hi-point

[porfiriozg]

so here the question. how do they compare to more expensive hand guns? i saw a few under $200 new

[2008f450]

My brother in AZ had one for a short time. He was very unhappy with it. He said it would jam on a pretty regular basis. He tried different mags,ammo, 1 hand and 2 hand shooting. He got rid of it after the factory sent it back to him with the "it works fine for us" letter attached. He actualy told me that he wouldnt worry if a bad guy got that gun and pointed it at him. he was pretty sure it would not go bang. I have heard similar stories of jamming but not all first hand like my bro.

Nice signature Cheezy poofs forever

[JohnTRourke]

junk

[Birddog1911]

The only thing that I have ever heard positive about any of their firearms is that their carbines are surprisingly accurate.

[car-15]

crap

[ChunkyMonkey]

so here the question. how do they compare to more expensive hand guns?

Less

[jerrymrc]

Years ago I would say get one of those unissued bulgy Mak's for $149 but I think they are a little higher now. :)

One of the sons has a HP. Not exactly a reliable piece.

[nontactical]

If you have a $200 budget, look around and find a S&W, Ruger or newer Taurus revolver. Those are honest weapons. Can you find them everyday for that price? Nope. But if you look around you can find one.

Aside from machining and fit-and finish issues, the overall design of the Hi-Points is terribly flawed. The trigger is hideous and very inconsistent. More importantly, the bore is about three feet above the grip position, so muzzle flip is almost humorous.

[porfiriozg]

budget is a little higher thanks to the tax return. most likely getting a Taurus 24/7 in 9mm[Beer]


If you have a $200 budget, look around and find a S&W, Ruger or newer Taurus revolver. Those are honest weapons. Can you find them everyday for that price? Nope. But if you look around you can find one.

Aside from machining and fit-and finish issues, the overall design of the Hi-Points is terribly flawed. The trigger is hideous and very inconsistent. More importantly, the bore is about three feet above the grip position, so muzzle flip is almost humorous.

[xiondavis]

The only thing that I have ever heard positive about any of their firearms is that their carbines are surprisingly accurate.

My brother has a highpoint c9, and its not a horrible gun, but it is heavy and i dont like how it feels. I wouldn't trade my xd for it.

I have a highpoint 995ts 9mm carbine and I love it. I only wish it had a double stack magazine or reliable hi capacity magazine available and it was easier to clean. It an accurate little guy, and it's seriously light weight.

[SSChameleon]

Comparing a hi-point to a higher priced gun isn't fair. It's a no frills single stack mag gun. I've shot a C-9 and the 995 and liked them both, no problems with a couple hundred rounds through each.

The thing you have to remember is hi-points are like fat girls a mopeds, fun to play with but you don't want your friends to see you.

[kwando]

I've owned a 9mm before. Had a few jams, they don't recommend cleaning it at all, if i remember correctly it has a lifetime warranty.

Great for plinking, but i would not trust my life with one. I guess if it didn't fire when you needed it you could throw it at the BG... the size and weight of it will kill someone... ROFL

[theGinsue]

Don't like the hi-points myself. Too bulky, heavy and ugly.

Never shot one because of the items mentioned above so I can't comment on function from direct experience.

[spyder]

A couple of HP 9mm's were two of the first handguns I had ever had. I picked em both up for $100. All I can say about them is, what a waste of $100. [ROFL1]

[Elhuero]

if the SHTF and I was without anything I wouldn't turn one down. you get what you pay for. lower price, lower quality. but they work and will kill ya just as dead.

but the S not having H the F, if your budget is $200 save up a little longer and get a glock for around 500.

my brother had hi points and I didn't like them at all.

[BPTactical]

The couple that I have dealt with were ugly, had the ergonomics of a brick but went bang when you pulled the trigger. Cheap materials, poor tolerances etc.
Generally known as a "Thug Gun". They say the reason they are so heavy is that way they sink deep in the mud when you throw it in the river after the driveby.















better ways to waste a couple hundred bucks (.)(.)

