What to say after a shooting

[Demodave]

So, lets hear your responses and your reasons!

Mine,

A good answer for LE showing up:

1) thank goodness your here!
2) I'm the one who called
3) they tried to kill me
4) I'm willing to sign a complaint
5) I'd be happy to discuss what happened as soon as my attorney arrives

State if they had accomplices and where they are
State if there were any weapons used by the assailant and where they are
State if there were any witnesses and where they are..

State that you were in fear for your life, if applicable, and of course it is applicable...

then

shut up

I have some pretty good reasons for the above, but let's hear yours first...

[TFOGGER]

"I don't feel well. I think I need to go to the hospital. I can't answer any questions right now. I'd like my attorney to meet me there."

[BigBear]

Man, that (insert racial slur) deserved what he gotz yo! How dare he ask for my help. Ya know? No, I didn't have to shoot him but I just thought you know yoz, I'd teach the (slur) a lesson! Don't worry officer, this is one more idiot you don't have to worry about! My gun? Course it's registered.. to yo momma! Just kiddin' fool. It's a full auto tek 9 too yo! Bought it from Big D down on the corner.... Sure better than that crap Glock for-tey yo be carryin' ossifer. Drugs? Why you ask? Sure, got 'em in the house, what's your posion? $20 a gram right now.



Would that work? hehehe

[pickenup]

1) thank goodness your here!
2) I'm the one who called
3) they tried to kill me
4) I'm willing to sign a complaint
5) I'd be happy to discuss what happened as soon as my attorney arrives

State if they had accomplices and where they are
State if there were any weapons used by the assailant and where they are
State if there were any witnesses and where they are..

State that you were in fear for your life, if applicable, and of course it is applicable...

then

shut up
You talk TOO much.

[newracer]

Not a word other than I need to talk to my attourney.

[ghettodub]

Not a word other than I need to talk to my attourney.

this, and nothing else.

[Monky]

this, and nothing else.

+1.. I've talked to several former DA's.. the cops are not your friend.. no one is.

[Demodave]

so, the crowd that forms after a shooting, say in a parking lot, and the perp tosses the knife into the bushes, which then, one member of the crowd decides that they want a souvenir. What say thee then?

In other words, there are some details responding officers would like to know, that in the end result, can help you out.

If that said knife disappears, and you say that you fired because of the threat of a knife attack, your defense starts getting weak to say the least. Witnesses at that point are critical. And if they start to wander off when the Police arrive, again, your story gets weak...

The responding officers will need to quickly ascertain who is the rp, and who is the complainant and likewise who is the perp.

By stating you are the complainant, you immediately put yourself in a different light, than say officers responding due to a shooting w/o having any info when the arrive on scene. If homeys friends start saying that you shot their friend for no reason, lifes gonna get interesting real quick. And yes, homey's friends are not necessarily bound by the truth.....

There is good tactically important information that needs to be given to arriving LE.

Saying nothing can get you in more trouble than remaining quiet and "lawyering up"

Witnesses, weapons involved, direction that the perp fled, etc are all info than can help your cause.

Folks this is just meant for discussion and looking outside of the "box"

FYI

[Ranger]

My replies:

"Got a light?"
"How 'bout them Broncos?"
"So a priest, a rabbi and an ashiest walk into a bar...."
"It was HIS fault!"

[Demodave]

Also keep in mind that recent statistics say that it takes a minimum of 48 hours for a trained officer to give an accurate statement after a use of force. Statements prior to at least 48 hours do not have the accuracy or detail.

This info is from Force Science Research...

[Busta Prima]

In my CCW class it was strongly suggested that you say one thing and only one thing before talking to an attorney. That is "I was afraid for my life." That won't hurt you case. Refusing to say anything besides "I want my lawyer" could be looked at in a negative way . . . not that it matters but again, saying "I was afraid for my life" cannot hurt your case.

[bellavite1]

"does It Hurt?"

[ChunkyMonkey]

Also keep in mind that recent statistics say that it takes a minimum of 48 hours for a trained officer to give an accurate statement after a use of force. Statements prior to at least 48 hours do not have the accuracy or detail.

