Weld 3-gun match rules....

[Limited GM]

Are the 3-gun matches around here ran off USPSA rules or......

[mx'r]

Here is what I could find. Hoser put up this link in another thread.

www.coloradomultigun.com (http://www.coloradomultigun.com)

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LOCAL MATCH RULES

Safety
Violation of any safety rule will result in match disqualification (DQ).
USPSA Safety Rules shall be followed, with the following notable additions:
In addition to the USPSA definition of an Accidental Discharge, the stage RO may call an A.D. using his own judgement. Example: if the competitor was clearly not engaging a target.
The Match Director has the right to disqualify any competitor for Unsportsmanlike Conduct based on his judgement.
All ranges are "COLD RANGES"
No firearms may be loaded at the match site except under the direct command of a RO.
Long-guns shall be kept unloaded in cases or on a designated rack, and carried muzzle up or muzzle down and the action open.
Pistols shall be kept unloaded and cased or unloaded with empty mag-well and hammer/striker down in a holster.
"Sweeping" any person with a weapon's muzzle will result in immediate D.Q.
All firearms must have a functioning safety, subject to verification by an RO at any time.
Any rifle or carbine slung during a stage must have an empty chamber, unless directed by the RO.
No person shall consume or be under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs at the match site. Any person found to be impaired or unsafe for any reason may be directed to stop shooting and requested to leave the range.
Eye and ear protection is mandatory.Equipment

Pistols must be of minimum caliber 9x19
Rifles must be of minimum caliber 2.23/5.56 or 5.45
Holster must provide sufficient retention to withstand vigorous movement. Race holsters are not recommended.
Shooter shall use the same pistol, rifle, shotgun, and optional long-range rifle throughout the entire match.
No steel core, steel jacketed, armor piercing, incendiary or tracer bullets are permitted.
In the event a weapon breaks or becomes inoperable during the match, the shooter may substitute a weapon of substantially similar configuration for subsequent stages, subject to approval by the Match Director.
If a weapon becomes inoperable during a stage, the targets designated for that weapon are forfeit with the exception that rifle targets may be safely engaged with pistol by the shooter with an inoperable rifle or carbine, and after stage RO approval.
Shooters violating Equipment Rules will be subject to scoring and/or monetary penalties. Fines will be assessed if target damage occurs due to: forbidden bullet types (AP, steel, tracer, etc); disallowed calibers; engaging targets contrary to stage description.
DIVISIONS

Limited:
Pistol: no muzzle compensators, no optics, magazines max 140mm double-stack, 170mm single-stack. (USPSA Limited)
Rifle: no optics, muzzle compensators OK (no larger than 1" diameter by 3" length), no bipod.
Shotgun: no optics, no muzzle compensators or ports, no speedloaders, may not be loaded more than 9 at stage start.
Tactical:
same as Limited Pistol.
same as Limited Rifle, but one optic is allowed.
same as Limited Shotgun.
He-Man:
Pistol: same as Limited Pistol, but must have a bore diameter 0.429" or larger, magazines may not be loaded with more than 10 rounds.
same as Tactical Rifle, but must be of a full-power rifle cartridge caliber 0.30" or larger
Shotgun: same as Limited Shotgun, but must be 12 GA and pump action.
Open:
Pistol: unlimited, magazines max 170mm. (USPSA Open)
Rifle: unlimited, bipods OK.
Shotgun: unlimited.
Optional Long-Range Rifle: Caliber 6mm minimum, .50 BMG not allowed, anything in between is OK. Velocity limit is 3200 fps.Scoring

There is no major/minor distinction within Limited, Tactical, and Open.
Scoring is time + penalties. Stages provide equal numbers of match points for overall match results.
Target neutralization: 1 "A" or 2 B/C. D's count as misses.

[Limited GM]

So all the 3-gun around here is ran under those rules? Interesting scoring.

[Hoser]

So all the 3-gun around here is ran under those rules? Interesting scoring.

