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When you are not carrying and are outside the home, where and how do you secure your firearm in your vehicle?
If I am outside, my firearm is with me period... Your question does not compute....
There are several manufacturers of car safes. Those little biometric ones work well for a trunk safe. By and large, I would venture to say the majority either throw it in 3 places: 1. under the seat, 2. in the glove box, 3. in the truck under the carpet.
Your vehicle is never "secure". Keep it on your person if at all possible.
YMMV
When I am outside, my firearm is too with me.
However in the office I currently work I can not wear and therefore I am looking for ideas on how to secure my gun while I am in the office and it's not on my person.
tonantius
02-28-2011, 16:46
I have a security box. You can buy one at Gander Mountain that uses a key for $30. I bought mine from Midway USA for $20 that used a 3-digit code. Both come with a steel cable that locks inside the box and you can loop it around your seat frame. It also meets specs for flying in checked luggage.
hmm... can you talk to the boss and ask for written permission?
Is there a written policy that states you cannot carry if you have a lawful license?
- i.e A lot of places have that "No Open Carry of Firearms, etc" sign. But unbeknownst to them, that sign has no legal bearing on a personal with a lawful CCW.
I guess your options is some sort of safe in the car. Just google 'em.
68Charger
02-28-2011, 17:01
hmm... can you talk to the boss and ask for written permission?
Is there a written policy that states you cannot carry if you have a lawful license?
- i.e A lot of places have that "No Open Carry of Firearms, etc" sign. But unbeknownst to them, that sign has no legal bearing on a personal with a lawful CCW.
In Colorado, private property rights trump CC law... if employer states no weapons on their property, then unless you get it in writing from them exempting you, or some group you're in, then it applies, CHP or not.
you technically may not be breaking the law, but they can certainly fire you on the spot for it.
Been through this research...
hmm... can you talk to the boss and ask for written permission?
Is there a written policy that states you cannot carry if you have a lawful license?
- i.e A lot of places have that "No Open Carry of Firearms, etc" sign. But unbeknownst to them, that sign has no legal bearing on a personal with a lawful CCW.
I guess your options is some sort of safe in the car. Just google 'em.
Yes I have spoke with corp HR and if I'd like to continue employment my option is very clear.
newracer
02-28-2011, 17:08
Tuffy console in the jeep. They make smaller boxes too.
The feeback that I'm seeing is lockable case under the seat and /or out of sight out of mind....
Tuffy console in the jeep. They make smaller boxes too.
I have the Jeep covered with the center console. The hard part with that is that it is open / no doors or top and therefore the risk of being seen pulling my gun and holster off my person is HIGH.
With the car I have better coverage and now need to address the storage.
I figured this was a scenario that had been addressed or encountered by many. So is it a safe assumption that everyone carries in their "office" or they don't carry when they are going to the "office" because they can't carry in the "office"?
newracer
02-28-2011, 17:14
I am also very diligent in making sure there is no reason to break into my vehicles. Radios are secure or just plain factory units and take all valuables with my or lock them in secure box.
newracer
02-28-2011, 17:17
Just be aware of who is around and potentially watching when you put it away or put it back on. I do it all the time even in the summer with no top and doors on my rig. Mostly it is when I have to go to my kids schools. I carry everyday to and from the office, I cannot carry at the office any more.
mcantar18c
02-28-2011, 19:37
I'm probably gonna get flak for this comment but....
I've always viewed this as a "better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission" situation. Screw HR... they aren't going to know you're carrying if its concealed, and the only way they'll find out is if you actually need to use it while at work, in which case they'll most likely be thanking you for having it.
I'm probably gonna get flak for this comment but....
I've always viewed this as a "better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission" situation. Screw HR... they aren't going to know you're carrying if its concealed, and the only way they'll find out is if you actually need to use it while at work, in which case they'll most likely be thanking you for having it.
