Just Wondering about obama

[brokenscout]

I know he doesn't have the votes but??????????????
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6173

[mahabali]

Read this article earlier on Arfcom. All hearsay at this point in my opinion.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1143918

[brokenscout]

Maybe he is trying to boost the economy :) I think if he gets a second term thats when I think something will happen

[hurley842002]

Why are liberals such stupid cunts when it comes to guns, magazines, and the 2nd amendment???

More like, why are liberals so stupid when it comes to EVERYTHING!

[sniper7]

got the same email. not details. any bills out there that were going to be introduced seemed to be waaay too much to even come close to passing.

it isn't what obama needs at this point. 2nd term I see him trying to ram something down.

the only thing I worry about is a gun ban or restriction getting attached last minute or to a major republican backed bill that they will be forced to swallow and pass.

I think we need to undercut the dems in the same way and the next big bill they want, and attach allowing new full automatics as legal purchases again.

[jmg8550]

Anyone think Obummer will get a second term? I'm not really worried about bans just yet.

[Marlin]

Anyone think Obummer will get a second term? I'm not really worried about bans just yet.



If the 18-21 y/o's lose interest and stay home. And, the extreme leftist base continues to be pissed at him. Then, no, he has no shot.

If those groups turn out for him, then, yes it's possible..

[Byte Stryke]

Read this article earlier on Arfcom. All hearsay at this point in my opinion.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1143918


Mods are slacking this weekend.. and Arfcom quote/ reference with a LINK and he wasn't Banned and Beaten?
[ROFL1]

[BPTactical]

If the 18-21 y/o's lose interest and stay home. And, the extreme leftist base continues to be pissed at him. Then, no, he has no shot.

If those groups turn out for him, then, yes it's possible..

Two word response:
"Immigration Reform"

If he is able to get a blanket reform bill passed then he will have all the votes he would need for a second term.

Now to any upcoming legislation- I am pretty sure he will address the issue. After all the foopah over the Arizona incident he has to to save face and keep his "Anti's" happy. To what degree is yet to be determined.
Now for the reality of the issue.
We have some good foundations from the SCOTUS in regards to the Heller and McDonald decisions and RTKBA.
One of the readings of the Heller brief was that it is Unconstitutional to ban a "Class" of firearm. That is good news. Yet they also stated the "reasonable restrictions" are acceptable. That is bad news.
We have a large amount of elected officials that recognize the Arizona incident for what it was: the act of a deranged and sick individual. Very quickly after the Anti's started spouting off after the incident the Chairman of of the Judicial commitee who is a R stated that any new firearms legislation would have to pass by his commitee and the chances of anything being passed would be slim. We'll see.
Even quite a few Demmies realize Arizona was a breakdown of the mental health and law enforcement system that allowed Loughner to lawfully purchase his weapon. There have also been many comments to the fact that new laws are not needed and the ones that are already on the books need to be enforced.
Quite a few understand the fact that since the Klinton ban sunsetted violent crimes have actually gone down. After the Klinton ban expired and there were judicial hearings on re-instating it and making it permanent the Anti's got their collective asses handed to them. The statistics did not support their claims and even one of the most staunch antis at the time, Patricia Schroeder (D CO) stated that the ban was a waste of resources and would not endorse a future ban.

The thing we have to be aware of is the fact that whilst campaigning and said here in Denver Obozo made it very clear he would re-instate the expired ban and "Permanent;ly rid the streets of Assault weapons".
He has been silent on the issue as of yet.
That makes one wonder.......................Executive Order time? He loves em!
With his attempt to get Andrew Travers(Who is very Anti 2A) appointed to be Executive Director of the ATF that tells me he will approach the issue from a regulatory tangent. Classic "Progressive" tactic-control through regulation.
Plus he has also stated he would leave "Gun Control" to the States to decide. If that occurs we have quite a bit to be concerned about. Look who our Governor is: Far Leftie Lib, signature member of Bloomingidiots "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" (MAIG). I could easily see Draconian measures similar to California being implemented here.

