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glenncal1
02-04-2011, 09:33
Anyone see the channel 4 news last nite. Had a story about a guy who shot an intruder in his house with a Judge. Three punks, one with a gun, broke in and the homeowner shot and killed the one with the gun.
What gets me is that they interview the kids mother, who while understanably is sad, say why did the guy have to shoot him the kid was just in the wrong place etc. No mention of what the punk wanted to do with the gun he had.
Lex_Luthor
02-04-2011, 09:39
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/02/03/make-my-day-shooter/
Make My Day Shooter: ‘I Did The Right Thing’
DENVER (CBS4)- A 17-year-old who was shot and killed after breaking into a northeast Denver home last May was under the influence of alcohol, marijuana and opiates according to a CBS4 Investigation.
“I didn’t know that,” responded his mother, Cynthia Gonzales, when CBS4 showed her the toxicology report for her son, Marcus Duran.
It shows the teen tested positive for alcohol, opiates and THC- the active ingredient in marijuana- on May 24, 2010.
In the early morning hours, Duran and two other teens broke into a woman’s home setting off her burglar alarm. In a terrifying call to 911, the woman told a police dispatcher she is home alone because her husband is out of town.
“I’m in my room and the door is locked,” the woman said, as the burglar alarm blared in the background. “It sounded like someone got in through my window,” she sobbed. “Please hurry- my husband’s out of town.”
Duran and his two teenage friends fled, but didn’t go far. They decided to break into another nearby home and rob the homeowner. They chose Darrell Kutchin’s two story home. It would be a fatal mistake for Duran.
Kutchin is a professional masseuse. He was asleep in his basement, but he kept a loaded gun nearby, tucked inside a sock.
“I heard this crash. It sounded like a freight train. I thought it was a car accident,” Kutchin said of the sound of the three teens breaking down his front door and moving through his house. “It sounded like a herd of elephants, a lot of things above me.”
Kutchin grabbed his loaded handgun- a Taurus Judge- so named because judges carry this type of weapon in their courtrooms for self- defense. The gun shoots .410 buckshot or .45 caliber bullets.
Gun at his side, Kutchin walked upstairs.
“I’m yelling ‘Who’s in my house? Who’s in my house?’ I was scared,” said Kutchin.
Suddenly, the three teens came running down from the second floor. Marcus Duran was carrying a loaded pistol. As he neared the front door, about five feet away from Kutchin, Duran brandished the loaded gun and aimed it at the homeowner. Duran was still inside Kutchin’s home.
“And I just reacted in a defensive stance and took a shot,” said Kutchin.
The round missed its target. Kutchin said he could see Duran’s pistol.
“I saw a gun pointed at me and I shot,” said Kutchin.
The second round found its mark, hitting Duran in the head. The two other teens fled. Kutchin, who has first aid training, tried to administer medical assistance to Duran who had fallen on Kutchin’s front stoop. But the teen was dead.
“There were some errors in judgment made on that night when the individuals entered my house. I’m not a vigilante,” says Kutchin.
“I’m a law abiding homeowner that happens to be armed,” said Kutchin, in his first interview about the shooting.
Asked if he would do the same thing again, Kutchin says he would.
The Denver District Attorney’s office cleared Kutchin of any criminal wrongdoing, ruling his actions were justified under Colorado law.
But across town, Marcus Duran’s mother, Cynthia Gonzales, is still questioning what happened that night.
“I don’t understand why he (Kutchin) couldn’t have done a warning shot or shot him in his leg. They didn’t fire shots. They were scared and running out when it happened,” said Gonzales.
Darrell Kutchin said there was no time for warning shots or shooting to wound.
“I saw a gun pointed at me and I shot, no time to think about shooting him in the leg. And if you fire a warning shot, you are putting your neighbors in harm’s way,” said Kutchin.
Besides said Kutchin, in the time it would take to fire a warning shot, he believes Duran could have shot and killed him.