Unless you work for a pizza place.
gnihcraes
02-28-2011, 20:18
...chained down to something strong in my vehicle.
http://www.gunsafereviews.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/GunVault-Mini-Vault-GV1000C-DLX-Deluxe-Gun-Safe.jpg
In Colorado, private property rights trump CC law... if employer states no weapons on their property, then unless you get it in writing from them exempting you, or some group you're in, then it applies, CHP or not.
you technically may not be breaking the law, but they can certainly fire you on the spot for it.
Been through this research...
Rgr, I understand that as I've been through the research as well. The problem lies in the language of the sign.
i.e. My employers' sign simply states no "open" carry of firearms, blah, blah. Upon talking to the senior fellow, CCW is alllowed and permissable.
I can see your point if the sign read "no weapons" period.
Hope that clarifies for ya.
SideShow Bob
02-28-2011, 22:44
Well, at least the OP doesn't have to deal with a written policy in the employee's handbook of "NO FIREARMS OF ANY KIND ALLOWED ON ANY COMPANY PROPERTY OR IN PRIVATE VEHICHES ON COMPANY PROPERTY". So I can't even have a firearm in my vehicle going to or coming home let alone at work. And there is no place to park outside of the company property, and wouldn't want to leave a firearm in my vehicle for 8 or more hours at a time.
I have the same problem - written into employee handbook no firearms permitted on company property. I have been told that by law they can't prohibit you from having a firearm in your vehicle but I don't know if that is correct or not. But I'm also not crazy about leaving a firearm all day in unattended vehicle. Maybe with one of those locking boxes with the cable that others have posted about. Might check those out for further info.
ldmaster
03-01-2011, 00:43
Back in 2003...
http://www.keepandbeararms.org/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=821
Seems like an employer CAN fire you for this. And this is Colorado, where an employer doesn't have to have valid reason to fire you. So it's sort of a moot point in this state.
I don't use a gun lockbox, I have hollowed out a hidey-hole for my gun in the unlikely event that I have to leave it in my car. A lock box just SCREAMS "take me there's a gun in me" and any kid who can get a stereo out of a car in 30 seconds is going to get the lockbox too.
If it's a smash and grab, they're not going to find my gun.
If they steal the car and strip it, they MIGHT find the gun, but they'd have a hard time doing so. I try not to equip any of my cars with anything that indicates that I have something valuable in it. I figure that a bad guy will always be a bad guy, and an honest person will be deterred enough by my locked door to not find it. During christmas times a gang of neer-do-wells was caught because they were using binoculars to observe a large mall parking lot. They did it to see if someone was putting a purse under a seat, or hiding presents in the trunk - to select targets. So I don't want to take the chance that I'll be seen disarming in my car.
I just carry, everywhere, and I just dont worry about it otherwise. When I was a desk jockey, I had a day timer that was locked in my briefcase. Let's see that would make about 25 years worth of concealed carry, without a problem from an employer or the public. And I used to live in the PRK... Shocking, I know...
Sounds like you already made the mistake of mentioning a gun to an employer. NEVER do that. No matter how cool you think they might be. They aren't.
I was let go from a job for looking at ARFcom.
In the future, buy a gun that you can conceal with 100% confidence, or just lock it in your glove box. If you're worried about doing it in the parking lot, then do it at a stop light a few blocks away and don't remember to lock it.
BigBear: A company thanking you for having a gun at work is a pipe dream. It'd be nice, but companies mostly only care about avoiding lawsuits. They will paint you as a crazy and fire you before the ambulance even shows up.
BigBear: A company thanking you for having a gun at work is a pipe dream. It'd be nice, but companies mostly only care about avoiding lawsuits. They will paint you as a crazy and fire you before the ambulance even shows up.
hmm... where did I say that the company "thanked" me, or am I missing something? In my case, it wasn't a big deal to get permission to carry.
I understand about the lawsuits, etc. And I am crazy... hehe.
