View Full Version : Florida Federal Judge Rules ObamaCare is unconstitutional.
ChunkyMonkey
01-31-2011, 14:24
http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/jan/31/5/florida-federal-juge-rules-health-care-reform-unco-ar-810894/
First Virginia...now Florida federal court. This is a big news as most likely this will go to the Supreme Court.
It is so unconstitutional its not even funny. But when there is a disagreement between states like there is, its up to the Supreme Court to decide it.
glad to see it. hopefully we keep our present majority with the supreme court to strike this massive load of bullshit down.
There are 25 states that are involved in this besides FL.
BPTactical
01-31-2011, 19:00
There are 25 states that are involved in this besides FL.
And happily CO is one of them.
+1 for AG John Suthers.
And happily CO is one of them.
+1 for AG John Suthers.
Makes me happy too.
Byte Stryke
01-31-2011, 19:25
50-1 says the insurance monsters don't drop their extortionate premiums though.
I went from $385/Mo INTERNATIONAL, ZERO DEDUCTIBLE
a month after BHO signed the law, it went to $875/Mo, US Only and the standard $1400
f*cking extortion
50-1 says the insurance monsters don't drop their extortionate premiums though.
I went from $385/Mo INTERNATIONAL, ZERO DEDUCTIBLE
a month after BHO signed the law, it went to $875/Mo, US Only and the standard $1400
f*cking extortion
Get some Lawsuit and lawyer reform going and I bet they would. [Luck]
Gcompact30
01-31-2011, 19:33
Waste of monies and the miss use of the Court system.
DSB OUTDOORS
01-31-2011, 19:34
Shit!! It's about time!
jerrymrc
01-31-2011, 19:48
50-1 says the insurance monsters don't drop their extortionate premiums though.
I went from $385/Mo INTERNATIONAL, ZERO DEDUCTIBLE
a month after BHO signed the law, it went to $875/Mo, US Only and the standard $1400
f*cking extortion
Way back when my old insurance guy said the only way for the premiums to go down on the cars was to enact a tort system.
So we voted for it and yes they went down. I get a phone call a couple of months later and he starts going on about we have no medical.
Here were the #'s
No fault with 100,000 worth of medical= $120 per month.
Tort with no medical= $100 per month. Adding $12,000 worth of medical was going to be $35 per month.
The words that came out of my mouth. [Rant2][Rant1] I dropped him and American Family a few months later.
Troublco
01-31-2011, 21:00
Get some Lawsuit and lawyer reform going and I bet they would. [Luck]
Yeah, except that it's a closed circuit. The lawyers that deal with the laws and courts become the judges that make up the courts, and the politicians that make the laws. If that isn't a conflict of interest, I don't know what is.
I have a suggestion for lawyer reform. It involves a season (10 months, or all 12? I think 12...), a small fee for a license, and no bag limit. At least, initially. [Coffee] Oh, and you HAVE to tie them across the hood of your car after you harvest them.[ROFL1]
Saw Romney on the tube this morn, he slammed it as well and supports the judges ruling. Libtard stefanoctopus is an idiot.
hollohas
02-01-2011, 09:10
50-1 says the insurance monsters don't drop their extortionate premiums though.
I went from $385/Mo INTERNATIONAL, ZERO DEDUCTIBLE
a month after BHO signed the law, it went to $875/Mo, US Only and the standard $1400
f*cking extortion
Just like gas prices. Once they go up, they never go back. They increase it $0.25 we scream. Then they decrease it $0.10 then we all cheer. And on and on it goes.
My family insurance went up $5000/year this year with no change in coverage. It never changed much before 'Bama got involved but as soon as he pushes the Health Care law to "decrease our costs" my payment goes up. No way it's going down even if they repeal the bill.
ChunkyMonkey
02-01-2011, 17:08
Ours is close to 11k.. we are switching to deductible for the first time in many years to lower the cost. I tried calling few other carriers, they are even more expensive. We need a coar15 hook up deal. Any member works for blue anthem?[Coffee]
spittoon
02-01-2011, 18:48
what is the deal 2 rule with it an 2 rule against it? is the latest ruling the law ?? if another goes eather way when dose it go to the supreme court?? or is back and forth bull shit .the majority dose not want this shit . oh wait you all are stupid and what they say goes even know it is against the Constitution[Rant2]and to think they took the oath
ChunkyMonkey
02-01-2011, 18:51
what is the deal 2 rule with it an 2 rule against it? is the latest ruling the law ?? if another goes eather way when dose it go to the supreme court?? or is back and forth bull shit .the majority dose not want this shit . oh wait you all are stupid and what they say goes even know it is against the Constitution[Rant2]
The era we are living in... we have to prove that illegals are illegal...and unconstitutional is unconstitutional.
