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rockhound
02-25-2011, 12:19
thanks rmgo, hope you don't mind me posting this here
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House Judiciary Committee passes Constitutional Carry 8 to 3
Nice work. Constitutional Carry -- HB1205 -- passed out of its committee yesterday and moved to the House Floor thanks to your calls and e-mails.
State Rep. Chris Holbert (R-Parker) -- who is a long-time RMGO member and activist -- did a fantastic job of presenting the bill and framing the debate when presenting it to the House Judiciary Committee.
Rep. Holbert told the committee that open carry in public areas is legal in most parts of Colorado and requires no permit, no fees, no training and no lists, but the second you cover the handgun with a coat or sweater you are required to obtain a permit.
In essence, he said, it's a Coat Tax. Put your coat on, and you have to pay the tax. His bill would make that a voluntary tax, since there would be no need to pay the tax (acquire a permit) if HB1205 becomes law.
RMGO Executive Director Dudley Brown then testified to the growing movement of states allowing permitless carry, and the many more which are considering passing just such a law. In Vermont, Alaska and now Arizona, there has been no increase in crime.
Both of those messages resonated with members of the committee, and the bill passed with the votes of every Republican and even two Democrats.
This is just one more great example of how effective your voice really is.
Now the work gets tougher. The bill is headed for the House floor, where we really have to turn up the heat. If you and I want Constitutional Carry in Colorado, we must make politicians feel the heat with our phone calls and e-mails.
The House Co-sponsors on HB1205 are:
Acree, Balmer, Barker, Baumgardner, Becker, Bradford, Brown, Conti, DelGrosso, Holbert, Joshi, Kerr J., Looper, Massey, McKinley, McNulty, Murray, Nikkel, Priola, Scott, Sonnenberg, Stephens, Summers, Swerdfeger, Vaad, Waller.
In addition, Reps. Bob Gardner, Daniel Kagan and Pete Lee have now voted for this bill in Committee.
If you don't see your State Representative on either of these lists, they have not yet co-sponsored this bill or voted in favor of it yet. It is imperative that you take just a few minutes to do this simple two-step process before the House floor vote.
If they are on this list, take a moment to contact them and tell them to keep up the good work and continue to support this important bill.
1) Click on this link (http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/5435101:8118611317:m:1:206052350:F63620A77A42922F3 BCA2353FE39E7DE) to find your State Representative if you don't already know.
2) Call your Representative. The phone number for all State Representatives is 303-866-2904 or toll free at 1-800-811-7647.
Tell them you stand with Rocky Mountain Gun Owners.
Tell them it is vital they support Constitutional Carry in Colorado without further amendments.
And tell them you are watching their vote carefully and counting on their support. Again, you can reach all State Representatives by calling 303-866-2904 or toll free at 1-800-811-7647 and they'll connect you to your State Representative.
Constitutional Carry in Colorado depends on your involvement.
Please join us in the push to get this bill past the House.
hurley842002
02-25-2011, 12:25
[Beer]
Ranger353
02-25-2011, 12:29
Whoo Hoo! [Beer]
rockhound
02-25-2011, 12:35
so i have my CCW class cert. and have done some additional training, (just got back into guns in the last few years)
I have purchased and become proficient with several new weapons in the last couple of seasons. I finally decided on my daily carry weapon.
should i apply now or wait to see where this shakes out.
if it passes it would be nice to be able to carry without the hassles.
hurley842002
02-25-2011, 12:38
so i have my CCW class cert. and have done some additional training, (just got back into guns in the last few years)
I have purchased and become proficient with several new weapons in the last couple of seasons. I finally decided on my daily carry weapon.
should i apply now or wait to see where this shakes out.
if it passes it would be nice to be able to carry without the hassles.
Also, i'm not sure how much you travel, but a permit would be nice for states that share reciprocity.
n8tive97
02-25-2011, 12:40
Excellent work! Great News[Beer]!
Molon_Labe-1775
02-25-2011, 12:50
I hope this passes. [Coffee]
StagLefty
02-25-2011, 12:59
so i have my CCW class cert. and have done some additional training, (just got back into guns in the last few years)
I have purchased and become proficient with several new weapons in the last couple of seasons. I finally decided on my daily carry weapon.
should i apply now or wait to see where this shakes out.
if it passes it would be nice to be able to carry without the hassles.
