View Full Version : State Troopers Hunting Democrats
By TODD RICHMOND and SCOTT BAUER, Associated Press Todd Richmond And Scott Bauer, Associated Press – 22 mins ago
MADISON, Wis. – Wisconsin state troopers were dispatched Thursday to try to find at least one of the 14 Senate Democrats who have been on the run for eight days [censored because DeusExMachina likes unions more than fun].
Shouldn't be difficult. Find an organic coffee shop and look for the people wearing red and reading Marx
Daniel_187
02-24-2011, 10:08
Ha Ha Ha Ha, I want to hunt Reds
DeusExMachina
02-24-2011, 10:11
Yes, because unions are so communist. I don't have a eye rolling smiley big enough.
Yes, because unions are so communist. I don't have a eye rolling smiley big enough.
The state troopers are hunting unions? The unions are in red shirts reading Marx?
Daniel_187
02-24-2011, 10:19
Yes, because unions are so communist. I don't have a eye rolling smiley big enough.
Not the Unions, the Demmys
Demodave
02-24-2011, 10:20
OK, who's selling the Democrat Hunting Licenses?
are there just "BULL" tags available?
Limited season on NANNY's?
[ROFL1]
OK, who's selling the Democrat Hunting Licenses?
are there just "BULL" tags available?
Limited season on NANNY's?
[ROFL1]
I'm wondering how you can tell if they are a bull through a scope. Wouldn't it require having to touch them?
[Poke]
DeusExMachina
02-24-2011, 10:31
The state troopers are hunting unions? The unions are in red shirts reading Marx?
The Democrats are hiding to prevent a vote that would destroy unions in WI. You're calling the Dems red because they support unions. Let me know if you were just talking out of your ass, or you were trying to make some sort of point.
The Democrats are hiding to prevent a vote that would destroy unions in WI. You're calling the Dems red because they support unions. Let me know if you were just talking out of your ass, or you were trying to make some sort of point.
I called dems red because they are red; we're all just trying to have some fun. I'll be sure to censor anything related to unions in further quotes about State Troopers having a man hunt for democrats.
Edit: There, I fixed it.
Unions, Democrats and commies now have something undeniably in common; their actions and goals go against the constitution and founding spirit of America.
Elected democrats no longer will do their job; they flee rather then stand up with courage and cast a vote either for or against the bill. They have become such cowards they are fleeing their duty when they are in no physical danger.
Imagine if the founding fathers decided to flee when the going got tough, we would be Brits if they had.
Unions and commies believe in the collective only and do not believe in individual ability to succeed or fail.
Unions were created to equal the field but they only helped men with less ability maintain a certain standard, they never helped anyone succeed only exist.
The union’s leaders are just like commie leaders who drown in wealth and continue to force their workers to pay them for the ability to have a job.
This also goes against what America was founded on, the belief that every man has the control of his ability to succeed or fail.
It’s very ironic that in generalization, unions oppose management employees but fail to recognize that it is their own management that they are beholden to.
For all those union people that will say they are in a small union that does not have dues and all those same rules, all i have to say to you is that you know that i am talking about the large labor unions who do, so pipe down as your talking apples and oranges.
The Democrats are hiding to prevent a vote that would destroy unions in WI. You're calling the Dems red because they support unions. Let me know if you were just talking out of your ass, or you were trying to make some sort of point.
yeah, because unions are, like totally fair and democratic. no lying or corruption going on in unions, no sirree.
DeusExMachina
02-24-2011, 13:06
yeah, because unions are, like totally fair and democratic. no lying or corruption going on in unions, no sirree.
yeah, because governments are, like totally fair and democratic. no lying or corruption going on in governments, no sirree.
yeah, because governments are, like totally fair and democratic. no lying or corruption going on in governments, no sirree.
do you have a point to make, or are you just doing the repeater?
think about your answer, meow.
DeusExMachina
02-24-2011, 13:35
do you have a point to make, or are you just doing the repeater?
think about your answer, meow.
Governments have corruption, but that doesn't mean they are not necessary.
Unions have corruption, but that doesn't mean they are not necessary.
yeah, because governments are, like totally fair and democratic. no lying or corruption going on in governments, no sirree.
Let me know if you were just talking out of your ass, or you were trying to make some sort of point
hey, that IS fun
rockhound
02-24-2011, 19:21
the union has in many occupations outlived its usefulness. originally formed to ensure that workers had a safe work environment and fair wages they have become thugs holding private enterprise by their short hairs and ensuring that more and more companies cannot compete internationally and will enventually die.
GM is the perfect example. The UAW not only has them up against a wall with the wages but the inability to lay off or fire workers will be the death of the company, any company
GM laid off 30,000 workers in the last four or five years, most of whom are still collecting a salary even though they are not working for the company. thanks to the union. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/11/25/automakers-jobs-bank-program-pays-laid-workers/
I am sorry, but this industry will fail if they cannot hire and fire at a competitive rate.
allowing WI or GM or Chrysler or any other company to be held hostage by a union is just idiocy in this day and age.
Troublco
02-24-2011, 21:17
the union has in many occupations outlived its usefulness. originally formed to ensure that workers had a safe work environment and fair wages
This.
ETA- what I originally wanted to put...I didn't know that you could hunt Democrats if you were a State Trooper in Wisconsin. I think I missed my true calling! [ROFL1]
"... just talking out of your ass,...
