Shtf idea

[Obound]

This is just an idea but most people here have an idea of what we would do or where we would go if shtf. How come we dont have a location in colorado where we could all meet up if things got bad. We're all fairly like minded people. We have supplies and the skills to survive. Why truck it alone?

[StagLefty]

There's another post in survival sub forum recently that talked about the same thing. The biggest obstruction would be trust was the consensus. Except for some of the folks that have met each most of us are strictly internet buddies. [Beer]

[Great-Kazoo]

no matter who you know there will always be a few freeloaders. i did not take training, instruct others, prepare the spouse and daughter what to do if needed, so others could ride my coat tails.

Everyone here has one if not more specified trait that would benefit the whole. I'm in northern CO. why would i want to hump X hours over terrain not 100% familier to me so i can meet up with others.

If you were to ask around (quietly) you would be surprised how many "like minded" people there are within walking distance of your door.

If i had to seriously bug out those plans are in place with rely points to meet others whose stopping point is the same.

[Wulf202]

what jim said

[DeusExMachina]

Completely dependant upon situation, so lets just assume something rediculous like zombie apocalypse. At first sign, I load up my car with as much ammo, guns, food and water I can carry, make an attempt to secure the people I care about, and get somewhere remote.

Sorry, but all you Internet folks are on your own. Good luck.

[trlcavscout]

Because just like hunting camp last year within the first day everyone would eat my stash of nutter butter bars!

Also it would be harder to elude the zombies in a large group. Smaller 3-5 man teams can hide better and cause way more damage to a large force. And if you have to survive living off the land a small group is going to be easier to feed then a large group.

But after bugging out we could all meet up for a monthly brew ha fest!

[DD977GM2]

This is just an idea but most people here have an idea of what we would do or where we would go if shtf. How come we dont have a location in colorado where we could all meet up if things got bad. We're all fairly like minded people. We have supplies and the skills to survive. Why truck it alone?


Probably because most everyone wouldnt want to take orders from the other members and everyone would want to be the leader. I personally wouldnt want to e a part of that chaos. Better off on my own in my neighborhood or my BO location.

[Irving]

I wouldn't be down. Know why? Here is a comprehensive list of what I could contribute to a group:

1) I have 9 extra toothbrushes.
2) I can tie a square knot.
3) I can tell you who is at fault in an automobile accident; in most cases.
4) If your shirt sleeve rips, I can hand sew it back on for you.
5) I have 1 unopened bag of 100' of paracord, but probably would forget to bring it.
6) I have a mid level Silva compass.
7) I like to stay up late and sleep in.

[soco11]

Irving,
I am the same way--have absolutely nothing to offer to any such group. Maybe a bunch of us with no skills and talents should band together in such an event and become the little engine that could! After all, we still have our personalities. And mom always said that the personality was the most important thing!


I wouldn't be down. Know why? Here is a comprehensive list of what I could contribute to a group:

1) I have 9 extra toothbrushes.
2) I can tie a square knot.
3) I can tell you who is at fault in an automobile accident; in most cases.
4) If your shirt sleeve rips, I can hand sew it back on for you.
5) I have 1 unopened bag of 100' of paracord, but probably would forget to bring it.
6) I have a mid level Silva compass.
7) I like to stay up late and sleep in.

[patrick0685]

I can code stuff. Very important when shtf to code stuff. I can also fix a few things, but when shtf I think I'm going to take a vacation from helping people, and just leech off all the ones that owe me thousands in favors. Or perhaps eat them, I'm not certain. Either way, it's a vacation.

[LOL][ROFL3][ROFL2][ROFL1]

[theGinsue]

Probably because most everyone wouldnt want to take orders from the other members and everyone would want to be the leader. I personally wouldnt want to e a part of that chaos. Better off on my own in my neighborhood or my BO location.
"As for now, I’m in control here" - Alexander Haig, 1981; theGinsue, 2011[Tooth]

(Okay, actually... it's Roger, Marlin, foxtrot, 7idl,....)

As for skills, I can pull a coin from behind your ear and now (thanks to jerrymrc) I know how to can stuff.
And as a former web developer I can tell you the default password into gay porn sites is C : <enter> # # #



(lemme know when you get that last little bit)

[StagLefty]

[ROFL1]This went from a SHTF thread to a WTF thread-love it !!! [ROFL1]

[Fried Chicken Blowout]

How about you let everyone know where you're meeting. Then I can bring my small but well prepared and trained group and take your stuff...

That is more likely what I would see happening. My group is made of up of 5 families who's males are all like minded and dedicated, 4 of which are related in some way. I have no question about the morals of the last family so they are also in the circle of trust. There is one slacker in our group, but he and his family could be brought up to speed quick.

