VIDEO: Planned Parenthood Aids Pimp's Underage Sex Ring

[ChunkyMonkey]

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[ghettodub]

Pimpin ain't easy!

[sniper7]

wow that makes me sick.

[ThunderSquirrel]

Good ole New Jersey...

[Lex_Luthor]

Wow, I hope that lady was fired and jailed.

[HBARleatherneck]

wtf!?!

[BigBear]

Yup... nothing new there. Want to see something just sick/twisted/completely wicked? Go with your kids to school for one day. Just one day. See all the crap they put up with. How many concious decisions they have to make in just one 8 hour day to walk the good path.

School nurses will have planned parenthood on speed dial, etc.

[jim02]

brought to you by your new democratic party, what do you expect, they exposed this same behavior with acron last year, she might have just been transfered from the acron office to planned parent hood.

[Hoosier]

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102010014

It's time to stop falling for these Breitbart style videos.

Cheering this is exactly like the anti-gunners who would be cheering the NY hired private investigators who went to the gunshow in AZ. You called those people "Brown Shirts".

Neither are an accurate representation, they're selectively edited mock situations designed to be "gotcha" moments. It's as real as reality TV.

There's a lot of talk about "common sense", lets try and apply some. Please.

H.

[ghettodub]

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102010014

It's time to stop falling for these Breitbart style videos.

Cheering this is exactly like the anti-gunners who would be cheering the NY hired private investigators who went to the gunshow in AZ. You called those people "Brown Shirts".

Neither are an accurate representation, they're selectively edited mock situations designed to be "gotcha" moments. It's as real as reality TV.

There's a lot of talk about "common sense", lets try and apply some. Please.

H.

That's a good point, you see these types of videos for every side of the issue. Just like those annoying political ads we have to deal with every couple of years

[OgenRwot]

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102010014

Media Matters is one of the most liberal organizations there is. Quoting them to defend Planned Parenthood isn't exactly finding an unbiased source.

[jim02]

You actually expect anyone to believe one word off media matter's? They post false info and misrepresent info like they are in competition with the nazi's propaganga machine.
OHHH he compared media matters to nazi's.. AAHHHH

Planned Parent hood has been exposed several times, so this one little clip does not make up the body of what I know about this group and the disgusting actions that they are capable of.

If she was set up and does not believe that stuff I would like to ask her why would you even say that stuff?

edit added: And of course it was a setup to make them look bad, you think a pimp just walked in with a camera and later he reviewed it and suddenly had a change of heart and decided this was not good behavior.

[ghettodub]

Media Matters is one of the most liberal organizations there is. Quoting them to defend Planned Parenthood isn't exactly finding an unbiased source.

You can make the same argument for almost anything though; his point is still valid... I don't know if he's necessarily defending Planned Parenthood, he's just stating that you find the same shit on both sides, like the Bloomberg/gun show thing. And I will say, people post stuff that is biased to the right all of the time on here, but no one says anything about it because they agree with it. But if it comes from the other side, well..

[Hoosier]

I wasn't looking for an unbiased source, I was looking for the opposing view. Actually, I was just googled for the rebuttal, but mediamatters.org had it as a writeup, so that's what I used.

Does this mean the next time someone cites Fox I should disregard their argument because the source is biased?

I really do prefer journalism without a partial tone, but it's exceedingly difficult to find anymore.

H.

[Hoosier]

OHHH he compared media matters to nazi's.. AAHHHH

For the record, I didn't compare anyone to Nazi's. Not sure if that's what you're saying, I had a hard time parsing this. I'm not a fan of comparing things to Nazi's, at least not until they kill a few million people.

H.

[DeusExMachina]

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102010014

It's time to stop falling for these Breitbart style videos.

Cheering this is exactly like the anti-gunners who would be cheering the NY hired private investigators who went to the gunshow in AZ. You called those people "Brown Shirts".

Neither are an accurate representation, they're selectively edited mock situations designed to be "gotcha" moments. It's as real as reality TV.

There's a lot of talk about "common sense", lets try and apply some. Please.

H.


Thank you!

Creative editing and "catching" an organization who's only job is to help those in need. Making them police and snitch on any activity are policies of a police state.

If the gun shop reported every suspicious person buying hollowpoints, you'd all be singing a different tune.

[BigBear]

I'm confused.... the lady should be prosecuted. She knowingly and willfully told the folks to falsify info....

What are we fighting about?

[jim02]

For the record, I didn't compare anyone to Nazi's. Not sure if that's what you're saying, I had a hard time parsing this. I'm not a fan of comparing things to Nazi's, at least not until they kill a few million people.

H.


No i did, and it was a satire funny for all to enjoy, as over the past few years anytime someone that is not on the left makes a comparision to nazi's, some jackwagon on the left gets all up at arms, even though at the same time the left compares everyone else to nazi's and makes nazi signs about everyone they oppose.

