Background checks work?

[waxthis]

Well imagine that, background checks do work. I can assume this was at Bear Arms...Way to go guys!

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20110127/WINDSORBEACON01/101270309/Police-notes-Man-arrested-on-outstanding-warrants-while-trying-to-purchase-weapon

[Beer]

[funkfool]

For those who can't get to it...


Police notes: Man arrested on outstanding warrants while trying to purchase weapon

By Beacon staff • January 27, 2011
Andrew Alvin Fracsh, 39, of Windsor, was arrested on Jan. 7 for assaulting an officer, resisting arrest and having outstanding warrants.
Windsor police were contacted by a local business at 1:57 p.m. in the 1200 block of Main Street for an individual, Fracsh, with active warrants attempting to purchase a weapon. When the business sent Fracsh's background check to the State of Colorado, the Colorado Bureau of Investigations contacted Windsor police to notify them of his warrants.
Two officers responded to the location, but were informed Fracsh had left but would return. When Fracsh did return, an officer approached him and advised him he was under arrest.
As the officer was gathering his handcuffs to place on him, Fracsh pulled away and grabbed the officer. The officer pushed him back, but Fracsh charged at the officer and grabbed his leg, knocking him down.
One of the business' customers grabbed Fracsh's arm, but he was still unwilling to release the officer. The officer grabbed his Taser and again ordered Fracsh to place his arms behind his back. When Fracsh refused, the officer tased the back of his neck, at which point Fracsh complied.
Fracsh was verbally combative and advised the officer he had defecated on himself. He was taken to the Weld County Jail.


Kudos to the biz and customers.

[BigBear]

Nicely done... Taser to the back of the neck? That guy is going to have a headache/shoulder pains for DAYS!!!! lol.

[Lex_Luthor]

One of the business' customers grabbed Fracsh's arm, but he was still unwilling to release the officer. The officer grabbed his Taser and again ordered Fracsh to place his arms behind his back. When Fracsh refused, the officer tased the back of his neck, at which point Fracsh complied.
Fracsh was verbally combative and advised the officer he had defecated on himself. He was taken to the Weld County Jail.

I love the wording! JUSTICE! Atta boy, get 'im.

[Lex_Luthor]

LMAO, Funk just beat me to it.

[Zundfolge]

Wow, one guy busted ... that was sure worth the millions of dollars the "instant" check costs an the thousands of honest people denied free and unencumbered exercise of their constitutional rights!

Yay Bureaucracy!

[Bailey Guns]

When Fracsh refused, the officer tased the back of his neck, at which point Fracsh complied.

I bet he did.


Fracsh was verbally combative and advised the officer he had defecated on himself.

Sounds reasonable.

I had at least 3 people arrested in my store during the course of waiting for background checks. All warrants...all really minor stuff.

I had a deputy call me once and ask, "Is so-and-so in your store buying a gun?" I told her he was there and had his 2 kids with him. She replied, "I'll be there in about 3 mins. He needs to be gone before I get there."

I "advised" the customer it was time to gather his flock and leave. He did. Deputy arrived and told me he had a Dog at Large warrant. Hardened criminal, that guy. I called him later and told him to pay his ticket. He did and returned and bought the gun later.

[BPTactical]

FWIW- this is not that uncommon. When I worked in the shop we would average about 2 a year that got the cuffs. Never had anybody get combative but rather the classic "What? Me?"
Really? You didn't know you had a felony warrant for distribution of a controlled substance?
You didn't know you had a felony warrant for 2 counts of assault?

I understand how it would be easy to overlook minor issues like that.
We did have a couple that they carted the male half away and the next week the female half came in and tried to buy the same pistol. The shop owners recognized her and refused to sell it to her. She got rather indignant when I explained the concept of a "Straw Purchase" and finally left when we had to threaten to call the cops on her.

[sniper7]

that is cool they caught the guy...even better that he shit himself[ROFL1]

[Bailey Guns]

that is cool they caught the guy...even better that he shit himself[ROFL1]

Yeah...I'll admit it's funny to read about. But it's not funny when you have to deal with the douchebag afterwards. Been there, done that.

