A Miracle?

[Scanker19]

So I'm the complete opposite of religious in every way, almost to the point to where I despise all religions.

I do find it almost a miracle how and how fast Congresswoman Giffords is recovering from a gunshot wound to the head.

Its amazing to me anyway.

[OgenRwot]

It seems like it's a miracle because there is a God and there are miracles and this is one of them.

[Byte Stryke]

pfft,
silly me, I thought it was because she was hit at an oblique angle, the rapid and professional reaction of the paramedics on scene and the advances in neural medical technology...

goes to show you what I know.

[Scanker19]

pfft,
silly me, I thought it was because she was hit at an oblique angle, the rapid and professional reaction of the paramedics on scene and the advances in neural medical technology...

goes to show you what I know.

True but just for all that stuff to fall in place is just, well neat. You could shoot someone in the head in the OR with six nuero-surgeons in the room, how many people do you think could survive. Whether you consider this a theological, or medical miracle, its still amazing.

Like the guy who was shot in the face in Iraq with a 9X18mm. I'll see if I can find the article.

[Marlin]

Meh,, It's happened before. Just the right angle and such.. I can't recall all the details but, sometime during the 40's or 50's, There was a case where some dude got shot, and it took out the little connecter between the right brain and the left brain. He ended up with steady employment as a subject in right/left brain studies.

[Scanker19]

http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/general-chit-chat-archive/44393-soldier-shot-mouth-point-blank.html

Is about as close as I can find. May be bullsheeat though.

I've heard of people trying to kill themselves, shoot them selves in the temple and miss the brain, severe their eye cords (that's a medical term) and live.

[bellavite1]

Remember the old joke "never trust somebody that bleeds for five days and doesn't die"?
NEVER TRUST SOMEBODY THAT GETS SHOT IN THE BRAIN AND DOES NOT DIE.[Tooth]

[bellavite1]

It seems like it's a miracle because there is a God and there are miracles and this is one of them.
I think the little girl that died would beg to differ...

[Scanker19]

you don't need most of your brain.

Most don't use it either. Case and point, 10mins ago my 2 year old was playing with an attachment to my vacuum. She brings it to me and we go to put it back on. I'm trying to jam it in the round spot, sarcastically I ask her where is goes and she point to the exact spot (not where I was jamming it) that it belonged.

I'm a big dumb animal.

[SU405]

pfft,
silly me, I thought it was because she was hit at an oblique angle, the rapid and professional reaction of the paramedics on scene and the advances in neural medical technology...

goes to show you what I know.


I think the little girl that died would beg to differ...


[ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]

[Beer]

[Mtn.man]

And the fact that the MEDIA wants everyone to dwell on it.

[Byte Stryke]

http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/general-chit-chat-archive/44393-soldier-shot-mouth-point-blank.html

Is about as close as I can find. May be bullsheeat though.

I've heard of people trying to kill themselves, shoot them selves in the temple and miss the brain, severe their eye cords (that's a medical term) and live.


"Can you imagine what the enemy thought when he shot you point blank in the face, and you just kept coming at him; Americans are invincible. No wonder he surrendered so fast"


you think?
If I Shoot someone in the face and they just look at me and keep coming I am going to shoot again.

[hollohas]

If anyone has ever read Deadly Force Encounters there is a story in there about a police woman who was followed home by a bad guy one night. He shoots her in the heart with a .44 in her driveway which blows a large grapefruit sized hole out her back. Then she draws her weapon and kills him dead anyway. I am paraphrasing by memory of course.

Anyway, I think she died in the end, no heart and all. But pretty amazing what the human body is capable of. She fought back even though her heart was blown out her back side. I don't think of myself as religious and though I do find myself to be somewhat spiritual, I think it comes down to the medical response as well as (and maybe more importantly) a person's will to survive. I'm sure there have been people out there with far less traumatic injuries and great medical treatment that died because they gave up.

[TS12000]

There is also a difference between living and functioning, just because 40% (or whatever the statistic is) survive that doesn't mean all of them have some or any function left. As far as miracles go, well that's not something I like arguing about, she is doing good and miracle or luck that is great.

[Mtn.man]

She stood up today. Hmm

[BigBear]

If I Shoot someone in the face and they just look at me and keep coming I am going to shoot again.


Amen... and keep going until the gun is empty... and then beat them with the gun!!!

Friggin' zombies man! Zombies!

[tonantius]

Most don't use it either. Case and point, 10mins ago my 2 year old was playing with an attachment to my vacuum. She brings it to me and we go to put it back on. I'm trying to jam it in the round spot, sarcastically I ask her where is goes and she point to the exact spot (not where I was jamming it) that it belonged.

I'm a big dumb animal.


LOL!!!! [ROFL2]

[CrufflerSteve]

I might not have agreed with her on politics but I'm glad she is recovering this well. The brain does have some amazing abilities to rewire itself. ER services have also advanced amazingly. An ambulance is pretty much a hospital on wheels nowadays. When the ER people get their in the the first hour, called the golden hour, they really do work miracles. This would be a open head trauma and hopefully the bullet angled off. (I might be ignorant of details since I haven't been following any of this.)

I learned more than I ever wanted to know about this stuff in August 09 when my wife had an accident. It was closed head trauma and bad. They didn't have to put a shunt in her head - barely. The MRI was terrifying. She spent 10 days in Littleton Adventist and then 30 days at Craig Hospital in Englewood. For all you guys who ride bikes without helmets, it is one of the best rehab hospitals in the world for brain & spine trauma.

