View Full Version : stupid pot shops, what the sh*t
so was driving around and started counting pot shops (mmj dispensaries) and realized that there are more of them than Mc Donald's and starbucks combined (gross) . It kinda got me thinking and mad at the same time .
So let me get this straight , the laws get tougher on guns and ammo but a bunch of stinking liberal hippy drug addicts can have all the drugs they want ???? Honestly it sickens me to see all the pot stores and the money that is dumped into the legal system over this . Mean while I cant get a cop to respond in less than 4 hours to a crime in my neighborhood , schools in the city are not getting the funding they need , and every other block i see someone my age or younger holding a "please help , will work for food " sign . What the shit , wheres all the tax money from these drugs go?? cause it sure is not helping out the community????
thanks for letting me rant a little
ghettodub
02-22-2011, 10:59
I think we need to legalize weed and tax the hell out of it. Solution to our debt problems...
Zundfolge
02-22-2011, 11:10
The whole "Medical" MJ thing is a farce.
The problem is that the Federal Government needs to reclassify Marijuana as a Class II Narcotic so that LEGITIMATE doctors could prescribe it and LEGITIMATE pharmacies could fill those prescriptions.
Instead we have this BS system of "Medical" MJ where 99.9% of the "patients" are just potheads that have figured out how to game the system and get their recreational pot legally.
It undermines the legitimacy of the law and frankly doesn't do anything to eliminate the REAL problems associated with drug use and the illicit drug trade.
Either make it a real, legitimate prescribable pharmaceutical (like morphine or vicodin) or just legalize it and let people buy it for recreational use like alcohol. But lets end the silliness.
kidicarus13
02-22-2011, 11:13
I think we need to legalize weed and tax the hell out of it. Solution to our debt problems...
It might as well be legal because many doctors will write you a Rx for it. And the state does collect $ from these shops.
It might as well be legal because many doctors will write you a Rx for it. And the state does collect $ from these shops.
but where dose that money go ??? it sure it not going to safer, cleaner neighborhoods . or to educate children . make new parks ect . it just seems like all the drug money is wasted . So now we get drugs and revenue thrown in our face and nothing changes except now there are a few less people for the cops to arrest ??? i call bull sh*t .treat it like booze sounds like the best plan so far .
DeusExMachina
02-22-2011, 11:19
I don't do drugs of any kind, but I laughed at calling pot smokers "drug addicts".
It might as well be legal because many doctors will write you a Rx for it. And the state does collect $ from these shops.
This.
ghettodub
02-22-2011, 11:19
I think it should be like alcohol though: at 21, you can buy it from a store.
Less health risks than alcohol, and this crap that it's a gateway drug is bullshit. Alcohol is a much bigger gateway. You won't meet a stone who smokes weed and then thinks "hey man, some coke would be awesome for my buzz". Weed leads to snacks and building projects...
Drunks do that...And as a recovering drunk, I know the alcohol world better than most...
I don't do drugs of any kind, but I laughed at calling pot smokers "drug addicts".
I'll admit, I tried it twice in my youth. Didn't do a damn thing for me. Hell, I didn't even get the munchies. I feel ripped off. [LOL]
DeusExMachina
02-22-2011, 11:26
I'll admit, I tried it twice in my youth. Didn't do a damn thing for me. Hell, I didn't even get the munchies. I feel ripped off. [LOL]
I never even tried it. Never cared to. Maybe I missed out? [LOL]
My friend smokes daily, like a couple puffs at a time. Its pretty similar to how I drink a beer on occasion.
I used to be vehemently anti-drug, but I also used to be anti-gun (grew up in Massachuass). Age and experience just opens your eyes to reality, I have found.
Coke, meth, heroin, etc. use still gives me the willies and I think for good reason.
I think the war on drugs is a waste of life, money and time. Its not like people will start doing meth because its legal, and if they do...well, thank you Darwin.
kidicarus13
02-22-2011, 11:31
I know the state uses most of the $ it collects to "regulate" the shops. I agree though, where's the social benefit?
Not really, going off my opinion.
Other than dealing with the brain dead ones who smoke it. I have no real problem with it.
Having been in the position of dealing with heavy drinkers and heavy smokers over the years, Both have the attention span of a nat. But at least with the drinkers, at least it's a little easier to "fill the memory gaps" of the previous day.
Ehhh, sometimes anyway.
but where dose that money go ??? it sure it not going to safer, cleaner neighborhoods . or to educate children . make new parks ect . it just seems like all the drug money is wasted . So now we get drugs and revenue thrown in our face and nothing changes except now there are a few less people for the cops to arrest ??? i call bull sh*t .treat it like booze sounds like the best plan so far .