This info is from Force Science Research...

It doesn't matter. When it comes to shooting, Cops' job is to make an arrest.

"I was afraid for my life and I want my lawyer!"

[OneGuy67]

How many of these threads are there going to be? One pops up every couple of months.

[newracer]

If the threat has been stopped the "perp" won't be throwing the knife in the bushes.

[cstone]

"I don't feel well. I think I need to go to the hospital. I can't answer any questions right now. I'd like my attorney to meet me there."

This one gets my vote. I would shorten it. To the cops "I need an ambulance." Sit down, shut up, look lethargic. I believe the medical term is shock.

Make the call to family (preferably a spouse who won't testify against you) who will then make the call to your attorney while you are in the ambulance or in the waiting room of the hospital. Minimize the amount of people who can over hear your conversation. The cops will know you made a call because they will get your phone records during their investigation, so keep it brief.

Pray if you do that. In this situation, Jesus is the only person you can trust, and he won't give you up to the DA.

[mutt]

+1.. I've talked to several former DA's.. the cops are not your friend.. no one is.

Yup. Not a word and lawyer up.

[ghettodub]

As I was digging through a folder on my desk, found my packet from my CCW class. Here's what it had in there:

Home Invasion

if you hear someone break into your home, arm yourself and make sure that you have your flashlight. Call 911. Report the fact that there is a home invasion in progress and that you are armed. Set the phone down, but leave it connected so that the 911 operator records the warning that you will be shouting to the assailant that "I AM ARMED" and that "YOU WILL BE SHOT IF YOU DO NOT LEAVE IMMEDIATELY."

The Aftermath of a Shooting

Call the police. Stay away from the assailant. He does not deserve your pity or concern; he was going to hurt of kill you. If he is alive he can still be a threat (a hunter never turns his back on a dangerous animal - same idea). Call the police as soon as it is safe to do so. Dial 911. Report the home invasion and the shooting and ask that they send help and hang up. The 911 operator's job is to ask questions and gather information and it is being recorded. You do not want to say anything to the authorities as your mind is racing. Follow the instructions of the police when they arrive. Be aware that they just walked in on a violent crime scene and have no idea what happened or who you are.

if you are outdoors, holster your gun and raise your hands at their approach. Indoors, place the gun in plain sight but out of your reach and raise your hands. Tensions will be very high. Don't do anything that could cause the police to view you as a threat.

DO NOT answer questions about the shooting until you have calmed down and with your lawyer present. You have the right to both - take advantage of this. Any you say after having calmed down that differs from what you said while upset will seem like lies or changing your story. Get it clear in your head before you talk about it. It is in your best interest to have an attorney present to protect your rights. The police are not your enemy, but at this time, they are not your friends either. There is a good chance you will be arrested after a shooting; expect this. You may have emotional reactions after the shooting, such as elation, revulsion, remorse and self doubt as to whether you were justified to shoot. This is natural. DO NOT SHARE THESE FEELINGS WITH THE AUTHORITIES. Be aware of this and seek appropriate help if this is the case.

[Byte Stryke]

place the fun in plain sight but out of your reach and raise your hands.

Freudian slip?

[LOL]

[ghettodub]

Freudian slip?

[LOL]

haha, awesome catch!

Fixing

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I do like the "I'm the one that called". It's a fact, and 'guilty people don't call the police' in most people's eyes.

[rboyes]

Good viewing, 3 parts total.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhbJd2USUDI

[gnihcraes]

Good viewing, 3 parts total.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhbJd2USUDI


Very good video. Watch it every six months or so.

[kidicarus13]

For all of you who love to talk about what you're going to say after you shoot the bad guy, I'd consider doing something a little more constructive and seek out a competent attorney NOW. Attorneys will not be answering your phone call when it's most convenient for you (unless they are a friend of yours). If you can afford it, after you find a competent one, put them on retainer.

By the popularity of this topic I'm guessing a lot of you live near 5 Points in unlocked Section 8 housing but I guess that's none of my business.

[cjmore]

SO who has a good, trustworthy gun lawyer?

