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alxone
02-12-2011, 09:11
went to the military show a few weeks back and was applaud by the overwhelming amount Nazi stuff and people actually wearing Nazi uniforms. Am i the only one who is bothered by this ??
Part of me wonders how much trouble Id get in for kicking the living sh*t out of them . Sure free speech and all , but what about the truly offensive act by them to put that uniform on . Is there nothing to do ??? Yeah you might think its just a swastika but its more than that . Being 2nd generation Italian / Jew , I find it very offensive . I grew up with my grand mothers stories (she was the only survivor from my family in the holocaust, shipped out of the country as a little girl in a steamer trunk , 1941) and after hearing those and my great grandfathers stories about those Nazi assh*les (Italian army ww1 and ww2 ) . I wonder how any body especially Americans would willing put on the uniform and endorse the Nazi's ???

Scanker19
02-12-2011, 09:20
Re-enactors? There are a bunch, i wouldn't worry until they start marching and chanting death to jews.

We can't just pretend that it didn't happen.


"Illinois Nazis! I hate Illinois Nazis!"

alxone
02-12-2011, 09:30
Re-enactors? There are a bunch, i wouldn't worry until they start marching and chanting death to jews.

We can't just pretend that it didn't happen.


"Illinois Nazis! I hate Illinois Nazis!"
re-enactors sure , but then thats the next question , of all the armys that fought in ww2 , these guy want to pretend to be nazi'z ?? now i may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but isn't pretending to be something just as bad as being that something ??


"Illinois Nazis! I hate Illinois Nazis!" lol , love that flick just remember "The jew is using the black man against you , what are ya gonna do about it whitey" lol

sneakerd
02-12-2011, 09:40
I went to the Jeffco Militaria show a couple of years ago, held at the fairgrounds near 6th and Indiana. That's probably the same show you went to. Historically I thought it was interesting see the men dressed in various period repro battle gear. I noted that swastikas were not in evidence. I thought is was kind of weird myself, really not my bag and I've never gone back. Mind you I collect militaria, including nazi stuff such as weapons, flags, medals, etc- but I would never wear the stuff nor do I display it openly.

PSS
02-12-2011, 09:47
I'm not jewish but my family came from the area in Russia that the Germans invaded. My grandad had contact with them before WW2 but the disappeared between that time. There are lots of people affected by the Germans. I honestly prefer that people who support the ideas that the Nazis had dress like Nazis so that you can identify your enemy. And living in USA gives them the right to dress how they want. Just as it gives you and me the right to marginalize, ridicule, and avoid them. I've never felt threatened by the type that seem to want to glamorize the Nazis. They are sad people.

I understand the history statement but that stuff belongs in the museums and reenactment battle fields. You don't see very many people running around in KKK hood and gowns for history's sake.

Bailey Guns
02-12-2011, 09:49
re-enactors sure , but then thats the next question , of all the armys that fought in ww2 , these guy want to pretend to be nazi'z ?? now i may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but isn't pretending to be something just as bad as being that something ??

Umm...no, it's not in all cases. By that reasoning you disapprove of films, theater, kids dressing up for Halloween, etc...

I understand what you're saying, but don't carry the hatred too far or take it too personally.

Many people simply like the historical aspect of certain groups/cultures/periods of time. I have a lot of WWII guns, memorabilia and collectibles with Nazi markings on them. Doesn't mean I approve of what they did.

I'm fairly disappointed the Confederacy didn't win the civil war...but I married a damn Yankee anyway.

HBARleatherneck
02-12-2011, 09:53
. I wonder how any body especially Americans would willing put on the uniform and endorse the Nazi's ???

Americans are very disconnected from war. Most have never lost anyone to war. Now, Europe knows war and death. Read some of the statistics from WW1 and WW2. Countries losing 1/3 or more of their male population. And they still live where the war was. We have no idea. There you have generations of people who witnessed it first hand still alive and hopefully letting the younger generations know the horrors of war.
I am not real fond of nazis myself. But, when we used to go to the gunshows in denver back in the early 80s, it seemed everyone else was a nazi. nazi memorabilia, nazi tattoos, nazi patches on jackets and vests, nazi everything. I havent been to but a couple show in the last 20 years, hopefully its changed for the better.