I have some friends that work in the industry(but do not partake), and abide by ALL of the state regs, including sales taxes. Many of these dispensaries operate in violation of state law, including hours of operation (10am to 7pm only), proximity to other dispensaries, proximity to schools, lack of security, etc. The state is slowly cracking down on these violators, but they have only 16 enforcement officers to regulate the hundreds of dispensaries.
I agree, legalize and regulate like alcohol or tobacco(but not firearms).
Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency....
I don't do drugs of any kind, but I laughed at calling pot smokers "drug addicts".
I smoked a couple times during high school, but I couldn't get around the "high" feeling that everyone else liked so much. I just didn't like it. However calling pot a drug and trying to make it into such a bad substance I think is a joke. (Drug: any substance having psychological effects, such as a narcotic, stimulant, or hallucinogenic agent, especially habit-forming and addictive substances.) Pot is as much a drug as alcohol, actually less in my opinion. Alcohol has a lot more side affects to it than marajuana, you also can't die from smoking too much. I'm not advocating to have a bunch of dumb ass pot heads running around giggling at everything like retards, just saying. Pot is just the new "in" thing to do, sooner or later it will just be a normal thing like alcohol. I think something like 30% of the profits of those places goes to taxes, where the taxes go, I have no idea. The crap is so easy to get it isn't even funny, when I hurt my ankle, the second doc I went to asked if I would like a prescription for it to help. What a joke.
Alcohol, tobacco, and firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency....
[ROFL1] I like that! [Beer]
But I'm sick bro *cough* *cough*
I used to be vehemently anti-drug, but I also used to be anti-gun (grew up in Massachuass)..
Hey, Waltham guy here. . . . although never anti-gun
I can say that as a business it's been good for Colorado. It generates jobs, tax dollars, and some REAL GOOD business people are coming out of the industry. I have a couple "medicinal bakeries" that I sell normal bakery items to (the add their pot somewhere in the baking process). And these are VERY SHARP business people.
I will admit that 85-92 are a blur to me. If I could find it, I tried it. . . a friend's death by overdose (combo of herion and cocaine) really woke me up. Pot wasn't a "gateway" for me, it was something that other kids had that I could do socially while I looked for harder stuff.
I have 2 daughters (age 8 and 9) and I do wonder if the easy access here in Colorado will have them "experiment" earlier and more often. In fact my 9 year old had a D.A.R.E. officer at school a couple weeks ago talking about drugs and stuff. That evening at dinner, she asked both my wife and I if we ever felt pressure or tried drugs. My wife lied (she smoked pot maybe 10 times in her life, nothing else). I found it an opportunity to teach from my mistakes. We talked about my friend, a cousin I had (also ODed), my brother who barely has a brain cell because he's always high (even at 40) and how lucky I was that I didn't die too. . .
sorry if I took this off topic
Great-Kazoo
02-22-2011, 13:01
The whole "Medical" MJ thing is a farce.
The problem is that the Federal Government needs to reclassify Marijuana as a Class II Narcotic so that LEGITIMATE doctors could prescribe it and LEGITIMATE pharmacies could fill those prescriptions.
Instead we have this BS system of "Medical" MJ where 99.9% of the "patients" are just potheads that have figured out how to game the system and get their recreational pot legally.
It undermines the legitimacy of the law and frankly doesn't do anything to eliminate the REAL problems associated with drug use and the illicit drug trade.
Either make it a real, legitimate prescribable pharmaceutical (like morphine or vicodin) or just legalize it and let people buy it for recreational use like alcohol. But lets end the silliness.
well said. the down side is the feds would have their money fix cut off and well all know what happens when the feds don't get their slice of the pie.
Oddly enough.. I was just hearing from a denver dist judge about how many cases they have tying up their docket. Sellers, vs growers, growers vs seed holders.. blah blah blah..
DeusExMachina
02-22-2011, 13:42
Hey, Waltham guy here. . . . although never anti-gun
Melrose here...
I left when I graduated high school. I think mostly the schools drilled the anti-gun message.
Zundfolge
02-22-2011, 14:35
well said. the down side is the feds would have their money fix cut off and well all know what happens when the feds don't get their slice of the pie.
Not really, there is already a federal excise tax on schedule II prescription narcotics. They're not collecting that tax now with it being a schedule I (completely illegal) drug.
