View Full Version : Weld sheriff suspends gun permit of Greeley school member broadcasting anti-MLK message
ghettodub
01-14-2011, 16:14
Snippet from the story:
A Greeley radio station owner who has been broadcasting an anti-Martin Luther King Jr. message was served with a temporary restraining order and lost his permit to carry a concealed weapon Thursday after he allegedly threatened a business rival.
Reese, a member of the Greeley-Evans 6 school board, has for three years aired a recording of a letter that calls Martin Luther King Jr. a sexual degenerate, an anti-American communist and an embezzler. He plays the recording in advance of the MLK holiday.
story made me giggle a little
Weld sheriff suspends gun permit of Greeley school member broadcasting anti-MLK message
(http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17091721?utm_medium=facebook)
Zundfolge
01-14-2011, 16:18
This is why we need national Vermont/Alaska/Arizona style carry.
Suspending a license for political speech? Frankly the Sheriff should be removed from duty over this.
ghettodub
01-14-2011, 16:20
From my understanding though in the article is that it was suspended for threatening someone, not his political idiot message
I think he made some threats about having a shoot out, so the person put a restraining order on him.
[PoPo]
Byte Stryke
01-14-2011, 16:24
Snippet from the story:
story made me giggle a little
Weld sheriff suspends gun permit of Greeley school member broadcasting anti-MLK message
(http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17091721?utm_medium=facebook)
I really have tried to care about this story.
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I wonder how long he has had the CCW permit. If more than two years, and the threat was imminent enough to revoke the permit, then why this year and not last year or the year before.
Questions for the permit holders and those who may know. Once the permit is issued, is there any "Due process" required to revoke a permit? How long can it be suspended without a hearing (Due process)?
If the recording played on the air (presumably protected speech) is the only reason the permit was revoked, this would be an interesting test case.
That said, if the recording played on the air was so egregious, the agency to deal with it would be the FCC.
ghettodub
01-14-2011, 16:28
I really have tried to care about this story.
http://www.bsdgames.com/Tex/Web/giveadamn.gif
Oh, i'm with you, I think it's stupid. And i think that guy is a moron with his anti-MLK rants, so it makes me laugh...
love that ani-gif
Sounds like the sheriff suspended his permit after the restraining order was issued, in accordance with the current law. As soon as the RO is lifted, he should get his permit back without having to reapply. As far as his "message" concerning MLK, I could give a barbecued rat's ass.....
Suspending a license for political speech? Frankly the Sheriff should be removed from duty over this.
I agree, to say the least.
hurley842002
01-14-2011, 16:33
This is why we need national Vermont/Alaska/Arizona style carry.
Suspending a license for political speech? Frankly the Sheriff should be removed from duty over this.
Considering Sheriff Cooke is probably one of the most pro 2A sheriff's in the state, it would be a shame to lose him.
I will however agree with you on the Vermont/Alaska/Arizona style carry.
You've never heard the term "shootout" used for any other setting besides violence with a firearm? I sure have.
Byte Stryke
01-14-2011, 16:45
You've never heard the term "shootout" used for any other setting besides violence with a firearm? I sure have.
problem is that Mr sensationalist has communicated a threat, and there is evidence of such. If the Sheriff Didn't revoke it and there had been a shooting, the sheriff would be in dereliction and thus liable.
hurley842002
01-14-2011, 16:46
problem is that Mr sensationalist has communicated a threat, and there is evidence of such. If the Sheriff Didn't revoke it and there had been a shooting, the sheriff would be in dereliction and thus liable.
^^^ this, couldn't have said it better myself.
Jumpstart
01-14-2011, 16:48
This is why we need national Vermont/Alaska/Arizona style carry.
Suspending a license for political speech? Frankly the Sheriff should be removed from duty over this.
I concur.
I suprised no one has changed the subject in this thread yet. Damnit, now I can't remember, who has the avatar of the texas A&M girl in a bikini bottom kneeling down in the water? Didn't he make that picture bigger?