To each his own, I guess as to what they collect and admire.

Having know many survicors and having been to Yad Vashem numerous times and having family in the war, I probably wouldnt pick that side to collect.

alxone
02-12-2011, 10:13
Umm...no, it's not in all cases. By that reasoning you disapprove of films, theater, kids dressing up for Halloween, etc...

I understand what you're saying, but don't carry the hatred too far or take it too personally.

Many people simply like the historical aspect of certain groups/cultures/periods of time. I have a lot of WWII guns, memorabilia and collectibles with Nazi markings on them. Doesn't mean I approve of what they did.
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no i do not disapprove of film theater ect , although it would be really hard to contain myself if i saw a child dressed in a Hitler youth uniform .
I just think it should be historic and left in a museum or in the theater .
Its not like i spend my time hating these people , its just the instant reaction i have toward Nazi's , KKK , skin heads , black panthers ect . Maybe its the hate and intolerance they represent that strikes instant anger. Yes i am intelligent enough to realize thats why they do it but I guess im not smart enough to not let it bother me when I see it .



I'm fairly disappointed the Confederacy didn't win the civil war...but I married a damn Yankee anyway
LOL [ROFL2]

Bailey Guns
02-12-2011, 10:18
What can I say...I was a sucker for a good-looking, intelligent, brunette. Still am after 21+ years.

I hear what you're saying. Then again, it does tend to keep alive the memories of what awful things the Nazis did. Like others have said, some people forget over time. Personally, I think it's important we don't, however unpleasant that may be.

espos1111
02-12-2011, 10:32
Next show get some friends together and dress like your in a concentration camp. Stand next to these A**holes. See what they say. A**holes. I can't even imagine doing either. Makes my skin crawl. Sorry

alxone
02-12-2011, 10:37
What can I say...I was a sucker for a good-looking, intelligent, brunette. Still am after 21+ years.

I hear what you're saying. Then again, it does tend to keep alive the memories of what awful things the Nazis did. Like others have said, some people forget over time. Personally, I think it's important we don't, however unpleasant that may be.

21 years ,right on congratulation!!!!

yes it is always a good thing to remember , but not a good thing to relive

alxone
02-12-2011, 10:41
Next show get some friends together and dress like your in a concentration camp. Stand next to these A**holes. See what they say. A**holes. I can't even imagine doing either. Makes my skin crawl. Sorry
[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]
now thats funny , really sick and twisted but funny as hell

2ndChildhood
02-12-2011, 10:44
The folks who are serious about white supremacy make me wonder.
I think the problems (financial crisis, offshoring jobs etc) we face are big and complicated.
Trying to come up with a simplistic solution (it's the mud races fault) is really missing major parts of the big picture.

Not to mention building your life/relationships around hating a group. What an emotional drag that has got to be.

I say make friends, deal fairly, keep your word (trust but verify) yadda yadda. Society is built on figuring out how to exchange what I make for what you make and we all profit.

Marlin
02-12-2011, 11:15
Don't read this the wrong way, buy frankly, of the time period, the Germans/nazi's had the best looking class A type uniforms. The only one, imo, on the allied side that came close was the U.S.Naval officers class A.

If WWII had boiled down to a fashion show, The Germans would have won hands down.




[Tooth]

hollohas
02-12-2011, 11:19
Don't read this the wrong way, buy frankly, of the time period, the Germans/nazi's had the best looking class A type uniforms. The only one, imo, on the allied side that came close was the U.S.Naval officers class A.

If WWII had boiled down to a fashion show, The Germans would have won hands down.




[Tooth]

That's because it was a fashion show for them. The men's fashion giant Hugo Boss was a big manufacture of their uniforms...

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/15/business/hugo-boss-acknowledges-link-to-nazi-regime.html

sniper7
02-12-2011, 11:33
i couldn't really care one way or another. people can dress how they want. personally, I am more annoyed with the way kids dress than some nazi wannabe.