Some people are fuckin' disgusting.

[spyder]

Yeah...I'll admit it's funny to read about. But it's not funny when you have to deal with the douchebag afterwards. Been there, done that.

Some people are fuckin' disgusting.
Too bad cops aren't allowed to throw people in the trunk.

[Byte Stryke]

Wow, one guy busted ... that was sure worth the millions of dollars the "instant" check costs an the thousands of honest people denied free and unencumbered exercise of their constitutional rights!

Yay Bureaucracy!



I think the numbers are going to be allot more than just one.
But we usually aren't inundated with the mass media telling us how wonderful Gun shops are and how they are working to protect the legal ownership rights of law abiding gun owners.

But you let a single psycho by a high capacity "Clip" or a "Barrel shroud" and the hill starts rocking.


[Eek3] and I thought I was a pessimist

[TFOGGER]

Too bad cops aren't allowed to throw people in the trunk.

That's why police cars have hard plastic seats and rubber floor mats in the back instead of carpet.....makes it a LOT easier to clean up after someone makes a mess... I know, as I got to clean a lot of police cars after one of my youthful indiscretions many years ago....[PoPo]

[theGinsue]

[Eek3] and I thought I was a pessimist

Those are the EXACT words that passed through my mind.

[Marlin]

I seen it work, kind of first hand. A number of years ago when the Garts at 92nd and Sheridan was still Denver Sports, I went in to get the latest thing I couldn't live without. There was a kid in front of me that got finished with His paperwork a few minutes before I did, so He went into the system first.

Finished mine, and started the wait/look thing. about the time that I started thinking to myself that this was taking a bit longer than normal, I was looking towards the front of the store, and noticed the 6 Westminster cops heading back to the gun counter.

The 3 biggest ones surrounded the kid, who was kind of obilvious to the situation. When everybody was in position, they tapped him on the shoulder, asked him questions for a couple of minutes, threw the cuffs on him and hauled him out of the store..

Wasn't close enough to find out what it was he was suppose to have done.

[2ndChildhood]

The officer grabbed his Taser and again ordered Fracsh to place his arms behind his back. When Fracsh refused, the officer tased the back of his neck, at which point Fracsh complied.
Kudos to the officer for showing restraint with the taser. I've heard so many stories about aggressive tasing it makes me sick.

[Daniel_187]

Can someone clear this up, So if you get denied you just go home pissed off, if you have a warrent CBI tells the gun counter to call the cops?

[Byte Stryke]

Can someone clear this up, So if you get denied you just go home pissed off, if you have a warrent CBI tells the gun counter to call the cops?

Someone sounds a bit nervous.
[LOL]

[TFOGGER]

Someone sounds a bit nervous.
[LOL]

"I wanted to buy a gun, and all I got was a free phone call and this lousy jumpsuit"

http://btx3.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/prison_jumpsuit.gif

[cstone]

That's why police cars have hard plastic seats and rubber floor mats in the back instead of carpet.....makes it a LOT easier to clean up after someone makes a mess... I know, as I got to clean a lot of police cars after one of my youthful indiscretions many years ago....[PoPo]

We never had any useful community public servants available to clean our cars. One of the best uses for my knife was prying the drain plug out of the floor before I sprayed the contents out of the back of the car. The smell always lingered.


Can someone clear this up, So if you get denied you just go home pissed off, if you have a warrent CBI tells the gun counter to call the cops?

After the business submits the information to CBI, if CBI gets a hit, CBI notifies the local police for the store and the local police are supposed to respond to execute the warrant.

[OneGuy67]

Can someone clear this up, So if you get denied you just go home pissed off, if you have a warrent CBI tells the gun counter to call the cops?


No, CBI calls the cops directly. This type of thing happened pretty regularly when I was a street cop. At least once or twice a week. Some of the warrants were the everyday Failure To Appear for traffic related stuff, some were more serious. I never had a dog-at-large or fishing-without-a-license warrant come up on these.