If your group gets too big, or you don't have a deep understanding of how each person operates and a tie other than the situation at hand you will have distrust. It will be like some bad survival movie. Skip that idea. Look within the people you know and your relatives. Then try to organize them. If their are not into shooting or survival bases stuff, then offer to train them your self... Make sure you have a good base of knowledge first. Then get them focused on what they need.

A true SHTF situation will call for some strength in numbers. But the trust and bond must be there prior to the situation. Otherwise you'll end up with your throat cut in the middle of the night...

[Beprepared]

And as a former web developer I can tell you the default password into gay porn sites is C : <enter> # # #



(lemme know when you get that last little bit)

[Love4][vomit]

[Mtn.man]

I'm a mountain Ninja. You cannot see me even when I am there.

[Daniel_187]

I would drink all the booze and read the sunday paper and cut out all the cuponds you wanted :( I suck

[TFOGGER]

I can belch the alphabet, and I'm sorta handy with a tube of superglue....

[newracer]

We at least need a secret sign to flash so we know not to shoot each other.

[trlcavscout]

We at least need a secret sign to flash so we know not to shoot each other.

Maybe we could have a dance like the crips? Maybe like a polka move, because no one else would dance like that [Beer] If you start flashing gang signs with your hands and their is no law to stop me I will [M2]

[Mtn.man]

NOT the Y M C A signals though.

[Byte Stryke]

We at least need a secret sign to flash so we know not to shoot each other.


Maybe we could have a dance like the crips? Maybe like a polka move, because no one else would dance like that [Beer] If you start flashing gang signs with your hands and their is no law to stop me I will [M2]


NOT the Y M C A signals though.



We already have a secr... Oh.....
Yeah I guess that's why you didn't know.

*Awkward*

[Roll1]





[LOL]

[CrufflerSteve]

How about the phrase "Niagara Falls" with the response "Slowly I turn".

In reality it would be hard to move. Moving people are targets. I'm sort of rural with good lines of sight to my house except on one side and the trees could be barricaded/burned. Gun, ammo & food are heavy.

Steve

[newracer]

We already have a secr... Oh.....
Yeah I guess that's why you didn't know.

*Awkward*

[Roll1]





[LOL]

[Rant1] I thought I was "in."

[StagLefty]

We at least need a secret sign to flash so we know not to shoot each other.

Marlin hasn't sent you the decoder ring yet ??? [ROFL1]

[2008f450]

How about the phrase "Niagara Falls" with the response "Slowly I turn".

In reality it would be hard to move. Moving people are targets. I'm sort of rural with good lines of sight to my house except on one side and the trees could be barricaded/burned. Gun, ammo & food are heavy.

Steve
I was thinking if that person can recite "Whos on first" front to back they were good to go.[ROFL1][ROFL1]

[68Charger]

I wouldn't be down. Know why? Here is a comprehensive list of what I could contribute to a group:

7) I like to stay up late and sleep in.

Night watchman? somebody's got to watch for zombies while the others sleep... but it's not really a -skill-

[Wulf202]

We already have a secr... Oh.....
Yeah I guess that's why you didn't know.

*Awkward*

[Roll1]





[LOL]
psshht everyone knows the secret dance move

http://www.youtube.com/embed/kLiCNS86ZYo

I've almost got it down perfect

[SA Friday]

Because just like hunting camp last year within the first day everyone would eat my stash of nutter butter bars!

Also it would be harder to elude the zombies in a large group. Smaller 3-5 man teams can hide better and cause way more damage to a large force. And if you have to survive living off the land a small group is going to be easier to feed then a large group.

But after bugging out we could all meet up for a monthly brew ha fest!

You said nutter butter[ROFL1]

[KevDen2005]

I wouldn't be down. Know why? Here is a comprehensive list of what I could contribute to a group:

1) I have 9 extra toothbrushes.
2) I can tie a square knot.
3) I can tell you who is at fault in an automobile accident; in most cases.
4) If your shirt sleeve rips, I can hand sew it back on for you.
5) I have 1 unopened bag of 100' of paracord, but probably would forget to bring it.
6) I have a mid level Silva compass.
7) I like to stay up late and sleep in.


I don't want to call you Irving...I want to call you Stuart....The group needs a comic after the Armageddon....

[Irving]

You don't have to call my Irving. That's just what my screen name is. Call me Stuart all you want.

[jerrymrc]

I just saw this and it is past my bedtime. [ROFL1][Coffee]

Tomorrow is a busy day but I will get back to Y'all on this topic. It is important but I am dying here. :)

[KevDen2005]

You don't have to call my Irving. That's just what my screen name is. Call me Stuart all you want.

STUART

[thecatsfan]

Interesting post.