[BigBear]

"does It Hurt?"


Bawahhahahahaha!!!! "Dude, looks like you have a splitting head ache!"




If the threat has been stopped the "perp" won't be throwing the knife in the bushes.

troof! [Beer]

"Two in the head, you know they dead."

[ghettodub]

For all of you who love to talk about what you're going to say after you shoot the bad guy, I'd consider doing something a little more constructive and seek out a competent attorney NOW. Attorneys will not be answering your phone call when it's most convenient for you (unless they are a friend of yours). If you can afford it, after you find a competent one, put them on retainer.

By the popularity of this topic I'm guessing a lot of you live near 5 Points in unlocked Section 8 housing but I guess that's none of my business.

Yeah, how dare people discuss and talk about this stuff on a discussion forum!
[Roll1]
[Coffee]
/sarcasm


Your point about finding a good attorney beforehand is very valid and important.

Tony Fabian is pretty well known, and recommended by quite a few

http://www.ajfabianlaw.com/

[yosemite]

No ,officer he was born with six bullet holes in his body!, actually, this event has shaken and disturbed me, I am not prepared to give an accurate statement at this time""

[KevDen2005]

"I don't feel well. I think I need to go to the hospital. I can't answer any questions right now. I'd like my attorney to meet me there."


This is what I would say even if I was in what is clearly a justifiable shooting as police officer. PD administrations want to treat everyone, no matter what, as a criminal.

Love being a cop, don't always agree with what goes on...

[KevDen2005]

I always have an attorney in mind, however, just to be an ass I will always say that if I am being charged they need to provide me with an attorney, as per my constitutional right...

[Gcompact30]

He Did It [rofl1][rofl2][rofl3]

[Irving]

I'm going to get prepaid legal tomorrow morning.

[SideShow Bob]

I'm going to get prepaid legal tomorrow morning.

Let us know what the cost is and what is covered for prepaid legal, and who is offering it.
I'm sure I am not the only other member interested. Maybe if you think of it, ask about a goup discount service ?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Your point about finding a good attorney beforehand is very valid and important.

Tony Fabian is pretty well known, and recommended by quite a few

http://www.ajfabianlaw.com/


I see that he is part of the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network, LLC. Is that basically putting someone on retainer? I like the idea that they are more than local. What happens if you are travelling, either far from Denver in state, or out of state and something happens. A single Denver lawyer on retainer might not be the best answer?

What do people think of the NRA insurance program that helps with legal defense costs. IIRC, it aint cheap.

[ghettodub]

I see that he is part of the Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network, LLC. Is that basically putting someone on retainer? I like the idea that they are more than local. What happens if you are travelling, either far from Denver in state, or out of state and something happens. A single Denver lawyer on retainer might not be the best answer?

What do people think of the NRA insurance program that helps with legal defense costs. IIRC, it aint cheap.

IIRC, the basic coverage is $150ish, and covers up to 100,000 in fees.

[legaleagle]

Seriously - you want a state appointed lawyer? LOL. Just me, but I would not. That is like the fox guarding the hen house. IF you cannot afford a lawyer (as the Miranda portion says) then by all means take what you can get.

As far as what do you say - I thinketh you talketh too muchet.

Here is your problem - you will be under an enormous amount of stress like you have never been before (except perhaps for combat) and you will not likely remember what you planned out and you wil ltalk and say things that you don't remember - you will miss details and critical events.
Also, the phone call you make to 911 is recorded, so you better make sure you don't say you just shot someone - you are admitting to a homocide. I would say someone's been shot, please send police and EMTs immediately. You will likely need to stay on the phone with the 911 operator. I would be silent and confirm you are there. I would desribe your clothing to officers arriving so they know you are the caller. The one who calls is generally assumed to be a victim. The officers are going to ask what happened. At that point you need your lawyer. The best practice would be to say nothing more than I was going to die, but I need to talk with my lawyer. If you need to go to the doctor then say so, but shutup. You will likely have your gun seized too. More than likely you will also be handcuffed and arrested - if nothing more than a Terry stop to secure the protecction of the officers.