Liberals probably think half the stickers on my truck should be illegal and make me look like a anti-liberal gun toting right wing terrorist, but then again, that makes me happy that they think that of me. Their obama and coexist stickers make me think they are unintelligent shit eating cock suckers that fuck up the country, but then again that is just my opinion---which I am lucky I am in a country where I am entitled to it.

A lot of people are fascinated with the Nazi symbolism, even though they don't understand it nor would they truly agree with it. Others like the uniform, the weapons etc.

I mean out of all the WWII weapons, I think my K98 Mauser is my favorite. and not because I am a Nazi sympathiser, or because I am a jew hater or because i wish nazi thinking would grow in the US. It is simply because it is such an amazing weapon, ahead of its time, great engineering, and it ended up being the foundation of a lot of the great rifles we enjoy today.
If someone saw all the waffens with the swastikas on the K98 maybe they would think different.

Bailey Guns
02-12-2011, 11:38
Liberals probably think half the stickers on my truck should be illegal and make me look like a anti-liberal gun toting right wing terrorist, but then again, that makes me happy that they think that of me. Their obama and coexist stickers make me think they are unintelligent shit eating cock suckers that fuck up the country, but then again that is just my opinion---which I am lucky I am in a country where I am entitled to it.

I hate it when people beat around the bush and don't make their thoughts on a subject clear.

[Coffee]

hollohas
02-12-2011, 12:16
Americans are very disconnected from war. Most have never lost anyone to war. Now, Europe knows war and death. Read some of the statistics from WW1 and WW2. Countries losing 1/3 or more of their male population. And they still live where the war was. We have no idea. There you have generations of people who witnessed it first hand still alive and hopefully letting the younger generations know the horrors of war.


While I agree that most Americans these days are disconnected from war, don't forget we too have the blood of many of our relatives on this soil, where we live, and I shutter to think that people forget that.

Sure, our civilians have largely been spared and most losses have been suffered by our service members overseas. But one of the great things about our country is our services members fight over there so our civilians don't have to here.

Monky
02-12-2011, 13:06
A wake up call to the sheep would be great.. why did the Soviet Union have to collapse! WOLVERINES!

Marlin
02-12-2011, 13:57
The "Coexist" bumper sticker goes back a bit longer than obama. He may get credit for a lot of BS, That's just not one.



[Tooth]

spittoon
02-12-2011, 14:13
I hate it when people beat around the bush and don't make their thoughts on a subject clear.

[Coffee]
[ROFL2][Beer]

Hoosier
02-12-2011, 14:18
coexist stickers make me think they are unintelligent shit eating cock suckers that fuck up the country

Is it the idea of coexistence that makes you think this about people, or just the type of people who have that sticker are generally dirty hippies?

I'm not generally a fan of Fashion shows, but if war could be solved with one, I would approve.

H.

cstone
02-12-2011, 15:20
I always wonder about the motivation for people who dress up as either Nazis or Confederates. If there is some historical significance to the use of the uniforms and symbols, I don't normally spend too much time thinking about it, however, too often these people are simply white supremacists.

I was raised on the east coast. Race was often one of the most important issues because there were significant, 40% to 70% black communities. I remember the white flight from many neighborhoods in thge 60's and 70's. Some white communities became very reactionary. It was not unusual to see Confederate battle flags flying in yards where the owners couldn't find Gettysburg on a map. If you went a little farther north into Pennsylvania or upstate New York the white supremacists were more likely to use Nazi symbols, presumably because they couldn't claim any Rebel heritage.

The worst example I can recall, was in a small town Fourth of July picnic in southwestern Virginia. A hot summer afternoon, and the cold beer was plentiful. Many young men were shirtless as they walked from pick up to pick up admiring lift kits. This one young man was obviously a graduate of several penal institutions where I would guess he received his very noticeable body art. He had a shoulder to shoulder Nazi eagle, complete with swaztika on his back. One of my sons, who was young at the time, asked me how such a young man could have been a Nazi. I told him that while the symbol was in fact a Nazi symbol, some people who use such symbols have no idea of what they mean or their significance in history. They misappropriate pieces of history to make their own political statement which often has nothing to do with or is a bad interpretation of what the symbol actually represents.