Basically each of the judgement can be appealed accordingly. But once one of them reached the SC, it has the final saying.
BPTactical
02-01-2011, 19:45
Hear that- it's the wheels coming off Oblunders bus!
OT- Our open enrollment is in November-Knock on wood so far, we havent had any rumbles of boosts in rates.
But a buddy of mine's single parent of 1 went from $210 per to $375.
CrufflerSteve
02-01-2011, 23:54
The whole monstrosity is very possibly dead. It turns out the Senate Democrats left out a severability clause. This is common in large bills and declares that the invalidation of a part leaves the rest intact. Obamacare has no such clause. They could still theoretically wade in and determine what stays but they don't like doing it. This would be a horrible job. It is huge and there are loads of interdependencies. That was a hell of a whoops.
The devil really is in the details in this bill. I work for a company equally owned by two larger companies. The one with the good benefits pooled us with their's. Can't happen any more. The bill requires 80% ownership for pooling so our premiums went up 45% since my company is small.
I still doubt that premiums will come down much. Insurance companies don't advertise it but they are exempt from anti-trust and can collude on pricing legally.
Steve
Way back when my old insurance guy said the only way for the premiums to go down on the cars was to enact a tort system.
So we voted for it and yes they went down. I get a phone call a couple of months later and he starts going on about we have no medical.
Here were the #'s
No fault with 100,000 worth of medical= $120 per month.
Tort with no medical= $100 per month. Adding $12,000 worth of medical was going to be $35 per month.
The words that came out of my mouth. [Rant2][Rant1] I dropped him and American Family a few months later.
I don't like American Family either. My agent seems shady to me. He quoted me a reasonable amount for my Mustang, I find out when I get the bill a month later that 200 bucks has been magically tacked onto it! FUDGE! I'd almost have to get a second job just to pay for car insurance![Rant1][Rant2]
I had a few choice words. Actually, now that I think about it, I should just go ahead and drop American Family too. Progressive is a bit cheaper...
You just gave me a great idea Mr. Jerrymrc! [Tooth]
ChunkyMonkey
02-04-2011, 11:07
http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/virginia-seeks-fast-track-to-supreme-court-for-obamacare
Virginia seeks fast track to Supreme Court for ObamaCare
February 3rd, 2011 8:14 pm ET
The state of Virginia has announced that it will seek to put ObamaCare on the fast track for U.S. Supreme Court intervention, bypassing the lower court appeals process.
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Virginia seeks fast track to Supreme Court for ObamaCare - National Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/virginia-seeks-fast-track-to-supreme-court-for-obamacare#ixzz1D0jaeXY4
ChunkyMonkey
02-04-2011, 11:10
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/141833-seiu-fights-healthcare-repeal-after-obtaining-waivers-from-law
SEIU fights healthcare repeal after obtaining waivers from law By Alexander Bolton - 02/02/11 05:01 PM ET
The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) is lobbying hard against the amendment offered by Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) to repeal the healthcare reform law.
SEIU has sent e-mails to Senate offices urging lawmakers to vote against the proposal to unwind President Obama’s signature domestic initiative.
Do what I say not what I do! [Bang]
parabellum9
02-09-2011, 00:21
Sniper7,
I have to respectfully ask you bud -- do you know that we are the only MODERN country that does not have some sort of Universal Healthcare?
ChunkyMonkey
02-09-2011, 00:29
Sniper7,
I have to respectfully ask you bud -- do you know that we are the only MODERN country that does not have some sort of Universal Healthcare?
"Some sort of UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE?"
What does that have anything to do with FORCING every citizen to buy his/her insurance. Btw, 'some sort' of universal healthcare do exist. You don't see people being turned away from the hospitals do you?