If it passes it's only good in Colorado [Beer]
pickenup
02-25-2011, 12:59
Keep the pressure on.
Does anyone know for sure how the process works? Where does it go after the House? Hickenlooper? What happens if he kills it? Does it go back to the house for another vote? Higher majority can overturn?
I hope my questions make sense...
-Hayes
COvigilance
02-25-2011, 14:00
emailed....keep it up
Gcompact30
02-25-2011, 14:02
I hope it continues, remember we are in COLORADO
ghettodub
02-25-2011, 14:21
Just shot an email to Mark Scheffel!
StagLefty
02-25-2011, 14:33
sent an e-mail to Polis [Beer]
rockhound
02-25-2011, 14:38
Also, i'm not sure how much you travel, but a permit would be nice for states that share reciprocity.
great point, would be nice to have all the other states I can covered.
rockhound
02-25-2011, 14:40
Does anyone know for sure how the process works? Where does it go after the House? Hickenlooper? What happens if he kills it? Does it go back to the house for another vote? Higher majority can overturn?
I hope my questions make sense...
-Hayes
this should make it as clear as mud.
http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_dir/olls/PDF/Bill%20becomes%20law%20chart.pdf
ghettodub
02-25-2011, 14:43
Wow, I can't believe that's something from our govern...
err, wait, yeah I can. As a graphic designer by trade, that makes me cry a little
if this is going to pass they'll have to override the veto.
I don't think hickenlooper would sign this in a million years.
this should make it as clear as mud.
http://www.state.co.us/gov_dir/leg_dir/olls/PDF/Bill%20becomes%20law%20chart.pdf
That can't be right... I never saw the steps involving graft, lobbying, or selling out their constituency to minority special interests.....
I emailed everyone that I sent email to last week to thank them and insist that if they didn't do it before that they should co-sponser it now. Its not to late to do the right thing.
Sent my emails out as well. Keep the bill on top of their list.
I really hope this passes but I fear fuckenlooper will veto it...then they will have to override that. I don't know if there is that much support for this to see that happen. I really hope it does, but not expecting much.
DD977GM2
02-26-2011, 05:55
so i have my CCW class cert. and have done some additional training, (just got back into guns in the last few years)
I have purchased and become proficient with several new weapons in the last couple of seasons. I finally decided on my daily carry weapon.
should i apply now or wait to see where this shakes out.
if it passes it would be nice to be able to carry without the hassles.
If you want to carry in states with reciprocity, apply for your permit. I travel a shitload and will need a CO CCW and I am lucky that the states I travel to have reciprocity with Colorado.
If it passes, it will only be good for Colorado. SO keep that in mind.
Also, i'm not sure how much you travel, but a permit would be nice for states that share reciprocity.
Which could damn near be nationwide should this pass:
"Last week, H.R. 822, was introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Schuler (D-N.C.). The measure would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed carry permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms. A state's laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within its borders. The bill also applies to Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico and U.S. territories.
H.R. 822 would not create a federal licensing system. Rather, it would require the states to recognize each others' carry permits, just as they recognize drivers' licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards. Rep. Stearns has introduced such legislation since 1995."
Tweety Bird
02-26-2011, 22:10
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see these bills passing (on either the state or the national level).
So it's passed committee in the Colorado house; next it'll go to a full house vote. If it passes the house, which it likely will, it goes to the senate, which is still controlled by the Dimocrats. If, by some miracle, it passes the senate, ChickenPooper will most certainly veto it. And I can't see any circumstance that would produce a 2/3 majority to override a veto. (Having participated in the fight against the Front Range Toll Road a few years back, I've done a little study on how these things are supposed to work.)
And I feel the same process will be followed on the national level.
It's all good work, though, and it puts the politicians on record as either supporting or opposing these things (except, of course, those who vote "PRESENT" like some have been known to do).
That'd be pretty sweet to be able to CCW in Puerto Rico.
I don't even think to wonder if I can take my gun with me when I go on vacation out of the Continental US.
hurley842002
02-26-2011, 22:48
That'd be pretty sweet to be able to CCW in Puerto Rico.
I don't even think to wonder if I can take my gun with me when I go on vacation out of the Continental US.
Definitely! Some think i'm crazy, but not being able to carry has severely limited my travels. I really don't prefer to travel to places that don't allow me to arm myself.
I see it passing and we maybe in the top 5 states to do it.
claimbuster
02-27-2011, 17:23
Even if the bill does make it all the way through the legislature, I doubt Hick will ever sign it. It's not him.