Byte Stryke
01-14-2011, 17:00
I concur.
OK, I will go along with you guys on this.
HOWEVER
in as much as Mr Reese has threatened deadly force, I believe he should be locked up and sentenced for attempted murder in the 1st.
IF
Mr Sasso had Shot The jackass dead in the street would the Threatening message have been justifiable defense?
Let's pretend we are all adults, in a tense situation you do not mention shootouts or guns or firing on someone in any way shape or form.
this isn't about a political message, this is about a sensationalist trying to up himself and pull pity in the name of political persecution when in fact he is guilty of immaturity and communicating a threat.
Call me on the phone and threaten me?
Next time I See you it's 2 center-Mass, no questions.
"I Swear officer, he reached in his coat for something. He had recently threatened to shoot me."
This isn't a fucking game.
problem is that Mr sensationalist has communicated a threat, and there is evidence of such. If the Sheriff Didn't revoke it and there had been a shooting, the sheriff would be in dereliction and thus liable.
great, so we've gone from "protecting and serving" to "avoiding liability issues"
The sheriff would not have been liable. The Supreme Court of the United States has said so.
Besides, when was the last time you heard of a CHP holder making threats and attacking someone with their firearm?
I'd like to hear the specific threat. If he explicitly threatened violence or bodily harm, that's one thing.
Right now I'm inclined to believe that the "victim" heard the word shoot and immediatley went running to restraining orders Я us while dialing the sheriff.
Now I could be wrong, but I'm giving the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Y'know, that pesky "innocent until proven guilty" thing and all.
Zundfolge
01-14-2011, 17:11
Apparently you didn't read the article...
No I didn't ... it wasn't linked* and only a couple of clips posted.
*Actually it may have been linked but I have a site blocking extension (http://righthavenvictims.blogspot.com/p/block-stephens-media-sites.html) running to block ALL Righthaven (http://www.righthavenlawsuits.com/) related web sites as I don't want to get sued for quoting one (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jan/12/righthaven-extends-copyright-lawsuit-campaign-indi/) (nor do I want to contribute to any of them getting any traffic ... they should all go out of business).
Byte Stryke
01-14-2011, 17:25
well call me crazy, but I am pretty sure there had to be some validity to the threat that was RECORDED on Sasso's voice mail for the sheriff to go yank a CHP.
I would like to think the sheriff wouldn't do that had the threat been "political Shootout" or "Media Shootout."
I honestly believe a threat was made and we will have to wait and see.
but I know that the whole MLK Thing has been a controversial media stunt from the word go. I Suspect that this is only more of the same except that in this case its backfired.
anyone else notice that DP Titled it:
"Weld sheriff suspends gun permit of Greeley school member broadcasting anti-MLK message"
Instead of
"Weld sheriff suspends gun permit of Greeley school member Threatening Competitor."
Left handed spin sucking people in again.
[LOL]
byte has highlighted the real reason the guy is being persecuted.
I get the restraining order part of this. It is standard practice with all restraining orders to prohibit the possession of any firearms while the order is active. There are hearings and time frames for the orders, so there is due process. PITA but it is all a balancing act between fairness and safety.
I am still curious as to Colorado's law on the CHP. Does anyone know, once the permit is issued, is there any "Due process" required to revoke a permit? Other than the restraining order process, how long can a permit be suspended without a hearing, or is that dependent on the justification used to suspend it in the first place?
People really shouldn't threaten other people. It's not very nice [Stooge]
Byte Stryke
01-14-2011, 17:39
byte has highlighted the real reason the guy is being persecuted.
Holy Shit someone Listened
[Faint]
I get the restraining order part of this. It is standard practice with all restraining orders to prohibit the possession of any firearms while the order is active. There are hearings and time frames for the orders, so there is due process. PITA but it is all a balancing act between fairness and safety.