Ranger353
02-22-2011, 14:49
The whole "Medical" MJ thing is a farce.
The problem is that the Federal Government needs to reclassify Marijuana as a Class II Narcotic so that LEGITIMATE doctors could prescribe it and LEGITIMATE pharmacies could fill those prescriptions.
Instead we have this BS system of "Medical" MJ where 99.9% of the "patients" are just potheads that have figured out how to game the system and get their recreational pot legally.
It undermines the legitimacy of the law and frankly doesn't do anything to eliminate the REAL problems associated with drug use and the illicit drug trade.
Either make it a real, legitimate prescribable pharmaceutical (like morphine or vicodin) or just legalize it and let people buy it for recreational use like alcohol. But lets end the silliness.
+1. The response from the civil liberty fools is that it would then be inaccessible to the people that need it. What?!!! [Help]
I believe making it a Class II Substance also makes it non-taxable.
The dirty little secret is that the politicians want it legal because of the tax revenue potential (no pun intended) and the easy accessibility ensures a sustained and growing tax base.
The short version: People are going to smoke dope regardless of the law.
Colorado's MMJ law actually frees up police and court resources, as they no longer feel compelled to charge/prosecute/plea bargain someone for having a small amount for personal use. As illegal drugs go, marijuana is pretty benign (not entirely, but the same could be said for alcohol, tobacco, or fast food). Yes, there does need to be regulation, as with most other potentially detrimental substances, but probably not more so than with alcohol. What most people don't realize is that marijuana was made illegal not because of it's potential as a drug, but rather because of lobbying by the cotton industry, which saw hemp as a threat. They proceeded to demonize MJ, and put out some overdramatic propaganda in the 1920s and 30s (Reefer Madness! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE) ).
Yes there are a lot of people that shouldn't smoke dope, just as there are a lot of people that shouldn't drink, shouldn't own guns, or shouldn't consume caffeine. Allowing for that, why should the .gov continue to spend $100B every year to fight it, when it could be a significant source of tax income?
Zundfolge
02-22-2011, 15:08
Aside from the federal excise taxes on Schedule II narcotics (I realize I mis-spoke ... er ... typed before and said Class II when I meant Schedule II) there's also the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937)
The federal government will actually benefit from reclassifying MJ ... but the problem is political. Too many Drug Warriors on both the left and right. Frankly I could care less about the legalization of these stupid drugs, I just want to see the drug war and the unconstitutional methods used to fight it done away with.
trlcavscout
02-22-2011, 15:27
Hey I know! Legalize it, grow it here and put the cartels out of business which would also end a lot of violence. Wait that makes to much sense for the gobment to figure out. It is a joke anyone can get a prescription.
Maybe they could use the tax money from that to pay all the welfare for the people buying it? I know not all mmj users are on welfare, just half.
I'm high right now[Neene2]
...I know not all mmj users are on welfare, just half.
[Pop] [Pepsi]
The Government really has no business regulating Marijuana, or taxing it. We are adults and should be able to smoke what we please.
These bullshit mala prohibita crimes are complete bullshit.
For full disclosure I don't even like the smell of Marijuana, and I am not interested in smoking or selling or getting an RX for it.
Cameron
ha!
I do the same. I keep saying "schedule II", not Class II.
Maybe it is just the tax season with "Schedule" A,B,C,and more.....
Aside from the federal excise taxes on Schedule II narcotics (I realize I mis-spoke ... er ... typed before and said Class II when I meant Schedule II) there's also the 1937 Marihuana Tax Act. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937)
The federal government will actually benefit from reclassifying MJ ... but the problem is political. Too many Drug Warriors on both the left and right. Frankly I could care less about the legalization of these stupid drugs, I just want to see the drug war and the unconstitutional methods used to fight it done away with.
Trying to regulate things for social good, only works for the people in power who want the change.
Deregulate life and let us get on with it.
Zundfolge
02-22-2011, 17:07
Trying to regulate things for social good, only works for the people in power who want the change.
Deregulate life and let us get on with it.
"Social Good" is like "Social Justice" ... it has no place in a free society and is more often than not simply a pretext for more government control over the people.
never tried it, but don't really have a problem with it either way. just needs to be used in moderation like anything else.
I'm more disgusted by Payday loan store fronts than MMJ dispensaries.
I'm high right now[Neene2]
heh bullshit~
heh bullshit~
You're right cause my stash ran out last night. Gotta go hit up the local corner store[Tooth]
Where some of the money goes. I remembered this article from the paper.
http://www.denverpost.com/legislature/ci_15873063
John
I think pot should be fully legalized and shouldn't be taxed any more than milk. The government doesn't deserve a God damned cent more of taxes, from anything.