I won't "talk out of my ass," I'll talk from the perspective of experience as a former resident of WI (~17 of the past 23 years). Further, I won't parrot from national media fodder nor let emotional pro or con re: unions get in the way. I'll respond straight-up as a former tax-payer what reality in WI is like.
Where do you want to take this Deus? Do you know what your talking about from experience (i.e. have you ever been a resident of WI) or are you another outsider looking-in?
Answer that first, then we'll decide which way to take this.
Classified as vermin or is there a bag limit?
Is there a bounty?
If so, to claim it do you need just the ears or the whole pelt?
OK, who's selling the Democrat Hunting Licenses?
are there just "BULL" tags available?
Limited season on NANNY's?
[ROFL1]
http://www.davidforbes.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/YoungElmer.jpg
Be vewwwy, vewwwy quiet....I'm hunting Democwats...
def4pos8
02-24-2011, 23:33
My sister is an AFSCME member working for Wisconsin DOT. The unions, especially the various "education" unions are hanging her out to dry.
The bloody teachers are paid 50% more than she will ever earn and none of 'em work fifty weeks each year, while two of five students never graduate high school.
She has no option regarding union dues, so a portion of her taxpayer-funded paycheck goes directly to the AFSCME general fund, hence to the Democrat-oriented PAC. She's not any sort of radical, but the red shirt wearing Mob at the capitol building thieves part of her paycheck and the common taxpayers' money.
My son is an ALPA member. If he did what the Mob at Madison is doing, he'd be out of a job at day #3.
Disrupting the business of the Assembly is subversive at best and likely seditious. The Mob at Madison deserves nothing but CS gas, bayonets and -- if they're truly, stupidly, stubborn -- ball projectiles. George Washington didn't put up with this crap. Why should we?
Regarding the supposed "legislators" who have abandoned their positions and failed to fulfill their oaths to serve their constituents, they are not any sort of "bulls". They are very much the typical sort of ungulate prey species whose female examples naturally flee at the first hint of danger, never fighting an adversary.
We are living a reality frighteningly similar to events described by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged more than fifty years ago.
I am John Gault. Semper Fi!
http://www.davidforbes.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/YoungElmer.jpg
Be vewwwy, vewwwy quiet....I'm hunting Democwats...
lol
wait, why is Elmer wearing hunter hotpants?
hollohas
02-25-2011, 10:12
The Democrats are hiding to prevent a vote that would destroy unions in WI. You're calling the Dems red because they support unions. Let me know if you were just talking out of your ass, or you were trying to make some sort of point.
Heaven forbid they want the union members to pay a small portion into their own retirement to help reduce the debt the state faces. The OP did not equate unions to commies but since you brought it up...
Every private employee and citizen in that state are paying for the comfortable retirement of the public employees...many WI public employees currently pay less than 1% into their own retirement...the citizens pay the rest. Sound a bit like redistribution of wealth? Except in this case they are not robbing the rich to give to the poor, they are robbing everyone to give to corrupt public employees protected by unions. That to me sounds a lot like how commies work. It makes me sick that these a-holes think they shouldn't have to invest in their own pensions. IMO the 5% they are asking these people pay into their pensions is not even close to enough...private sector employees are lucky if they only have to pay 50%. Damn entitled self absorbed whining bitches.
If the Dems and unions there win this fight, the state will go even more broke and none of them will get any pension. It doesn't stand a chance of getting fixed if collective bargaining stays on the table. Pay a little or lose it all...this will happen all over the country.
lol
wait, why is Elmer wearing hunter hotpants?
He was very young, and was not cognizant of his fashion faux pas...
Governments have corruption, but that doesn't mean they are not necessary.
Unions have corruption, but that doesn't mean they are not necessary.
yes it does.
unions are not necessary.
they were back when they started, when companies treated factory workers like slaves.
nowadays workers are protected by law from these things. the government has grown. now we have osha and the dept of labor.
the only reason for unions now is money.
the money they get from worker's paychecks before the workers even see it, money and benefits that unions EXTORT from companies with their "collective bargaining power" (ie. do what we say or we'll strike"), and the portion of that money the unions take that gets automatically funneled to the democratic party.
they had a place 100 years ago, now the benefits of unions are almost non existent. as rockhound pointed out, unions have crippled the big three.
I am anti union because of my own personal experiences and interactions with union types, and I think it's high time we send these thugs packing.
and guess how I think we should deal with union "toughs" that try and intimidate people......
Byte Stryke
02-25-2011, 14:45
yes it does.
unions are not necessary.
they were back when they started, when companies treated factory workers like slaves.
nowadays workers are protected by law from these things. the government has grown. now we have osha and the dept of labor.
the only reason for unions now is money.
the money they get from worker's paychecks before the workers even see it, money and benefits that unions EXTORT from companies with their "collective bargaining power" (ie. do what we say or we'll strike"), and the portion of that money the unions take that gets automatically funneled to the democratic party.
they had a place 100 years ago, now the benefits of unions are almost non existent. as rockhound pointed out, unions have crippled the big three.
I am anti union because of my own personal experiences and interactions with union types, and I think it's high time we send these thugs packing.
and guess how I think we should deal with union "toughs" that try and intimidate people......