I think we are going to see at least attempts at legislation.
Now is the time to support the NRA,SAF, GOA, RMGO etc.
It may very well be our best defense.

[Marlin]

IR is the wildcard of course, I do believe it will get stalled out though. (Crossing fingers)

Naw, I still think the biggest worry will be the 18-21 y/o group. More of them voted in the last presidential election than in the previous 3 combined. As long as they don't show up in force, full of "hope" again, He will have a hard time repeating.

[ChunkyMonkey]

...plus whoever the republican candidate will be playing strong factor. Bama supporters and most of the middle will pick the lesser of two evils in their mind.

[hurley842002]

Naw, I still think the biggest worry will be the 18-21 y/o group. More of them voted in the last presidential election than in the previous 3 combined. As long as they don't show up in force, full of "hope" again, He will have a hard time repeating.

^^^ this

Obama didn't win, for any other reason than, the young crowd showed up, and the minorities showed up, bottom line. He ran his campaign, geared toward the younger crowd, and the folks who never vote, he made voting appear to the the cool and hip thing to do.

If Obama, is good at one thing, it's running a campaign, and gaining popularity. Many of the folks that voted for him, could care less about R or D, hell, they had never paid attention to politics until Berry showed up. If they show up in 2012, we could be in trouble again. Most of them voted and probably haven't paid attention since. JMO

[Elhuero]

If obama loses a close election I would not be surprised if there are riots

[Elhuero]

also.. I'm not too worried about gun control right now.

nevertheless, I picked these up just in case.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/elhuero/010.jpg

[funkfool]

also.. I'm not too worried about gun control right now.

nevertheless, I picked these up just in case.


Please... remember to be very careful with those when you head out for you next boating adventure...
[Tooth]

[hurley842002]

Please... remember to be very careful with those when you head out for you next boating adventure...
[Tooth]

If he is anything like me, he won't listen, and
Lose all his goodies on every boating trip.

[Irving]

Personally, I just assume that Obama will have two terms. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't.

[tonantius]

I think we need to undercut the dems in the same way and the next big bill they want, and attach allowing new full automatics as legal purchases again.

Yeah, baby! I think that the ATF reform bill that the NRA is pushing has that provision in it.

[Irving]

Yeah, baby! I think that the ATF reform bill that the NRA is pushing has that provision in it.


Yeah, right. The NRA doesn't support NFA stuff at all.

[CrufflerSteve]

Yeah, right. The NRA doesn't support NFA stuff at all.

NFA reform is hopeless. I listened to the Supreme Court arguments for Heller. The pro-gun Supremes wan't to make sure overturning the DC ban wouldn't lead to legalizing machine guns. If you have cool NFA stuff enjoy it.

Steve

[Irving]

I read some excerpts of the case, and it really seemed to me like at least one of the justices was practically begging the attorney (Gura or something?) to make the case for NFA restrictions to be lifted, but Gura dutifully stuck to the case and made sure he didn't stray.

[Phylord]

towards obama. Sounds like a bunch of 3rd grade sore losers to me.

Let's see...market is up to almost 12k as opposed to 6-8k, troops are starting to come home from an inherited war with no exit strategy, eleven million more people have health insurance, auto industry is rebounding (and some flourishing), more of a watchful eye on wall street and 'too big to fail' banks, housing market is slowly rebounding (I should know as I just bought and sold houses in different states very recently) and the job market is also slowly rebounding.

One hearsay article about Obama possibly supporting more strict gun control and the pussies on this board are already bitching. So, so discouraging.

And lest you label me some left wing liberal or luke-warm-middle-of-the-roader -- I'm a (multiple) gun owner, christian, tax-paying citizen. I believe in the death penalty and women's right to choose. But, I refuse to be cast to a mold or be a column voter. I have a mind that is capable of reasoning to some level and I make decisions based upon the challenging of my cognitions. I wish the the nay-sayers' invigoration would have presented itself prior...when the legs were getting kicked from under the chair...not as a hindsight is 20:20 fashion.