It actually works better than hit factor based scoring.

And you can change the time penalties for long range targets.

Lets say you put a Popper or a LaRue at 400 yards. Not easy but not impossible. Joe Blow that does not shoot his AR past 25 yards comes up and throws one fast round at it. Minus 10 points but he saves a *lot* of time and does well in the results. And he didnt learn a friggin thing about shooting rifles.

Now with time plus he tosses a fast shot at it and gets hit with a 10-20 second penalty. Now he ends up on the bottom of the results because he thought it faster to just get lead downrange.

Another good thing is you cant zero a stage. Your just adding time. Newer shooter wont feel like they have been beat on that bad when they at least put some points up.

If you want you can also score both major and minor in a stage. Time plus generally does not recognize major or minor other than the minimum hits required on a paper target.

The best thing is that it is easier to understand and calculate results.

[DocMedic]

So all the 3-gun around here is ran under those rules? Interesting scoring.

I don't know one local 3gun match that uses USPSA multigun rules, And frankly its quite painful as Hoser has mention. What they call the non-uspsa rules, is outlaw rules, generally there the same but vary in one or two things depending on the match. Even at the bigger 3-gun non USPSA events, such as at Rocky Mountain 3-gun, if you have a cinch magazine and use it as a mono pod, it throws you in open, where at Fort Benning 3-gun it will still keep you in tact optics, but if your shotgun can hold more then 8 rounds at any given time, it throws you into open.

[Limited GM]

Be interesting to shoot. I've often wished the "rules" of USPSA could flex a bit to alter the "gaming" effects Hoser mentioned.

Im in, lets shoot.

[mx'r]

Me 3. Is there a safety course or any other requirments for a total newb to the sport?

[DocMedic]

Me 3. Is there a safety course or any other requirments for a total newb to the sport?

Usually if you show up to a match early enough and let the MD know ahead of time that its your first time shooting a 3-gun match, they'll work with you, or find someone to work with you [Weight]

[mx'r]

I'll be with Limited, so I guess I'm screwed. [Tooth]

[Hoser]

Usually if you show up to a match early enough and let the MD know ahead of time that its your first time shooting a 3-gun match, they'll work with you, or find someone to work with you

The important part of the above is contacting the match director **in advance** to let him know you are coming out. If you show up and they are short handed for set-up, the MD might not have someone to give you a new shooter intro class.

The USPSA pistol matches have defined what the requirements are for new shooters and that includes a mandatory class. But 3-Gun does not fall under the USPSA umbrella, so we tend to tailor our requirements to meet the needs of the club and shooters.

[Limited GM]

Im meeting with Mx'r the weekend before. He'll be ready to go.

No worries, I've DQ'ed more than have DQ'ed me. [Tooth]

[Zak Smith]

Hi,

There has been a long-standing debate about scoring systems, and no system is perfect. The reason we use the "neutralized or not" with time penalty scoring system is simple: speed and ease of scoring, and less possibility for error. The RO does not have to make a hard count of hits on every target; all we need to note is how many targets didn't get 1A/2C+, and then there's no hold-up on the tapers. This makes stage scoring and reset go faster. We let you shoot 1A or 2B/C's on paper to keep you honest for accuracy but give you choices. Sometimes we mandate "head" vs "body" shots on different guns within a stage, or have special instructions, etc.

The "outlaw" 3-Gun rules have been very similar across the country, and a scoring system very similar to this has been used at RM3G-Raton since 2003 or earlier.

With regard to new shooters, safety courses, etc, I always give a safety and procedural overview in the shooters' meeting for new shooters and as a reminder to everyone. However, I recommend that they get an "action shooting safety and procedure" briefing from someone ahead of time (if they have a buddy that shoots 3Gun or USPSA) so they don't have to understand and absorb the info all at once. Worst case, I'll ask an experienced shooter to give you the briefing if I'm busy with match setup.

-z