That said, I would love to own an MG42 or MP44.

Jumpstart
02-12-2011, 15:56
I always wonder about the motivation for people who dress up as either Nazis or Confederates. If there is some historical significance to the use of the uniforms and symbols, I don't normally spend too much time thinking about it, however, too often these people are simply white supremacists.

I was raised on the east coast. Race was often one of the most important issues because there were significant, 40% to 70% black communities. I remember the white flight from many neighborhoods in thge 60's and 70's. Some white communities became very reactionary. It was not unusual to see Confederate battle flags flying in yards where the owners couldn't find Gettysburg on a map. If you went a little farther north into Pennsylvania or upstate New York the white supremacists were more likely to use Nazi symbols, presumably because they couldn't claim any Rebel heritage.

The worst example I can recall, was in a small town Fourth of July picnic in southwestern Virginia. A hot summer afternoon, and the cold beer was plentiful. Many young men were shirtless as they walked from pick up to pick up admiring lift kits. This one young man was obviously a graduate of several penal institutions where I would guess he received his very noticeable body art. He had a shoulder to shoulder Nazi eagle, complete with swaztika on his back. One of my sons, who was young at the time, asked me how such a young man could have been a Nazi. I told him that while the symbol was in fact a Nazi symbol, some people who use such symbols have no idea of what they mean or their significance in history. They misappropriate pieces of history to make their own political statement which often has nothing to do with or is a bad interpretation of what the symbol actually represents.

That said, I would love to own an MG42 or MP44.

What? Don't you want to celebrate diversity?

cstone
02-12-2011, 16:11
What? Don't you want to celebrate diversity?

It's not often that I find myself quoting French politicians, however if Nicolas Sarkozy were running against President Obama, I would give a great deal of weight to comments like this:

"It's a failure," Sarkozy said of multiculturalism. "The truth is that, in all our democracies, we've been too concerned about the identity of the new arrivals and not enough about the identity of the country receiving them."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4027258,00.html

earplug
02-12-2011, 16:18
Please don't be asking for some kneejerk law against wearing or displaying stuff you don't like.

Ryan_Th3_K1d
02-12-2011, 16:51
Coming from a reenactors point of view, if you are portraying one side of the war it's always nice to have the other perspective. I mainly do the revolutionary war period and have a lot of close friends that portray the british side. Reenacting the bad guys is often just as fun as the good guys.

If people are just wearing nazi uniforms around in the general public that's stupid.

Hoosier
02-12-2011, 17:00
This is the most interesting small arm to come out of WWII, IMHO:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Sturmgewehr_44.jpg

Too bad it was given an unfortunate name.

H.

reddevil1111
02-12-2011, 19:29
While in the Marine Corps I had the chance to fire a Columbian mg-42 it was of WW2 mfg. I think Poland? They had piles of them. I burned 600 rounds and walked away very impressed. For a medium machine gun it ran belts VERY quickly. But not only did it have a high rate of fire, it also vented well and it had 40-50% less heat than the m-60E-3 I carried. The barrels swapped out easily and it was easy to control your rate of fire and accurate.
I found myself pretty jealous.
The m-60 trigger group used to fall off in the middle of shooting it /humping it around. Then you have to slam fire it to get it up and running. not a lot of fun.
I dream of a time machine. I would cruse through time grabbing mint condition weapons and fast cars. Maybe someday right?[Tooth]

Birddog1911
02-12-2011, 19:49
I'm surprised that I'm the first to ask this. Were they wearing Nazi uniforms, or Wehrmacht uniforms? I'm a little rough on my history, but I'm pretty sure there is a big distinction between the two. Personally, I've always admired the Wehrmacht, but despise the Nazis, which I often distinguish as the SS.

sniper7
02-12-2011, 22:51
Is it the idea of coexistence that makes you think this about people, or just the type of people who have that sticker are generally dirty hippies?

I'm not generally a fan of Fashion shows, but if war could be solved with one, I would approve.