“My Godson did wrong, but he didn’t deserve to die,” said Phyllis Chavez, Duran’s godmother.
“I don’t think it was fair the way he(Kutchin) shot freely. Do it in the air. Why was he aiming at them if they are running away? That’s the part I don’t understand,” said Chavez.
“It happened so quickly it was reactive, instinct,” said Kutchin.
He said there was no time to ponder options or deliberate.
“My life was in harm’s way. There’s no doubt in my mind if I wasn’t in the presence of mind to defend myself I wouldn’t be here today,” said Kutchin.
Since his death, Duran’s mother and godmother have both received tattoos as reminders of the teenager they loved. His mother wears a heart shaped pendant around her neck. Inside are some of Marcus Duran’s ashes.
Kutchin said he is slowly healing from what happened.
“The fact that someone chose to lose their life in my house, in my surroundings with actions that I reacted to, that’s hard, mentally. Someone tried to make me a victim of something but I choose to be a victor. And by choosing to be a victor, I’m going to get healthy,” said Kutchin.
Kutchin said beyond the anguish over what happened, he has spent $5,000 on attorneys fees, another $1,000 on his insurance deductible and countless hours dealing with police, prosecutors and court personnel.
As part of the healing, he gave one of the teenage offenders several self-help books in an attempt to help the young man choose the correct path. One of the books was ‘”How to Win Friends and Influence People” by Dale Carnegie. The other was Napoleon Hill’s “Think and Grow Rich.”
Both of the teens who escaped that night are behind bars, in connection with the two break ins last May.
Kutchin said his heart goes out to the family of Marcus Duran. But he says he owes no apologies.
“I did the right thing. He was an individual who made an error in judgment that was very costly. It was an error in judgment that he chose to end his life,” said Kutchin.
That last sentence is beautiful. Personal responsibility...
ghettodub
02-04-2011, 09:44
That last sentence is beautiful. Personal responsibility...
agreed, loved that
Her drug upped minor son was in illegal possession of a handgun while breaking into people's homes and all she can do is make excuses as to why he shouldn't have been shot? While her son's choices that night got him killed, her sad attempts at being a parent were the catalyst that began the path towards this tragedy. Had she chose to be a better parent rather than make excuses, maybe her son's life would have turned out differently. God knows what her son and his friends would have done had the home owner not been armed.
Byte Stryke
02-04-2011, 10:05
So let me get this right...
Your criminal Son/Godson/Whatever commits Multiple burglaries with a Deadly weapon, breaks into a home, threatens the homeowner deadly force and is not expected to react in kind?
If it were me I would sue the hell out of the family.
They failed to teach him the morals and ethics required to properly function in society.
Daniel_187
02-04-2011, 10:13
I'll say it. Good Shoot
“I don’t understand why he (Kutchin) couldn’t have done a warning shot or shot him in his leg. They didn’t fire shots. They were scared and running out when it happened,” said Gonzales.
If your son hadn't been there, in someone else's home, carrying a weapon, jacked up on drugs and alcohol, he wouldn't have been there to be shot. The only warning required was a locked front door. I'm sorry for your loss, but bad decisions have bad consequences. If you want to do something about this, and help prevent events like this in the future, work to convince the people in your community that burglary/robbery/theft carries an unacceptable risk of DEATH. Don't blame the shooter, he was only protecting himself from attack.
Byte Stryke
02-04-2011, 10:26
If your son hadn't been there, in someone else's home, carrying a weapon, jacked up on drugs and alcohol, he wouldn't have been there to be shot. The only warning required was a locked front door. I'm sorry for your loss, but bad decisions have bad consequences. If you want to do something about this, and help prevent events like this in the future, work to convince the people in your community that burglary/robbery/theft carries an unacceptable risk of DEATH. Don't blame the shooter, he was only protecting himself from attack.
+1
“My Godson did wrong, but he didn’t deserve to die,” said Phyllis Chavez, Duran’s godmother. “I don’t think it was fair the way he(Kutchin) shot freely. Do it in the air. Why was he aiming at them if they are running away? That’s the part I don’t understand,” said Chavez.