[Tweety Bird]

We had the handgun and carbine (95 and 995 or 955 or something). Didn't shoot them much but they were hard to take down to clean. I don't remember having a lot of trouble with them but they sure aren't as pretty as my Ruger Blackhawk or my Henry Big Boy, that's for sure.

We traded both of them for a Winchester 9422.

[glock21]

better ways to waste a couple hundred bucks (.)(.)



BOOBIES

[mx'r]

BOOBIES

Oh Snap. Dont even get me thinking. I'll be wathcing money dance off the stage tonight....[Help]

[rondog]

Can't speak for the pistols, but a lot of people like them. I have a .40 and 9mm carbine for myself and the grandson, and those things are superb fun for plinking! Accurate and reliable, we have a ball with them on all kinds of targets and cans full of water. Put cheap BSA red-dots on them and they're a hoot. Only downside is having to reload the magazines for more fun.

My .40 carbine is so reliable, accurate and powerful that I wouldn't hestitate to grab it for spook chasin' duty, but I don't keep it ready for that. Other guns fill that role. The extra barrel length really gives more authority to the .40 round, and it handles full-house loads with ease. Shoots any kind of bullets too.

Yeah, they're ugly and made cheaply, but they're meant to fill a certain market niche and they do that well. They're guns for people that want/need a gun, but aren't interested in/can't afford the higher quality models. They're affordable and will do what guns are supposed to do. If they break, the company stands behind them with an excellent warranty.

As far as cleaning, all they require is a blasting-out with CLP and a quick barrel swabbing. I like the fat girl/moped comparison. Not all guns have to be high-tech, high-quality or high-priced just to have fun with. I really don't understand all the hate towards them, if you don't like them don't buy one. But there's no reason to steer people away that are interested in them, they're not that bad and will provide years of shooting fun if that's what a person wants. They work fine within their pistol caliber limitations.

[FireMoth]

Almost every single street crawling semi literate knuckle head criminal jack off i ever took down carried one. Apparently they come highly recommended by street gang members throughout the country.

For those who plan on pointing sideways at unarmed victims a few feet away, there is no substitute...

[Inconel710]

I owned a Hi Point 9mm pistol for all of six months. Jammed every time I fully loaded the magazine and every other time I down loaded it. Horrible trigger. Ergonomics of a brick and weighed twice as much.

My SIG P6 cost around $300 and it's a thousand times better gun even though it's nearly as old I am! Get a quality used gun (Beretta, SIG, Glock, S&W) instead.

[Atrain1]

I have owned Hi-points in the past and they are a good gun for the price. the reason they kick so hard is because it is a blowback design, with a big heavy slide. they do not jam like people say they do, if you keep them clean and oiled and greased properly. The only thing I realy dont like about them is you have to use a punch and a hammer to take it apart. I still own one to take with me on road trips, I trust my life and my wife and kids to the 40 I have, I know it works will enough to do what it was intended to do, I also have my feedramp polished, and if I have to use it I dont want one of my expensive guns in a police hold for 3 years, not being taking care of. If you own a Hi-point and plan on trusting your life to it I would reccomend polishing the feedramp, it does not need to be done, but it will let you use a wider variety of ammo, and less of a chance of a ftf. I am not saying they dont jam at all, but they are not crap, and all of mine I have had 2 c9 9mm, one 45 acp, and the 40 s&w I have now, I have had my 45 jam once, when I was showing it off shooting it as fast as I could pull the trigger, dropping the mags in the dirt. The gun fired fine through the first 2 or 3 times I was doing this, I think dirt got into the mag and caused a ftf once. Look on youtube at the torture test a couple guys do to a c9, it will give you a little more respect for that big brick of a Hi-point, size and looks are not the best either. but what do you expect for under 200.00. Go buy a bryco and have it blow up in your face, like mine did.