On the doctor thing - if you say anything to the EMT's or the doctor, it is unlikely protected speech. The doctor patient privilege invovles information necessary for your treatment, not that you defended your life, etc. Identify your injuries, do not explain the story. Remember, the doctors record things in their notes and on the charts. Your dicussions will be there. Someone will see it and read it.

As for the husband and wife privilege - this applies only to compelling your spouse to testify against you for criminal matters. However, be careful, this privilege does not apply in civil court when the perp sues you.

[ghettodub]

Also, the phone call you make to 911 is recorded, so you better make sure you don't say you just shot someone - you are admitting to a homocide.

Not homocide!!!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hu/a/ae/Big_Gay_Al.png

[gnihcraes]

911: I've been the innocent victim of a crime, please hurry.

Nothing more.

[ldmaster]

Content on RMGO's site has been getting better, and here's a video by a law professor in Virginia that puts it so much better than anybody here could. anybody who watches this entire video and still thinks they should say ANYTHING to the police have got to reconsider, it's THAT important:

http://www.rmgo.org/concealed-carry-guide/advice-never-talk-to-the-police-wait-for-your-attorney


I hope the video can illustrate why it doesn't matter if you're truthful, or if you didn't do anything criminal, talking to the police is just WRONG.

[Irving]

SideShowBob: I was only joking. I was under the impression that people thought that pre-paid legal was a ripoff.

[eighty duece]

I shot him 15 times because I didnt have my extra magazines with me!

[cstone]

In the words of a genius...

[ldmaster]

I think we should all think a little bit about the kinds of things Google saves about us, or any other site...

I sure wouldn't want to be involved in a shooting and have them dredge up a post where I joked about something like "I shot him 52 times, because I had to reload"

I was looking through the news (which is full of death and murder) and you inevitably find quotes dredged up by the pseudo-intelligentsia (journalists) where they google someone's online history and find something they said that makes the person look creepy...

And you can believe the police do a thorough search too, in fact, Google and similar industry leaders have specific software they provide to police agencies, for just that purpose...

No kidding.

[gnihcraes]

I think we should all think a little bit about the kinds of things Google saves about us, or any other site...

I sure wouldn't want to be involved in a shooting and have them dredge up a post where I joked about something like "I shot him 52 times, because I had to reload"

I was looking through the news (which is full of death and murder) and you inevitably find quotes dredged up by the pseudo-intelligentsia (journalists) where they google someone's online history and find something they said that makes the person look creepy...

And you can believe the police do a thorough search too, in fact, Google and similar industry leaders have specific software they provide to police agencies, for just that purpose...

No kidding.


+1, there are a lot of things to say and post, but I don't for this very reason. Recently on one of the news stories, they had listed linked in information, facebook, my space, and all kinds of other information about someone in a story that was only minutes old.

I recently dug around for some information on someone, and I know just about anything about the guy and his family, wife and daughter just bla bla bla on facebook, and it was an open profile. [Help] Holy smokes.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I think we should all think a little bit about the kinds of things Google saves about us, or any other site...

I sure wouldn't want to be involved in a shooting and have them dredge up a post where I joked about something like "I shot him 52 times, because I had to reload"

I was looking through the news (which is full of death and murder) and you inevitably find quotes dredged up by the pseudo-intelligentsia (journalists) where they google someone's online history and find something they said that makes the person look creepy...

And you can believe the police do a thorough search too, in fact, Google and similar industry leaders have specific software they provide to police agencies, for just that purpose...

No kidding.

Would Google be able to do a search and return only incriminating results, or would they just return every post that we had ever written and let the prosecutors sift thru them. Would the defense have access to the complete post history, or just the ones the prosecutors want them to see?

[FireMoth]

And that, ladies and gentleman, is why the best response is "I'm going to disney land"

[ZombieKiller25]

Would Google be able to do a search and return only incriminating results, or would they just return every post that we had ever written and let the prosecutors sift thru them. Would the defense have access to the complete post history, or just the ones the prosecutors want them to see?

