Print This and Put it In Your Kid's Wallet

[bryjcom]

Good idea to have this with them at all times. I'm printing and laminating one for my 8 year old and I'm going to walk into the school office and hand them one as well.

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/636/03/636_1299086602.pdf

[gnihcraes]

Thanks for that. I'll print them out and do the same, make sure one is in the kids file at each school.

[Hayes]

that's cool. If I had kids, I'd give one to each.

[weirjf]

I'm going to do that but on the back I'm going to have an emancipation contract in the event they actually did something really bad.

[bryjcom]

I'm going to do that but on the back I'm going to have an emancipation contract in the event they actually did something really bad.

Well officer, I'll tell you if that's my kid if you tell me what he did first????

[Bowtie]

Its kind of sad that we need to send that with our kids.The schools with zero tolerance have zero common sense.

[KevDen2005]

Well officer, I'll tell you if that's my kid if you tell me what he did first????


So if it's something bad are you not going to claim your child?

[Bailey Guns]

I think if I were going to give that to my kid I'd rewrite it so it makes sense.

[gnihcraes]

I think if I were going to give that to my kid I'd rewrite it so it makes sense.

Do tell.[Pepsi]

[Bailey Guns]

Do tell.[Pepsi]

"Due to my rights...I will not waive my rights"

"...when a law enforcement officer requests an interrogation of any incident..."

Seriously? That makes sense to you? In 15 years as a LEO I never interrogated an incident.

I also find it ironic that people are arguing against "zero tolerance" and supporting this. Isn't this a form of zero tolerance? "Any incident"...???

Teacher: "Johnny...did you shoot that spitwad at Susie?"
Johnny: "I'm not going to answer that question. My daddy told me to give this card to you. I wanna speak to my lawyer."

As a parent I'd prefer to make it clear to the school administration that, should a serious incident regarding alleged misbehavior or illegal behavior by my child occur, I'd want to be notified immediately and be present before my child was interrogated. I also wouldn't put the responsibility on a young child of making a decision on whether or not to answer questions from a police officer or school administrator regarding "any incident".

If it's a minor behavioral problem, I'd expect the school officials to handle it and let me know.

[weirjf]

So if it's something bad are you not going to claim your child?

Depends... bad like "has been selling crack in the lunch room and burned down the gym" bad?

[Byte Stryke]

"Due to my rights...I will not waive my rights"

"...when a law enforcement officer requests an interrogation of any incident..."

Seriously? That makes sense to you? In 15 years as a LEO I never interrogated an incident.

I also find it ironic that people are arguing against "zero tolerance" and supporting this. Isn't this a form of zero tolerance? "Any incident"...???

Teacher: "Johnny...did you shoot that spitwad at Susie?"
Johnny: "I'm not going to answer that question. My daddy told me to give this card to you. I wanna speak to my lawyer."

As a parent I'd prefer to make it clear to the school administration that, should a serious incident regarding alleged misbehavior or illegal behavior by my child occur, I'd want to be notified immediately and be present before my child was interrogated. I also wouldn't put the responsibility on a young child of making a decision on whether or not to answer questions from a police officer or school administrator regarding "any incident".

If it's a minor behavioral problem, I'd expect the school officials to handle it and let me know.

The problem with the educational systems these days is that:

Teacher: "Johnny...did you shoot that spitwad at Susie?"
Johnny:Yes, Ma'am


This admission turns into a Felony assault case, The parents sue you in civil court and your son gets dragged out of school in handcuffs and you lose custody for some obscure city worker aspiring to make AG.
Let's face it, Our society has turned into a Knee-jerk self serving society. A society where a child's words or illustrations may be used to make a judgment of perceived threat without actually ascertaining the full spectrum of that situation. Decisions are not made based on what is best for the child or even whats best for the class, but instead "How will this decision benefit ME?"

So yeah, if my son were in school, he might well have one of those on him.
Last thing my son needs is a lifetime being branded as a "sexual offender" all because he kissed a little girl when he was 3.

[hip55]

The problem with the educational systems these days is that:

Teacher: "Johnny...did you shoot that spitwad at Susie?"
Johnny:Yes, Ma'am


This admission turns into a Felony assault case, The parents sue you in civil court and your son gets dragged out of school in handcuffs and you lose custody for some obscure city worker aspiring to make AG.
Let's face it, Our society has turned into a Knee-jerk self serving society. A society where a child's words or illustrations may be used to make a judgment of perceived threat without actually ascertaining the full spectrum of that situation. Decisions are not made based on what is best for the child or even whats best for the class, but instead "How will this decision benefit ME?"

So yeah, if my son were in school, he might well have one of those on him.
Last thing my son needs is a lifetime being branded as a "sexual offender" all because he kissed a little girl when he was 3.

Well said.