Miracle do happen there. My wife was able to walk out and come home and gradually put her life together. Today she drives and is working again. She's not fully recovered, a little weaker and gets tired but is back.

Most of the patients there were from car accidents but there were a couple of bicycle racers there and a woman hit by lightning.

Like I said, miracle do happen. There was one guy there who'd been in an accident and tossed from his car. It broke every bone in his head & face. When my wife was there he was just sitting totally blank, strapped into a wheelchair. When I was back some months later, he was walking and chatting to people. This kind of rehab is also a newer development to help the brain recover.

I doubt if Giffords will make a full recovery but she might amaze people a year or two from now.

Steve

[cwripinz]

Unfortunately, miracles and all aside, they are going to turn her into another Brady "Meat Puppet" and start this stupid, knee-jerk, regulatory BS All Over Again. I really hate to say it, but... Why oh why couldn't that schmuck have just plowed into the Crowd with a Cadillac Escalade?!?

Remember Brady? Capped with a .22 Revolver that the "Brady Bill" had no relevance to WHAT SO EVER! I'm getting that "I'm about to get screwed" feeling again.

It's almost worse for law abiding citizens when a public figure survives one of these attacks! You watch... she will spend a little time "at her post" and then she will hit the Fundraising/Lecture Circuit talking about her "experience". DAMN... she was a Moderate and not in favor of Gun Criminalization Legislation, too! We may have lost her to the "Dark Side"... the MONEY is going to be JUST TOO GOOD!!![Bang]

[Not_A_Llama]

Yeah, I'm going with the "dead 9 year-old ain't no miracle" camp.

[ghettodub]

pfft,
silly me, I thought it was because she was hit at an oblique angle, the rapid and professional reaction of the paramedics on scene and the advances in neural medical technology...

goes to show you what I know.

I'm with Byte here, but yeah, it's great that she's gonna live and recover

[Byte Stryke]

in a conversation with a democrat that went something like this.
well I don't think there's any reason for those high capacity magazines.
ordinary people shouldn't have them

So you want to make them illegal?

yes, absolutely

SO what about mentally defective people, or people with drug convictions. Should they have guns?

Absolutely not, that should be illegal too.

So what if I Told you that its already illegal for persons that have been adjudicated as mentally defective or that have been convicted of drug abuse to legally purchase a firearm?

I Would say that's Great, but whats that got to do with the guy in AZ?

Well, he was denied by the military for psychological reasons and expelled from a college for the same. He also has drug convictions and multiple encounters with the law enforcement community.

Well why did he have a gun then!?!?

Because criminals don't care about the laws your pass.

Well there should be a law against it!


[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]

[Mtn.man]

Yup if there was a law then da bad guys would obey it.

[Ah Pook]

So I guess the miracle hand didn't touch the other six people.

I am glad she is doing better, and wish her all the best (she will need it), but I don't see a miracle. My sympathies go out to the families of the victims of this senseless act.

[Scanker19]

yeah so I didn't mean the whole thing was a miracle. Just her quick recovery from a head shot, and the fact it wasn't 7 dead.

You guys really have to stop reading so deep into things.

[Irving]

I read a story a few years ago (from Germany I think), where a perp approached a man and woman and shot the man in the face. On the way to the man's face, the bullet hit his wife's cheek, then went through one side of his jaw and didn't exit. The man had no idea what just happened, but DID know that he had some VERY hot metal in his mouth, so he immediately spit out the bullet. The gunman, after seeing a man he just shot in the face, spit the bullet onto the street, turned and ran away.

[CrufflerSteve]

I read a story a few years ago (from Germany I think), where a perp approached a man and woman and shot the man in the face. On the way to the man's face, the bullet hit his wife's cheek, then went through one side of his jaw and didn't exit. The man had no idea what just happened, but DID know that he had some VERY hot metal in his mouth, so he immediately spit out the bullet. The gunman, after seeing a man he just shot in the face, spit the bullet onto the street, turned and ran away.

I think I saw that Bruce Willis movie also. It was okay - lots of explosions but no zombies.

[Irving]

Great, now I'm going to have to look the article up.

[Irving]

I only found these three:

http://www.nj.com/bridgeton/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1233724246132250.xml&coll=10

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/crime/spits-bullet-out-shot-mouth-20100614

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1294268/Hero-British-soldier-shot-face-Taliban-SPITS-bullet.html

None of them are the one I was talking about. There was another one linked to from THR.com that happened in Austin, but the page (on MSNBC) is gone now.

[Limited GM]

She may survive, but I wouldnt trust her afterwards (Or before actually) to do my taxes.

[hollohas]

Never read the book, but I know the story. Don't know that the exit was that big, but she was shot through the heart (didn't blow the organ up however). She shot the perp, who (IIRC) then fled, and then crawled over to her front door. Amazingly, she actually had to pound on it (again IIRC) in order to get her roommates attention. Went to the hospital, something like 40 units of blood!!!! and yes, she survived. She was a female LEO, a guy picked her out as a civilian target and followed her home more than 10 miles (IIRC), his stalking was unrelated to her being an LEO, he didn't know.

I'd pin my accuracy as being 90% on this. I say IIRC only because 40 units of blood might be 42, she might have yelled instead of pounded, and the perp might have died a short distance away. Tiny details.

Guess this is another case of someone not using much of his brain (me)...my memory must suck...