I am still curious as to Colorado's law on the CHP. Does anyone know, once the permit is issued, is there any "Due process" required to revoke a permit? Other than the restraining order process, how long can a permit be suspended without a hearing, or is that dependent on the justification used to suspend it in the first place?
People really shouldn't threaten other people. It's not very nice [Stooge]
Permits can be suspended or revoked for cause by the sheriff at any time, but there is an appeal process....
CRS 18-12-207 (http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpext.dll?f=FifLink&t=document-frame.htm&l=query&iid=115d17d4.210a391e.0.0&q=%5BGroup%20%2718-12-207%27%5D)
[Faint]<----- Oh shit, you killed Byte!
Byte Stryke
01-21-2011, 02:38
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20110120/NEWS/701209997/1007&parentprofile=1001
Great... they are hiding behind a "Gun Free zone..."
I am so glad I don't live in Greeley, they actually have Detailed police officers for their meetings.
Wonder what that twisted delusion costs?
http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20110120/NEWS/701209997/1007&parentprofile=1001
Great... they are hiding behind a "Gun Free zone..."
I am so glad I don't live in Greeley, they actually have Detailed police officers for their meetings.
Wonder what that twisted delusion costs?
It does seem a lot like the Taliban hiding out in schools, hospitals, and mosques among the civilians...
hollohas
01-21-2011, 11:49
Sounds like the sheriff suspended his permit after the restraining order was issued, in accordance with the current law.
^^^^ This.
ghettodub
01-21-2011, 11:59
anyone else notice that DP Titled it:
"Weld sheriff suspends gun permit of Greeley school member broadcasting anti-MLK message"
Instead of
"Weld sheriff suspends gun permit of Greeley school member Threatening Competitor."
Left handed spin sucking people in again.
[LOL]
[Beer]
Byte Stryke
01-21-2011, 12:00
Every time I hear "Gun Free Zone" + "School Board" + "Gun Control" I think of this story:
3DoL7j7fYHo
Ex-Con walks into a Gun Free zone with a 9mm and discharges rounds.
I would love to say that he shot at people, but that's a tad vague as the first round was haphazardly aimed and second round was clearly discharged into the floor.
My point is: Convict with gun in gun-free zone with police on premises = "Security Theater"
Gcompact30
01-21-2011, 12:11
The threat didn't get the permit taken the RESTRAINING ORDER DID :-)
Byte Stryke
01-21-2011, 12:16
The threat didn't get the permit taken the RESTRAINING ORDER DID :-)
You don't have to put the same thing in the title and the message blocks.
Unless you are starting a thread the title is not required.
Every time I hear "Gun Free Zone" + "School Board" + "Gun Control" I think of this story:
3DoL7j7fYHo
Ex-Con walks into a Gun Free zone with a 9mm and discharges rounds.
I would love to say that he shot at people, but that's a tad vague as the first round was haphazardly aimed and second round was clearly discharged into the floor.
My point is: Convict with gun in gun-free zone with police on premises = "Security Theater"
Just to review:
Convicted felon with a gun in his possession, already illegal
Assault with a deadly weapon, already illegal
Possession of a firearm while intoxicated, already illegal in most locales
Felony menacing, already illegal
So, exactly how do the antis imagine that a "Gun Free" sign is actually accomplishing anything?
Someone with proper training could have tripped this guy's circuit breaker...
As to the guy in Greeley, announcing to the world that you're going to be carrying smacks of a publicity stunt, as they say "there's no such thing as bad publicity". Death threats or no, if he was truly concerned about his safety at school board meetings, he'd have either declined to attend, or carried and kept his mouth shut. If someone is really intent on harming this flake, they now know to do it from a distance and by surprise. My guess is that by publicizing the death threats and making an issue out of his carrying, what he was trying to accomplish was attract attention to his radio station, as people would listen just to see what was so toxic in his message....
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