[Bailey Guns]

The problem with the educational systems these days is that:

Teacher: "Johnny...did you shoot that spitwad at Susie?"
Johnny:Yes, Ma'am


This admission turns into a Felony assault case, The parents sue you in civil court and your son gets dragged out of school in handcuffs and you lose custody for some obscure city worker aspiring to make AG.
Let's face it, Our society has turned into a Knee-jerk self serving society. A society where a child's words or illustrations may be used to make a judgment of perceived threat without actually ascertaining the full spectrum of that situation. Decisions are not made based on what is best for the child or even whats best for the class, but instead "How will this decision benefit ME?"

So yeah, if my son were in school, he might well have one of those on him.
Last thing my son needs is a lifetime being branded as a "sexual offender" all because he kissed a little girl when he was 3.

I'm no fan of our public education system nor most of those responsible for administering it.

Your illustration goes far beyond problems with the public education system, though, and strikes me as a little melodramatic.

[spyder]

I figure, just teach your child right from wrong, parent them, don't just raise them. Teach them to do everything in their power to get a teacher in the mix of whatever is going on before ever defending themselves (if ever in that kind of situation). If they did do something bad, then they should be punnished (not the overboard bs). If they were innoscent and are harrassed or god for bid taken to jail like that poor other child, lawyer up and sue.

[Byte Stryke]

I'm no fan of our public education system nor most of those responsible for administering it.

Your illustration goes far beyond problems with the public education system, though, and strikes me as a little melodramatic.

sadly the example I gave is becoming the rule instead of the exception
http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/14/autistic-child-charged-with-terrorism-over-school-drawing/
Full story here: http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/14-year-old-autistic-boy-charged-051210

An Autistic child (No room for "we didn't know" here) with the mentality of a 3rd grader.

The childish drawing included the helpful labels “me” for the figure pointing the gun at the other figure, labeled “Hartman.” Hartman was not amused and, despite the fact that Finn has only 75 IQ, Finn was charged with a terrorism felony.Terrorist felony for a (Mentally) 3rd grader
lets hear again about how I am Melodramatic.

and I would ask you re-read my initial post, I fault our society and the school system as a part of such.

Let's face it, Our society has turned into a Knee-jerk self serving society. A society where a child's words or illustrations may be used to make a judgment of perceived threat without actually ascertaining the full spectrum of that situation.Because, well, the schools teach our society.

But yeah, thanks for playing.

[Bailey Guns]

I fail to see how you can accurately assert this is becoming the norm. How many similar instances went unreported and/or were handled appropriately? That's right. You DON'T know. You may believe it's becoming the norm based on some limited anecdotal evidence but that doesn't make it so.

And I think parents are oftentimes as much at fault as the school system. I would expect parents to teach their kids values...to be active in balancing inappropriate things learned in school with appropriate things learned at home.

And when parents learn of inappropriate curriculums being taught in school it's incumbent upon the parents to hold school administrators and teachers accountable.

[Byte Stryke]

I fail to see how you can accurately assert this is becoming the norm. How many similar instances went unreported and/or were handled appropriately? That's right. You DON'T know. You may believe it's becoming the norm based on some limited anecdotal evidence but that doesn't make it so.

And I think parents are oftentimes as much at fault as the school system. I would expect parents to teach their kids values...to be active in balancing inappropriate things learned in school with appropriate things learned at home.

And when parents learn of inappropriate curriculum being taught in school it's incumbent upon the parents to hold school administrators and teachers accountable.


Two children THIS WEEK will be forever marred.
Whats your acceptable limit?

[Bailey Guns]

And what if I said, "One"? And what if I said, "One thousand"? How is that relevant to the problem.

Doesn't change the fact you're making assertions (such as "forever marred") that you can't substantiate.

More melodrama.

Is there a problem? Yes. Is anything we say here going to change it? No.

[KevDen2005]

Depends... bad like "has been selling crack in the lunch room and burned down the gym" bad?


Yeah, sounds pretty bad, probably wouldn't claim my kid...but seriously, after reading through the posts I am going to have to side with Baily on this one

[Bailey Guns]

Yeah, sounds pretty bad, probably wouldn't claim my kid...but seriously, after reading through the posts I am going to have to side with Baily on this one

There goes your reputation...

[Coffee]

[Ranger]

Anyone who feels their child needs to have this card and present it depresses me. Not for the parent or the child (while tragic) but for the state of things right now that makes someone feel this is needed.

[Byte Stryke]

And what if I said, "One"? And what if I said, "One thousand"? How is that relevant to the problem.

Doesn't change the fact you're making assertions (such as "forever marred") that you can't substantiate.

More melodrama.

Is there a problem? Yes. Is anything we say here going to change it? No.


Pretty sure a Charge of terrorism is going to go on your "permanent Record."
and you are absolutely correct, trying to move people to action never works.

[/done]

[bryjcom]

This card was created because of an 11 year old boy getting arrested because of a drawing.
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-arvada-police-arrest-11yearold-over-inappropriate-stick-figure-drawing-20110221,0,7099823.story

Apparently the school didn't make a big deal of it but cops came at night and the kid's mom told the boy something like, " go ahead and tell the police the truth honey"..... Next thing you know they are handcuffing an 11 year old. The mother should have told them to come back with a warrant if they want to talk to her kid.