H.


the idea that these fucking morons think their dumbass sticker is going to make the Muslims want to sing kum-bah-ya with the jews and the Christians makes me think they are ignorant dumbfucks. Thousands of years of fighting and war and all that was needed was a bumper sticker on the back of a chariot...my ass

sniper7
02-12-2011, 22:55
my favorite from WWII:

http://i49.tinypic.com/2mpbgc4.jpg

theGinsue
02-12-2011, 23:09
I'm curious if the guys in the Nazi uniforms were OLD guys, or if they were younger.

The reason I ask is that I know one of the guys that does this sort of thing here in Colo Spr gun shows. He's an old HS chum of my dad's (so, he's an OLD guy - not a kid/middle-aged person) from back in MO but got drafted in Vietnam, became SF, and did a lot of things that sorta made him - different. He really saw and did some serious sh!t.

I recall a discussion about the whole fascination with the WWII era German stuff years ago and what he said sorta made sense. He's not interested in the ideologies or methods of the Nazi's, but is fascinated by their military tools (esp weaponry) and their ability to fight such an amazing offensive.

I'll admit that he's not the most sensitive guy in considering how the wearing/displaying of such gear could be considered offensive, but he's actually not advocating the anti-Jewish and anti-mankind/pro-Arian attitude, he just thinks the stuff is cool.

Thought I'd throw in what I know of one of these guys.

ldmaster
02-12-2011, 23:28
Being german army did not make you a nazi.

Just like being white doesn't make you a member of the KKK.

At one time or another every single nation on this earth has been invaded and had foreign soldiers kill and abuse civilians.

Nazi-ism is nothing more than the result of crippling debt within Germany.

I do wonder what will happen to the USA with OUR crippling debt.

What was done to innocents of all stripes, jews, gypsies etc... was atrocious. But being facinated by that stuff is sort of natural for some, like the desire to see if something will burn, hence some children play with fire until someone catches them or they burn their house down.

I don't think that ostacising them or ridiculing them just for wearing a wehrmacht uniform is quite fair. We get ridiculed and maginalized all the time by retarded liberal-socialists for loving our guns.

I'd think that seeking to understand why someone is wearing that stuff can be more effetive in stamping out the practice. Ridicule is sort of what they WANT (think about what laughing at a Goth kid does to their behavior) they crave the attention, you give it to them - win-win in their eyes.

Stalin killed 7,000,000 but we actively collect the AK rifle?
The japanes killed 300,000 civilians in ONE city (Nanking) AFTER capturing it - but we see the rising sun emblem and dont comment on it.

800,000 people killed in Rwanda in the 90's.

Genocide has never been owned by the Nazi's, they killed less people than Stalin did.

Up until 1920 the British Empire was the world's leading drug trafficker. Opium was spread throughout the world by their traders. But do we say anything about the millions who have suffered and died at the hands of the Opium trade?

I am no more disgusted by nazi parphernalia than I am by the product or symbol of ANY of the purveyors of death. What I question is how we can purport to know so much about nazi's but know so very very little about every other atrocity committed IN OUR LIFETIME.

Irving
02-12-2011, 23:59
What I question is how we can purport to know so much about nazi's but know so very very little about every other atrocity committed IN OUR LIFETIME.

Make a T-chart with a list of every movie made about WWII with a heavy focus on Nazis on one side, and every other war movie on the other side, and you'll see your answer.

Scanker19
02-13-2011, 00:03
I like to think that most were Soldiers that were put in a shitty situation and wanted nothing more than to go home, and most never got that chance. Same with ours. There are many stories out there about how similar we were/are, soldiers spending Christmas together, or my favorite the story of the German fighter escorting the Crippled U.S. plane back to Britain.

There are also ways that we are similar as well. The japanese internment camps. Those were our own countrymen we put in those camps, for nothing more than being Japanese or worse of japanese Decent.

Even in Iraq I could't always be mad at the enemy, after all they were doing the same thing I'd do in the event of an invasion.

These are humans, I'd take more offense to them dressing as humans as "we" are horrible animals.