[palepainter]

I had a friend who was running a 45cal Hi Point and it blew up at a group shoot last year. I can't remember specifically what happened, but it didn't end well. He got off with a bit of shrapnel in his mouth, but his glasses kept more off of him. That is the only bad thing I have heard about the pistols.

On the other hand, I have a 9mm carbine that really is a fantastic little gun. It runs flawlessly, is pretty accurate and didn't cost that much. I have had prob 400 rounds through it.

[AirbornePathogen]

I fired the 9mm once, and it did not impress me one little bit, but you get what you pay for. IMHO, if price is a concern, save up a few more pennies and get yourself a Ruger P-series. Nothing fancy, but they work.

[rfizzle]

I did a 500+ round test on a C9 a while back:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23298

Overall:
Better than nothing
They are affordable
Good customer service
But not my choice...

On the other board I had a few hi-point fans suggest different ways to fix the jams. To me that defeats the purpose, I can buy most guns of qaulity and have no problems, no spring stretching or sending it back to get it running.

I think the biggest thing I've seen is that about half the hi-points in the world run good, and the other half don't. 50% is not too good, where most other brands are maybe 10% having issues.

I said it in the review but if someone can honestly only afford $100 for a handgun, it might be an option. But like someone said, you can pick up a decent used revolver for not much more.

[Atrain1]

Jensons has the P95 for 302.00 OTD

[SouthPaw]

I did a 500+ round test on a C9 a while back:
http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23298

Overall:
Better than nothing
They are affordable
Good customer service
But not my choice...


That was actually my old high point he did the test with. I too wanted to see what was all about and did not want to take someones word for it, so I and a friend of mine purchased them new to see what it was about. As rfizzle said the one I traded him would jam about every third mag. The other one my friend bought never jammed once in the 500 rounds we shoot through it. He was even shooting reloads. I was only able to put 200 rounds through mine before I gave up.

He was so impressed with his that he eventually bought a High Point 45. If you were to get one the 45 the way to go. I have put many rounds as well as he did without a hitch.

[leatherneck448]

My SIG P6 cost around $300 and it's a thousand times better gun even though it's nearly as old I am!

THIS ^^^^

After servicing a few of these hi-points(most of them because they "jammed too much". ha, I wonder why....), I can officially tell you that no matter how cheap they are, they are easily the biggest pieces of junk you could ever buy and/or own. The utter stupidity of the "engineers" who designed this oversized black turd of a gun had to be on crack when they drew this thing up...

Sig 225's (a.k.a. P6) are plentiful, and if you look hard enough, can be found for under 300 bucks. Most are former german PD guns, but they still shoot incredibly well, and are leaps and bounds above anything like what you were considering buying (hi-point, bryco, jennings, etc...).

I just bought a PD trade-in glock 17 for 380+shipping with one mag.
After everything (two more mags, holster, dbl. mag pouch, and an ext. mag catch) I will have about $480 into the gun, so you do the math. I basically got a glock 17 with 3 mags, holster, and mag pouches for almost 50 dollars less than what you can generally pick a new gen 3/gen 4 up for new.

Please try and search the market for something better than a hi-point. You will thank yourself later.

[Atrain1]