Well, at least the OP doesn't have to deal with a written policy in the employee's handbook of "NO FIREARMS OF ANY KIND ALLOWED ON ANY COMPANY PROPERTY OR IN PRIVATE VEHICHES ON COMPANY PROPERTY". So I can't even have a firearm in my vehicle going to or coming home let alone at work. And there is no place to park outside of the company property, and wouldn't want to leave a firearm in my vehicle for 8 or more hours at a time.
Not legal in Colorado for them to prohibit you from having a firearm in your vehicle unless they provide secured parking and 24 hour security personnel. They also cannot search your vehicle without a warrant and/or the involvement of LEOs, as it is an extension of your home. This obviously applies to private employers, rules may be different for government employers and contractors operating on .gov property.
ghettodub
03-01-2011, 09:52
That's the problem at my work: they don't allow them on the property, so unless I want to park off-site (which I do sometimes), I can't carry to and from work
trlcavscout
03-01-2011, 10:15
Most seats are held in by 2 bolts and can be removed in 3-5 seconds by even a dumb car thief. They are also a very common stolen item especially the heated/cooled ones. If its getting locked in the car it would be trunk, jeep maybe permanently mount a box underneath?
Note: Most dont leave their weapon at home just because the employer says to, especially if you deal with somalians, white trash bikers, illegals from all over south of the border, and dumb ass gang members all day. Kiss my ass I aint leaving it at home, but I also wouldnt use it to protect management at the office either!!!
Out of sight, out of mind. That's how I see it. For the times that I left it in my vehicle, I bent up a box just big enough for my carry with a door and lock out of 1/4 inch sheet metal and welded it into my exploder at work.
tonantius
03-01-2011, 13:32
I have a simple policy, what no one knows won't hurt me. It is so easy to hide firearms on one's person.
tonantius
03-01-2011, 13:33
There already has been a federal appeals court ruling in Denver that your car is your property, even if it is on the employer's parking lot.
ghettodub
03-01-2011, 14:02
There already has been a federal appeals court ruling in Denver that your car is your property, even if it is on the employer's parking lot.
Got a link to that info somewhere? They specifically state in the handbook that no weapons are allowed on the property, even in a car, and it's not worth the chance of losing my job, so I don't worry too much about it.
Note: Most dont leave their weapon at home just because the employer says to, especially if you deal with somalians, white trash bikers, illegals from all over south of the border, and dumb ass gang members all day. Kiss my ass I aint leaving it at home, but I also wouldnt use it to protect management at the office either!!!
Where the hell do you work, lol?
tonantius
03-01-2011, 18:02
I don't have that handy. It was one or two years ago. I will have to search for it.
The problem is you would have to have a lawyer review it and send a letter to the employer to inform them that their policy violates the law.
I believe that Colorado Revised Statues stipulate that your car is your property and anything in it is on your property and not on the land holders property.
Federal property is a whole 'nother story. The Feds have jurisdiction on their own property.
tonantius
03-01-2011, 18:12
OK. this is the case:
U.S Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit
Bastible, etal. vs. Weyerhaeuser Company
http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/05/05-7037.pdf
ghettodub
03-01-2011, 20:30
OK. this is the case:
U.S Court of Appeals, Tenth Circuit
Bastible, etal. vs. Weyerhaeuser Company
http://www.ca10.uscourts.gov/opinions/05/05-7037.pdf
Awesome, thanks man. I'll check that out!
It doesn't really matter what the law says, they can still fire you for whatever they want with little to no recourse for you. What TFogger says about a warrant is true, but if you refused to let them search it (I would), they'd just fire you on the spot. My place of employment makes everyone sign the same kind of thing. They'll never be searching my car though.
SideShow Bob
03-01-2011, 21:04
They'll never be searching my car though.
Is it because the reek of rotten pizza will cause them to get sick to their stomachs at 50 paces ?