Good fodder for a Sunday morning debate, right?

[patrick0685]

And we are off...

[Byte Stryke]

towards obama. Sounds like a bunch of 3rd grade sore losers to me.

Let's see...market is up to almost 12k as opposed to 6-8k, troops are starting to come home from an inherited war with no exit strategy, eleven million more people have health insurance, auto industry is rebounding (and some flourishing), more of a watchful eye on wall street and 'too big to fail' banks, housing market is slowly rebounding (I should know as I just bought and sold houses in different states very recently) and the job market is also slowly rebounding.

One hearsay article about Obama possibly supporting more strict gun control and the pussies on this board are already bitching. So, so discouraging.

And lest you label me some left wing liberal or luke-warm-middle-of-the-roader -- I'm a (multiple) gun owner, christian, tax-paying citizen. I believe in the death penalty and women's right to choose. But, I refuse to be cast to a mold or be a column voter. I have a mind that is capable of reasoning to some level and I make decisions based upon the challenging of my cognitions. I wish the the nay-sayers' invigoration would have presented itself prior...when the legs were getting kicked from under the chair...not as a hindsight is 20:20 fashion.

Good fodder for a Sunday morning debate, right?

Argument fail
Any valid argument or personal view you might have had has been Lost.


I have something to show you:

http://frenchtasticpeople.com/door.jpg

[Phylord]

so typical byte. All rhetoric and no fact. Feel free to show me how the argument fails.

:)

And here's something to show you:

http://yalesustainablefoodproject.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/donkey.jpg

Happy Sunday to you and yours!

[Byte Stryke]

the pussies

I no longer hold any opinion you have of any value.

Anyone that would back their arguments with name calling has no maturity, no validity of argument or position or both.

This is typically displayed by persons that feel insecure in their position.
or so I have been told.

Nothing personal, but you have a great day anyways.



[ignore Phylord]

[Phylord]

Sorry, but some of the comments on this thread by certain people lead me to believe they are pussies and sore losers. I didn't back my argument with name calling. I backed it with fact. the name calling was to get the attention of some that may be of the vaginal wetness type and it appears to have worked.

Freedom of opinion and speech right?

It's harder to regain respect than earn it in the first place.

Some of the comments out of people on this board are just pussified. LOL

And, by the way, you're one of the last people on this board I care about the respect of.

No offense taken. There's this thing called thick skin...learn it. And, I doubt you have any ammo to counter my argument anyways. :)

[Phylord]

Oh, hello that one liberal troll who doesn't even live in Colorado who probably decided to reregister (erno)... someone remind me later (I have to run) to do a little research into connections to verify. If it is what I think it is, I wont just remove the user, I'll black-out a little section of the east coast as a farewell.

Ha! A person doesn't tow the party line of the board and I'm going to get booted. LOL. Talk about oppression...how about arguing with me with facts? I know, it's easier to just ban me.

I know not who you speak of (erno?). I've recently relocated back to Colorado as mentioned somewhere in the newbie thread. But, feel free to ban me anyway if that's just easier. there are other shooter sites that I can use...

Sorry my thoughts don't jive with y'all's. But, it should be interesting anyway, right?

So funny to see the knee jerk reactions. keep them coming...

[Aloha_Shooter]

Let's see...market is up to almost 12k as opposed to 6-8k,

So in other words, the DJIA and NASDAQ are just about where they was before his election and is still below where it was when he started talking down the overall economy. A lot of people started getting out of the market in the summer when it became clear that McCain's candidacy was doomed and we were about to elect the first openly Socialist anti-American president. The DJIA hit 7.5k on Obama's watch; admittedly only a couple months after his coronation but over a year of left-wing media spin on "Bush's economy" (remarkably similar to how they pushed a self-fulfilling prophecy by talking down the economy in '92) and half a year of talking about an overdue recession as the next Great Depression (funny how none of them could remember just how bad the Carter economy was or how much Obama's philosophies mirrored Carter's).