While I Agree with the Anti-Union Sentiment, Illegally interrupting due process with Absenteeism from YOUR JOB and promoting demonstrations by paid activists isn't a fair a lawful process.
Just because I dont like a new policy my boss enacts doesn't mean I can skip work in protest and still expect a paycheck.
Terminate the offices of the representatives of the people that have gone absent, hold a new special election to replace them, and then move forward with the VOTE.
Yes, VOTE... its that Democratic thing we do where we like to think we have a fair and equal say in things.
Lex_Luthor
02-25-2011, 14:58
Illegally interrupting due process with Absenteeism from YOUR JOB and promoting demonstrations by paid activists isn't a fair a lawful process.
Just because I dont like a new policy my boss enacts doesn't mean I can skip work in protest and still expect a paycheck.
Terminate the offices of the representatives of the people that have gone absent, hold a new special election to replace them, and then move forward with the VOTE.
Yes, VOTE... its that Democratic thing we do where we like to think we have a fair and equal say in things.
This. When they decide to come back, they find themselves out of a job. That would happen in ANY other case. You don't show up for work, and don't have a good reason for it? Don't bother coming back. Then they find themselves in the same job market that the rest of us do, and realize they're not untouchable.
Just because I dont like a new policy my boss enacts doesn't mean I can skip work in protest and still expect a paycheck.
unioners think they can.
Byte Stryke
02-25-2011, 15:03
unioners and Politicians think they can.
fixed it for you
:D
I say put a bounty on them too. Nothing would take them cry babies down a peg quicker than having them brought back in handcuffs and shackles.
I don't think they should be shot or shackled.
well ok, shackle them if they resist.
but I do think they should lose their jobs.
democracy means not getting your way all the time.
it's funny to me that the people that strike and intimidate when they don't get their way are pissed that the governor won't "compromise"
democracy, compromise, tolerance, free speech, basic civility... all of these things are one way streets to liberals.
things that liberals expect and demand, but are reticent to reciprocate.
Byte Stryke
02-25-2011, 15:39
I don't think they should be shot or shackled.
well ok, shackle them if they resist.
but I do think they should lose their jobs.
democracy means not getting your way all the time.
it's funny to me that the people that strike and intimidate when they don't get their way are pissed that the governor won't "compromise"
democracy, compromise, tolerance, free speech, basic civility... all of these things are one way streets to liberals.
things that liberals expect and demand, but are reticent to reciprocate.
wait.. aww shit...
Someone call Ginsue and Fox.. mebbe some of the other Admins and Mods.
Something bad is gonna happen,
Elhuero and I are agreeing again.
[LOL]
wait.. aww shit...
Someone call Ginsue and Fox.. mebbe some of the other Admins and Mods.
Something bad is gonna happen,
Elhuero and I are agreeing again.
[LOL]
No wonder its snowing outside....[Beer]
The difference between having a job with a with out a union is if the management gets their sights on you to run out of town your on your own. With a union your still on your own but they take union dues too.
So I say get rid of them all unless they can show that they are doing something useful.
theGinsue
02-25-2011, 17:06
If the Dems and unions there win this fight, the state will go even more broke and none of them will get any pension. It doesn't stand a chance of getting fixed if collective bargaining stays on the table. Pay a little or lose it all...this will happen all over the country.
Exact same situation that has effected the auto industry with the UAW and many other industries and their unions (Miller Beer for instance).
The unions won't budge to save 70% of the jobs at a reduced rate while sacrificing 30% of the jobs, so they strike. The company can't afford to continue as is so they close the plant - putting 100% of the employees out of work with NO pay. Sure, the unions will provide some pay for a little while -- typically less than 30% of what hte employee was earning before the strikes/plant closings. But that income dries up REALL quick after the plants close since the unions know they won't be leaching any more funds from the "employees".
democracy means not getting your way all the time.
it's funny to me that the people that strike and intimidate when they don't get their way are pissed that the governor won't "compromise"
democracy, compromise, tolerance, free speech, basic civility... all of these things are one way streets to liberals.
things that liberals expect and demand, but are reticent to reciprocate.
Man, I wish I'd said that - very well said!
wait.. aww shit...
Someone call Ginsue and Fox.. mebbe some of the other Admins and Mods.
Something bad is gonna happen,
Elhuero and I are agreeing again.
[LOL]
Oh, I'm monitoring with a fie extinquisher in hand, but I don't think it will be sufficient to handle whatever cataclysm occurs.
BTW: Going for the trifecta, I agree with you too. I know; right?!...
http://www.lahc.edu/classes/chemistry/images/nuclear-explosion.jpg
surprised the liberals haven't filed to have them protected under the endangered species act.
drag them back in the state and make them do the job they were elected to do.
unions are good and bad. i like people to have options, and it sucks when you want to work somewhere but are required to pay union dues at that job. I think they should be able to have the option. the union will work for the people that are union members. the rest will likely be able to ride on the coattails without pay, but they also don't get the protection from the company if they screw up.
Right now there needs to be some big cuts on the state and federal budgets. they can't operate in the red forever. something has to give and the unions for the state/fed employees don't want to budge or give up anything.
I just hope the republicans rub it in their faces as soon as they get back. The dems need to learn a lesson on this one. I think it is absolute bullshit that they ran. they need to come back, take this loss then every single one of them needs to lose their job.
"Pathetic....protection/retirement packages that none of us will ever have."