I think pot should be fully legalized and shouldn't be taxed any more than milk. The government doesn't deserve a God damned cent more of taxes, from anything.
see I like that, but unfortunately the libfucks don't think like that and want to tax the shit out of things we love like guns and ammo. something guaranteed by the constitution shouldn't be taxed IMO, yet they are.
I support not taxing as well as legalizing, but since I don't smoke it, can't smoke it, and don't want to smoke it, I would be perfectly fine with taxing the hell out of it, as long as every cent goes to schools, reducing gas tax, or state income tax. something everyone can benefit from.
I'm more disgusted by Payday loan store fronts than MMJ dispensaries.
THIS! I cringe every time I see a Rent-A-Center.
I support not taxing as well as legalizing, but since I don't smoke it, can't smoke it, and don't want to smoke it, I would be perfectly fine with taxing the hell out of it, as long as every cent goes to schools, reducing gas tax, or state income tax. something everyone can benefit from.
I don't smoke it either. I'd like to have a real job again as soon as possible. Not that it ever stopped any of the other professionals I ever worked with.
Taxing it is total BS. If you send all the money to schools, it (the money) probably wouldn't be spent appropriately anyway.
Like others have said already, all these laws are a total joke. The government wants its slice of the pie and they won't have it any other way. Also, if you can grow it yourself, then you wouldn't "need" anyone (overseen by the government of course), to do give it to you. The government seems to be steadfastly against ANY type of individual independence.
pickenup
02-22-2011, 23:22
Legalize it?
Tax it?
Looks like, it already IS, and they already DO.
From John123's link....$10 MILLION dollars from fees last year.
From the link below....(estimated) 1/2 MILLION dollars in sales taxes last year, and that is JUST Boulder.
And the pot business is growing exponentially.
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/ci_16391813
Ya, so it is still not legal "federally" yet. Do you really think the states and cities are going to let this cash cow go?
I wonder how those people in prison, serving a MANDATORY multi-year sentence feel. For doing the same thing MANY are doing now, which is (more or less) "technically" legal, now that the government is getting their cut.
sneakerd
02-22-2011, 23:28
Hey man, I really neeeed my medicine. Solid.
I don't smoke it either. I'd like to have a real job again as soon as possible. Not that it ever stopped any of the other professionals I ever worked with.
Taxing it is total BS. If you send all the money to schools, it (the money) probably wouldn't be spent appropriately anyway.
Like others have said already, all these laws are a total joke. The government wants its slice of the pie and they won't have it any other way. Also, if you can grow it yourself, then you wouldn't "need" anyone (overseen by the government of course), to do give it to you. The government seems to be steadfastly against ANY type of individual independence.
totally agree. but if it was taxed, how would you suggest it be spent?
theGinsue
02-22-2011, 23:42
I never even tried it. Never cared to.
Same here. Used to swear to that while still in the military and not once did the comment go by where people didn't look at me with an expression that screamed "liar".
Just never has a desire to try it and hated the smell of others using it (it used to get smoked on my Jr. High school bus - driver allowed it since the kids were HIS source for it.)
totally agree. but if it was taxed, how would you suggest it be spent?
I wouldn't. I honestly have no input to where taxes that shouldn't exist should go. I'd probably say that they shouldn't be specially selected, and where ever the rest of the corporate taxes go. I think it is a poor idea to select a tax on a certain product, to pay for a specific something or other else. Although, I DID vote on the casino change and am loving the new operating of the local casinos.
theGinsue
02-22-2011, 23:51
ITaxing it is total BS. If you send all the money to schools, it (the money) probably wouldn't be spent appropriately anyway.
+1 this.
In Missouri, when they were debating the whole "riverboat gambling" and lottery thing, the proponents kept telling us how all of the revenue generated by these things in the state would go to education; and it does - every penny.
What they DIDN'T tell us is that for every $1 in gambling/lottery revenues going to education, there would be $1 less of the other state revenues (taken in as education taxes!) going to education. It started being re-directed to other programs and was eventually permanently redesignated for other programs. The school revenues started to become almost soley from the gambling/lottery proceeds.
Since the people of MO knew the schools were getting gambling/lottery money they continually rejected any revenue increases for schools - in fact, the budgets started getting cut once the gambling fever went down and there wasn't as much revenue being drawn in from those endeavors.
So, those new revenues which were supposed to help the schools ended up hurting them.