Due to the state of our current economy and the great job market, most of us don't want to test the legality of our employer's prohibition of firearms on company property.
Oh yeah, Bear, I thought it was you that said that if there was ever a shooting, HR would thank you. Maybe that wasn't you. That's what I was referring to.
I found out that the center console on my early 90's jimmy will hold a .30 cal ammo can. so my plan is to
A: never leave my gun in the car or B: have a padlock thru the lid and side of the can with it bolted thru the body of the car for those times i go into a courthouse or something along those lines.
Beprepared
03-02-2011, 09:56
I have kids and frequent school grounds. This one is on my short list.
http://dev.truckvault.com/smith-wesson/SmithAndWesson_QuickDraw.aspx
http://dev.truckvault.com/images/snw/S&W-QuickDraw4.jpg
Yes a hammer/crowbar could defeat the lock.
Oh yeah, Bear, I thought it was you that said that if there was ever a shooting, HR would thank you. Maybe that wasn't you. That's what I was referring to.
Neg Sir, wasn't me. I think you're referring to "MaCantar" on page 2.
I'm probably gonna get flak for this comment but....
I've always viewed this as a "better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission" situation. Screw HR... they aren't going to know you're carrying if its concealed, and the only way they'll find out is if you actually need to use it while at work, in which case they'll most likely be thanking you for having it.
Yeah this one, sorry Bear.
There is no way HR will thank you. You'd be fired before the first responder arrived.
68Charger
03-02-2011, 10:29
There is no way HR will thank you. You'd be fired before the first responder arrived.
I'm with you Irving- Corporate policy - HR Dept's, and Logic are not in the same hemisphere.
They're never about logic, or even doing what's right- they're about covering the company butt, and the company bottom line.
I completed a company-provided "active shooter awareness" web training (it was on the internal training website)- which proves they are aware shootings could occur...
it was more entertaining than useful
the recommendation from the training, in the order of preference:
Evacuate- have an escape route and plan in mind, leave your belongings, run your ass off (ok, I added that one), and Keep your hands visible (presuming LE has arrived)
I tried to have an escape route in mind & plan- both exits from the floor I work on are visible from a single point- there are a couple alternatives, involving jumping down ~10-15ft, one without even breaking a window... but they would avoid the pinch point
Hide out- Hide in an area out of the shooter's view, block entry to your hiding place and lock the doors, silence your cell phone and/or pager
I also scoped this out- all conference rooms do NOT have locks, any room on my floor with a lock on it is (you guessed it) already locked
Best I could do is hide under a desk in a cubicle...
Take action- as a last resort and only when you life is in imminent danger. Attempt to incapacitate the shooter- act with physical agression and throw items at the active shooter (they actually mentioned "like a stapler or a tape dispenser")
There was some other advice as to how to respond when law enforcement arrives (this was actually good advice, and useful- but until LE is there, we're basically screwed)
The Dept of Homeland Security crest was on the training- I don't know if they approved it, recommended it, or just allowed the use of their symbol.
ghettodub
03-02-2011, 10:38
I'm with you Irving- Corporate policy - HR Dept's, and Logic are not in the same hemisphere.
They're never about logic, or even doing what's right- they're about covering the company butt, and the company bottom line.
Agreed. It's not even worth the fight either to try to carry to work. It's not that big of a deal to me
milwaukeeshaker
03-02-2011, 19:32
What a bunch of nambie-pambies! Look all you grandma's, just carry your gun, keep it out of sight, and keep your mouth shut about the gun and no one at work, or any other place will be able to "bust" you on any rule infraction. Out of sight, out of mind. I carry mine daily at a job where they don't allow guns AND have the stupid "shooter policy" I just keep Quiet about it. Use your head, and get some balls will ya! Some of you sissies should not even be carrying a gun in the first place if you are so damn scared about it. ALL gun laws are illegal, have you ever heard of civil disobediance, practice it!