"us", "we", "them". Who is that really? Who is the bad guy? Can't always play cops and cops or cowboys and cowboys. Someone has to be the bad guy. Either in real life or just to pretend. Sometimes its hard to tell where the line is, or what "side" you're one.

To quote an old friend "ugh, smells like humanity"

Scanker19
02-13-2011, 00:05
Make a T-chart with a list of every movie made about WWII with a heavy focus on Nazis on one side, and every other war movie on the other side, and you'll see your answer.

I would love to see more movies with us as the "bad guy". Letters from Iwo Jima is one of my top three favorite war movies of all time.

Irving
02-13-2011, 00:07
I would love to see more movies with us as the "bad guy". Letters from Iwo Jima is one of my top three favorite war movies of all time.

Have you ever heard of Michael Moore or Bill Mahr? They've got a few flicks that will be right up your alley. ;)

Scanker19
02-13-2011, 00:14
Have you ever heard of Michael Moore or Bill Mahr? They've got a few flicks that will be right up your alley. ;)

Not that "bad".

Elhuero
02-13-2011, 03:47
There are many stories out there about how similar we were/are, soldiers spending Christmas together, or my favorite the story of the German fighter escorting the Crippled U.S. plane back to Britain.



I hadn't heard about it so I googled it.

fucking amazing! coolest thing I've read all month.

battle_sight_zero
02-13-2011, 08:44
I am a conservative guy who married into a liberal Jewish family. My wifes mothers side lost all of her European relatives in World War 2 (wifes mother was born in the 1930's). They have totally accepted me and are very tolerant of my views. I suspect my mother in law likes to hear my diffrent prospective on things because we can talk forever.

I remember back in 2006 I mentioned to my wife that I had found this Rune marked SS Mauser that had been made in concentration camp. Well my Birthday came around and my Mother in Law pulls me aside and hands me a check to get it. She said how it was made is an example of pure evil, however things like this (mauser) should be kept to remind people that the evil did exist. Anyways I bought that Mauser, and it sits in my collection now. Because of the words of my Mother in Law it means alot to me, and I am certain it means alot to my mother in law. To be honest when I pull out of the safe it gives me goosebumps and I feel solem when I hold it realizing how it came to be. I plan to hand this rifle to my son down the road and hopefully he will have the same feelings.

In closing I am glad we have the freedom to reenact and purchase old military gear.

battle_sight_zero
02-13-2011, 08:46
There are many stories out there about how similar we were/are, soldiers spending Christmas together, or my favorite the story of the German fighter escorting the Crippled U.S. plane back to Britain.


Anybody got a link to the above??????

sniper7
02-13-2011, 12:50
There are many stories out there about how similar we were/are, soldiers spending Christmas together, or my favorite the story of the German fighter escorting the Crippled U.S. plane back to Britain.


Anybody got a link to the above??????

this is the only one I have heard about and verified

http://youflygirl.blogspot.com/2010/02/german-fighter-escorts-crippled-b-17.html

Aloha_Shooter
02-14-2011, 02:00
I would love to see more movies with us as the "bad guy". Letters from Iwo Jima is one of my top three favorite war movies of all time.

Just take a "history" class at Boulder or Berkeley and I'm sure you would get your wish. Personally, I'm fed up with the last 20 years of agit-prop rewriting history to say how bad America is/was.

Mtn.man
02-14-2011, 09:57
I would only worry if they dressed like the French,,,LOL

CrufflerSteve
02-14-2011, 17:25
I would only worry if they dressed like the French,,,LOL

I know a real serious re-enactor. He has German, English, several US branches and Russian. (His favorite is Russian). No French. That would be a short re-enactment. Surrender before lunch.

Steve

OneGuy67
02-14-2011, 19:26
I used to be a part of the WWII Historical Re-Enactment Society here in Denver in the 80's when I was a teenager. We dressed up as 10th Mountain Div Soldiers and reenacted with German reenactors along the hogback next to what is now C-470 in the Morrison area. Great fun and I learned a lot about the units and their history from these guys.