Bitter Clinger
02-28-2011, 08:29
Even if the bill does make it all the way through the legislature, I doubt Hick will ever sign it. It's not him.
This. There is just flat-ass no fucking way that moonbat will allow the unwashed masses to EVER carry without paying something into the state and county coffers.
I'm sure all the same people that didn't vote in 2008, because they thought a person not born in the US could become president. Said the same thing.
irrc the gov can just not sign it and it will become law after a certain number of days. so he has a way to weasel out of signing it and itll still pass.
Tweety Bird
02-28-2011, 17:07
irrc the gov can just not sign it and it will become law after a certain number of days. so he has a way to weasel out of signing it and itll still pass.
That's correct but I just can't imagine ChickenPooper actually WANTS this bill to pass.
OneGuy67
02-28-2011, 17:21
Does anyone know for sure how the process works? Where does it go after the House? Hickenlooper? What happens if he kills it? Does it go back to the house for another vote? Higher majority can overturn?
I hope my questions make sense...
-Hayes
It passed out of the committee favorably and will now be presented to the full House for a vote. If it passes the House vote, then, a Senator will need to introduce it in the Senate and it will be sent to a committee for review. If the committee approves it, it will be introduced to the Senate floor for a vote. If it passes, and if there is language differences between the House version and the Senate version, there will be a conference committee to iron the differences out. If successful, then it will be presented to Hickenlooper for signature or veto.
My best unbiased explanation.
My biased explanation: it ain't gonna make it to the gov to veto.
It passed the house!!!![Beer]
Gcompact30
03-01-2011, 23:05
That sh** was funny as hell..... moonbat I got to use that one... get over here you dam moonbat lol [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]we shouldn't have voted for that moonbat [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]
This. There is just flat-ass no fucking way that moonbat will allow the unwashed masses to EVER carry without paying something into the state and county coffers.
hurley842002
03-02-2011, 07:38
That sh** was funny as hell..... moonbat I got to use that one... get over here you dam moonbat lol [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]we shouldn't have voted for that moonbat [ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]
Who's we?
Who's we?
Oh no, they're among us...[Peep]
hurley842002
03-02-2011, 11:50
Oh no, they're among us...[Peep]
And it's the same guy banging his head when he misses a Glock sale, Something sounds fishy.
[Tooth]
clublights
03-02-2011, 15:48
Just popped up on my facebook ... (from RMGO)
Colorado House Passes Constitutional Carry 40 to 25
3/2/2011
We aren’t done, but I’ve got some good news for you.
The first phase of passing Constitutional Carry through the Colorado State House was accomplished this morning. House members agreed to move this common-sense legislation forward by a vote of 40 to 25 (we'll post this vote when it becomes available on our website).
Even though we’re definitely not done yet (and I know that I don’t have to tell you that anything can happen in politics) this is still great news.
Because of your emails and phone calls, these House members have moved our bill through the house with an overwhelming majority.
A special thanks to the able leadership of long-time RMGO member State Rep. Chris Holbert (left). Who now passes the baton to State Senator Greg Brophy (Right).
Our next step is the assignment of the bill to a Colorado State Senate Committee.
Naturally, I’ll keep you up to date on Colorado's Constitutional Carry Bill moves along, but I wanted to keep you informed as we get closer to final passage.
Good work, how many more levels with the senate till we know.
It could go through committee then up for a vote then onto the Gov. Hickenlooper who will show if gets giddy about protection the same way he gets about talking to the President.
I put it at 40% passing the senate and. 0005% getting signedm then 28% overriding the veto. And those are realisitc numbers.
Gcompact30
03-02-2011, 20:05
So everyone watch this decision, and then get your ass out and VOTE next election. [Beer]
Let us remember who didn't vote and more importantly who didn't call their rep to remind them to vote?
I saw this pass while at work and I was telling my co-worker who also happens to have a concealed carry permit, proficient at using her G17 and a very smart person.
I told how cool this would be and move in the right direction...
She brought up a good point that made me think...
Those of us (civilian, non-military, etc) that have a permit had to take a class. In that class if it was worth anything and not just a time killer, they went over when lethal force may be appropriate, ramifications of using your firearm in self-defense, used real world examples of when people were justified and when they were not and wound up being charged for something. They talked about the financial impacts if you should your firearm even if you were in the right. The potential for a civil law suit even if you are cleared of criminal activity. Yes they had an attorney there and he did not give black/white cases where deadly force can be used but circumstances and the like.
