how does everybody afford these things

[loki993]

ok, i see everybody on these sites talking about their MGs. how do you guys pay for them? id love to get one but theres not i could ever pay 12-18k for an MG. so is there a way to do it thats relitavly less expensive, already pretty sure this is a no, you guys just save for ever, financing, or are just rolling in the dough. like i said id love to have one, but there no way i could afford it and even if i could theres no way i could justify it. i might be able to swing a mac one day, last i checked they were around 3-4k.

[HunterCO]

It's called priorities look at all the money people spend on things. People will spend 20+K on a Harley, 30+K on a car ect. If you want one bad enough you will find a way. No there is no way to get them cheap as a civilian.

You could get your FFL/SOT then buy cheap post samples but this requires a demo letter from an LE agency. You also must actually do business if you simply get the SOT for the sake of just buying cheap post samples ATF will bust your butt for tax evasion.

I am far from rolling in the dough I just wanted one bad enough I found a way. I don't regret it one bit either. [postal]

[RYAN50BMG]

What Hunter CO said. NFA is not a cheap hobby. For me it was just the next step, but in case you were wondering, I,m not an "impulse" gun buyer(ok, there was that SOCOM 16 :mrgreen: ) I usually plan and save for a while cause I know what I want (cough**PS90**cough). Now that I have an M-16, my next MG is a LONG way off, but would not rule out a few more suppressors or SBR guns. Don't worry, one day you will be like me and Hunter CO and wish you ONLY spent 600$ on a new gun. In the meantime, I,m sure that Hunter CO and I can be sweet talked into letting you shoot our stuff (and Karl and his UZI, we'll never hear the end of it if I don't mention it [poke] ). Ryan

[loki993]

just checking guns america, it seems prices may have come down a tiny bit?? i saw some mp5 for around 18K which i thought they were going for over 20k a year or 2 ago, dont know may just saw some expensive ones. i would like a m16 or an mp5, both would be ideal, but who knows. it still seems like a m10/m11 is the easiest and cheapest way to get into the fun they seem to be right under 4k. does anybody finance these things or do youi just have to save and pay cash?? i am a long way off from either but someday i will have at least one NFA fire arm, just because i can and they would be loads of fun.

[MuzzleFlash]

Yes they are expensive. It makes me sick to see how much the Thompsons are. I'll probably never get one. However, the flip side is that they have appreciated very well as investments. I believe they made Forbes' top five list.

Here's a very annoying link containing prices from yesteryear: http://www.blackrivermilitaria.com/annoy.html :cry:

If funds are tight, you might want to get your C&R FFL. It costs $30 and is good for 3 years. As a collector's license, it allows you certain privileges to transfer old and/or collectable firearms interstate. The FFL paperwork is minimal compared to traditional dealer or manufacturer FFLs. It also allows you to directly buy and transfer interstate NFA guns from the C&R list. This will save you one of the two $200 taxes when the outs-of-state seller is not an FFL. It will aways save the hassle and expense of using the services of an in-state Class 3 dealer.

I bought a Reising Model 50 SMG a couple of years back for $2800 from a guy in MD. Today, that gun's worth about $4K. Because I have a C&R FFL, It came to my door. As a C&R, you still have to go through the CLEO signoff and FP cards to do the transfer. Hopefully the copy of the FFL you send in with the F4's will make the sheriff more comfortable about signing.

I know of one fella in another state that couldn't get a CLEO cert but was able to put his C&R FFL in his business' name. Cool.

Good luck and don't wait too long.

[loki993]

do people give you grief when you take them shooting, because as far as i know most people think there completly banned, or do they just stare in awe :)

[bluker1]

do people give you grief when you take them shooting, because as far as i know most people think there completly banned, or do they just stare in awe :)

Damn I never get any grief when I go shooting although the Sheriff has been asking when am I going to drive through town with the M2HB mounted on my Hummer:) That will be after the Ft. Morgan shoot...

alan

[HunterCO]

do people give you grief when you take them shooting, because as far as i know most people think there completly banned, or do they just stare in awe :)

Do you really think anybody is going to give somebody grief who is holding a fully automatic weapon. :mrgreen:

Some people will give the the holy crap look some dont care. One time some yuppie bitch called the sheriffs dept. on me at one of the St. Vrain shoots last summer. Deputies were cool as hell and super nice guys I have never had any problems.

Alan

Let me know when and where I will bring the camera for some priceless pics. [roll]

[MuzzleFlash]

I only got grief once. A C2 SOT friend and I were shooting some subguns and evaluating a couple of cans he brought with him. Along comes one of those self-righteous know-it-alls full of P&V. He starts out by saying if it was up to him these guns would be legal but then he goes on to tell us how we're jeopardizing the range, how ATF agents are everywhere and a high profile arrest could shut them down, yada, yada.

I was nice and explained the law to him, even showed him what a Form 4 looks like (my home address has a sticker over it). He settled down some. I offered him a chance to dump a mag, but he still wasn't all the way convinced and declined.

My friend thought I should have told him to F-off, but that doesn't help the cause. There's already too many "No FA" ranges in this country. Where does this rift between the "Elmer Fudds" and the NFA junkies come from anyhow? Can't we all just get along :)

[MuzzleFlash]

Oh, by far the most common responses are "Cool!".

I think people with Title 2 toys should consider being ambassadors to the rest of the pro-gun community. If for no other reason than to keep up our defense to the gun-grabbers.

My first Title 2 (NFA) gun was a NIB Vector Uzi. I had shot one that belonged to a friend many times. But I felt like a kid at Christmas when I got the phone call from the dealer. Muhahahaha!! I grabbed a case of ammo and all the mags and accessories I'd collected during the six month transfer process. After picking it up, I headed off to the favorite canyon spot just north of the PRB.

I was unpacking and loading mags when another car came by. They set up for some hand thrown clays and were already shooting when I let go with the first burst. They just stopped cold and stared in disbelief. It was funny.

Anyhow we struck up a conversation. One guy was ex-mil the other two, a father and teenage son, were from the UK on vacation. The American had rented a room with them when he was stationed overseas and they stopped by on the way to the Grand Canyon to visit and do some shooting.

I'm sure you know how screwed up things are in the UK. His 17 year old kid had never shot a gun before. The dad was an avid clays shooter and a member of a club. He talked at length about the errosion in gun rights during his lifetime. He showed me the government card he needed just to own a gun. They couldn't take their shotguns home (there were exceptions for owners of large country estates but most had to leave them locked up at the club). Thanks to Tony Blair's Labour Party, its illegal to privately own any type of handgun. Most rifles are banned too. The taxes on ammo were so high that a box of 12ga skeet shotshells would run him about $35 US.

I let them all do mag dumps for the next hour on the Uzi. Especially the kid. He was ecstatic. New friendships were made and that kid will have a story to tell when he gets home. I don't think I shot more than half of what went downrange that afternoon, but it will always be one of my favorite shooting experiences.

Here's a pic of my daughter shooting the Vector with brass in the air (the ear muffs were necessary, others were shooting behind the camera):
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/luv2ski80007/GunFun/Family/IMG_0546a.jpg

And another of my mom (in her late 60's) shooting the same gun with the wood stock and a .22 kit. The suppressor is a Gemtech Raptor.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f9/luv2ski80007/GunFun/Family/IMG_0601a.jpg