I can rail on this shit-hole [WEAC (http://www.weac.org/Home.aspx)] non-stop...let's start with this small example (below) brought forward on Belling's program [disclaimer: local Milwaukee show, national recognition, leans conservative] earlier this week. Continuing to propagate this type of structure in WI and elsewhere is simply unsustainable and frankly, just foolish. "It’s for the kids." "Save Wisconsin families." Yeah…sure…the lie does not play anymore.
Note: On a personal basis, at the individual level, I’m all for educators bangin’ down 6-figures, Hell, I’m all for some of them making 7-figures, “if they can get it” based on performance & results, climbing the proverbial ladder, by tattooing advertising across their asses, etc.…rock-n-roll…go get wealthy and I’ll back you to the nth degree for doing so (free market). On the other-side of the coin I expect others to be well-under the median and getting their $25K annum when/where deserved. Further, no, I’m not supportive of benefits packages that exceed private sector benchmarks when you perform in tax-payer funded career positions. Don’t like it? Change your career path. Lastly, “wrapping your ass” comfortably with a blanket of union insulation (“another protected class?”) to shield you from capitalist reality, including the low-enders by default? Bah…no thanks…propagates mediocrity and results in over-costed goods and services and lesser-value from a consumption perspective. I want to be fair though and say that I do believe unions, like any professional organization such as certifying bodies, etc. can/could offer “great things” to receivers of their goods and services if they were equitable and less selfish and protectionist. In their current form, skewed to nothing but leftist entitlement…”no thanks.”
Read-on…sound logical to you? Multiply this by “thousands and thousands of heads”…and do the math with those highly compensated and with long tenure…hmmmm…welcome to one small piece of the WI tax-payer's nightmare (http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/27063.html).
Union Fails Pension Math: Part Time-Teacher Set to Earn More in Retirement than She Did While Employed (http://biggovernment.com/beverard/2011/02/22/union-fails-pension-math-part-time-teacher-set-to-earn-more-in-retirement-than-she-did-while-employed/#idc-container)
by Ben Everard
"My mother worked as a public employee when she was a teacher’s aide in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. She was employed by the state for five years, from 1981-1986. However, she worked only part-time, so was never credited for a full year of employment by the state for each year she worked. Instead, she received only partial credit each year. Fortunately for her, Wisconsin and two other states (Minnesota and South Dakota) allow for full vesting for public teachers after only three years of employment. Using a deduction for her part-time status, Wisconsin determined her creditable service amounted to 3.07 years. Had she worked three weeks less during her last year, she would be entitled to nothing. As luck would have it, she fully vested, and is entitled to receive a monthly check from the state of Wisconsin for the rest of her life.
Like millions of fellow baby boomers, she turns 55 this year. And in Wisconsin, one can elect to draw benefits at age 55. If she retires this year and elects to take her pension, she would receive a check, once a month, for $230. She receives this check for thing the rest of her life, and, if she predeceases my father, he is entitled to cash the check for the rest of his life.
A meager $230 a month may not sound like much—until you consider the salary she earned when she was employed, and how long she will likely draw her pension. The average life expectancy for women in the United States is roughly 78 years. Assuming my mother has an average life span, she will collect 276 separate checks from the state of Wisconsin for her five years of part-time service. These checks, without adjusting for inflation, amount to $63,480. Of course, in reality, the checks adjusted upward annually for inflation, so her accumulated payout will be well north of $63,480.
To put things into perspective, consider the salary she drew when she was actually employed. In her final year, she made $7,650. Wisconsin’s pension formula averages the highest three years’ salary, which for her amounted to $7,072 and $6,191. Over the course of her career as a salaried part-time teacher’s aide, she made approximately $35,000.
Thus, for five years of part time service in which she was paid a cumulative total of less than $35,000, she will collect nearly twice that if she has an average life span. She will be paid more money to be retired than she was ever paid by the state of Wisconsin when she was actually employed.
Let us not forget the other tiny detail—she has not lived in Wisconsin for over a quarter century, meaning she has not paid a dime to Wisconsin’s tax system in over 25 years. Yet, she is entitled to tens of thousands of dollars in pension benefits for her five years of part-time employment as a teacher’s aide.
Her scenario is just the beginning. It represents a tiny sliver of the enormity of the looming financial disaster. Substitute my mother’s modest salary with a superintendent of a school district, for example, who was paid over $100,000 per year, and the gravity of the situation is put into proper perspective."
Oh...yeah...the WI DEMS tactic...I like it...67% of the country according to Rasmussen is just laughing their asses off at them...and Oba'Mao for supporting such idiocy.
Mobat555
03-01-2011, 12:28
Illegally interrupting due process with Absenteeism from YOUR JOB and promoting demonstrations by paid activists isn't a fair a lawful process.
You are 100% correct on this, WI voted the senate in and have to live with the results.
the union has in many occupations outlived its usefulness. originally formed to ensure that workers had a safe work environment and fair wages
Completely applicable when it comes to for profit companies. But with occupations such as teachers there is no way to gauge performance that is fair to the teacher. In this instance how would a teacher ever show competitive edge outside of the amount of education they have received? With teachers completely unable to prove themselves or the quality of work they do, how could they ever expect a increase in pay or benefits?
Unions were created to equal the field but they only helped men with less ability maintain a certain standard, they never helped anyone succeed only exist.
