What neat news from SHOT 2011? [Archive] - Colorado AR-15 Shooters Club Discussion Forums

Bailey Guns

01-22-2011, 13:10

I've seen the following:

S&W Governor...their version of the Taurus Judge. Will shoot .45LC, .45ACP and .410
Ithaca is back in the 1911 business
The Kimber Solo small 9mm
Polymer-framed Taurus Judge "Public Defender"
Bren-Ten is back...built by Spirit Arms and VLTOR
Freedom Arms single shot hunting pistol
Some new 6mmx45 cartridge...built on .223 cases? 100gr bullet at 2600 - 2800 FPS.Anything else?

The Rat

01-22-2011, 13:17

The lightweight OBRs from Larue Tactical were the only thing I saw of any interest. 6lbs for the 5.56 version, 8lbs for the 7.62.

Overall kind of a downer. Nothing groundbreaking.

StagLefty

01-22-2011, 13:18

Here's a good link for day by day

http://gunblast.com/SHOT_Show_2011.htm

sniper7

01-22-2011, 13:20

wish i could have went!

StagLefty

01-22-2011, 13:23

wish i could have went!

Did someone get you your yearly "dillo" ? Bowers didn't go so I probably won't get a Shot Show one. [Beer]

leatherneck448

01-22-2011, 13:54

-KRISS announced semi and full auto configs for their new vector. Not sure if its only going to be offered as an AOW, or if they might put a 16" barrel on it...
(if you havent checked out the way this thing works, you should. Its beyond genius)

-I really like the new crimsontrace wood grips for 1911's
(not sure if theyre being offered for anything else?)

-LULA came out with the baby UPLULA for .22 mags
(pretty sure you can use it for .380 too if im not mistaken)

-Colts 1911-2011 model 1911pistol announced. I might just have to get one of my own [Wink]

-LSR-50 bullpup .50BMG announced by Sabre Defence. Dunno how they pulled it off, but it looks pretty sweet.

-Keltec apparently now has a bullpup shotgun? [Shock]

-Aimpoint now has something called a PRO (patrol rifle optic) which is basically a refined compM2 with a 2-MOA dot. Whoopee.

thats all i can think of off the top of my head....

Bailey Guns

01-22-2011, 14:08

Wow...

I just looked up that new Sabre .50BMG. I don't know if I like the looks of that or not.

OK, now I do. I like it.

Bailey Guns

01-22-2011, 14:19

Looks like Colt has their game on:

New modular rifle...switch from .308 to 5.56
Frontier Six Shooter is back
Mustang Pocket-Lite .380 is backI could get really excited about all of those offerings.

Clint45

01-22-2011, 18:17

I heard there was a new version of the Taurus Judge in 28 gauge.

DFBrews

01-22-2011, 18:21

I heard there was a new version of the Taurus Judge in 28 gauge.

I do not think that would be fun to shoot[Luck]

Troublco

01-22-2011, 19:11

Looks like Colt has their game on:

New modular rifle...switch from .308 to 5.56
Frontier Six Shooter is back
Mustang Pocket-Lite .380 is backI could get really excited about all of those offerings.

I wish they would bring back the Pocket 9...

StagLefty

01-22-2011, 19:18

I heard there was a new version of the Taurus Judge in 28 gauge.

How common is 28 gauge ammo to find ?

DeadElephant

01-22-2011, 19:23

Troublco

01-22-2011, 19:24

StagLefty

01-22-2011, 19:28

StagLefty

28 ga shells are no problem I shoot one a lot. Best dove gun I have. Actually I'm not sure you would find the 28 much different in recoil than the 410. Much more efficient design. My barrel is a little longer than the judge but I don't like to brag [LOL]

Actually, 28 gauge isn't too hard to find. I've seen it at Wally World (not all the time), Sportsman's Warehouse usually has it, and I've found it at Jax in Ft. Collins as well. I always keep an eye out for it, for my O/U 28.

Thanks guys-I haven't heard too much about 28 gauge in my limited shotgun experience I guess [Beer]

sniper7

01-22-2011, 20:24

Did someone get you your yearly "dillo" ? Bowers didn't go so I probably won't get a Shot Show one. [Beer]

I got super lucky and a fellow member was kind enough to pick me up one! lunch is definitely in order![Beer]

sniper7

01-22-2011, 20:26

Wow...

I just looked up that new Sabre .50BMG. I don't know if I like the looks of that or not.