troops are starting to come home from an inherited war with no exit strategy,

In other words, we're once again undercutting allies and supporting adversaries by pulling out without a plan. In the meantime, we're destroying unit cohesion with a domestic political issue that applies to roughly 1% of the population and provides no strategic or military benefit.



eleven million more people have health insurance,

It's coverage, not insurance. If it was really insurance, the costs of covering them would be covered under the actuarial tables. In this case, it's added expense without ability to recoup the anticipated costs which will result in increased rates to everyone.



auto industry is rebounding (and some flourishing),

after getting torched and tanked by Obama himself to the point that Obama's Treasury Department actually forced some of the companies to take on government "loans" that the companies didn't want.



more of a watchful eye on wall street and 'too big to fail' banks,

More unneeded government bureaucracy to cover over the fact that failed government micromanagement (i.e., Community Reinvestment Act and Congressional extortion) was one of the primary causes precipitating the 2007 financial crisis (that should have come in 2001, 2002 at the latest, but was pushed off by Bush's team increasing deficit spending to avoid a meltdown after 9/11). BTW, Bush's deficit spending is one reason why the Republicans lost support in their base resulting in the Democrats taking over the House in 2006.


housing market is slowly rebounding (I should know as I just bought and sold houses in different states very recently) and the job market is also slowly rebounding.

I'll go along with the housing market sort-of rebounding very slowly but it's still in very real danger of a double dip. If you look at housing fundamentals, there's still a huge inventory on the market and more that would be on the market if they had any hope of selling in the next year. In fact, there's a huge volume of commercial property that is on the precipice and I'm holding my breath hoping it doesn't go over. Unlike the Democrats suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome for 8 years, I realize that Obama's failure will hurt everyone.

However, you're still in fantasy land if you're talking about the job market rebounding. The unemployment rate is still over 2 points above where it was when Obama took office. The largest part of that increase (1.6%) took effect as the disastrous effects of Obama-Pelosi-Reid policies were made clear their rush to "100 days" of legislation. The rate would be higher if it wasn't for all the people who have just lost hope and dropped out of the job market. I'm unclear how you think businesses will be persuaded to increase employment while OPR policies -- including the unconstitutional Obamacare legislation -- are still hanging over their heads.

[patrick0685]

towards obama. Sounds like a bunch of 3rd grade sore losers to me.

Let's see...market is up to almost 12k as opposed to 6-8k, troops are starting to come home from an inherited war with no exit strategy, eleven million more people have health insurance, auto industry is rebounding (and some flourishing), more of a watchful eye on wall street and 'too big to fail' banks, housing market is slowly rebounding (I should know as I just bought and sold houses in different states very recently) and the job market is also slowly rebounding.

One hearsay article about Obama possibly supporting more strict gun control and the pussies on this board are already bitching. So, so discouraging.

And lest you label me some left wing liberal or luke-warm-middle-of-the-roader -- I'm a (multiple) gun owner, christian, tax-paying citizen. I believe in the death penalty and women's right to choose. But, I refuse to be cast to a mold or be a column voter. I have a mind that is capable of reasoning to some level and I make decisions based upon the challenging of my cognitions. I wish the the nay-sayers' invigoration would have presented itself prior...when the legs were getting kicked from under the chair...not as a hindsight is 20:20 fashion.

Good fodder for a Sunday morning debate, right?

im not sure that the housing market is truly on a rebound...im glad you were able to buy and sell houses recently however the rebound was due to the fact that there were no forecloses over the last few months because of some law or something, that has since expired and the forecloses will continue which again will hurt the housing market.

you did start your whole argument with name calling.

the market is up

anyone could use Obama's exit stagey, it was called we are leaving, peace.

i honestly can not speak of the job market as i havent been looking but knowing people who are and can not find a job that pays a living wage seems that the job market is still pretty stale but I honestly dont know.

one article is gathering attention because this is a knee jerk reaction to something that could have been prevented by actually using the laws they have now, they dont need to regulate my freedoms anymore because people are afraid of "30 round clips" thats stupid, its like a person getting hit with a SUV and we should ban SUV's because someone died. Not the right fit.