I expect the same sort of thing will happen here in CO with the MMJ revenues.
Just sayin.
I think MMJ dispenseries will reach critical mass soon and some will start dieing off. On of my high school buddies was telling me that it is getting harder to get a card they are starting to crack down. It is not nearly as old west as it was a year ago.
It's a fucking joke. "70 Flavors of therapy" or similar is what the big head shop on Platte advertises on a large sign.
If the cameras are rolling the media will wheel out a harmless older patient to point at, but anyone with some brain cells left knows that is just spin. Any discussion of medical efficacy is wasted on the general public by now.
Pot is now just another tool for keeping politicians in power.
Who cares if schools are failing and crime is rampant, it's the first of the month and Barry's "prescription" has been refilled! Stop by the unemployment office to pick up some complimentary rolling papers and test drive the Chevy Volt! Se habla espanol
BPTactical
02-23-2011, 10:36
You know I heard the other day that "drugged driving" busts were up this year compared to last. How many of these were "Medicinal Patients? The state has created quite a conundrum for themselves and the whole MMJ thing. You want to collect taxes but it is still illegal at a Fed level. A MMJ card is not a prescription but a "recommendation" by a Dr. Big legal difference there. If people are getting popped on blood tests and urinaylisis for being "Under the Influence" how are the results quantified? MJ is not like alcohol where you have a "threshold limit" and a given timefra$me for usage. Somebody could partake in MJ usage and still piss hot up to 30 days later-looong after the effects are gone. Does that meet "Under the Influence" criteria?
I say legalize and regulate as is done with alcohol.
Fact-over history one of the largest opponents to legalization of pot has been the liquor industry. Think of the billions the alkys would lose............
Byte Stryke
02-23-2011, 11:04
You know I heard the other day that "drugged driving" busts were up this year compared to last. How many of these were "Medicinal Patients? The state has created quite a conundrum for themselves and the whole MMJ thing. You want to collect taxes but it is still illegal at a Fed level. A MMJ card is not a prescription but a "recommendation" by a Dr. Big legal difference there. If people are getting popped on blood tests and urinalysis for being "Under the Influence" how are the results quantified? MJ is not like alcohol where you have a "threshold limit" and a given timeframe for usage. Somebody could partake in MJ usage and still piss hot up to 30 days later-looong after the effects are gone. Does that meet "Under the Influence" criteria?
I say legalize and regulate as is done with alcohol.
Fact-over history one of the largest opponents to legalization of pot has been the liquor industry. Think of the billions the alkys would lose............
Thats the whole point, they would have to have a blood test, Fat cells will hold and release the THC over time, but if it is in your bloodstream over a certain level you are under the influence.
I agree though, Legalize, regulate it and tax it at the same ration as cigarettes.
I think we are at 800% now?
Lex_Luthor
02-23-2011, 11:12
Just legalize pot and illegalize ([Abused] lol) cigarettes. Even with a lesser tax rate than cigarettes, the state would still be raking it in.
patrick0685
02-23-2011, 11:25
I think we need to legalize weed and tax the hell out of it. Solution to our debt problems...
+1
Byte Stryke
02-23-2011, 11:38
Of course with the tax and spend mentality of our government officials we would not reduce our debt with the funds but instead spend it on another bridge that goes nowhere.
Fuel taxes are at ~46 cents/gal or roughly 1/6 cost. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax#United_States)
How many Millions of gallons do we buy everyday?
I Stand corrected on the cigarette taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_taxes_in_the_United_States)
the highest rate in the nation?
NY at $5.85/pack in TAX
didn't we leave his Majesty's empire for a reason like this?
Just sayin
I Stand corrected on the cigarette taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_taxes_in_the_United_States)
the highest rate in the nation?
NY at $5.85/pack in TAX
didn't we leave his Majesty's empire for a reason like this?
Just sayin
Yes we did. To even suggest that we "tax the hell" out of anything, is treasonous.
At least in 1933 the government was smart enough to figure out that prohibition does not work.
Legalize it. Tax it. Move on.
As far as driving while impaired, I don't see a difference between alcohol, pain killers or marijuana.
I'll be interested to see how many dispensaries are around in a couple of years, once the newness wears off.
I Stand corrected on the cigarette taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette_taxes_in_the_United_States)
the highest rate in the nation?
NY at $5.85/pack in TAX
didn't we leave his Majesty's empire for a reason like this?
Just sayin
I'm kind of surprised how low Colorado's are in comparison, probably not for long though...
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