As well stated already, trust is the big issue in a SHTF scenario. People are already hyper-protective of their property. Add an apocolyptic event and see the reaction when you accuse your neighbor of taking your hammer.

What I find most interesting is the perception of value. Who is a freeloader and who is not? I notice that many "tactical experts" are quick to devalue anyone who does not have military experience and tactical training. Fact is, some extremely intelligent people simply have not had that opportunity.

How many soldiers know how to make your gas generator run off wood chips? And without any plans on how to do it? I know I can and I have done it before. Value is relative.

I guess my point is any SHTF scenario will be a very interesting exercise in sociology. Most people overvalue themselves and their skills and devalue other people. The less you know someone, the less value they have. Strangers hold abolutely no value until they can offer some special reason to have value.

Imagine this. Two complete strangers walk up to your encampment basically empty handed. One says he is a doctor and the other says he is a lawyer. Chances are you will let the doctor in and turn the lawyer away. Why? Perceived value. For all you know the doctor doesn't have a license and just escaped from a minimum-security facility where he was serving time for malpractice, but the word doctor gives him instant value. On the other hand the word lawyer has a strong negative value, even though the lawyer might have grown up on a farm and have extensive practical skills that you need. He might even have military experience or other practical knowledge.

Again my point is value is relative. And true value is rarely what we perceive.

Read "The Unthinkable" by Amanda Ripley. An interesting non-fiction discussion of who actually survives disasters and why. It's rarely the big strong macho guy who claims superiority. It's far more often the quiet school teacher or the garbage truck driver who surprise you.

[KevDen2005]

I think I attempted to point out this leadership issue in a previous post on another thread...wherever that may be now.

I think there are a lot of Type A personalities on here and figuring out how to function, probably very similar to a tribe, which will most likely be less democratic they any of us would like, is the key. Figuring out who will lead is important.

I don't feel that i would scratch out anyone because of a lack of tactical experience. Example: One of my best friends in the entire world for nearly 20 years is extremely intelligent. We went separate directions after high school, me army and him majoring in linguistics in college. He, in my opinion, has the word victim written all over him (You would have to know him). I wouldn't leave him behind just because a lack of tactical experience. It is important to note that the people that band together the more likely of the entire groups survival. Between things that need to be built, maintained, hunted, etc. People will all be given tasks and the people that don't know will be taught by both training and experience. The more everyone knows before hand the better as well.

I don't feel like I got the impression that "free-loader" was used as a person lacking tactical experience, but rather a "free-loader" who will contribute nothing and disown you when you run out. I would almost highly doubt that anyone on here would be one of these "free-loaders" even if they said they would be. That is the funny thing about like minded people, in my opinion.

These again, my thoughts....

[thecatsfan]

And my thoughts are not isolated to the posts on this board. When I mention the term freeloader, I may have seen it in a post here, but I know that also be reacting to opinions I see in other forums as well. I agree that most of the people here are similar minded and I doubt any of them are freeloaders either.

And I don't mean to imply that I truly know how people here feel about these issues. We react to a few words without really knowing each other or our true mindsets. And to be honest, the comments about freeloaders are very valid. If SHTF, I already know that all of my in-laws are going to be on my doorstep begging. And tmost of them bring nothing to the group except another mouth to feed. I am slowly preparing my wife for the fact that even if we have food and nobody esle does, to feed everyone who asks is suicide.

I saw one comment for example, and I am not sure if it was even on this thread. The poster said something like "just tell us where you are going to bug out to so my well trained and prepared little group can come and take all your stuff." This poster may have been joking, or very well may not have been. I don't know.

But I know there are more than a few people out there who actually think this way. And frankly, I think these types of people are in for a very short and rude existence when SHTF. If you go looking for a fight, you will find it. And it won't take long for to find some better who is prepared to stop you. Besides, if you truly are well prepared, you will have a full time job on your hands to protect and defend your own stuff and no time to go out trying to take stuff from others.

Anyway, I just find some of the preceptions I read very interesting. Many of them are probably taken out of true context and not as bad as they sound in a forum.

Personally, I am convincing a few of my hillbilly cousins who moved out here from Kentucky to come join our group. Many of them grew up in the Appalachians and didn't even have electricity or running water until they were adults. They grew up hunting, cooking and eating anything that could breathe. My dad grew up the same way. He learned more in his childhood than the army ever taught him. And most of what I know about camping and surviving I learned from him.

[a98kdoc]

Bring your own stuff kinda like 21'cen fur trader rondevues.

Im a gunsmith so i'm good a truck that runs after an EMP and a colman stove.