I understand the left and who they really are, they brought us sterilization and interment camps to name a few, it is a fair comparision to nazi's. give credit where credit is due.

[DeusExMachina]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[Hoosier]

No i did, and it was a satire funny for all to enjoy, as over the past few years anytime someone that is not on the left makes a comparision to nazi's, some jackwagon on the left gets all up at arms, even though at the same time the left compares everyone else to nazi's and makes nazi signs about everyone they oppose.

I understand the left and who they really are, they brought us sterilization and interment camps to name a few, it is a fair comparision to nazi's. give credit where credit is due.

I don't care if it's from the left, right, or center; I'm tired of hearing it. It signals the debate is just done, no progress is going to happen from there on.

Here: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-27-2011/bill-o-reilly-defends-his-nazi-analogies

This sums it up pretty nicely. Both sides drag out Nazi references, and they get called out.

We should tell all TV commentators that when they feel the need to make a Nazi reference, they look at "When insults had class" and pick a good one.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/class-insults-p1.php

H.

[jim02]

I don't care if it's from the left, right, or center; I'm tired of hearing it. It signals the debate is just done, no progress is going to happen from there on.

Here: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-27-2011/bill-o-reilly-defends-his-nazi-analogies

This sums it up pretty nicely. Both sides drag out Nazi references, and they get called out.

We should tell all TV commentators that when they feel the need to make a Nazi reference, they look at "When insults had class" and pick a good one.

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2006/class-insults-p1.php

H.

I hope we care if its from left, right or center because if we fail to look at the source we fail to see the truth.

A legit comparison of any thing, even the scary we dont want to go their nazi's, is not shuting down the debate, name calling, refusing to engage in intellectual discussions and saying a subject is off limits because its not P.C. is what shuts down debate.

The Stewart show does nothing to educate people or stimulate debate, it is a comedy show and is all done for entertainment, the problem is many of its viewers dont realize this. Back to my first point of knowing the source of the info, Stewart is poor example of both sides of the issue, thats one side.

[ghettodub]

The Stewart show does nothing to educate people or stimulate debate, it is a comedy show and is all done for entertainment, the problem is many of its viewers dont realize this. Back to my first point of knowing the source of the info, Stewart is poor example of both sides of the issue, thats one side.

You don't think that satire, with a bit of belief, does nothing to educate or stimulate debate? In the age we live in, it plays a huge part. but your point is valid about many viewers don't realize that, but that's not mutually exclusive to people on the left, right, or whatever.

In my opinion, I think the same of people like Glen Beck, Pat Robertson or Rush Limbaugh though, so...

Too many people follow blindly is my point, again, not exclusive to one side, and I see that far too often without acknowledging that we all do it...

[jim02]

You don't think that satire, with a bit of belief, does nothing to educate or stimulate debate?
Debate can be stimulated in many ways, the point was that Stewart and his viewers are not in this for debate, its a one sided issue with them.
In the age we live in, it plays a huge part. but your point is valid about many viewers don't realize that, but that's not mutually exclusive to people on the left, right, or whatever.

In my opinion, I think the same of people like Glen Beck, Pat Robertson or Rush Limbaugh though, so...
I would not lump Beck in here, I watched Beck take apart Bush and the GOP when he was on CNN, Beck is not a one sided pony.

Too many people follow blindly is my point, again, not exclusive to one side, and I see that far too often without acknowledging that we all do it...
Agree

[ChunkyMonkey]

Hang on... did someone try to refute the vid with media matters and the daily show? I am on my cell... I GOTTA read this when I am back!! [Tooth]

[DeusExMachina]

Yes, because a video on YouTube is a credible source.

[Not_A_Llama]

And I'm still thankful Planned Parenthood exists.

Freakonomics, anyone?

[ChunkyMonkey]

Yes, because a video on YouTube is a credible source.

Youtube is not a source, it is a media medium. For that matter.. here is Media Matter channel on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/mediamatters4america

[DeusExMachina]

Youtube is not a source, it is a media medium. For that matter.. here is Media Matter channel on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/mediamatters4america

Yay, lets argue semantics. Yes, because LiveAction.org is a more credible source.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Could anyone refute what the Planned parenthood manager said? There were specific questions and clear mentioning of underage, she answered it clearly. Pro-choicer can defend the planned parenthood all you want. I am questioning this video in which this lady was caught doing. In my personal view, encouraging lies about age, legality, specifically what not to say and what to say should have not happened, period.

And yes, you are correct, this is as bad as if a gun store owner would have shown the loophole to sell guns to illegals or minor. Yes, obviously LiveAction had to go through multiple locations to catch this act.