KevDen2005
03-02-2011, 20:49
I carry mine daily at a job where they don't allow guns AND have the stupid "shooter policy" I just keep Quiet about it.
What is the shooter policy?
ALL gun laws are illegal
I am sure all those courts would probably disagree with this statement, not to mention the fact that even if we feel something isn't right and the state is still enforcing it, we will probably be in jail and have those feelings
68Charger
03-02-2011, 22:26
I just keep Quiet about it.
except for posting it on a public website on the internet... [Coffee]
KevDen2005
03-03-2011, 02:28
except for posting it on a public website on the internet... [Coffee]
That wasn't nice....but funny[ROFL1]
FireMoth
03-03-2011, 03:41
Even though it may be a small portion of the time, it hink the question is legit. We all have to go into federal buildings and such some times.
I think the little biometric and lock safes are a good idea, but a little deception doesn't hurt. I had friends who disguised lock boxes int he shells of CD changers bolted into their trunks, one who figured out there was space BEHIND his glove box drawer, and one who had a single sided exhaust tha the was trying to make look like a dual to make a lock box out of (though i never saw that completed)
Point is, everyone will look in the glove box or under the seat, and the boxes will only delay some one if they can get them out.
Make them search for it, and they are more likely to give up, or get caught.
Not_A_Llama
03-03-2011, 07:28
I think a decoy/"honeypot" approach with a cheap outdated GPS or MP3 player and a bunch of dollar bills in the console/armrest will reduce the search time of your local junky rummaging through the car. They just want to cash out and move on.
Combine with a more cunningly hidden box or vehicle-mounted holster, and you should be OK.
As far as work goes, your maximum penalty is termination and maybe trespassing charges. Balance that against your perceived threats.
KevDen2005
03-03-2011, 09:10
As far as work goes, your maximum penalty is termination and maybe trespassing charges. Balance that against your perceived threats.
Not that I am disagreeing with you exactly because I am the type that would still carry, but in this day in age it could be balanced a lot more towards keeping the job....just saying, some people have had extremely hard times looking for employment and they may do whatever it takes to keep that job
ghettodub
03-03-2011, 09:20
What a bunch of nambie-pambies! Look all you grandma's, just carry your gun, keep it out of sight, and keep your mouth shut about the gun and no one at work, or any other place will be able to "bust" you on any rule infraction. Out of sight, out of mind. I carry mine daily at a job where they don't allow guns AND have the stupid "shooter policy" I just keep Quiet about it. Use your head, and get some balls will ya! Some of you sissies should not even be carrying a gun in the first place if you are so damn scared about it. ALL gun laws are illegal, have you ever heard of civil disobediance, practice it!
Or I could just avoid the hassle of potentially getting in trouble or losing my job and not carry to work. Just as easy... Jobs are too few and far between to cause problems when not necessary
milwaukeeshaker
03-03-2011, 09:27
68charger, Tell me, where do I work?? You don't know? Neither does anyone else.
FireMoth
03-03-2011, 09:44
I think that if i read the original post i saw some one asking how best to secure the fire arm WHEN they have to leave it in the vehicle.
In answer, there have been a lot of replies about when or why the fire arm should or shouldnt be left behind.
I submit to you that if you NEVER, EVER have cause to leave your firearm behind in your vehicle, then you have little to contribute, since the OP asked about methods of securing arms in a car, which you have no reason to know anything about, because you don't do it.
For those of us who, whether we like it or not, have to occasionally un-holster, the question was about when we do, how we choose to keep our carry piece secure.
Perhaps we can start a new thread entitled "when or why should i take my gun off... or not?" to discuss the related matter.
In the mean time, i personally would be interested in seeing more answers to the OP's question, as i think its very pertinent to real life.
ghettodub
03-03-2011, 09:51
It's the internet, not surprising that a thread gets de-railed...
When I have to leave mine in the car, I have a DAC safe in the trunk currently that I toss it in. And when the kiddies are around, that safe comes in the house.