Her point being and my thoughts now; shouldn't there be some education even for good citizens so they don't find them self on the wrong side of the law for using their firearm.
One example; I can think of was that guy a few years back that got car-jacked, as the car-jacker started to drive away in the victims car, he shot and hit the jacker. While I believe most people that aren't educated in when and when not to use deadly force as a civilian would think thats an appropriate use, it was deemed NOT to be and the civilian was arrested and charged.
So, before any of you jump on me and say, I'm anti-gun or anti-this bill, or anything like that. I'm definitely pro-2nd amendment.. I'm just concerned for the average good citizen...
Are there any classes about defending yourself withOUT a gun? Same thing.
DeusExMachina
03-03-2011, 08:39
You can't teach common sense. Those that want to educate themselves will learn, those that do not will not have learned anything in a 3 hour class anyway.
newracer
03-03-2011, 08:52
The average good citizen doesn't know jack shit about the laws pertaining to firearms, vehicles, self defense, any of them. Should we make it mandatory that every citizen be taught all the laws? Hell a lot of LEOs don't know the law and they are supposed to enforce them.
I saw this pass while at work and I was telling my co-worker who also happens to have a concealed carry permit, proficient at using her G17 and a very smart person.
I told how cool this would be and move in the right direction...
She brought up a good point that made me think...
Those of us (civilian, non-military, etc) that have a permit had to take a class. In that class if it was worth anything and not just a time killer, they went over when lethal force may be appropriate, ramifications of using your firearm in self-defense, used real world examples of when people were justified and when they were not and wound up being charged for something. They talked about the financial impacts if you should your firearm even if you were in the right. The potential for a civil law suit even if you are cleared of criminal activity. Yes they had an attorney there and he did not give black/white cases where deadly force can be used but circumstances and the like.
Her point being and my thoughts now; shouldn't there be some education even for good citizens so they don't find them self on the wrong side of the law for using their firearm.
One example; I can think of was that guy a few years back that got car-jacked, as the car-jacker started to drive away in the victims car, he shot and hit the jacker. While I believe most people that aren't educated in when and when not to use deadly force as a civilian would think thats an appropriate use, it was deemed NOT to be and the civilian was arrested and charged.
So, before any of you jump on me and say, I'm anti-gun or anti-this bill, or anything like that. I'm definitely pro-2nd amendment.. I'm just concerned for the average good citizen...
Again, this doesn't seem to be a huge issue in states that allow carry without a permit (Vermont, Alaska, and Arizona). I appreciate that you are concerned about the same yahoos that do stupid sh!t like mailing live animals in priority mail boxes will be carrying firearms, but stupid tends to be self correcting. I still feel that Constitutional carry is likely to make society as a whole safer through reduced crime rates.
Zundfolge
03-03-2011, 11:17
... in states that allow carry without a permit (Vermont, Alaska, Arizona and Wyoming)...
There ... fixed that for you [Beer]
There ... fixed that for you [Beer]
Darn revisionist historians...My post was made before I found out that Wyoming came into the fold. [LOL]
funkfool
03-21-2011, 09:35
Permitless Carry Bill Advancing in the Colorado Legislature, Faces an Uphill Battle Friday, March 18, 2011
Your Urgent Action Is Needed
On March 2, House Bill 1205 (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2011a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont/15608113E583112C8725781E005F3120?Open&file=1205_ren.pdf) passed in the Colorado House by a 20 to 15 vote. House Bill 1205, introduced by state Representative Chris Holbert (R-44), would allow residents to carry a concealed handgun without a permit as long as they are legally eligible to purchase and possess a firearm. The NRA strongly supports the constitutional right of Coloradans to carry for self-defense.
Despite NRA support for this bill, HB 1205 faces an uphill battle as the Democratic leadership in the state Senate has consistently assigned pro-gun bills to the Senate State, Military & Veterans Affairs Committee. Their designated “kill committee” has predictably defeated pro-Second Amendment bills by 3 to 2 partisan votes during the last several years. In addition, Colorado Governor and former Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper (D) has been a member of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s Mayor’s Against Illegal Guns and he would almost certainly veto such legislation.