Byte Stryke
02-09-2011, 07:03
Sniper7,
I have to respectfully ask you bud -- do you know that we are the only MODERN country that does not have some sort of Universal Healthcare?
yeah, I Sure am Glad that you emphasized "Modern".
Kuwait has a Universal health care.
Germany has a Universal health care.
as I am sure others do too
but they aren't modern at all.
[/sarcasm]
Sniper7,
I have to respectfully ask you bud -- do you know that we are the only MODERN country that does not have some sort of Universal Healthcare?
Healthcare is not a right.
Obamacare treats healthcare as a right and it also imposes costs on individuals that are unconstitutional.
I don't think they treat it like a right. They treat it like a requirement. No one forces you to exercise your other rights.
Sniper7,
I have to respectfully ask you bud -- do you know that we are the only MODERN country that does not have some sort of Universal Healthcare?
Totally in for this.
[Pop]
Sniper7,
I have to respectfully ask you bud -- do you know that we are the only MODERN country that does not have some sort of Universal Healthcare?
I'd be ok if someone could come up with a solid plan for universal health care. If they could do it cheaper, better and not expect every middle class worker to pay for 10 non-workers.
Obamacare isn't universal health care, it is required health insurance which = unconstitutional and STUPID when there are federally subsidized clinics everywhere that will treat you for next to nothing.
That... and we can't even keep social security and medicare from failing... can we REALLY add something like Obamacare that is 10x larger than those two combined and 1000x more complicated and actually expect it to succeed? Let alone expect it so SAVE everyone money like they want the gullible voters to believe.
thanks, but I'll keep paying $8k/year in health insurance until someone with some sense comes up with a plan
theGinsue
02-10-2011, 14:23
Sniper7,
I have to respectfully ask you bud -- do you know that we are the only MODERN country that does not have some sort of Universal Healthcare?
While I'm sure that there are health care horror stories in any health care system in the world and there are plenty of folks who are happy with the systems the way they are, those recipients of the Canadian and U.K. Healthcare systems, most individuals of both systems are very dissatisfied with them.
The U.S. Government has been offering universal healthcare to one particular subset of our population for some time now and it has FAILED miserably.
I'm speaking of the Indian Health Service. This is exactly what the U.S. government intended to ply on the rest of the population and it only has to provide healthcare service to <2 million Native American's - not 270 million as ObamaCare intends to do.
Ask ANYONE who has been a recipient of this "care" just what level of care they receive under this program and you'll get the same answer from nearly everyone - they'd get better care using old traditional holistic practices.
If this system is so great, then explain to me why the average life expectancy of Native Americans is 8 years less than the rest of the American population.
While we're at it, how about the Veterans Administration Hospital and medical service? While it has certainly come a LONG way from the horrid level of care that was afforded to our service members during and following the Vietnam conflict, it's still a far cry from the level of care you can currently, under our capitalistic system, receive.
Look at our government and the mess it's in. This is who you want running the system that is tasked to provide you with healthcare? Not me; keep it private.
ChunkyMonkey
02-10-2011, 14:41
Gosh.. when I grow up, I want to be like Ginsue!
Good response! No jokes [Beer]
I don't think they treat it like a right. They treat it like a requirement. No one forces you to exercise your other rights.
A requirement for those who can afford to pay. An entitlement for those who cannot pay. Classic "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
theGinsue
02-10-2011, 22:18
A requirement for those who can afford to pay. An entitlement for those who cannot pay. Classic "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
Nice Atlas Shrugged reference. I see it coming true more and more every day.
ChunkyMonkey
02-10-2011, 22:30
Yep, Obamacare politicizes 'the basic need' of the people to eliminate classes structured on common ownership, taxation, and consumption. Wait, isn't that the basic definition of Communism?
While I'm sure that there are health care horror stories in any health care system in the world and there are plenty of folks who are happy with the systems the way they are, those recipients of the Canadian and U.K. Healthcare systems, most individuals of both systems are very dissatisfied with them.
Most people don't see this but it is true. For day-to-day use they work fine, for anything more (the entire reason we get health insurance) the systems fail. In England you have universal health care and you have universal health care that you pay extra for. Hmmm... why would I feel the need to PAY EXTRA for something everyone gets for FREE?
I had a friend in Canada that died of cancer before he got to see his oncologist (8 months).
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