I'll give the prosecutor the entire post histories on people I investigate but I'll highlight the ones that I think will help the case. The same goes for information that might clear the person as well. The prosecutor has to turn over the evidence to the defense attorney...no choice in the matter.

I can tell you that PD's are more and more utilizing the internet to do research on suspects. You wouldn't believe the information you can glean off of facebook, etc.

[cjmore]

I think we should all think a little bit about the kinds of things Google saves about us, or any other site...

I sure wouldn't want to be involved in a shooting and have them dredge up a post where I joked about something like "I shot him 52 times, because I had to reload"

I was looking through the news (which is full of death and murder) and you inevitably find quotes dredged up by the pseudo-intelligentsia (journalists) where they google someone's online history and find something they said that makes the person look creepy...

And you can believe the police do a thorough search too, in fact, Google and similar industry leaders have specific software they provide to police agencies, for just that purpose...

No kidding.

AMEN! More truth has not been spoken on the subject.

[68Charger]

Found this on another site:

http://bcove.me/avvz2z2j

seems like sound advice, from a reliable source- even if it's a bit "scripted"

[Byte Stryke]

Found this on another site:

http://bcove.me/avvz2z2j

seems like sound advice, from a reliable source- even if it's a bit "scripted"

all joking aside, this is some very sound advice

[Squeeze]

Okay...+1 for ghettodub. I laughed so damn hard, I pissed down both legs. Sweet Jesus, I didn't see that coming for a mile, in fact I read over the previous post and didn't even pick up the word "homocide" in the paragraph. Thanks for the laugh, made my whole day. X-D

[Squeeze]

On topic, I agree with with those here who like to keep it short, sweet, and to the point! If God forbid, you are ever invloved in a shooting, you are going to be experiencing a host of different emotions running through your body. Keeping your composure is going to be important, as hard as it may be...considering someone just tried to murder you. Masaad Ayoob's video is good, but that's a lot for your brain to remember when you've just experienced what may be the most traumatic experience of your life. Simply spewing, "I want my lawyer" will work, but does give LE that impression of questionable doubt.

I'm a big fan of Masaad Ayoob's last statement: "Officer, I will give full cooperation in 24 hours after I have spoken with council".

It's not disrespectful, and always remember...The role of law enforcement is to solve crimes and close cases. There have been many good people's freedom sacraficed because they thought the police were on "their" side. I know for a fact there are police out there who believe citizens have no business carrying firearms and are NOT fans of the CCW law. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

[hip55]

What the video recommends -

5 Things to do after a Shooting

1 - Point out the perpetrator to the Police
2 - Tell Police you will "Sign the complaint"
3 - Point out evidence to the Police
4 - Point out witnesses to Police
5 - Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with an Attorney

[KevDen2005]

What the video recommends -

5 Things to do after a Shooting

1 - Point out the perpetrator to the Police
2 - Tell Police you will "Sign the complaint"
3 - Point out evidence to the Police
4 - Point out witnesses to Police
5 - Will give full cooperation in 24 hours after speaking with an Attorney


I think this would be awesome for almost any call I go to...a witness willing to sign a witness statement, pointing out people I should talk to that witnessed it and where evidence may be....If it were that good I don't know how I would react...

[Ronin13]

I have a few friends that are LEOs and they always tell me- without divulging confidential info on open/pending cases- how people "will insert foot into mouth with haste" when speaking to LE. One thing that 3-part Don't talk to police put well is the part that's in your miranda rights: "Anything you say can/will be used against you." Never do they use what you say to police for you. It simply doesn't help. But remain courteous and respectful instead of spewing "I ain't talking to you pig! Go f*** yourself, I'm lawyering up!"

[DOC]

He slipped and fell in the kitchen.

[Ronin13]

Kind of along the same lines, I was thinking about this yesterday while driving home and thought I should run it by you guys. With regard to the 5th and all that wouldn't it be self-incriminating during a traffic stop if the cop was to say "Do you know how fast you were going back there?" and you divulge information that might further incriminate you and force the cop to write a ticket? But alternatively you don't want to tell him you have no clue what speed you were doing because then you show ignorance and failure to pay attention. What's a polite way of saying "I know how fast I was going but invoke my right to remain silent on that issue for fear that I'll incriminate myself." I don't want to tell the officer that "Yes I was doing 60 in a 45," but also don't want to seem like I'm not paying attention or being a smart ass.
Thoughts on this?