So what your saying is the you feel that the pre-union child labor, 7 day work weeks, and zero consideration for workers health and safety was acceptable? We wouldn't even have OSHA, FSLA, or the FMLA without the ground work form unions.
Bottom line with Wisconsin is they have a supposed budget issue. The deficit is something he created himself, prior to his tax cuts for business's the state was at 54 million positive balance for the year. Had he left things as they were there would be no issue, but he cut taxes to business's and is attempting to crush unions.
Suppose there is some sort of real budget issue they can cut back on teachers, money per student, and facilities. If they did this they would hear a groan and people would go back about life as normal. But instead they are taking the opportunity to crush unions claiming fiscal responsibility. Which by taking away these rights I have not found any information showing that it would actually reduce deficit.
I guess this is a conservatives dream, kill a union, cut schools, support business's with tax breaks rather then let capatalisim work.
Byte Stryke
03-01-2011, 12:32
Bottom line with Wisconsin is they have a supposed budget issue. The deficit is something he created himself, prior to his tax cuts for business's the state was at 54 million positive balance for the year. Had he left things as they were there would be no issue, but he cut taxes to business's and is attempting to crush unions.
Well, There is that and the fact they are paying Legislators that wont show up to work and do their damn jobs.
Mobat555
03-01-2011, 12:35
Well, There is that and the fact they are paying Legislators that wont show up to work and do their damn jobs.
You are right and it is stalling the democratic process. I disagree with what I think Walkers motives are, yet the Dems have to man up and let it pass. Otherwise they are screwing democracy.
Bottom line with Wisconsin is they have a supposed budget issue. The deficit is something he created himself, prior to his tax cuts for business's the state was at 54 million positive balance for the year. Had he left things as they were there would be no issue, but he cut taxes to business's and is attempting to crush unions.
Suppose there is some sort of real budget issue they can cut back on teachers, money per student, and facilities. If they did this they would hear a groan and people would go back about life as normal. But instead they are taking the opportunity to crush unions claiming fiscal responsibility. Which by taking away these rights I have not found any information showing that it would actually reduce deficit.
I guess this is a conservatives dream, kill a union, cut schools, support business's with tax breaks rather then let capatalisim work.
Supposed? Go do some balanced fact-checking and come-on back with your findings. I'll give you a hint...go ask Rachel Madow how well propagating this false-hood worked out for her.
Created himself? You are confused on this, again, go do some fact-checking and come-on back. Also, I suspect you know very little of WI's coporate tax structure historically nor what challenges businesses in the state are facing. If you did, you might realize how foolish it is to toss that comment out re: "leave it as was/is."
Conservative dream statment - What a crock-of-shit and one borne of emotion in a meager attempt to demean, a fucking worthless comment.
I'll give you this, "kill THIS union" is accurate, WEAC is a pile of shit that should have been dealt a death blow long ago.
Let me ask you this, "what direct experience do you have as a resident and tax-payer of WI?" Although I'm certain I know the answer.
Mobat555
03-01-2011, 13:39
Supposed? Go do some balanced fact-checking and come-on back with your findings.
Happily,
Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau estimated that the state would end fiscal year 2011 with a gross positive balance of $121. 4 million and a net balance (after mandated reserves) of $56.4 million (http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/Misc/2011_01_31Vos&Darling.pdf)
Created himself? You are very confused on this, again, go do some fact-checking and come-on back.
Again, I happily oblige,
Companies that relocate to Wisconsin won't have to pay income taxes for two years under a bill signed into law Monday by Gov. Scott Walker. ($67 million tax break)
He also signed a bill Monday that increases by $25 million the money available for economic development incentives. However, there is already more than $73 million in tax credits in the fund that have not been allocated, so the additional $25 million is not expected to be tapped over the next two years at least.
Walker previously signed into law a bill that eliminates state income taxes on contributions made to health savings accounts, which comes with a $49 million price tag, and a sweeping lawsuit reform measure. (http://www.fox6now.com/news/politics/witi-20110131-walker-tax-bill,0,6398564.story)
This one is just for fun:
Gov. Scott Walker has signed into law a measure that will replace public employees at the Department of Commerce with private workers. Even though workers will now be private, they will be eligible for the state retirement system and health benefits. (http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news/walker-signs-economic-development-bill)
Please let me know if the information gathered from Fox News and Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau is insufficient.
Happily;
First, I'll ask you again since you failed to answer; "what direct experience do you have as a resident and tax-payer of WI? You have none do you?
Second, the WLFB is insufficient (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/) and misleading, is that your base-line (I gave you the Madow hint)? Link out to Journal Sentinel and AP references as well, you'll find your WLFB stake-in-the-ground is inadequate and the source of untruth you are choosing to spread. This problem is not of Walker's making and the state would not be running a surplus.
lastly, we'll address your "other" pasted links later but let me ask you this, "Are they intended to support your false statements condemning Walker as the cause of the budget problem?" My point, tell us what you know about the business climate in WI. If you are going to suggest that corporate/business [and other] tax reductions "should be left alone" and those actions in and of themselves would "solve the state’s budgetary problem" you know nothing of what has been / is occurring in the state, and pasting links about the topic does nothing to support what you stated incorrectly above about Walker.
Mobat555
03-01-2011, 15:01
This problem is not of Walker's making and the state would not be running a surplus.