If sources of the publication is so important ...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/feb/1/video-shows-planned-parenthood-manager-aiding-pimp/
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/02/01/video-planned-parenthood-offering-advice-to-pimps/
http://www.examiner.com/media-culture-in-national/video-alleged-planned-parenthood-worker-gives-pimp-sex-trafficking-tips
http://gawker.com/5749001/conservatives-trot-out-the-fake-pimp-routine-against-planned-parenthood

I can relate with the right being up in arm about this, but the best response from the left thus far is...


Anyway, social workers and anyone else concerned primarily with helping poor or underserved populations: Beware friendly pimps and hos. The GOP will be riding this trick for a while. Gawker.com

[DeusExMachina]

All I'm saying is the Planned Parenthood supervisor's ONLY concern is that individuals regardless of age, sex, race or employment can get help in practicing safe sex or medical help. She is not the police. I cannot say whether or not she reported this, and it is not her responsibility to see that the police took action.

Her only concern is getting them help by whatever means necessary. A man comes into a hospital with a gunshot wound saying he just robbed a bank and the guard shot him, his wounds are treated first and then the police are notified. Doctors aren't expected to say, "No, you committed a crime so you do not deserve treatment."

As this sort of thing is very uncommon (underage prostition rings going to public services to seek help), who knows what her plan was. As stated in some of the articles, Planned Parenthood called the FBI to report this activity.

Also, one nurse at a Planned Parenthood does not represent the organization in any way.

[Hoosier]

All I'm saying is the Planned Parenthood supervisor's ONLY concern is that individuals regardless of age, sex, race or employment can get help in practicing safe sex or medical help. She is not the police. I cannot say whether or not she reported this, and it is not her responsibility to see that the police took action.

Her only concern is getting them help by whatever means necessary. A man comes into a hospital with a gunshot wound saying he just robbed a bank and the guard shot him, his wounds are treated first and then the police are notified. Doctors aren't expected to say, "No, you committed a crime so you do not deserve treatment."

As this sort of thing is very uncommon (underage prostition rings going to public services to seek help), who knows what her plan was. As stated in some of the articles, Planned Parenthood called the FBI to report this activity.

Also, one nurse at a Planned Parenthood does not represent the organization in any way.

Well said. Just like someone at a gun show in AZ willing to look the other way on a transaction doesn't make all dealers at gun shows shady.

H.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Rewatch the clip if you must.

If this nurse want to help the girls, she would have not referred them to another location where which required no audits. If her intention to 'trap' this pimp to save the girls, she would get as much information as she could as most public/social workers are trained to do instead of giving tips and passing out 'paper works' for them to come back at their choice of time or not. I am so glad this was all under pretense.

These girls would be the VICTIM not the criminals. Your metaphor of bank robbers cannot be more flaw.

Big kudoes to the other nurses/managers who turn down 'the pimp' and reported them to the management which eventually resulted in FBI report. My question still stands. How could you defend THAT nurse and try to justify it as she is trying to help the girls. She is helping the pimp, thats for sure.

This managing nurse does/did represent the whole organization for that particular location.

[DeusExMachina]

Rewatch the clip if you must.

If this nurse want to help the girls, she would have not referred them to another location where which required no audits. If her intention to 'trap' this pimp to save the girls, she would get as much information as she could as most public/social workers are trained to do instead of giving tips and passing out 'paper works' for them to come back at their choice of time or not. I am so glad this was all under pretense.

These girls would be the VICTIM not the criminals. Your metaphor of bank robbers cannot be more flaw.

Big kudoes to the other nurses/managers who turn down 'the pimp' and reported them to the management which eventually resulted in FBI report. My question still stands. How could you defend THAT nurse and try to justify it as she is trying to help the girls. She is helping the pimp, thats for sure.

This managing nurse does/did represent the whole organization for that particular location.

Actually social workers are trained to do their job first, not act as police. For example, the girl I am dating once met a family on a street corner to provide counseling with their child. They did not want her to come to her house for whatever reason you can imagine. She met them on the street corner and did her job, and reported the incident to her boss. She wasn't going to interrogate them or try and "trick" them into telling her why she wasn't allowed at their house. Its not her job.

And your definition of helping these (made up) girls is different than a social worker's. Underage prostitute has an STD. Mission: cure the STD. Not rescue them from their situation. Its not her job. She doesn't have a hero complex. She will do what she can to provide as much help as she is able to provide.

Why do you think getting the prostitutes medical care and safe-sex supplies is "helping the pimp"? I think that is helping the girls.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I think you are trying too hard. All social workers in CO and I presume in most US are trained to be very observant and most of them have more attention to detail than average. In cases such as this, they are trained to get as much info as they could in order to help/rescue the victims - Not encouraging, not leading them to a different location, and so on.