OK, now I do. I like it.

i don't like the looks at all. however, if one was given to me or cheap enough I would gladly carry it with pride! anything stamped 50bmg is full of win

sniper7

01-22-2011, 20:27

I heard there was a new version of the Taurus Judge in 28 gauge.

i'll buy one once they get to 12 gauge...maybe 20.[Coffee]

j/k I like my hands!

sniper7

01-22-2011, 20:28

Actually, 28 gauge isn't too hard to find. I've seen it at Wally World (not all the time), Sportsman's Warehouse usually has it, and I've found it at Jax in Ft. Collins as well. I always keep an eye out for it, for my O/U 28.

saw it at dicks tonight.

just imagine if I forgot "it at". that would be a frightful post[ROFL1]

Clint45

01-22-2011, 22:09

Actually, 28 gauge isn't too hard to find. I've seen it at Wally World (not all the time), Sportsman's Warehouse usually has it, and I've found it at Jax in Ft. Collins as well. I always keep an eye out for it, for my O/U 28.

Yeah, but good luck finding buckshot or slugs. I don't think anyone has ever made 28 gauge buckshot.

DeadElephant

01-22-2011, 22:42

Yep I think you'll have to roll your own for slugs or buck.
I believe the nominal size is about .550 so it would be a bruiser.
Bet you could use a 54 cal blackpowder ball. If anyone wants to give it a go I'd love to watch...from my truck...with binoculars. [Beer]

Scanker19

01-22-2011, 22:55

Next is a Judge in the 40 watt range.

Troublco

01-23-2011, 00:54

saw it at dicks tonight.

just imagine if I forgot "it at". that would be a frightful post[ROFL1]

You'd live it down. Eventually. In a few years...[ROFL1]

frozenmud

01-23-2011, 11:15

I thought that the highlights were the Kel-tec shotgun, American rifle scope rings, CMMG's updated 22 ar conversion and their quick change ar upper setup. Posted on a different thread then found this one so...

Hoser

01-23-2011, 12:13

The ATF is going to have an announcement tomorrow concerning Saiga shotguns.

it isnt going to be good news.

PsyKo

01-23-2011, 12:41

the Kel-Tec KSG is the sickness, i will have one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi0OWQCkcVc&feature=related

edited for better video

Bailey Guns

01-23-2011, 12:47

The ATF is going to have an announcement tomorrow concerning Saiga shotguns.

it isnt going to be good news.

Banned from further importation or reclassed as DDs? Inquiring minds wanna know.

Hoser

01-23-2011, 12:53

Banned from further importation or reclassed as DDs? Inquiring minds wanna know.

We will find out tomorrow.

Bailey Guns

01-23-2011, 13:08

Interesting...another example of what can't be done through legislation will be done through administrative means. Wouldn't be the first time. 1989 rings a bell.

If a guy was sittin' on a pile of these shotguns he just might be a potentially wealthy man after tomorrow.

espAmerica

01-23-2011, 14:56

I heard there was a new version of the Taurus Judge in 28 gauge.

from Jim Scoutten - Shooting USA on FaceBook
The Taurus Raging Judge 28 Gauge Revolver was Vaporware. No way to tell ATF that it's not a Short Barrel Shotgun, with no corresponding pistol cartridge. And no such cartridge can be made, with a bore diameter .050 inch over civilian legal limit of .5 inch.

Limited GM

01-23-2011, 20:48

Yea, yea, yea...wheres the booth babe pics????

275RLTW

01-23-2011, 21:07

Best ones were at CRYE precision and one of the Dillon Aero girls....not much eye candy there....but there was free beer!

Sixgun

01-23-2011, 21:11

I want.............Colt's new .308

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN2vA1YUY0U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLx2SVpcOM

coop68

01-23-2011, 22:31

I want.............Colt's new .308

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN2vA1YUY0U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLx2SVpcOM

i am kind of second on that after watching the video! curious what they will be going for. its all about options! [Coffee]

sniper7

01-24-2011, 01:24

I want.............Colt's new .308

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN2vA1YUY0U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rLx2SVpcOM

um yeah I want one of those[Beer]

reddevil1111

01-24-2011, 10:40

Just Posted an email to Saber to find out if the LSR-50 will be available in left hand....we will see. (grin-pimp with lots of hope)

Bailey Guns

01-24-2011, 16:54

So, did anyone hear what the big announcement from ATF was all about?