You are correct and I was wrong, but via the same information it shows Walker is planning to create a un-warranted larger deficit over the next two years: The tax cuts will cost the state a projected $140 million in tax revenue -- but not until the next two-year budget, from July 2011 to June 2013. The cuts are not even in effect yet, so they cannot be part of the current problem./ (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/)
lastly, we'll address your "other" pasted links later but let me ask you this, "Are they intended to support your false statements condemning Walker as the cause of the budget problem?"
They simply show the changes Walker is making at the cost of the state.
First, I'll ask you again since you failed to answer; "what direct experience do you have as a resident and tax-payer of WI? You have none do you?
I have Zero experience as a resident or tax payer in WI, I have zero experience in Economics on any level, I have zero experience in politics of any kind. I wrongfully assumed that I could convey information I believed to be correct in a open forum.
Byte Stryke
03-01-2011, 15:04
I wrongfully assumed that I could convey information I believed to be correct in a open forum.
Dat'll lern ya!
[ROFL1]
Now you guys hug and make nice :)
hollohas
03-01-2011, 21:28
Suppose there is some sort of real budget issue they can cut back on teachers, money per student, and facilities..
I haven't seen anything that says they want to cut teachers, money to the classroom, etc. but that is what they will have to do if these people don't share the cost of there benefits. Of course the number of teachers and money to the students and classroom has nothing to do with the unions. If the unions cared about that then they wouldn't have encouraged their members to call in sick to work so they could go hold picket signs instead of go teach. The unions only care about the amount of $$$ the members make and nothing about the kids.
But instead they are taking the opportunity to crush unions claiming fiscal responsibility.
They do need the unions out of the way to keep the ridiculous union member benefits from just getting bigger in the future. Collective bargaining pressures the state into agreeing to these insane terms. Whichever WI Governor, Rep or Dem, that agreed to the terms as they currently have is a dumbass. Unions only help members at the cost of everyone else and they need that to stop. Call it "crushing the unions" or whatever you want but it needs to happen. No state can afford pay 100% of employees retirement for life. Like SS, it just doesn't add up.
I have not found any information showing that it would actually reduce deficit.
Really? You think that having these public employees pay a little more into their own retirement and health insurance doesn't save the state money? Of course it does. For example they want the employees to pay 5% towards their retirement while they currently pay less than 1%. That's a +4% saving for the state on pensions. Saving = reduced deficit.
Teacher health insurance in WI costs the tax payers $68 million...save only a few percentage points on that by having the employees pay a little more and you can see the savings there
I guess this is a conservatives dream, kill a union, cut schools, support business's with tax breaks rather then let capatalisim work.
This is a retarded statement that shows your bias. Do you really think republicans what to hurt schools? Again, don't you think the fact these teachers called in sick, some for 6 days, hurt the schools? How many of them do you think are republicans?
The unions keep capitalism from working. If it did work all those teachers that called in sick would be fired and the state would be able to cut costs wherever it wanted to. You don't like it, go work/live/buy somewhere else. That's capitalism.
Mobat555
03-02-2011, 00:42
I haven't seen anything that says they want to cut teachers, money to the classroom, etc. but that is what they will have to do if these people don't share the cost of there benefits. Of course the number of teachers and money to the students and classroom has nothing to do with the unions. If the unions cared about that then they wouldn't have encouraged their members to call in sick to work so they could go hold picket signs instead of go teach. The unions only care about the amount of $$$ the members make and nothing about the kids.
You must be right, since the Wisconsin Education Association Council priority for the 2011-12 legislative year is:
School Funding Reform (http://www.weac.org/Issues_Advocacy/Legislative_Resources/2011-12_Legislative_Agenda.aspx) A new system of funding should guarantee sufficient resources to educate all students to high standards, including additional, targeted funding for high-cost special education students, those who live in poverty, and English language learners, as well as additional aid for small, rural school districts and those with declining enrollment.
...THOSE BASTARDS...
Really? You think that having these public employees pay a little more into their own retirement and health insurance doesn't save the state money? Of course it does. For example they want the employees to pay 5% towards their retirement while they currently pay less than 1%. That's a +4% saving for the state on pensions. Saving = reduced deficit.
They currently already pay 5%. (http://etf.wi.gov/publications/et8901.pdf)
Of course we could argue they should pay more. But as I understand it (yes yes feel free to tell me I am wrong) state workers negotiate their total compensation, which they then divvy up between cash wages, paid vacations, health insurance and, yes, pensions. Since the Wisconsin government workers collectively bargained for their compensation, all of the compensation they have bargained for is part of their pay and thus only the workers contribute to the pension plan.
This is a retarded statement that shows your bias. Do you really think republicans what to hurt schools?
The house just passed a bill with these fine items in them:
* Title I would be cut by $694 million, reducing or eliminating services for 957,000 thousand high-risk children and potentially causing the loss of over 9,100 education jobs.
* School Improvement Grants would be cut by $337 million, disrupting or curtailing ongoing intervention activities for more than 482,000 students in the lowest-achieving schools and leading to potential job losses of 4,400.
* Pell grants would be cut by $5.7 billion, making it more difficult for low- and middle-income families to pay for college. These cuts would eliminate or reduce aid for more than 1.5 million students.
* Head Start would be cut by over $1 billion, leading to elimination of enrollment slots for 196,000 poor children and the potential loss of almost 26,000 jobs.