Talking into the wind here...
This same old tired line? Sorry Phyllis, you'll get no sympathy from me for your loss. Terrible that others are impacted in this way due to poor decisions by their kin but...I just don't care.
Fair? Dont understand? Laughable...and your an idiot Phyllis, grieving I'm sure but your an idiot. Fuck your shit-bag relative Marcus, good shoot to the extent I read the facts as reported and I'm glad his death was the result.
No quarter Marcus, see ya'.
ChunkyMonkey
02-04-2011, 11:11
Good riddance.
Byte Stryke
02-04-2011, 11:23
I Wonder what Phyllis would do if a 3 teenage thugs broke into her house at 0-Dark:30 all liquored up, smoked out and popping on Opiates and pointed a gun at her?
call the police and wait 10-30 minutes?
recklessly shoot into the air and risk an innocent life? (They don't magically go away)
Swallow that lump of hypocrisy and do what Kutchin did.My Bet is on #3
I am honestly surprised no one is screaming racism yet.
The wife and I watched it last night. We had to turn it off when we heard the sack of sh** mother start shi**ing from her mouth.
Good riddance.
Couldn't have said it better.
Lex_Luthor
02-04-2011, 11:40
I Wonder what Phyllis would do if a 3 teenage thugs broke into her house at 0-Dark:30 all liquored up, smoked out and popping on Opiates and pointed a gun at her?
call the police and wait 10-30 minutes?
recklessly shoot into the air and risk an innocent life? (They don't magically go away)
Swallow that lump of hypocrisy and do what Kutchin did.My Bet is on #3
I am honestly surprised no one is screaming racism yet.
I disagree. I am betting she would call for police, cower in the corner, begging for her life and get shot in her own home.
I disagree. I am betting she would call for police, cower in the corner, begging for her life and get shot in her own home.
This
People like that are afraid of inanimate objects like guns, so they don't even own one let alone know how to use one.
DeusExMachina
02-04-2011, 12:42
Is it insensitive to ask if it was loaded with buckshot or .45LC?
Lex_Luthor
02-04-2011, 12:44
In the news vid it showed buckshot.
hurley842002
02-04-2011, 12:48
I disagree. I am betting she would call for police, cower in the corner, begging for her life and get shot in her own home.
^^^....this, and then if they survive, they'd get airtime on one of those shows such as "I survived", so they can feel sorry for themselves, instead of taking responsibility for their own safety.
I Wonder what Phyllis would do if a 3 teenage thugs broke into her house at 0-Dark:30 all liquored up, smoked out and popping on Opiates and pointed a gun at her?
call the police and wait 10-30 minutes?
recklessly shoot into the air and risk an innocent life? (They don't magically go away)
Swallow that lump of hypocrisy and do what Kutchin did.My Bet is on #3
I am honestly surprised no one is screaming racism yet.
+1
Aloha_Shooter
02-04-2011, 13:20
I don’t understand why she (Phyllis) couldn’t have raised her son right or taught him theft -- especially armed robbery -- is not only wrong but dangerous. They pointed a gun at the homeowner. They were fools and paid the price when it happened,
Fixed the mother's whine for her.
I disagree. I am betting she would call for police, cower in the corner, begging for her life and get shot in her own home.
+1..............................[Beer]
ChunkyMonkey
02-04-2011, 13:55
I am honestly surprised no one is screaming racism yet.
That's the first thing I expected out of the mom/grandma when we were watching the news, but I dont think they have enough community support to be taken seriously.
Gcompact30
02-04-2011, 14:33
Of course the mom is distraught with the death of her son. I am sad for her. I guess he and his little hoodlum friends, shouldn't have tried the home invasion. I don't see the problem with the shooting. Sounds like self defense to me. I might have shot all three if I could get them closer together so that big ass judge could get three with one shot. You live the criminal life bad shit happens. I hope "big ass" and "shit" is not considered profanity on this site.