Like I have said I have owned 2 9mm 1 45 and the 40 I have now to take with me to California to protect me and my wife and 2 kids that I can not live without. and I have not had one jam I have alot of expensive guns I have the Hi Point for a reason, you can not compare a sig to a Hi Point it is like trying to compare a Pinto to a Cadillac. Every friend of mine and brother in law that has had one has not had a jam problem so I dont know were that is coming from but we also take really good care of our guns, you get what you pay for they stand behind there guns no matter how many hands they have been through no questions asked, how many gun companies for under 200 bucks will do that. I had a jennings 9mm that blew up in my face and a bryco 380 that also blew the slide off and it hit me in the face, neither one would fix the gun and the jennings I purchased new about 10 years ago. I think people like to talk crap about Hi Point just cause they are a inexpensive gun, when I bought my 9mm I paid 99.00 new and the 45 145.00 new and my 40 I have I paid 100.00 used how many companies for that kind of price will stand behind there product. And MKS supply makes other guns as well like the Chiappa Rhino and 1911-22, now they are big and bulky but that is because it is a 380 acp 9mm 45 acp and 40 S&W with a blowback design instead of a locked breech like those calibers should be, so it has to have a big heavy slide to safely operate, also with the fixed barrel it is more accurate my brother had my uncles old service revolver S&W 38 special I had my HP C9 we went to the range and at 75 yards I put all 8 rounds in the head he missed one, but at yards he gouped alot better than me. So from my experiance if you take care of them which really sucks to take apart you need a hammer and a punch 2 things that should not be used on a gun they run great especially if you polish the feedramp and take care of the magazines I have seen guys use 1911 magse with a little work to the mag you have to be very careful. So what I am trying to say and this is coming from a 1911 guy who is trying to become a gunsmith so I have been learning how to work on all types of guns, Hi Points are not as bad as everyone says they are if you are in front of one and the guy pulls the trigger it will shoot you. I would not carry one to protect my Family if they were so bad and jammed all the time I have seen them jam but I have also seen a Colt jam alot does that make Colt a bad gun not at all. If you want to buy a Hi Point buy one like I said if it jams like every one says I will buy it from you.

[leatherneck448]

A buddy of mine owns a Hi-point c-9, and I have had frequent problems with it every time I have shot it.

Most of the time, If I have a fully loaded magazine inserted, I will try to chamber a round, and the round simply will not feed into the chamber(as in, the nose of the bullet goes straight up into the top of the barrel hood, instead of the nose being pushed down so it will feed correctly). I have also experienced problems with the gun stovepiping on the last round in a magazine. To try and counter these problems, I have broken down and thoroughly cleaned the gun, switched mags, switched ammo, and still nothing has changed. I am operating off my experiences here, and am not saying that all are bad, but I will sure as hell never own one. If yours operates fine, then more power to you, but dont expect me to have one in my range bag.

[BPTactical]

HiPoint recently changed names.
It is now doing business as "Entitlement Arms Co."

[Atrain1]

A buddy of mine owns a Hi-point c-9, and I have had frequent problems with it every time I have shot it.

Most of the time, If I have a fully loaded magazine inserted, I will try to chamber a round, and the round simply will not feed into the chamber(as in, the nose of the bullet goes straight up into the top of the barrel hood, instead of the nose being pushed down so it will feed correctly). I have also experienced problems with the gun stovepiping on the last round in a magazine. To try and counter these problems, I have broken down and thoroughly cleaned the gun, switched mags, switched ammo, and still nothing has changed. I am operating off my experiences here, and am not saying that all are bad, but I will sure as hell never own one. If yours operates fine, then more power to you, but dont expect me to have one in my range bag. Send it in they will fix it for free

[cpapastr]

I sent my C9 back to the factory 3 times in the first year because of jamming. It still jams! One rep told me I had to use a 147 grain cartridge, which he said was the load not the bullet weight! Is their any doubt about why the gun is not dependable?

[Zombie Steve]

I bought one in '93 or '94 when I was in college. Just didn't have money for anything else. I think I bought it for $98 + tax. I think this is right when they went from being called Haskell to Hi-Point. Anyway, it was a 9mm. It was heavy, it was ugly and it was cheap, but I had no complaints about how it ran. It ate everything I ever fed it. Even got to shoot up an old Plymouth Barracuda with it.

It's been so long, I really can't comment about current production.

[gcrookston]

junk

-- no THAT is being polite.

[pepito]

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[pepito]

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3:15 best part :)
On the plus side their pritty durable, at the very least you get to have fun torture testing one.

[Mobat555]

A gun is better then no gun, there are others as people have mentioned that will cost a bit more but are reliable (sig p6's dont sell for $300 anymore or I would recommend them as they are awesome).

I have the carbine 995, enjoy shooting it, surprisingly accurate, aftermarket mags of anytime jam the crap out of it.