You say you own guns...why do you want more regulations on them?

sorry i gatta go back to work...be back later

[Phylord]

Patrick - Thanks for a well thought out reply. It's refreshing to know that people can have different opinions and still get along. Here are some of my thoughts:


im not sure that the housing market is truly on a rebound...im glad you were able to buy and sell houses recently however the rebound was due to the fact that there were no forecloses over the last few months because of some law or something, that has since expired and the forecloses will continue which again will hurt the housing market.

I wasn't in a foreclosure or short sale situation. I can see how foreclosures coming on the market can hurt people like me who are trying to sell legitimately. But, the housing market in NJ (where I sold) is on the rise. There is less inventory on the market which was our biggest hurdle for a long while. I agree that there's a long way to go, but more buyers and less inventory is a positive sign in my book. In Colorado, where I bought, there was a lot of competition for the houses in the neighborhood. Houses were getting full priced offers. I have also seen bidding wars where houses have sold for above asking price. I'm not delusional in the sense that I think this is the norm, but I haven't seen this type of activity on real estate since before 2007.


you did start your whole argument with name calling.

Agreed. But, I didn't back my argument with name calling like was said. I backed the argument with facts. I have no problem with calling people names. Hell, look at some of the names Obama has been called on this board. The double standard is bewildering.


the market is up

And my investments and what retirement funds I left in the market are loving it! Actually, it's partially how we funded our second home out here. Buy low, sell high. I don't give Obama all the credit. But, I will point out this happened on his watch (much like some of you are more than eager to point out all the failures that may not be entirely his fault, but happened on his watch as well)


anyone could use Obama's exit stagey, it was called we are leaving, peace.

Then why wasn't it done? It's almost like the previous administration knew that this was a war without an exit strategy. I didn't see any efforts to even put one in place. I almost think that they were more than happy to hand it over to the new administration in an attempt to set them up for failure. But, I'm a conspiracy theorist...


i honestly can not speak of the job market as i havent been looking but knowing people who are and can not find a job that pays a living wage seems that the job market is still pretty stale but I honestly dont know.

yeah, this is a tough one. It's still pathetic out there. I've been blessed with a stable job and I've been working my ass off to not give anyone a reason to let me go. I have friends and family members struggling too and my heart breaks for them. I realize that one wrong move or one shitty circumstance and I could be in that same position. But, I do know that the companies I work for are hiring after an almost two year hiring freeze. We're starting to get raises and bonuses again as well. The simple fact that unemployment numbers seem to be dropping (even though unemployment claims are still fluctuating) gives me hope. We Americans are resilient. We will bounce back and better. It's what we do and it's who we are. but, it will not happen over night.


one article is gathering attention because this is a knee jerk reaction to something that could have been prevented by actually using the laws they have now, they dont need to regulate my freedoms anymore because people are afraid of "30 round clips" thats stupid, its like a person getting hit with a SUV and we should ban SUV's because someone died. Not the right fit.

Agreed!


You say you own guns...why do you want more regulations on them?

I do own guns (going shooting today actually). I never claimed to want more regulations at all. In my 'newbie' forum post I actually exclaimed how happy I was to be back in Colorado where the gun laws are less strict and I can modify my AR pretty much the way I want to. The reason I started my responses to this thread was in response to the Obama bashing going on. It's not all black and white as far as the issues go. And, I will not hinder anyone from expressing their opinions and views. But, I'm glad this place exists where I can post my views as well (which may differ from most on this forum).


sorry i gatta go back to work...be back later

Have a good day at work. Pleasure chatting with you.

[Phylord]

In other words, you were happier the way they were under the Patriot Act of the Bush regime. Sorry, but I was tired of my rights getting washed away under the scare tactics he implemented. And, if you think Obama is solely to blame for this economy you are sorely misled. they all had a piece of this catastrophe, but he is not the one to blame for the collapse. That happened before his election...