Anyone see the channel 4 news last nite. Had a story about a guy who shot an intruder in his house with a Judge. Three punks, one with a gun, broke in and the homeowner shot and killed the one with the gun.
What gets me is that they interview the kids mother, who while understanably is sad, say why did the guy have to shoot him the kid was just in the wrong place etc. No mention of what the punk wanted to do with the gun he had.
Of course the mom is distraught with the death of her son. I am sad for her. I guess he and his little hoodlum friends, shouldn't have tried the home invasion. I don't see the problem with the shooting. Sounds like self defense to me. I might have shot all three if I could get them closer together so that big ass judge could get three with one shot. You live the criminal life bad shit happens. I hope "big ass" and "shit" is not considered profanity on this site.
you language has offended me.
I have posted a fucking complaint to the mods.
[ROFL2]
man you don't have to worry, we're all grown ups here and the mods don't treat us like children.
oh, and I agree with you and the other posters here 100%.
when some doped up thug breaks into her house she can think about his mother and hope he doesn't kill her.
Gcompact30
02-04-2011, 15:10
I was like man I am going to get kicked off another forum for stating my 1st Amendment Rights. lol[ROFL2]
you language has offended me.
I have posted a fucking complaint to the mods.
[ROFL2]
man you don't have to worry, we're all grown ups here and the mods don't treat us like children.
oh, and I agree with you and the other posters here 100%.
when some doped up thug breaks into her house she can think about his mother and hope he doesn't kill her.
2008f450
02-04-2011, 16:26
Boooo Hooooo my poor little drop out, drug using, dumb shit son got wasted after doing something illegal and stupid. If only there was some way this could have been prevented.
There is lady its called being a parent and teaching your kids right from wrong. Teach them to respect other peoples property. Teach them to go to school and be good citizens.
As far as the home owner. Good shoot. You only have a split second to decide to take lethal force or not. He saw a gun pointed at him and made his choice. I feel bad for the mom. I dont ever wish anyone to have to bury their child. But at the same time if you cant teach your kids to be good people you have to take a big chunk of the blame.
She looked so Motherly,, like June Clever,,,,,, NOT,,
gang banging POS is better off where he is.
I give him a 7.5 out of 10 for the head shot, it would have been a 10 out of 10 if he got him with the first attempt. As sad as the mother may be, her sun was only 17 and already doing "big boy" crimes, drugs, and who knows what else. imagine what the little fucker and his friends would have been capable of if they would have broken into a house without armed owners. Rape, assault, murder, the list can go on forever. I have absolutley [B]no sympathy for the little hood, or his friends. To be honest it sucks that they did not get shot too! Only person I feel bad for is the mom, but who knows, she is the one who rasied him, she is probably at fault somehere in there too.[Beer]
Scanker19
02-04-2011, 18:45
Someone on here once said "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".
Congrats.....loser.
I would have been worse legally for the homeowner if he had fired a warning shot.
He missed with the first shot, so WARNING see flash impact in nano second.
ldmaster
02-04-2011, 19:23
All the statements he made were picture perfect.
All the statements mommy made were the same old stupid shit, "my baby couldn't be a bad person".
How do I know?
My mother was the same way... I KNOW I wasn't the nicest guy when I was younger, but mom always said I was.
oh yeah, I'm mexican too. It's a cultural thing for the lamentation of "what he deserved"...
Yeah, he DESERVED a home upbringing that taught him to be a human being, and not a thug.
He DESERVED a mother and father that refused to let him hang out with other thugs.
He DESERVED to have his uncles and cousins kick his ass when he messed up (like I did) so that he could get on an honest MAN'S path.
what I figure he got was much less.
Oh, I love the newsies statement about the Taurus Judge being named for the gun that judge's like to keep in a courtroom.
I guess by that standard, the Bushmaster is named for the snake that people like to keep under their beds.