Despite this, the NRA will continue to urge lawmakers and the Governor to support this pro-gun legislation. HB 1205 is scheduled for a hearing this Tuesday, March 22, in the Senate State, Military & Veterans Affairs Committee. Please contact the three dissenting members of this committee and respectfully urge them to end partisan politics and support HB 1205. Contact information for these committee members can be found below.
Senator Rollie Heath (D-18), Chairman
303-866-4872
rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us (rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us)
Senator Bob Bacon (D-14), Vice Chairman
303-866-4841
bob.bacon.senate@state.co.us (bob.bacon.senate@state.co.us)
Senator Betty Boyd (D-21)
303-866-4857
betty.boyd.senate@state.co.us (betty.boyd.senate@state.co.us)
Lex_Luthor
03-21-2011, 09:37
Email Sent.
Inconel710
03-21-2011, 09:38
E-mail sent:
To the Honorable Senators Heath, Bacon, and Boyd,
I am writing you today to express my support for HB 1205 which will be considered by your committee. As free Americans, we are not required to have a license to excercise our First Ammendment right to free speech. I see no reason why we need to ask permission to exercise our Second Ammendment freedoms either. Passage of this bill will not cause an increase in gun violence as the gun control advocates try to claim. They made similar claims when Florida enacted its "No Retreat" Law, when Arizona enacted a similar law to HB 1205, and when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled on the Heller and McDonald Cases - every time their predictions of chaos and mayhem have not come to pass. Don't believe the gun control lobby this time - they'll be wrong again.
Please pass HB 1205.
Thank you,
Inconel710
Colorado Springs
Byte Stryke
03-21-2011, 10:08
I saw this pass while at work and I was telling my co-worker who also happens to have a concealed carry permit, proficient at using her G17 and a very smart person.
I told how cool this would be and move in the right direction...
She brought up a good point that made me think...
Those of us (civilian, non-military, etc) that have a permit had to take a class. In that class if it was worth anything and not just a time killer, they went over when lethal force may be appropriate, ramifications of using your firearm in self-defense, used real world examples of when people were justified and when they were not and wound up being charged for something. They talked about the financial impacts if you should your firearm even if you were in the right. The potential for a civil law suit even if you are cleared of criminal activity. Yes they had an attorney there and he did not give black/white cases where deadly force can be used but circumstances and the like.
Her point being and my thoughts now; shouldn't there be some education even for good citizens so they don't find them self on the wrong side of the law for using their firearm.
One example; I can think of was that guy a few years back that got car-jacked, as the car-jacker started to drive away in the victims car, he shot and hit the jacker. While I believe most people that aren't educated in when and when not to use deadly force as a civilian would think thats an appropriate use, it was deemed NOT to be and the civilian was arrested and charged.
So, before any of you jump on me and say, I'm anti-gun or anti-this bill, or anything like that. I'm definitely pro-2nd amendment.. I'm just concerned for the average good citizen...
I can appreciate the concern and the viewpoint.
The logic is flawed.
This law is not putting firearms into new hands. This law only places CC in the same legal status as open carry now.
It is perfectly legal to walk down the street with a .50 hand-cannon strapped to your leg... in the open, no problem. And we dont have daily wild-wild-west shootouts at the OK corral, much to the dismay of the Brady Campaign.
We already have people packing guns in their cars, on their persons (open and CC) and in their homes. People will always do stupid things as your example pointed out. Classes might help but that should be up to the individual person. I don't feel you can not legislate stupid anymore than you can legislate responsibility.
This isn't going to put guns into the hands of criminals or make it easier for them. They already have guns and are only concerned about this law as it is arming their victims.
Email sent. Posting to facebook and firing out emails to others I know as well.
[Weight]
ronaldrwl
03-21-2011, 10:38
Sent emails to our 3 Reps of which 2 are sponsors.
Email sent. I hope they contact me if they are having any doubts. I will do my best to reassure them that they are doing the right thing.
Byte Stryke
03-21-2011, 13:08
emails sent
cwripinz
03-21-2011, 23:29
Emails Sent!!
Bailey Guns
03-22-2011, 15:11
Died in the senate today.
Died in the senate today.
[Rant1] [Bang]
Byte Stryke
03-22-2011, 15:18
Died in the senate today.
I would really like to find who voted which way
That fucking sucks.... sorry for the language
Bailey Guns
03-22-2011, 15:26
I would really like to find who voted which way
It was 3-2 along party lines in the Senate State, Veterans & Military Affairs committee.