Your responses are yours and valuable to that extent. But, you assuming Obama is anti-American had me not put weight into them (although they seem well thought out). Too much emotion in your thoughts. I happen to think he's pro-America. Who is wrong and who is right?


So in other words, the DJIA and NASDAQ are just about where they was before his election and is still below where it was when he started talking down the overall economy. A lot of people started getting out of the market in the summer when it became clear that McCain's candidacy was doomed and we were about to elect the first openly Socialist anti-American president. The DJIA hit 7.5k on Obama's watch; admittedly only a couple months after his coronation but over a year of left-wing media spin on "Bush's economy" (remarkably similar to how they pushed a self-fulfilling prophecy by talking down the economy in '92) and half a year of talking about an overdue recession as the next Great Depression (funny how none of them could remember just how bad the Carter economy was or how much Obama's philosophies mirrored Carter's).




In other words, we're once again undercutting allies and supporting adversaries by pulling out without a plan. In the meantime, we're destroying unit cohesion with a domestic political issue that applies to roughly 1% of the population and provides no strategic or military benefit.




It's coverage, not insurance. If it was really insurance, the costs of covering them would be covered under the actuarial tables. In this case, it's added expense without ability to recoup the anticipated costs which will result in increased rates to everyone.




after getting torched and tanked by Obama himself to the point that Obama's Treasury Department actually forced some of the companies to take on government "loans" that the companies didn't want.




More unneeded government bureaucracy to cover over the fact that failed government micromanagement (i.e., Community Reinvestment Act and Congressional extortion) was one of the primary causes precipitating the 2007 financial crisis (that should have come in 2001, 2002 at the latest, but was pushed off by Bush's team increasing deficit spending to avoid a meltdown after 9/11). BTW, Bush's deficit spending is one reason why the Republicans lost support in their base resulting in the Democrats taking over the House in 2006.



I'll go along with the housing market sort-of rebounding very slowly but it's still in very real danger of a double dip. If you look at housing fundamentals, there's still a huge inventory on the market and more that would be on the market if they had any hope of selling in the next year. In fact, there's a huge volume of commercial property that is on the precipice and I'm holding my breath hoping it doesn't go over. Unlike the Democrats suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome for 8 years, I realize that Obama's failure will hurt everyone.

However, you're still in fantasy land if you're talking about the job market rebounding. The unemployment rate is still over 2 points above where it was when Obama took office. The largest part of that increase (1.6%) took effect as the disastrous effects of Obama-Pelosi-Reid policies were made clear their rush to "100 days" of legislation. The rate would be higher if it wasn't for all the people who have just lost hope and dropped out of the job market. I'm unclear how you think businesses will be persuaded to increase employment while OPR policies -- including the unconstitutional Obamacare legislation -- are still hanging over their heads.

[Phylord]

So in other words, the DJIA and NASDAQ are just about where they was before his election and is still below where it was when he started talking down the overall economy.

Hogwash. Do you even know what the DJIA and other market prices were when Obama took office? Here's a chart to job your memory:

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#chart4:symbol=^dji;range=2y;indicat or=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0 ;logscale=off;source=undefined

Looks like a 2 bagger to me.

[Hoosier]

Ha! A person doesn't tow the party line of the board and I'm going to get booted. LOL. Talk about oppression...how about arguing with me with facts? I know, it's easier to just ban me.

They don't ban people just for having contrary positions. I have a lot of contrary positions, and I haven't been banned. For example, many here think Obama is a Marxist Extremist. I think he's a Moderate Centrist. I think the goal posts have moved since Reagan.

I really wish we'd seen more of his campaign promises come to fruition.

I'd really, really like to see Ron Paul get the GOP nomination in 2012, they've run the Romney's and Palin's before, and we know that's a dead end.

H.

[Marlin]

Oh, hello that one liberal troll who doesn't even live in Colorado who probably decided to reregister (erno)... someone remind me later (I have to run) to do a little research into connections to verify. If it is what I think it is, I wont just remove the user, I'll black-out a little section of the east coast as a farewell.


