited for the waiting period to expire.

Its not fantastic but we got a show to watch each week thats about guns and the flame thower was kick ass.[Flame]

[BPTactical]

Hershel W Williams
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hershel_W._Williams

[Irving]

there is no reason I shouldn't be able to drive to a ffl and buy a machine gun that day or a silencer that day.

You can totally do that. You just can't take it home. :p