HA! They couldn't be any stupider if they worked for the NY Times.
A HUGE THANK YOU to Reporter BRIAN MAASS for not using words "assault weapon" etc, and actually taking his time and search what that "Taurus Judje" is.
Good shot.
Is there a single judge that actually carries that gun in a court room? I doubt it.
Is there a single judge that actually carries that gun in a court room? I doubt it.
well, at least he knows what caliber is that gun....
Byte Stryke
02-04-2011, 22:06
I want to know why the parents aren't being charged in connection to their minor child in unlawful possession of a firearm.
Why aren't the Parent's being charged with anything?
kidicarus13
02-05-2011, 13:25
I want to know why the parents aren't being charged in connection to their minor child in unlawful possession of a firearm.
Why aren't the Parent's being charged with anything?
I agree. How about the victim suing the minor's parent(s)?
excellent shoot. too bad he didn't get the other two little fuckers.
others have mentioned it, but has it ever happened: victim sues the family of the criminal or against the estate of the criminal.
in a car accident the victim can come after you, all your possessions, etc etc for damages.
what about for home invasion? make a bigger impact that it won't just be risk of losing life, but everything you and your family ever worked for. you put it all at risk driving around or just doing things in daily life, I think it should apply when you break into someones home.
theGinsue
02-05-2011, 14:50
Absolutely agree with this sentiment - why should the victim of such crimes be out thousands of dollars?
kidicarus13
02-05-2011, 14:57
Plus as someone mentioned... with MINOR in possession of firearm, parent(s) should be able to be partially responsible. Start making some of these loser parents who don't care wake up and raise their kids properly.
rockhound
02-05-2011, 15:44
I disagree. I am betting she would call for police, cower in the corner, begging for her life and get shot in her own home.
sounds like natural selection to me.
he should have been able to shoot the gun our her son's hand.
no really i saw it in a movie once. hopefully we saved some court costs
buffalobo
02-05-2011, 16:01
Punk got what he deserved. Hopefully parents get what they deserve. Sued for all the homeowners costs, attorney, lost work time, possible damage to home, and then of course pain and suffering. Maybe someday people like these scum suckers will realize they are responsible for thier offspring. At least unil they are 18 or killed by good guys.
what about for home invasion? make a bigger impact that it won't just be risk of losing life, but everything you and your family ever worked for. you put it all at risk driving around or just doing things in daily life, I think it should apply when you break into someones home.
For what basis would they sue? Mental anguish only goes so far, and if you start suing for everything a family has, then you are just as bad as the guy breaking into your house and you tarnish the image of the community.
theGinsue
02-05-2011, 16:26
How about starting with the actual losses experienced by the intended victim homeowner - loss of wages, legal defense fees, etc.
Screw tarnishing the image of the commuity. Do you thing allowing criminals to not be held FULLY accountable for the costs and effects of their crimes helps the image of the community? Absolutely not.
There are organizations out there known as "Victims Advocacy" which help cover fees associated with being a victim of a crime - but once YOU, the voctim, are being investigated, those organizations quickly disappear and you get nothing from them. I say hold the criminals or their estates, or in the case of minor criminals (dead or alive), their families accountable for full restitution to victims for any and all costs associated directly or indirectly with the crime.
I've got nothing against holding people accountable for their actions, but good luck getting anything from anyone who has to resort to stealing. Plus, it would be no more of a deterrent to crime than the current laws. Just seems like you'd spend even more money and getting nothing in the end.
Why sue somebody when they have nothing to take?
Sue for the estate all you want, all you'll get is a bunch of stolen car stereos and cell phones, maybe a few joints.
sounds like a good shot
I blame the mom and dad, this kid deserved better parenting!
2008f450
02-05-2011, 16:55
Once it got to court the mom would be crying and wailing. "my poor pablo was such a good boy. but I had to work 2 jobs to provide for him and his 7 brothers from 4 daddies. BOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOO" and it will get thrown out
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