Naw, can't be erno, He actually presented a much better argument than erno ever could.

I wouldn't ban you for a differant view, part of the charm of the place.

I will ban you for not having your location in your profile though.

24 hours.

[patrick0685]

Naw, can't be erno, He actually presented a much better argument than erno ever could.

I wouldn't ban you for a differant view, part of the charm of the place.

I will ban you for not having your location in your profile though.

24 hours.

wow i like it this will make everyone put it in there profile

[Marlin]

Part of the master plan..


[Tooth]

[BPTactical]

Wow, somebodies Flavor Aide is starting to kick in[Coffee]

I always wondered what compelled the new kid in class to try and pick a fight their first day.
Never saw one win either.....

[roberth]

[Coffee]

[weirjf]

More like, why are liberals so stupid when it comes to EVERYTHING!

You can't have a logical argument with them. Whenever I have a "guns don't kill people" discussion I end up using something like this as a point:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8676613.stm

You don't blame the inanimate object for how it is used. If someone is going to kill another person, they can do so with a rock, stick... bare hands. Unfortunately, going to logical points just sends them further and further into left field. [Bang]

[ChunkyMonkey]

@Libtard on this thread. You are giving much credit to BHO w/o considering the cost. I could have rebuild Greek, Ireland, and Spain markets single handedly too if I can get away with writing blank checks w/o worrying how would I pay it back.

Here is my personal take on the past two years upto now, my self employment health insurance double this year thanks to BHO care to include the illegals and irresponsible 11 million folks. My income although stable has not increased or at least keeping up with the inflation (as low as the inflation is).The housing market which is my industry is still 3-4 years from recovering (simple factual data of how many properties are on the market, upcoming ones, and average numbers of buyers). At this point, the market has dropped so much, you only see short sales and bank owned. BHO through HUD and freddie/fannie are creating a false bottom on the market by holding these houses at 'higher' prices despite of no buyers. I have multiple home buyers from this board, they can testify how hard it is to find the right homes due to the market condition despite the low low prices and interest rate.

You screamed 'but but Bush did it' on the Patriot act and yet will not give him the well deserved credit when it comes to Iraq (BHO voted against increasing number of troops, didnt he). Moreover, you are crediting BHO on the stock gains despite the clear indication that blue chip, financial stocks recovers after they paid off the TARP and govt bail outs -Not during. The market speaks loud, we don't need BHO to dictate the market - Have we forgotten what happened when freddie and fannie were mandated by the Democratic Congress to lend lend lend - no downpayment, no credit.. here is a 200k house! Oh wait, they are still doing it - just in a slightly better term!

Gas price is close if not the same level as the all time high 2-3 years ago, rental average is at all time high, groceries' prices are increasing at 50% of the 2010 inflation rate, Job market is stagnant at best, national debt is over 13 trillion dollar with $3 trillion added on BHO first half of his term.

Finally, for you to brag that the market is recovering thanks to BHO while not mentioning what the federal reserve is doing is either extremely naive or intentionally misleading. US private sector debt is currently at 130% to income (the great depression rate was 40% w/ much more severe market crash and unemployment rate). In short, BHO: let's overcome this crisis by borrowing more money at every level - Federal reserves will print as much money as need to ease the credit insolvent at private and fed level. If you think it's bad that China owns close to $1 trillion dollar of our debt. I would worry about who owns the other $12 trillion dollar of our debt.

If you are a conservative.. then I will go head eat my short, as someone recently pointed out that not all tards are libtards.

[roberth]

So what happened to the troll? I'm being rhetorical, I have yet to meet a liberal whose arguments can stand up to the true facts.

People have good ideas. It is a good idea to help people, the execution of the idea is where I have a problem.

We're seeing the results of the liberal style of helping people. There are many, many folks dependent on the government for their every need. This dependence destroys their self worth, their ambitions, hopes, and dreams. Dependence makes them subservient to their benefactor which is the end game of liberalism...power OVER the people.

