View Full Version : Wyoming House approves concealed carry bill
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http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/2011/02/wyoming-house-faces-vote-concealed-carry-bill#
Byte Stryke
02-25-2011, 19:36
Asked why he believes the bill passed this time, Byrd responded, "To be honest with you, I think it's some of the newly elected people who are running on this platform of removing all government regulation regardless of the impacts on society. And so I guess, staying consistent with that position, this is just an outcome of those views."
Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/2011/02/wyoming-house-faces-vote-concealed-carry-bill#ixzz1F1aXpG2M
and what he is REALLY saying is that the Second Amendment rights of the citizens to defend themselves are outweighed by the fears of the politicians of an armed populace.
Representatives from some Wyoming police groups have testified at committee hearings against allowing concealed carry without a permit. They've said it could encourage dangerous people to carry guns who wouldn't be able to pass a background check under the state's existing concealed-carry permit system.
So the police groups think NOT passing this law (i.e., NOT following the COTUS) will keep criminals from being criminals? If someone can't pass a background check, there's a reason for it. I'll bet "dangerous people" is not clearly defined in any state statute, i.e., extremely subjective in it's definition and application. They'd be breaking the law either way.
Either we are citizens or we are subjects....I'll opt for the former and face any challanges that may come with it.
Bravo Wyoming!!! Colorado will follow suit shortly....
Ok so this is a dumb question! If i was to visit any of those 4 states, could i conceal carry with out a permit or is it just for the residents of those particular states?
pickenup
02-26-2011, 10:31
WTG Wyoming.
So the police groups think NOT passing this law (i.e., NOT following the COTUS) will keep criminals from being criminals? If someone can't pass a background check, there's a reason for it. I'll bet "dangerous people" is not clearly defined in any state statute, i.e., extremely subjective in it's definition and application. They'd be breaking the law either way.
Either we are citizens or we are subjects....I'll opt for the former and face any challanges that may come with it.
Bravo Wyoming!!! Colorado will follow suit shortly....
police groups would punch nuns, drown kittens and shake infants in the name of officer safety.
Byte Stryke
02-26-2011, 12:02
police groups would punch nuns, Eat Donuts, drown kittens and shake infants in the name of officer safety.
Fixed it for you
:D
Hopefully I dont get flamed for this but I support these bills with a condition. You should have to have successfully completed a firearm safety course before being allowed to carry. Leave out the whole long drawn out background check BS they currently require that involves weeks of waiting and just require that someone have a card issued by a certified firearms trainer.
Byte Stryke
02-26-2011, 12:41
Hopefully I dont get flamed for this but I support these bills with a condition. You should have to have successfully completed a firearm safety course before being allowed to carry. Leave out the whole long drawn out background check BS they currently require that involves weeks of waiting and just require that someone have a card issued by a certified firearms trainer.
OK Before we give you your voter registration card we are going to have to see your Associates in a political science, and a note from your social studies teacher.
then we will need to see your voting history.
Hopefully I dont get flamed for this but I support these bills with a condition. You should have to have successfully completed a firearm safety course before being allowed to carry. Leave out the whole long drawn out background check BS they currently require that involves weeks of waiting and just require that someone have a card issued by a certified firearms trainer.
As a certified firearms trainer I completely dis agree only because the training that is mandated for the currently issued cards is anywhere between piss poor and excellent with NO control over what you get. Keeping with the current standards is a waste.
colocowboy01
02-26-2011, 15:34
Ok so this is a dumb question! If i was to visit any of those 4 states, could i conceal carry with out a permit or is it just for the residents of those particular states?
I also want to know the answer to this question. I travel to 3 of the 4 States and will love to carry for the protection of myself and the others around me.
I'm under the impression that the state on the East coast will let anyone who is allowed to own, carry. Doesn't matter if you live there or not.
I understand why the police would be uncomfortable with this, and I would be too if I was a cop, but that doesn't excuse going against it. Hey, I'm uncomfortable with going to work before noon, but I still do it.
I also want to know the answer to this question. I travel to 3 of the 4 States and will love to carry for the protection of myself and the others around me.
Dude you should be checking with each state not a Colorado centric board. Not that there isn't some pretty good info here, this is one of those, until some drops links to the pertinent portions of the state laws, I wouldn't just take it on faith.
But hey, here is a great opportunity for you to contribute to the fountain of information! Maybe you could track the info down and post the info and links!
www.opencarry.org is a great resource and good place to start. Click on the state on any of those maps and it will take you to a website/s that are local and focused on that state.
Ok so this is a dumb question! If i was to visit any of those 4 states, could i conceal carry with out a permit or is it just for the residents of those particular states?
Not a dumb question at all because it varies and unfortunately this particular bill in Wyoming does NOT extend these rights to visiting non-residents.
colocowboy01
03-13-2011, 18:52
Dude you should be checking with each state not a Colorado centric board. Not that there isn't some pretty good info here, this is one of those, until some drops links to the pertinent portions of the state laws, I wouldn't just take it on faith.
But hey, here is a great opportunity for you to contribute to the fountain of information! Maybe you could track the info down and post the info and links!
Dude I am just trying to get a heading on the direction of this question. I would not start CCing in another state just because some guy I have never met on a forum say it would be cool to do so.
Bailey Guns
03-13-2011, 19:42
Hopefully I dont get flamed for this but I support these bills with a condition. You should have to have successfully completed a firearm safety course before being allowed to carry. Leave out the whole long drawn out background check BS they currently require that involves weeks of waiting and just require that someone have a card issued by a certified firearms trainer.
Yeah...and next thing you know, the bureaucrat in charge of administering the "Safety Course" makes the requirements so stringent few can pass.
Good luck with that.
I wonder what the colonials would've thought about having to pass a "King's Safety Course" prior to being "allowed" to carry firearms?
Tweety Bird
03-15-2011, 12:31
As a certified firearms trainer I completely dis agree only because the training that is mandated for the currently issued cards is anywhere between piss poor and excellent with NO control over what you get. Keeping with the current standards is a waste.
I'll second that. The NRA basic pistol class is exactly what it's called, a BASIC PISTOL class. You know, parts of the gun, ammo, loading and unloading, safely handling the gun in a controlled atmosphere.
It does NOTHING to make someone a competent CCW holder because if the gun is needed, nothing is BASIC anymore.
And when the state figures this out, they'll raise the bar. And again, and again until, like someone else said, very few can pass the test.
In an free and open society, there are risks. Either you accept that, or you give up some of your liberty. You can't have it both ways.
Hopefully I dont get flamed for this but I support these bills with a condition. You should have to have successfully completed a firearm safety course before being allowed to carry. Leave out the whole long drawn out background check BS they currently require that involves weeks of waiting and just require that someone have a card issued by a certified firearms trainer.
Fail. The constitution mentions nothing about training.
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