The unions keep capitalism from working.
On what planet does capitalism work for non-profit organizations? I will rally with you any day of the week that unions are not needed in normal for profit industry. But for teachers, firemen, policemen, they require a collaborative voice. If anything to make the jobs attractive enough to have decent educated people filling them.
This is a retarded statement that shows your bias.
I am willing as I hope you are to fight tooth in nail to have the right and ability to voice opposing and even bias opinions.
[Beer]I am enjoying making all these new friends by the way![Beer]
do you have a point to make, or are you just doing the repeater?
think about your answer, meow.
I'm sorry; Are you saying MEOW?
Clever reference there.
Byte Stryke
03-02-2011, 08:11
Do you really think republicans what to hurt schools?
hahaha
Kinda Ironical
Sorry, but as an (I), I had to.
:D
Bailey Guns
03-02-2011, 10:13
They simply show the changes Walker is making at the cost of the state.
Why is it some people still think that taking less money from taxpayers, money that belongs to taxpayers who have a reasonable expectation that elected officials will spend it wisely, is taking away from the state.
The money belongs to the citizens of WI...not the goddamned govt.
That type of thinking is why we (collectively, as a country) are in this mess.
Reagan: "You PATCO air traffic controllers better go back to work or I'll fire all of you."
PATCO: "WTFE, dude. We're going on strike. You can't fire us. We belong to a UNION!"
Reagan: "You're all fired."
PATCO: "Holy shit! He fired us."
Reagan: "That's right, bitches."
You pro-union types can get your panties all wadded up if you want. Unions are part of the problem...not part of the solution. They should all be fired. And the elected representatives of the people in WI should be impeached and removed from office.
Fuckin' unions and democrats. They're perfect for each other.
Why is it some people still think that taking less money from taxpayers, money that belongs to taxpayers who have a reasonable expectation that elected officials will spend it wisely, is taking away from the state.
The money belongs to the citizens of WI...not the goddamned govt.
That type of thinking is why we (collectively, as a country) are in this mess.
Reagan: "You PATCO air traffic controllers better go back to work or I'll fire all of you."
PATCO: "WTFE, dude. We're going on strike. You can't fire us. We belong to a UNION!"
Reagan: "You're all fired."
PATCO: "Holy shit! He fired us."
Reagan: "That's right, bitches."
You pro-union types can get your panties all wadded up if you want. Unions are part of the problem...not part of the solution. They should all be fired. And the elected representatives of the people in WI should be impeached and removed from office.
Fuckin' unions and democrats. They're perfect for each other.
+1
The unions/union members think that just because they are making "slightly more" than their public counterparts that they are OK. Its the fact that they are getting cadillac benefits/perks and paying for a sliver of the cost is the issue. The people who are paying the taxes that fund the lion share of their cadillac benefits packages don't get these benefits. Then, they fund and support the politicians to get them elected who they will then be negotiating with?
It is corruption and redistribution of wealth in its most basic form.
"yes yes feel free to tell me I am wrong"
I already did once, I might again too..."plenty-o-poop" above to rebut should I elect to do so.
CrufflerSteve
03-02-2011, 10:56
There is also an issue about a lot of these great pensions and other benefits. They are politician's promises with no funding. They make the promise and kick it on down the road for someone else to pay.
Also, as a side issue if the State Troopers are Hunting Democrats, why should they get all the fun. Everybody else should be able to buy hunting licenses.
Steve
Byte Stryke
03-02-2011, 13:58
Also, as a side issue if the State Troopers are Hunting Democrats, why should they get all the fun. Everybody else should be able to buy hunting licenses.
Steve
I keep waiting for them to announce the Democrat season here.
Whats the Caliber restriction for Democrats?
Are they considered large game?
Whats the Daily Bag Limit?
If they are a Tag Game, Due to the overpopulation here in the state can we buy extra tags?
[ROFL1]
I keep waiting for them to announce the Democrat season here.
Whats the Caliber restriction for Democrats?
Are they considered large game?
Whats the Daily Bag Limit?
If they are a Tag Game, Due to the overpopulation here in the state can we buy extra tags?
[ROFL1]
They are actually considered pests like coyote or prairie dog. Definitely not endangered so I see no reason why it would be limited draw or over-the-counter. General small game should cover it.
Byte Stryke
03-02-2011, 14:24
They are actually considered pests like coyote or prairie dog. Definitely not endangered so I see no reason why it would be limited draw or over-the-counter. General small game should cover it.
So it would be legal for me to sit on my porch and use my "Obamacare" Call and take them down with a 5.56mm when they pop their heads out with "Yes we can!"?
[LOL]
So it would be legal for me to sit on my porch and use my "Obamacare" Call and take them down with a 5.56mm when they pop their heads out with "Yes we can!"?
[LOL]
Yes but the ones with obama stickers still on their traveling vessels are much more sought after. As well as the ones who still wear the t-shirs or yell "yes we did"
Byte Stryke
03-04-2011, 15:03
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/7823074/wisconsin_senators_may_soon_be_subject.html
still say to fire them, fine them, revoke their pay, hold a new election.
Lex_Luthor
03-04-2011, 15:20
So, he threatens them with the jobs of 1500 people, but not their OWN jobs?! Send them packing and the costs they are incurring by not being there to do thier jobs should come out of their paychecks!