Democrats Boyd, Bacon and Heath voted to postpone the bill indefinitely.
Republicans Cadman and Grantham voted no.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2011a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/15608113E583112C8725781E005F3120?open&file=1205_ren.pdf
Lochinver
03-22-2011, 15:31
MOTION:Postpone indefinitely House Bill 11-1205 and reverse the previous roll call vote. The motion passed 3-2. (to let it die)
[Rant1]
VOTE
Boyd Yes
Cadman No
Grantham No
Bacon Yes
Heath Yes
“All we’re saying is if you’re going to carry a weapon, you should get a permit,” said Sen. Rollie Heath, D-Boulder, the chairman of the committee.
Left-leaning twats...
We are so fuk'n bassakwards.
patrick0685
03-22-2011, 16:18
Died in the senate today.
damn it
DeusExMachina
03-22-2011, 16:27
The Dem senate assigns all 2A legislation to the Vet committee, where Dems have a majority. It's their hit squad. Rediculous.
mrfish83
03-22-2011, 17:01
I guess they forgot to consider that open carry is legal without a permit per state law...
“All we’re saying is if you’re going to carry a weapon, you should get a permit,” said Sen. Rollie Heath, D-Boulder, the chairman of the committee.
What a bunch of crap. I assumed this would be the case from the beginning, just knowing the card carrying left wing douche bags that were somehow elected last year, but it still sucks to see this happen.
We should just take little steps and get them to drop all of the fees. It is our constitutional right to bear arms, the least that they could do is not charge us a fee to violate our rights.
BPTactical
03-22-2011, 17:40
“All we’re saying is if you’re going to carry a weapon, you should get a permit,” said Sen. Rollie Heath, D-Boulder, the chairman of the committee.
In other words: " If you are going to carry a weapon we want to know who you are and we want your money".
Hmmm, Chairman of the Committee, D- Boulder.....
There is your answer right there!
Now for getting the flamethrower- While I am all for loosening the stranglehold and assault on our 2A rights I am not so sure the Constitutional Carry was that great of a thing.
After working in the retail end of the industry for a few years there were certainly some who while able to lawfully purchase and own a firearm I am not so sure that they should be carrying. You know the type, the "I am glad he is not my neighbor" kind.
I think there should be some means of ensuring that the individual is competent to carry.
two shoes
03-22-2011, 17:45
...I think there should be some means of ensuring that the individual is competent to carry.
So when do you start the competency testing for owning...? When do you start saying that people on antideressants can not even own?
DO NOT start down this rabbit hole amigo.... it leads to nowhere fast!
That can be said for many people concerning many activities which are nonetheless legal and virtually without regulation: Consuming alcohol, procreation, operating power tools, purchasing a propane torch, etc.
Just because something is legal, doesn't mean everyone SHOULD do it. Stupid tends to be self correcting in the longer term.
BPTactical
03-22-2011, 17:55
So when do you start the competency testing for owning...? When do you start saying that people on antideressants can not even own?
DO NOT start down this rabbit hole amigo.... it leads to nowhere fast!
The decision to carry a sidearm is a decision that carries with it a tremendous moral obligation to yourself and the society that you encounter.
I would just like to see some means of making sure that those that choose to carry are well aware of that obligation.
We see what happens when people do not uphold their moral obligations daily, just watch the Jerry Springer show................
two shoes
03-22-2011, 18:13
... just watch the Jerry Springer show................
Damn, you played the "Jerry Springer" card on me...
BPTactical
03-22-2011, 19:06
Damn, you played the "Jerry Springer" card on me...
If I'm gonna hit, I'm gonna hit hard.........................
[Beer]
StagLefty
03-22-2011, 19:22
just watch the Jerry Springer show................
With all due respect-NO !! [ROFL1]
Bailey Guns
03-22-2011, 19:42
The decision to carry a sidearm is a decision that carries with it a tremendous moral obligation to yourself and the society that you encounter.
I would just like to see some means of making sure that those that choose to carry are well aware of that obligation.
We see what happens when people do not uphold their moral obligations daily, just watch the Jerry Springer show................
Sorry...no. The proof this is a bad idea can be found in today's vote.
Dusty Johnson
03-22-2011, 19:53
Now for getting the flamethrower- While I am all for loosening the stranglehold and assault on our 2A rights I am not so sure the Constitutional Carry was that great of a thing.