FireMoth
03-03-2011, 10:03
IS that DAC something you can anchor to the vehicle?
I see a lot of little safes and lock boxes with wire anchors, that frankly, i don't trust much.
Plenty of people have drilled through safe and car to permanently anchor, but i think it would be cool if there was something with studs you left attached to the car, that you could just take it on and off of, with a keyed lock, or releases you have to get to from inside the lock box.
ghettodub
03-03-2011, 10:14
IS that DAC something you can anchor to the vehicle?
I see a lot of little safes and lock boxes with wire anchors, that frankly, i don't trust much.
Plenty of people have drilled through safe and car to permanently anchor, but i think it would be cool if there was something with studs you left attached to the car, that you could just take it on and off of, with a keyed lock, or releases you have to get to from inside the lock box.
Yup, sure is. The guy I got it from on here had done something similar with his car, so there is a plate on the bottom of it with bolt holes, which I adapted to my car
To answer the OP again, not much more can be said than what has been posted.
If you have to leave your firearm in your vehicle:
Unsecured: in center console, glove box, under seat, trunk, etc.
Secured: in safe box in center console, glove box, under seat, trunk, etc.
A quick google search will turn up a myriad of car type safes. Wire bands/chains are easily broken. Probably want something you can bolt down. Or if you're looking for ideas, you can always peel back your door cover or seat cover, but a box in there and replace the cover, etc....
FireMoth
03-03-2011, 10:54
Yup, sure is. The guy I got it from on here had done something similar with his car, so there is a plate on the bottom of it with bolt holes, which I adapted to my car
So it was modified? Do you know of any that COME with that kind of mounting bracket?
ghettodub
03-03-2011, 10:56
So it was modified? Do you know of any that COME with that kind of mounting bracket?
DAC sells a mounting plate for stuff just like that
http://www.dactec.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=87&category_id=17&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=60
68Charger
03-03-2011, 12:44
68charger, Tell me, where do I work?? You don't know? Neither does anyone else.
I don't care to know... but if I did, or really needed to, I could find out- not that difficult- but not really worth my time.
The point of my "funny" reply was that I wouldn't discuss it anywhere. It's my business, revealing that information either way is not a good idea, IMHO.
Back on the OP's topic... the problem is something that's easy to put your weapon into, get it out of, isn't obvious when you're doing so, but also secures it as best as possible...
These are somewhat mutually exclusive, so it's a difficult problem to solve...
usually requires something clever, that's unique to the vehicle... I wonder if anyone makes electric gun locks like the shotgun/AR mounts for police vehicles, but for a pistol? that way, it's locked in it's hiding place when you shut off the vehicle, but automatically unlocks for quick access when key is on... not 100% secure, as somebody could hack it apart, or even steal the whole vehicle...
mrfish83
03-03-2011, 13:58
I like the console vault idea - http://consolevault.com/vehicle-vaults/
It's just a bit pricey (~$300) for me.
Hmm..camouflaging may be a better idea than reinforcing... why not put one of the biometric security boxes inside, say, an old beat up Igloo cooler(bolted through to the floor, of course)? Chances of someone peering into your vehicle and deciding they are going to jack your sandwich are probably lower than them wanting to steal your 5 year old cd changer.
68Charger
03-03-2011, 16:12
Hmm..camouflaging may be a better idea than reinforcing... why not put one of the biometric security boxes inside, say, an old beat up Igloo cooler(bolted through to the floor, of course)? Chances of someone peering into your vehicle and deciding they are going to jack your sandwich are probably lower than them wanting to steal your 5 year old cd changer.
unless they're hungry [Swim]
disguise as something nobody would want- or only a liberal would want- because they would run screaming if they saw a gun?