StagLefty

01-24-2011, 17:01

I've been looking around today but haven't seen anything but speculation.

68Charger

01-24-2011, 17:27

So, did anyone hear what the big announcement from ATF was all about?

I've been watching for it- and nada, zip... only another unconfirmed rumor that it was to be a "study" announcement, not a "ruling"...

looks like it was a stunt to increase sales? look at Gunbroker, and see how many Saiga shotgun auctions completed in the last 72 hours!

StagLefty

01-24-2011, 17:51

Rumors and panic buying-mmmm sounds familiar [Beer]

68Charger

01-24-2011, 18:17

SAnd

01-24-2011, 19:59

To top it off, Saiga was never mentioned by name- just an "shotgun importation ban"... except in the Prince Law blog

could have been the Taurus Raging Judge 28ga (if made in Brazil, would be imported, and by any measurement is legally a DD)

The ATF reportedly visited Taurus to inform them... this could all have started from a flippant remark by an agent, frustrated because Taurus apparently doesn't have lawyers smart enough to understand the DD definition...
Or it could be a ATF agent that doesn't understand how regulations and laws have been enforced in the past. You can't assume the ATF is correct given their history of inconsistent actions and flip-flops in the past.

My understanding is that in the past the ATF ruled that the bore for for a Destructive Device is measured across the top of the lands, not across the bottom of the grooves. The rifling for a 28 gauge is .498 across the tops of the lands. That's less than the magic half inch.

The only way we'll know is to wait and see what comes out eventually.

68Charger

01-24-2011, 22:47

Or it could be a ATF agent that doesn't understand how regulations and laws have been enforced in the past. You can't assume the ATF is correct given their history of inconsistent actions and flip-flops in the past.

My understanding is that in the past the ATF ruled that the bore for for a Destructive Device is measured across the top of the lands, not across the bottom of the grooves. The rifling for a 28 gauge is .498 across the tops of the lands. That's less than the magic half inch.

It has .052" deep rifling? (28 Ga = .550") That seems a bit excessive- but everything about it is excessive... put it next to a .410 Judge, and it makes them look tiny!
The other hurdle to pass muster as a pistol- what handgun round is it chambered for? Hard to pass it off as a pistol, when it only takes a shotgun round...

I certainly don't have any insight, and don't always assume the ATF is always correct... I was just guessing some more, in a way that doesn't involve instilling a panic-driven buying frenzy [Coffee]

Irving

01-25-2011, 00:09

Hard to pass it off as a pistol, when it only takes a shotgun round...

If that is the case, then there is no such thing an AK or AR pistol.

DFBrews

01-25-2011, 00:21

It has .052" deep rifling? (28 Ga = .550") That seems a bit excessive- but everything about it is excessive... put it next to a .410 Judge, and it makes them look tiny!
The other hurdle to pass muster as a pistol- what handgun round is it chambered for? Hard to pass it off as a pistol, when it only takes a shotgun round...

I certainly don't have any insight, and don't always assume the ATF is always correct... I was just guessing some more, in a way that doesn't involve instilling a panic-driven buying frenzy [Coffee]

If that is the case, then there is no such thing an AK or AR pistol.

I smell a new factory backed wild cat round!![Beer]

68Charger

01-25-2011, 00:38

If that is the case, then there is no such thing an AK or AR pistol.

don't give them any ideas....

I think those actually serve a purpose for them- it allows them to throw a "ban stick" at AP ammo... nothing illegal about AP rounds for rifles... but if someone makes a pistol in the caliber, then they have laws on the books to ban...

Byte Stryke

01-25-2011, 10:52

don't give them any ideas....

I think those actually serve a purpose for them- it allows them to throw a "ban stick" at AP ammo... nothing illegal about AP rounds for rifles... but if someone makes a pistol in the caliber, then they have laws on the books to ban...

FN Five-seven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven) pistol is a classic example

ChunkyMonkey

01-25-2011, 11:22

ATI-GSG MP40 and STG44 in 22lr got my attention!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/01/20/ati-stg-44-rifle-22-lr/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/01/21/ati-mp-40-22lr/

TS12000

01-25-2011, 11:50

ATI-GSG MP40 and STG44 in 22lr got my attention!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/01/20/ati-stg-44-rifle-22-lr/

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/01/21/ati-mp-40-22lr/

That'll turn some heads at the range [Coffee]