[hip55]

You don't have to say anything. Everything you say will be logged when the officer goes back to his cruiser.

Have your documents ready and hand them over when requested....

[Ronin13]

You don't have to say anything. Everything you say will be logged when the officer goes back to his cruiser.

Have your documents ready and hand them over when requested....

So just sit there silently and refuse to answer the officer's questions? Kind of a dick move don't you think? Also 95% of the time I'm carrying so I have to say at least something.

[hip55]

Dick move? No, just don't incriminate yourself.

If he asks you the old, "Do you know how fast you were going" just reply with, "Yes I do, and would you like to see my documents?"

Never admit anything as it will used against you.

[DOC]

Just bury it already. I think you are putting to much time into what you are going to tell the cops. Hypothetically of course.

[Chad4000]

Remember guys, if cops wanted to help people, they would be fire fighters or emts..

[Ronin13]

Remember guys, if cops wanted to help people, they would be fire fighters or emts..

+1... I don't hate cops, but you ever wonder why people hug firefighters and paramedics and flip off cops? I don't, I already know, you see a firefighter/paramedic they're coming to save someone and help people. You see a cop, 9 times out of 10 someone is going to get in trouble. But that 1 time they save you is shadowed by the many times they write you a ticket/arrest you/look at you like a criminal or whatever else a cop can do to produce a negative image of them. I think it's kind of sad that some people hate all cops, regardless of what kind of person or LEO they are, they had one bad experience and they blanket judge all cops. I've had many bad experiences involving the PD but I still base my opinion of an LEO on their actions, and their treatment of each situation. I don't assume the cop is bad or good, I wait and see what happens and base my opinion of that one LEO after the fact.

[Byte Stryke]

+1... I don't hate cops, but you ever wonder why people hug firefighters and paramedics and flip off cops? I don't, I already know, you see a firefighter/paramedic they're coming to save someone and help people. You see a cop, 9 times out of 10 someone is going to get in trouble. But that 1 time they save you is shadowed by the many times they write you a ticket/arrest you/look at you like a criminal or whatever else a cop can do to produce a negative image of them. I think it's kind of sad that some people hate all cops, regardless of what kind of person or LEO they are, they had one bad experience and they blanket judge all cops. I've had many bad experiences involving the PD but I still base my opinion of an LEO on their actions, and their treatment of each situation. I don't assume the cop is bad or good, I wait and see what happens and base my opinion of that one LEO after the fact.


add to this the number of people that later have their cases thrown out., found innocent, get abused...

[Storm]

My rule, if I ever find myself in a situation like that, is to tell the police what the other guy did, express I was threatened and in fear of my life. However, not to divulge my actions. I would of course inform them I was armed etc.

[Panther AR]

Hey there. I am a CCW permit holder. I just wanted to say that I have been working for a defense attorney for eleven years, am a criminal justice student and work closely with law enforcement, including attending a LE academy, so here's my friendly advice on the original question. #1 - Read and carefully study the Colorado Revised Statutes. Intent is key. The DA decides whether you can be charged for homicide or attempted homicide. What was your intent? What was his/her intent? Did he/she intend to harm you? Did you feel that your life was gravely at risk?

Well, of course you felt that your life was gravely at risk! You wouldn't have shot the person if you didn't! For ladies, we can defend ourselves with deadly force more "reasonably" than men can because we can, typically, be overpowered by men. Men must prove that they felt the situation was grave. A brick in one man's hand is not the same as a gun in another man's hand.

#2 - If you haven't gone through a CCW course yet, pick one wisely. Trainers who are serious will take the time to educate you on when it is appropriate to draw your weapon and when it is not. It is not appropriate to draw your weapon in a 7/11 when someone is holding up the clerk....unless they turn their weapon on you. It is not appropriate to draw your weapon on a bank robber in a bank (yes, you may carry your firearm into the bank...assuming there is no sign outside stating you may not), unless he draws it on you.