Men should be independent, seeking help from their families and friends, not working in slavery for an unkind and inefficient mechanism that steals their lifeblood.

[Mtn.man]

Facts? Facts? libs can't handle facts, just look at their faces.

[Marlin]

Looks like hour 22 of the 24 have passed. Still see no update to the profile..


Tick...tick...tick...

[TFOGGER]

If there was any justice in this world, someone would beat Obaby to death with Rosie O'Donnell.......

[ChunkyMonkey]

If there was any justice in this world, someone would beat Obaby to death with Rosie O'Donnell.......

impossible... noone can lift Rosie. She is fat and full of shit.[ROFL1]

[Mtn.man]

Your forgetting Alec Baldwin...

[roberth]

impossible... noone can lift Rosie. She is fat and full of shit.[ROFL1]

And if you busted both of 'em open you wouldn't know which shit went with which shithead.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Hogwash. Do you even know what the DJIA and other market prices were when Obama took office? Here's a chart to job your memory:

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI#chart4:symbol=^dji;range=2y;indicat or=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0 ;logscale=off;source=undefined

Looks like a 2 bagger to me.

I'm sure the moron isn't coming back but just for anyone's reference, both the DJIA and NASDAQ were higher than today prior to Obama's election -- June 2008 to be precise. Yes, the market slid for the next several months but Obama's election was already taken as a virtual certainty by then. As far as his assertions about the housing market recovering, I noticed today's Wall Street Journal had an article about how home ownership is back down to pre-2000 levels.

Looks to me like Phylord needs to go back to school and learn what "before" means -- but that puts him in good company as Clinton still needs to learn what "is" means.

[Byte Stryke]

I Loved the part where he got all nasty when I told him that any argument containing name calling was immediately invalid regardless of logic or position.

[hollohas]

I found it interesting that he kept saying it wasn't 'Bama's fault, that it started with Bush and many were to blame and he wouldn't jump on the bash 'Bama wagon because he had an independent mind yet he was stating "facts" straight from the liberal playbook.

"Eleven Million now have insurance"...um, nope. Not going to happen and even if more do get insurance only a portion of the HC bill have been implemented and that doesn't include the part where more get insurance...just the part where they start to move money around and don't let us use FSA for OTC drugs anymore, etc. Not to mention, the whole 11 million people are without insurance "fact" is highly disputed and his "fact" assumes all of them will actually buy insurance. Again, not going to happen.

"The stock market is now higher after 'Bama than it was before." Um, wrong again. All you have to do is change the dates on the chart he linked to see it was much higher at periods before 'Bama....and...dun, dun dun...during Bush.

"The housing market is better." Nope. His whole "fact" is based on him selling his house and buying another. That's a very extreme micro-portion of the housing market. Just because prices maybe steady in Colorado and he was able to sell in NJ doesn't mean shit about the country's housing market. The housing market's problems started far before Bush and Obama. Anyone remember the .gov saying everyone has the right to own a home??? And forcing banks to lend money to people that couldn't afford it???

Just another hypocrite telling us we are brainwashed by the right at the same time he states bogus "facts" taken word for word from the left. Now, if he would spend a little more time on here he would find that many on this forum are anything but brainwashed by the republicans but the truth is we don't like them either.

[hollohas]

One hearsay article about Obama possibly supporting more strict gun control and the pussies on this board are already bitching. So, so discouraging.



In case you come back Phylord, Obama has been a serious gun control advocate long before he was president. It's not one article we are worked up about, it is Obama's history of advocating more gun control. A history you clearly know nothing about. I would expect more from someone who "has a mind capable of reasoning"...

Here's just one example, during Illinois state debate, Oct 21st, 2004.

Obama: "Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban."

If you really were capable of making up your own mind you would do a little more research and be a little more critical instead of just believing it when Obama (or any politician) says during an election that he's not going to take away your guns.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Young Democrats - a college club encourages its members to register as republicans and voted against Republican favored candidate during primaries. He is probably one of those type.