OK, now I'm just trying to be funny, but you're talking "security through obscurity" make it look like something they wouldn't want, or even care about. a little of both would help.. something repulsive may keep them from breaking into the car in the first place...
ghettodub
03-03-2011, 16:26
unless they're hungry [Swim]
disguise as something nobody would want- or only a liberal would want- because they would run screaming if they saw a gun?
OK, now I'm just trying to be funny, but you're talking "security through obscurity" make it look like something they wouldn't want, or even care about. a little of both would help.. something repulsive may keep them from breaking into the car in the first place...
What, like a Rush Limbaugh book that's really a gun safe? [Coffee]
http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Everything_Stolen_Already.jpg
I figured this topic was already in the bag. My guess would have been there were a number of folks on a board like this that had to unholster and secured a firearm in the car on occassion.
Firemoth and others – Thanks for attempting to hold the original coarse and steering us back on topic!
With some additional research and the google search I have a variety of results and possible solutions. I’ll post them here as I’m hoping to find a solution to the current need that’s cost effective and works!
Gunvault – Microvault - > $100 - http://www.gunvault.com/handgun-safes/microvault.html (http://www.gunvault.com/handgun-safes/microvault.html)
Titan Security – Vault - > $300 - http://www.titangunvault.com/gun-safe/titan-gun-vault (http://www.titangunvault.com/gun-safe/titan-gun-vault)
T & T Safes – Console Safe - >$300 - http://shop.advancedpistolsafes.com/category.sc?categoryId=6 (http://shop.advancedpistolsafes.com/category.sc?categoryId=6)
Tufloc – Tufbox - >$100 - http://www.sirennet.com/tl76-119.html (http://www.sirennet.com/tl76-119.html)
Tuffy – Compact - <$100 - http://www.tuffyproducts.com/p-100-029-compact-security-lockbox.aspx (http://www.tuffyproducts.com/p-100-029-compact-security-lockbox.aspx)
**Leaving off Console lockers as they are “truck” specific and this is for a car.
Please if anyone has experience with any of the above or another not mentioned please let me know.
newracer
03-04-2011, 17:39
I have the larger Gunvault for home storage, it has worked well for numerous years.
Cut a slit in the side of your passenger front seat. Sew it back up with a zipper the same color as the seat. Unzip, stick gun in seat, zip up, buy a seat cover. Thread over, I win.
Cut a slit in the side of your passenger front seat. Sew it back up with a zipper the same color as the seat. Unzip, stick gun in seat, zip up, buy a seat cover. Thread over, I win.
Dude what kinda car are you driving? I have a tough time getting my cell out when dropped between the seats and the center console. I drive a full size car too!!
Thread over for Irving he wins a trip the dealership to trade in his 1979 hooptie [ROFL1]
I have the larger Gunvault for home storage, it has worked well for numerous years.
I like the idea of the Micro knowing that it's a deterrant and not a safe
With all the illegal contraband crossing borders and traveling along interstate highways on a daily basis it really isn't all that difficult to conceal things in most vehicles. I'm sure if you look closely in your vehicle there are cup holders or a storage compartment of some sort that removes easily for cleaning and there may be an area behind/under those areas where a handgun can be easily hidden yet not easily found. I had a chance years ago to help local law enforcement find a large quantity of cocaine that was discretely hidden in an S-class Mercedes when their drug dogs went off on the car but the police couldn't find anything. Things can be hidden in vehicles if you just use a little ingenuity.
[Beer]
I've been considering one of these.
http://www.center-of-mass.com/Store_InCarGunSafe.htm
DeusExMachina
03-05-2011, 16:49
Agreed. It's not even worth the fight either to try to carry to work. It's not that big of a deal to me
We all know from the other thread, concealed carry is not that big of a deal to you. :)
I just received the Mircovault from gunvault. This was purchase for less than $100 and is intended for additional security for leaving my piece in the car.