3 - If you shoot someone, "I feared for my life" is the best statement you can possibly give, followed by, "I would like to speak to my attorney before I say anything else" and you better have one on standby if you are a CCW permit holder. This is serious stuff.

4 - There is way more to cover here....

[Chad4000]

^^^ thanks for the post!

[Great-Kazoo]

So just sit there silently and refuse to answer the officer's questions? Kind of a dick move don't you think? Also 95% of the time I'm carrying so I have to say at least something.

Everything You say can and WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU.

that pretty much clears it up.
I tell my students to say as little as possible outside of, I would like my attorney with me before i answer any questions.
I doesn't make you look guilty it prevents you from saying something based on an emotional state vs. the right thing to say.

[Byte Stryke]

"Officer, I will need his address for the extermination bill."

[trout_champ]

"Officer, I will need his address for the extermination bill."

+1 I like that.

In my CCW class we were taught to say nothing and just let the police know that you need to speak with your attorney first. He explained that you don’t have to be a dick about just let him know you are more comfortable with an attorney present.

Randy

[Ronin13]

A friend of mine was pulled over years back and knowing that you admit to nothing and say as little as possible because if it gets bad everything you say will be used against you, he offered the cop some twizzlers... c'mon, "would you like a twizzlers?" How can that be used against you? [ROFL1] And that's about as un-dick like as you can get!

[Byte Stryke]

A friend of mine was pulled over years back and knowing that you admit to nothing and say as little as possible because if it gets bad everything you say will be used against you, he offered the cop some twizzlers... c'mon, "would you like a twizzlers?" How can that be used against you? [ROFL1] And that's about as un-dick like as you can get!

bribing an officer or attempting to influence a officer with favor maybe?

Give it to a DA looking for a higher office, He'll come up with something to charge you with.

[Ronin13]

bribing an officer or attempting to influence a officer with favor maybe?

Give it to a DA looking for a higher office, He'll come up with something to charge you with.

This was after the officer made the determination that the offense didn't require a ticket or written warning... and he intended and conveyed his intent that it was just a friendly offer. The cop declined though.

[KimberLover]

North Carolina now has passed the castle law.
No explanation needed if you protect your home while an intruder is inside.
In other words....He picked the wrong house!

[n8tive97]

North Carolina now has passed the castle law.
No explanation needed if you protect your home while an intruder is inside.
In other words....He picked the wrong house!

+1, I love it.

Dudley, can you work on this in Colorado? You might get some forum members to re new their memberships?

[ghettodub]

+1, I love it.

Dudley, can you work on this in Colorado? You might get some forum members to re new their memberships?

I think that would require Dudley or RMGO actually caring what we think...

[newracer]

North Carolina now has passed the castle law.
No explanation needed if you protect your home while an intruder is inside.
In other words....He picked the wrong house!


+1, I love it.

Dudley, can you work on this in Colorado? You might get some forum members to re new their memberships?


I think that would require Dudley or RMGO actually caring what we think...

Colorado already has a similar law that I believe RMGO worked on.

[alxone]

Colorado already has a similar law that I believe RMGO worked on.if your talking about the make my day law , that was before rmgo was around

[newracer]

I stand corrected, main point was we already have a very good home protection law.

[alxone]

I stand corrected, main point was we already have a very good home protection law.
and the best part is your vehicle is considered an extension of the home [Muaha]

[milwaukeeshaker]

Say NOTHING, exercise your constitutional right to remain silent until your attorney is present

[Gcompact30]

It Wasn't Me It Was Somebody Who Looked Liked Me. What Had Happened Was [rofl1][rofl2][rofl3]

[Ronin13]

Haven't weighed in on this yet, but saw an episode of South Park the other day (ya know the classic one) and it could work in this case:
"HE'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!" [UZI]

[82ndShooter]

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/self-defense-shield/membership.asp

Something that anyone who carries should consider having in their arsenal.

[jason303]

"Anything you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law" don't you understand?