After working in the retail end of the industry for a few years there were certainly some who while able to lawfully purchase and own a firearm I am not so sure that they should be carrying. You know the type, the "I am glad he is not my neighbor" kind.
I think there should be some means of ensuring that the individual is competent to carry.
Well said, and I agree.
Another case of law abiding peoe gettimg the shaft. I fight for this country in the Army and I have to admit it kills me to see where this country is heading. The illegals have more damn rights than we do.
newracer
03-23-2011, 12:43
Bacon is my Senator, he will be getting another email from me.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 12:56
After working in the retail end of the industry for a few years there were certainly some who while able to lawfully purchase and own a firearm I am not so sure that they should be carrying. You know the type, the "I am glad he is not my neighbor" kind.
I think there should be some means of ensuring that the individual is competent to carry.
Of course. We certainly don't want those people having a means to defend themselves.
That whole theme sounds pretty familiar. Wonder where I've heard it before?
I am so disappointed in them. The answers they gave were so lame and predicable. Freedom is a four letter word to some people.
In other words: " If you are going to carry a weapon we want to know who you are and we want your money".
Hmmm, Chairman of the Committee, D- Boulder.....
There is your answer right there!
Now for getting the flamethrower- While I am all for loosening the stranglehold and assault on our 2A rights I am not so sure the Constitutional Carry was that great of a thing.
After working in the retail end of the industry for a few years there were certainly some who while able to lawfully purchase and own a firearm I am not so sure that they should be carrying. You know the type, the "I am glad he is not my neighbor" kind.
I think there should be some means of ensuring that the individual is competent to carry.
I know what you mean but we have to take the good with the bad. Infringement is infringement.
BPTactical
03-23-2011, 21:12
I know what you mean but we have to take the good with the bad. Infringement is infringement.
Very true roberth, but just as infringement is infringement, incompetent is incompetent.
I am all for being able to carry and to do so without a "Coat Tax" but I do feel that having a competency requirement to do so is not asking much. You have to prove competency to drive, to be a plumber, to be an electrician or to properly close a lane on a highway.
Very true roberth, but just as infringement is infringement, incompetent is incompetent.
You can't make a law against being stupid.
Fortunately, rights are all inclusive. That whole "all men are created equal" part. Maybe in reality, people aren't equal, but their rights should be.
AR-Tracker
03-23-2011, 21:28
This did not pass the state senate. The demicraps blocked it. Permits for all as of now.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 21:29
Very true roberth, but just as infringement is infringement, incompetent is incompetent.
I am all for being able to carry and to do so without a "Coat Tax" but I do feel that having a competency requirement to do so is not asking much. You have to prove competency to drive, to be a plumber, to be an electrician or to properly close a lane on a highway.
Yes...but none of those activities are constitutional rights.
BPTactical
03-23-2011, 21:31
Yes...but none of those activities are constitutional rights.
Very true Bailey[Beer]
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 21:39
Sorry, man...not trying to bust your balls. I'm just so tired of the 2A being the whipping-boy of constitutional rights.
I'm also a firm believer that incrementalism is destroying our country and our way of life. Liberals and idiots (sorry for being redundant) have developed a very successful strategy over the past 40 years of destroying our Constitution a little bit at a time.
I am all for restoring our gov't to what it should be. I want our gov't and our elected representatives...from the school board to the president...to fear us as citizens.
We can't get there by submitting to a little infringement here and a little infringement there. There's too much of that already.
So...that's where I'm coming from.
And BTW...I've made a pretty good living over the past 5 or 6 years teaching CCW classes. So I stand to lose financially from a "constitutional carry" act being passed. But it would be worth it in the long run to me for all of us, as citizens, to take back what's been taken from us by a near-tyrannical gov't.
AR-Tracker
03-23-2011, 21:53
Sorry, man...not trying to bust your balls. I'm just so tired of the 2A being the whipping-boy of constitutional rights.
I'm also a firm believer that incrementalism is destroying our country and our way of life. Liberals and idiots (sorry for being redundant) have developed a very successful strategy over the past 40 years of destroying our Constitution a little bit at a time.
I am all for restoring our gov't to what it should be. I want our gov't and our elected representatives...from the school board to the president...to fear us as citizens.
We can't get there by submitting to a little infringement here and a little infringement there. There's too much of that already.
So...that's where I'm coming from.