Again, I dont see any relation of this worker with your g/f's experience. And again, rewatch the clip, she WARNED the pimp once he mentioned they are underage that 'we are obligated to report' then she proceed to show them how not to get reported and so on. She even repeatedly stressed 14 and under option...

I know I am being biased on this because of my belief, but I am quite sure that this is not even a debate to you. When you can be more objective instead of stonewalling, I'd more than happy to chat you up.

[Troublco]

Exact topic of this thread aside, as far as I'm concerned "Planned Parenthood" is simply another avenue for Liberals to achieve their agenda. The fact that children under the age of 18 can't get squat done at a hospital without parental consent BUT they can go get a damn abortion without it tells me that it's more about the libtards achieving power and control than anything else. It takes two to start that condition, it ought to take two to end it. The whole woman's right to choose thing is garbage; either or both parties could damn well choose to use protection. It's simply the lack of personal responsibility evident in everything else, except it happens to have a direct effect on another in this case.

Flame me all you want, I won't change my opinion.

[Irving]

I read Freakonomics and I agree.

[DeusExMachina]

Exact topic of this thread aside, as far as I'm concerned "Planned Parenthood" is simply another avenue for Liberals to achieve their agenda. The fact that children under the age of 18 can't get squat done at a hospital without parental consent BUT they can go get a damn abortion without it tells me that it's more about the libtards achieving power and control than anything else. It takes two to start that condition, it ought to take two to end it. The whole woman's right to choose thing is garbage; either or both parties could damn well choose to use protection. It's simply the lack of personal responsibility evident in everything else, except it happens to have a direct effect on another in this case.

Flame me all you want, I won't change my opinion.

[Faint]

[DeusExMachina]

I know I am being biased on this because of my belief, but I am quite sure that this is not even a debate to you. When you can be more objective instead of stonewalling, I'd more than happy to chat you up.

I think you are being biased and are not being objective. You are making the assumption that Planned Parenthood is an accomplice in underage prostitution, which is not the case at all. I'm saying it has nothing to do with underage prostitution. All it has to do with is getting people assistance and does not care the circumstances, nor should it.

The woman in the video could have said those couple things for any number of reasons. They are not policies and are infact AGAINST policy, as she had stated. Maybe she knew it was fake, maybe she was trying to get them to trust her so she could help those that need it, maybe she was setting up a sting operation. Maybe she's batshit crazy. Who the fuck knows. Its a sensationalist propaganda video with very obvious editing to sway appearances. She was also fired for what she said.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Yes, I admitted that. That's why I dont attack Planned parenthood, they all can rot in hell for all I care. Facts, the manager was fired and was clearly at fault. Facts, she did say all of those things. You keep changing it back that its all about attack on Planned Parenthood, well doh! I have not once gone against it in this conversation. I am questioning this lady,while you have come up with 3 different inconsistent things to defend her only to come back to planned parenthood again. Arguing facts with maybes is pointless.

Since firearms seem to be the only thing that we may have in common. Would you defend a gun store clerk who was clearly trapped in 'gotcha' interview in which he/she points out supposedly a loophole and how to obtain gun illegally? I surely hope not.

I am just at aw that some can justify defending what she said. Just wow.

[Lochinver]

Having watched the video. There is no defending what still transpired. There were plenty of opportunities to realize that there was something not entirely legal going on and that the "pimp" was wanting to keep things on the "down low".

[Hoosier]

Watching this video is not conveying the truth. If the people who shot the video wanted to actually portray what happened, they would release the unedited footage. You have no idea what got cut, you only know that the people who went in to shoot it had an agenda, and will edit what they got to suit their agenda. It's like watching Reality TV and assuming it bears some resemblance to Reality.

Shit like this should no be endorsed, in any shape. If they want to be taken seriously they'd release the unedited footage.

H.

[ghettodub]

It's like watching Reality TV and assuming it bears some resemblance to Reality.


word to that

[ChunkyMonkey]

What are you talking about??? toward the end of the edited footage there is a link to the full 30 minute uneditted version in 3 part. They are all over the youtube since the same day of the release.

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The editted version highlights the most questionable area. NOTHING is out of context. That's why I keep telling Deux to rewatch it again. The irony, the folks who keep telling me to do 'more research' and defend this nutbag lady with all kind of excuses are the ones who do not do their own digging.

[ChunkyMonkey]

Shit like this should no be endorsed, in any shape. If they want to be taken seriously they'd release the unedited footage.

H.

It was released on the same day.

[Hoosier]

It was released on the same day.

Alright then that's good. I'm not defending a nut bag lady, I'm attacking (what I assumed) was entirely edited up attack video, ala past stuff.

You know what they say about assumption: It's the mother of all fuckups. (Under Siege 2, you know you liked it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114781/)

H.

[Elhuero]

if media matters says the video is inaccurate, then the video must be pretty spot on.