Gunvault – Microvault - > $100 - http://www.gunvault.com/handgun-safes/microvault.html (http://www.gunvault.com/handgun-safes/microvault.html)
At first blush I like the set-up. It’s actually heavier than I thought it would be. The buttons on the top are fairly easy to use, I created a code that doesn’t require (2) simultaneous touches and the units has worked flawlessly. There is plenty of room for my 5” Valor and a mag or two.
Here are a couple pics
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/cj_more/Gun%20Vault/IMG_5683.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/cj_more/Gun%20Vault/IMG_5686.jpg
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh2/cj_more/Gun%20Vault/IMG_5680.jpg
DeusExMachina
03-11-2011, 10:41
How are you securing it in the car and where?
ChunkyMonkey
03-11-2011, 11:43
Steel wire
Provided steel wire
My intention is for it to slide under the passenger front seat from the back.
That way I can sit in the car, remove gun from holster
slide the safe out the back from under the passenger front seat
enter code
place weapon in safe
and slide back under front seat from behind
All while comfortably seated.
I’m also looking at this as theft deterrent rather than prevention.
This is not a “strong” box “SAFE”.
DeusExMachina
03-11-2011, 12:13
Theft prevention in a car is kind of silly, anyway. :) Since you can just steal a car.
That was exactly my idea. I'm going to try under the front of the seat when I get one. I didn't know it came with a steel cable, very nice.
I have the larger safe for my night stand, so having something similar will be nice.
Theft prevention in a car is kind of silly, anyway. :) Since you can just steal a car.
EXACTLY
Poofengle
03-11-2011, 16:36
I bought one of these awhile ago at Staples or Office Depot for holding money (cost about $20). I lined it with foam that I had lying around, and it holds my Glock 27 and mags perfectly (pictured with 15 rounder in gun, and 2 nine rounders as extra). It even comes with mounting holes and hardware. I just haven't taken the time to mount it anywhere yet. They had a few other sizes too I believe (I got the small one). Just an FYI if anyone is tight on cash and was looking for a cheaper lockbox.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z113/poofengle/IMAG0061.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z113/poofengle/IMAG0060.jpg
hurley842002
03-11-2011, 16:56
Thanks for the heads up on that box Poofengle, I will certainly be checking out Office Depot this weekend for that one.
68Charger
03-11-2011, 17:15
That's a tight fit- I can just see someone in Office Depot checking to see if their CCW will fit in the store... when an employee comes over "may I help--- AAHHHHHH!!!"
Poofengle
03-11-2011, 17:45
Yeah, it's pretty much a perfect fit in there, less than a quarter inch on either side of it. I looked up the measurements of the Glock one day, and I realized the box had about the same dimensions. When I first tested the pistol in there I felt so accomplished. It was like sliding the last piece of a jigsaw puzzle together. I love that box for that reason :D
Dude what kinda car are you driving? I have a tough time getting my cell out when dropped between the seats and the center console. I drive a full size car too!!
Thread over for Irving he wins a trip the dealership to trade in his 1979 hooptie [ROFL1]
I meant in the vertical part of the seat.
Things can be hidden in vehicles if you just use a little ingenuity.
[Beer]
There is room for about three pistols and extra mags behind most stereos.
gnihcraes
03-11-2011, 20:47
Steel wire
Dog collar type chain would be better. Steel Wire can be cut really easy.
I'll take a photo of my setup tomorrow.
Dog collar type chain would be better. Steel Wire can be cut really easy.
I'll take a photo of my setup tomorrow.
Not trying to burst your bubble but whatever someone has for cutting a steel cable will probably cut your dog collar chain just as easily. Just saying.
[Beer]
Byte Stryke
03-12-2011, 12:44
Honestly there is no theft proof as already stated earlier, Just varying degrees of theft resistance.
any argument beyond that is just silly.
Small Box, Secure to the vehicle in one manner or another should suffice just fine.
Given an 8 hour shift someone could theoretically breach an armored car to steal your gun if properly equipped and motivated to do so.
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