Later, I was stationed in Germany in the Infantry and was able to actually see the areas where the battles occured. At the time (mid-80's), West Germany still had WWII pillboxes in areas, old wrecks of the Panzer tanks used for target practice and a lot of of history of the war was evident everywhere. Along the French/German boundary, they still had trenches and tours of the trench systems used in WWI and in WWII.

Shmackey
02-14-2011, 23:24
I honestly prefer that people who support the ideas that the Nazis had dress like Nazis so that you can identify your enemy.

Agreed. There's nothing like a swastika to practice sight picture.

http://cakesniffer.org/stuff/ss3.jpg

bjl913
02-15-2011, 05:41
I used to be a part of the WWII Historical Re-Enactment Society here in Denver in the 80's when I was a teenager. We dressed up as 10th Mountain Div Soldiers and reenacted with German reenactors along the hogback next to what is now C-470 in the Morrison area. Great fun and I learned a lot about the units and their history from these guys.


My pops was a member of the HRS back in the 80's, and is now the president of the 10th Mtn. Division Living History Display Group.
http://tenthmountain.org/ - The young guy in the middle of the pic on the main page is me about 4 or 5 years ago...

I grew up doing the whole reenacting thing. I havent been as involved lately as I would like to be... My father has done this my whole life, primarily the 10th Mtn stuff, and I have met alot of people from all walks of life into portraying all eras and nationalities. Honestly, There are some real freaking weirdos and nut jobs, racists and bigots out there. But I believe that applies to EVERY group of people,not just the guy in the German uniform! There are also some really good people that just want to keep the history alive from an educational standpoint. I've found that group to make up the majority of that community.

Bailey Guns
02-15-2011, 09:15
Photos of a few of the horrible Nazi artifacts I've collected:

Luftwaffe salt/pepper well:
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/German%20WWII%20Dinnerware/7ad1f50b.jpg

Luftwaffe cup/saucer:
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/German%20WWII%20Dinnerware/a2cc1004.jpg

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/German%20WWII%20Dinnerware/c47925a3.jpg

SS-marked soup bowl:
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/German%20WWII%20Dinnerware/d4befd8b.jpg

Waffen SS large mug:
http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/baileyguns/German%20WWII%20Dinnerware/d869d6d7.jpg

I have many other pieces of this plain, white ceramic mess-hall dinnerware. I don't know why it caught my fancy...just did. I didn't collect it because I believe in Naziism...rather I saw it as a part of our history...maybe even one of our greatest triumphs over evil.

I bought almost all of it off of eBay 12-14 years ago. Now it can't be sold on eBay because it's "hateful and promotes intolerant activities and ideals" according to the email I received from eBay.

Hell...I thought it just sat in a box in my basement.

Mtn.man
02-15-2011, 09:20
Had a couple different guns and an officers knife. Sold them to a collector a few years back for a Nice profit.

alxone
02-15-2011, 10:00
Wow , just read the plane story , frikin bad ass . collecting things are great , loved my Mauser with all the markings intact (had to sell it many years ago , broke my heart ) .
to answer the uniform question . Some were wearing the paratrooper uniforms but my problem were with the ones wearing the black ss uniform (yep the ss is lower case cause i dont think much of them ) . Honestly I have always had the most respect for the regular fighting man , its the fanatics I have a problem with .Being a collector myself I truly understand the desire to obtain items from all armies . And yes the german army was a good looking army but i also think my gal looks great in her dress but im not about to put that on ether. lol .
honestly i had no idea my bathroom thought would lead to so many comments .
hum....i wonder dose anybody have a Mauser with all the markings that they would be willing to trade ???? pm if you do thanks

CrufflerSteve
02-15-2011, 13:14
I do have several Israeli Mausers made on WWII German kar98k rifles. They are a great argument against gun control. Most, but not all Nazi marks were peened or ground off.

There was a friend of my father who'd been in the troops advancing into Germany who had a fancy set of China with gold marking and Nazi marks. he showed it to me when I was a kid and I said, "But you're Jewish!" He gave a very scary smile and said, "Trophies". I'm sure he would have been pleased to had Hitler's head mounted on his wall next to the deer heads. I wonder how many soldiers he encountered who never managed to surrender.

Steve