(but lets not do a mad max theme thing)
A

[funkfool]

(but lets not do a mad max theme thing)
A
Yeah... 'cause that's what we did at the last TEOTWAWKI.... Boooring.
[ROFL1]

[BREATHER]

These types of posts are entertaining. That being said with all do repect. All my relatives and my wifes relatives live 1900 miles away so they are on their own. Here it is just me and her and maybe the widder lady behind us iffn such a scenerio develops. And of course our dogs.

It's not that any of us here are wierd, we just got a "we know whats going on around us" way of thinking. There may never be a SHTF stuff. But the natural disaster or weather related misshaps are the reality.

Funny story,,, My wife started thinking about SHTF scenerios and I don't know why. She doesn't read any of these forums that I go to. But she has gotten into a self suffient mind set. She's looking for wilderness properties, solar, geothermal , composting toilets etc. Maybe it was a Vulken mind meld....

[Seamonkey]

Depending on the situation of course...

If you aren't moving around and have some sort of camp/base then people who may not be able to hunt/fish/build a camp fire can provide support in a lot of other aspects. Chopping wood, sewing clothes, preparing food, and stand watch at night for example. In the real world those little ankle bitter dogs aren't much use in a fight yet they can bark to sound the alarm.


Even the elite military units rely on team work. You can be the baddest mofo in the state with super ninja mountain skills but you have to sleep sometime. What if you are the one that slips or falls and breaks an ankle?

As mentioned trust is the biggest issue.

[FireMoth]

Easy: Hide behind JetSiphon

That, and figuring out how to keep otter pops frozen without electricity are my plan, in broad strokes.

[StagLefty]

Easy: Hide behind JetSiphon


Damnit that was my plan-move over [ROFL1]

[KevDen2005]

Depending on the situation of course...

If you aren't moving around and have some sort of camp/base then people who may not be able to hunt/fish/build a camp fire can provide support in a lot of other aspects. Chopping wood, sewing clothes, preparing food, and stand watch at night for example. In the real world those little ankle bitter dogs aren't much use in a fight yet they can bark to sound the alarm.


Even the elite military units rely on team work. You can be the baddest mofo in the state with super ninja mountain skills but you have to sleep sometime. What if you are the one that slips or falls and breaks an ankle?

As mentioned trust is the biggest issue.

Indeed, teams are important. Even extremely small groups will get stressed out as not having enough people to have security watches, etc. For all those that have been in the military everyone knows that SOF work in teams, but also rely on teams of support for them to accomplish their missions

[johngraves2]

If you were to ask around (quietly) you would be surprised how many "like minded" people there are within walking distance of your door. .

I agree, you can easly tell who thinks the way you do. Do they have a slightly modified off road vehicle? do they have a few "out door" stickers on that vehicle? Do they have any hunting related stickers on their car? what about large deliveries from cabelas or places like that? do they go hiking/camping a lot, but are not hippies?

of course people can like all those things and not care about being prepared, but it is also a conversation starter and you can find out more that way.

I know my neighboor two houses up has a very nice jeep, deisel truck, and is a huge fan of hunting, i think he and i could get along if shtf.

[KevDen2005]

I agree, you can easly tell who thinks the way you do. Do they have a slightly modified off road vehicle? do they have a few "out door" stickers on that vehicle? Do they have any hunting related stickers on their car? what about large deliveries from cabelas or places like that? do they go hiking/camping a lot, but are not hippies?

of course people can like all those things and not care about being prepared, but it is also a conversation starter and you can find out more that way.

I know my neighboor two houses up has a very nice jeep, deisel truck, and is a huge fan of hunting, i think he and i could get along if shtf.

Well it does seem like I am seeing more and more people on this site from the Aurora area, but I don't know for sure if you guys are on my street or not....where is everyone?!

[johngraves2]

Well it does seem like I am seeing more and more people on this site from the Aurora area, but I don't know for sure if you guys are on my street or not....where is everyone?!

they are all around you....just waiting for shtf. thats why they make thier move![M2]

[Mick-Boy]

Well it does seem like I am seeing more and more people on this site from the Aurora area, but I don't know for sure if you guys are on my street or not....where is everyone?!

If it was me, and I was looking for a group (either one already established or starting one of my own) of like minded individuals/families, I'd keep an eye on this section of the forum.

I'd pay attention to who lives in my area and posts good info.

I'd send out a couple of PMs to those people and see if we were approaching this problem from a similar mindset.

That may lay a foundation to build on.

Just a thought.

[2008f450]

If it was me, and I was looking for a group (either one already established or starting one of my own) of like minded individuals/families, I'd keep an eye on this section of the forum.

I'd pay attention to who lives in my area and posts good info.

I'd send out a couple of PMs to those people and see if we were approaching this problem from a similar mindset.

That may lay a foundation to build on.

Just a thought.


That idea was propossed in another tread here and the general thought was it wont happen