Byte Stryke
03-04-2011, 15:26
So, he threatens them with the jobs of 1500 people, but not their OWN jobs?! Send them packing and the costs they are incurring by not being there to do their jobs should come out of their paychecks!
Wisconsin Senators May Soon Be Subject to Arrest
Just guessing here that you can't be a Senator from jail.
It's an assumption, I know. But I feel it might have some probability.
Lex_Luthor
03-04-2011, 15:30
Sure, arrested and brought back by force. But I must have missed where it said something about them doing jail time. I'm sleepy today.
Byte Stryke
03-04-2011, 15:53
Sure, arrested and brought back by force. But I must have missed where it said something about them doing jail time. I'm sleepy today.
Attorney James Troupis (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_8d9ad090-45bd-11e0-bf68-001cc4c03286.html), who represents Republican Senator Scott Fitzgerald, argues that a provision can "compel the attendance of absent measures." He also argued that the absent Democrats would only face detention, and not an arrest.
it seems I am being Overly hopeful.
:(
Still say they need some sort of repercussions for their childish antics.
"If I can't win, I'm not going to play!"
Lex_Luthor
03-04-2011, 15:55
I emailed Governor Walker, saying to fire the cowards.
Just start up new elections. How long before you can declare them missing before you fill their seats?
suck on that, union fucks.
watch the video at the link, it's hilarious.
democrat hemmin' and hawin' his ass off while the republicans vote, adjourn, and walk out.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/09/wisconsin.budget/index.html?hpt=T1
Wisconsin's Republican-led state Senate passed Gov. Scott Walker's proposed restrictions on collective bargaining for public employees Wednesday, getting around a Democratic walkout by stripping financial provisions from the bill. "Tonight, the Senate will be passing the items in the Budget Repair Bill that we can with the 19 members who actually do show up and do their jobs," Sen. Scott Fitzgerald, the chamber's Republican majority leader, said in a statement announcing the move.
The Senate's 14 Democrats had fled to Illinois to prevent the chamber from attaining a quorum and passing the collective bargaining measures, which they have called an unnecessary attack on the rights of public employees. Republicans were able to move ahead by voting only on the non-financial aspects of Walker's proposed bill, which requires fewer members for a quorum.
"The Senate Democrats have had three weeks to debate this bill and were offered repeated opportunities to come home, which they refused," Walker said in a statement on the vote. "In order to move the state forward, I applaud the Legislature's action today to stand up to the status quo and take a step in the right direction to balance the budget and reform government."
But the move drew howls of outrage from outside the chamber, where pro-union demonstrators chanted "Shame" and "You lied to Wisconsin" as the bill passed. Thousands more began to converge on the building, and chorus of horns from passing cars echoed in the streets around the Capitol after the vote.
Later Wednesday night, the Capitol building was empty and most of the protesters who had gathered outside throughout the day were gone. However, authorities expect demonstrations to pick up again Thursday.
Janes Palmer, executive director of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association, said officers with the Madison police department and Dane County sheriff's deputies have been placed on high alert in anticipation of further protests.
Walker and GOP lawmakers are trying to close a $137 million budget shortfall with a plan that calls for curbs on public employee union bargaining rights and requires public workers, with the exception of police and firefighters, to cover more of their retirement plans and health care premiums.
Public employee unions agreed to financial concessions that they say will help meet the state's fiscal needs, but Walker has said the limits on public bargaining are a critical component of his plan. His bill, which already had passed the state Assembly, would bar public workers other than police and firefighters from bargaining for anything other than wages.
Raises would be capped to the rate of inflation, unless state voters approve. The legislation also would require unions to hold a new certification vote every year, and unions would no longer be allowed to collect dues from workers' paychecks.
Unions mobilized their supporters to oppose the bill, drawing tens of thousands of workers to rallies opposing Walker and supporting the fugitive Democrats. Many of them camped in the halls of the Capitol until police began closing the building after business hours.
Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the state AFL-CIO, said Wednesday night's maneuver "shows that Scott Walker and the Republicans have been lying throughout this entire process."
"None of the provisions that attacked workers' rights had anything to do with the budget," Neuenfeldt said. "Losing badly in the court of public opinion and failing to break the Democratic senators' principled stand, Scott Walker and the GOP have eviscerated both the letter and the spirit of the law and our democratic process to ram through their payback to their deep-pocketed friends."
The vote in the Senate was 18-1, with Republican state Sen. Dale Schultz -- who earlier had floated a compromise that neither side bought into -- the lone opponent. Outside, state Rep. Peter Barca argued that Republican leaders violated state open meetings laws by calling the chamber into session without proper notice -- a move he called "a naked abuse of power."
"The gig is now up. The fraud on the people of Wisconsin is now very clear. They are now going to pass a bill to take away people's rights," Barca, a Democrat, said.
And Sen. Mark Miller, the Democratic Senate leader, said Republicans "conspired to take government away from the people."
"In thirty minutes, 18 state senators undid 50 years of civil rights in Wisconsin," Miller said in a statement condemning the vote. "Their disrespect for the people of Wisconsin and their rights is an outrage that will never be forgotten."
...republicans vote, adjourn, and walk out.
Damn dude...I just "duped" ya'! Apology
Damn dude...I just "duped" ya'! Apology
hehe I beat ya by 12 minutes~
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.