And BTW...I've made a pretty good living over the past 5 or 6 years teaching CCW classes. So I stand to lose financially from a "constitutional carry" act being passed. But it would be worth it in the long run to me for all of us, as citizens, to take back what's been taken from us by a near-tyrannical gov't.
[Beer] [Beer]
newracer
03-23-2011, 22:08
Totally agree with all of Bailey Guns' posts
This seems to fit the topic, plus I just love the ending.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069761537893819675#
We can't get there by submitting to a little infringement here and a little infringement there. There's too much of that already.
The anti-gunners claim they "don't want to take our guns away", and mock 2nd Amendment supporters who are opposed to what they call "reasonable restrictions" on things like hi-cap mags. Our current VP once wanted to ban surplus ammunition cans because I suppose they were frightening to him for some reason.
In my opinion, there is a difference between "infringement" and "reasonable restriction." I do not think there should be any restriction on firearm sales and minimal restriction on shipping (proof of age, ammo shipped separately). I think any citizen should be allowed to keep any firearm in their car and be allowed to CCW a small handgun without a permit. I do not think it is unreasonable for certain cities to require a permit for high capacity automatics and magnum revolvers, as long as permits are easy to get and the penalty for non-compliance is nothing more than confiscation and a fine. Criminalizing guns and gun owners goes too far. If someone commits a crime with a gun, throw them in prison or execute them. Simply owning a gun that a certain city or state or federal agency doesn't like for some arbitrary technicality should not be a criminal offense.
A number of NorthEastern states disagree. A permit is required simply to touch a handgun at the store, and if someone without a permit inherits a handgun or accompanies a permit holder to a shooting range they could be arrested and convicted and imprisoned for doing something that is perfectly legal everywhere else. Then consider how extraordinarily difficult it is for the average citizen to be approved for a permit in those areas. That is a clear infringement and certainly far from "reasonable."
Minor restrictions in densely populated areas I can understand. The anti-gunners will never be satisfied with minor restrictions, though. They want to make it illegal for anyone other than a policeman to CCW. Once they get that, then they'll start placing restrictions on what you're allowed to own. I recall a bill in another state which would require citizens to apply for and be approved for an "arsenal license" if they had more than 20 firearms or more than a thousand rounds of ammunition in their home (one of the bills critics rightly pointed out that a thousand rounds of ammo was just 2 bricks of 22 ammo).
Very true roberth, but just as infringement is infringement, incompetent is incompetent.
I am all for being able to carry and to do so without a "Coat Tax" but I do feel that having a competency requirement to do so is not asking much. You have to prove competency to drive, to be a plumber, to be an electrician or to properly close a lane on a highway.
Like Irving said - we cannot legislate stupid (if we could there would be no one to vote for democrats).
Part of me wants to side with you BPT.
It is all or it will eventually be nothing so I pick all.
I sent a message urging those whores to take the bill out of committee for an up or down vote. I think if we started a letter writing campaign of just one or two letters to each of the three libtards that killed it in committee that they may revisit it with some sense. After all a right is something that is the individuals alone. The state issued permit is something that belongs to the state. Its so easy to send an email or even call their office you know they have nothing better to do.
Here is what I wrote your results may vary.
Rollie
Heath
rollie.heath.senate@state.co.us
303-866-4872
Bob
Bacon
bob.bacon.senate@state.co.us
303-866-4841
Betty
Boyd
betty.boyd.senate@state.co.us
303-866-4857
Hello Senator Bob Bacon,
I was looking forward to seeing how the Senate voted on the proposed bill to allow Constitutional Concealed Carry in our great state of Colorado. However, it has come to my attention that the bill is stalled in your committee for some reason. I am writing you today to ask that you take it out of committee for a vote in the Senate.
The bill will most likely be vetoed by our Gov. Hickenlooper but for other reasons besides it’s the right thing to do and it should be law. I am actually surprised that it’s not already! Colorado is one of the biggest freedom loving states in the country because it doesn’t give criminal free reign over people just trying to live.
I do have a concealed handgun permit issued by the state back when the law said “may issue” and I guess they saw me as trustworthy enough to issue me one. I don’t know if that’s true. I just try to live my life, work hard, enjoy freedom and not live in fear of what could happen.
This law is something that I feel strongly about that would help more people that it could hurt. Please take it out of committee for a fair vote among your peers and let the system work. It was hard to get away from work to write you this email so I can understand the time crunch it may have taken to read it.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
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