I didn't make the card and it could probably be worded better. I do think it will come in handy though.

When I was in 8th grade I got called down to the dean's office only to find a detective there investigating some school bus windows getting shot out. Detective went on to say that they had witnesses and informants that say I did it along with my brother and friend and how I need to just come out and admit it. When you are about 13 years old it is pretty intimidating to dispute a police detective. There was no notifying my parents or anything like that. Luckily I held my ground and they ended up finding the real kids that did it.

They also interrogated my friend and my brother who was in 6th grade at the time.

Everybody wants to believe that all of the police and teachers are good decent people, but unfortunetley that is not true.

[bryjcom]

I'm no fan of our public education system nor most of those responsible for administering it.

Your illustration goes far beyond problems with the public education system, though, and strikes me as a little melodramatic.

There are plenty of examples of cops and school's taking things to the extreme.

Here are some from the police.

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-jeffco-boy-facing-felony-charges-over-airsoft-gun-20110127,0,4458661.story

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/11-year-old-co-boy-arrested-for-innapropriate-stick-figure-drawing/

[Irving]

I always side with Bailey no matter what. People who live outside of Denver metro are just inherently smarter than the rest of us.

[gnihcraes]

My son was being bothered by another child in third grade I believe, my son finally blurted out loud "stop f**king bothering me" loud enough that many people heard it. Parents were called, suspended from school for a day. Child and Parent had a talking too by school administrators. Nothing happened to the kid that was causing the problems to begin with.

We have 12-15 year old kids on FELONY sex offense probation at work for grab ass on a girl. Routine stuff when I was a kid, today who knows what you're going to get.

I seriously don't like what has happened to Jacob for the air soft incident, and this other kid for the stick figures. I cannot imagine having one of my kids destroyed by the legal system that we're seeing here in Jeffco lately, especially if they haul my kid into questioning without myself present or legal representation.

I have a meeting with a person Friday morning that will have great insight into this, I'll see what they have to say about it.

[KevDen2005]

There goes your reputation...

[Coffee]


Lol, and of course I didn't catch my misspelling when I wrote that...sorry

Yeah, my reputation seems to have gone down the drain but seriously, sometimes you have to think about logic and common sense (although, not that common)

[mx'r]

My son was being bothered by another child in third grade I believe, my son finally blurted out loud "stop f**king bothering me" loud enough that many people heard it. Parents were called, suspended from school for a day. Child and Parent had a talking too by school administrators. Nothing happened to the kid that was causing the problems to begin with.

We have 12-15 year old kids on FELONY sex offense probation at work for grab ass on a girl. Routine stuff when I was a kid, today who knows what you're going to get.

I seriously don't like what has happened to Jacob for the air soft incident, and this other kid for the stick figures. I cannot imagine having one of my kids destroyed by the legal system that we're seeing here in Jeffco lately, especially if they haul my kid into questioning without myself present or legal representation.

I have a meeting with a person Friday morning that will have great insight into this, I'll see what they have to say about it.


Agree 100%. If I could only post what my 15 year old son is going through with the Jeffco legal system... I'm really considering moving back to Park County when this current problem is dealt with.

[weirjf]

My son was being bothered by another child in third grade I believe, my son finally blurted out loud "stop f**king bothering me" loud enough that many people heard it. Parents were called, suspended from school for a day. Child and Parent had a talking too by school administrators. Nothing happened to the kid that was causing the problems to begin with.

We have 12-15 year old kids on FELONY sex offense probation at work for grab ass on a girl. Routine stuff when I was a kid, today who knows what you're going to get.

I seriously don't like what has happened to Jacob for the air soft incident, and this other kid for the stick figures. I cannot imagine having one of my kids destroyed by the legal system that we're seeing here in Jeffco lately, especially if they haul my kid into questioning without myself present or legal representation.

I have a meeting with a person Friday morning that will have great insight into this, I'll see what they have to say about it.

Schools have taken this "no tolerance" policy on everything, all it has done is made the bullies sneaky and the victims helpless. Natural order of things is:

person bullies someone else
that person finally has enough and snaps
bully gets crap beat out of them

now its

person bullies someone while other people aren't watching
victim defends themselves physically or verbally
victim gets expelled

what a load of crap

[spyder]

Another factor about all of this is the attitude in the bigger areas like the springs and denver. More people that have to be pleased with the result. Like I said, here in this lil town, my daughter head butt, and decked an older boy for picking on her. Nothing happened to her, the boy got 3 days, I think that is what my wife said... Either way, he won't, hasn't said another word to my lil girl. Anyway, there is still some "little" town mentality here where everything isn't all blown out of whack. That little shit deserved it, my kid was in her rights. In the end, no one argued.

[Byte Stryke]

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/05/14/autistic-boy-faces-felony-rap-for-stick-figure-sketch/


"It's that sweeping, zero-tolerance [attitude]," Finn said, "and I just think that it's ridiculous."