Patches,Flags, t-shirts, cap[s

[Marlin]

throw Your Ideas here. :mrgreen:

[2ndChildhood]

Like I said in the other thread, a club flag that we could put up at the monthly shoots would be a cool thing - a rallying point of sorts.

[Marlin]

I have offered My Colorado flag before.

[HunterCO]

I would use the logo that we already have. Looks good to me.

[RYAN50BMG]

Dern, I gotta type all this again :evil: I will check on a flag/sign this week. My "Dragon Arms Full Auto Shooting Team" sign only cost 50-60$. See the "What do you dream about?" thread in the photo gallery. Also, there is a place here(Springs) that I had the "Rocky Mountain Fifty Caliber Shooters Assn." WWW.RMFCSA.ORG" :mrgreen:patches done. They were 2.00$ apiece,BUT, you have to order at least 100. I would be willing to front the $$$ to have patches made,(and you pay me when you get 'em) if the interest is there.Ryan

[Wallary]

Is there a place we can send a donation for the Co. AR-15 Shooters Club Flag? We'll probably need a portable flag pole, Something that will hold up in the wind. Also would it be proper to fly Old Glory at the top of the pole? My friend "Jonathan" ( he's the guy with the 50-Cal. at the north shoot ) makes a killer target stand. If modified slightly it just might do the trick to support a flag pole. Let me know what you need and I'll get on it! Larry [usa]

[HunterCO]

Is there a place we can send a donation for the Co. AR-15 Shooters Club Flag? We'll probably need a portable flag pole, Something that will hold up in the wind. Also would it be proper to fly Old Glory at the top of the pole? My friend "Jonathan" ( he's the guy with the 50-Cal. at the north shoot ) makes a killer target stand. If modified slightly it just might do the trick to support a flag pole. Let me know what you need and I'll get on it! Larry [usa]

I already found a place that makes custom flags sent the the COAR15 logo at the top and they are supposed to get back to me in the next day or two. Sounds like it will be around $160. We will need a stand and pole though will let everybody know what they say.

That was for a 3X5 if you want bigger let me know.

[2ndChildhood]

I already found a place that makes custom flags sent the the COAR15 logo at the top and they are supposed to get back to me in the next day or two. Sounds like it will be around $160. We will need a stand and pole though will let everybody know what they say.

That was for a 3X5 if you want bigger let me know.

Dunno, 3X5 is plenty big (maybe too big if we want to put the Stars & Stripes above it), since we're talking a comparatively short pole if it's going to be easily transported. I'm definitely in to help with flag & pole costs.

Also, Ryan, I'm good for a couple patches if you do this.

[XJ]

How about a shirt or hat that is understated, as in, not screaming out: this guy has a gun under his shirt!


An embroidered knit shirt say, or hat with the logo we are used to seeing in the upper left corner (add a magazine tho, :roll: )

[Marlin]

OK, so Why talk about it for those wishing to contribute, PM Me and I'll PM you My address. Send what ever You want, And I'll get the money to Ryan.


Good enough.


I'll do it since our "official" treasury agent is out of town. {Snacko}

[Marlin]

In fact I'll be the First, I just sent Myself $25, should be here in a couple of days. [wink]

[Wallary]

I already found a place that makes custom flags sent the the COAR15 logo at the top and they are supposed to get back to me in the next day or two. Sounds like it will be around $160. We will need a stand and pole though will let everybody know what they say.

That was for a 3X5 if you want bigger let me know.

Dunno, 3X5 is plenty big (maybe too big if we want to put the Stars & Stripes above it), since we're talking a comparatively short pole if it's going to be easily transported. I'm definitely in to help with flag & pole costs.

Also, Ryan, I'm good for a couple patches if you do this. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...... As far as the length of the pole, We can make it out of PVC plastic pipe w/ threaded connections (4)- 4' lengths should make a nice light weight very portable 16' foot pole. The base can be anchored to the ground W/ spikes and use ropes to teather it to the ground. [usa]

[Greg H.]

As far as the length of the pole, We can make it out of PVC plastic pipe w/ threaded connections (4)- 4' lengths should make a nice light weight very portable 16' foot pole. The base can be anchored to the ground W/ spikes and use ropes to teather it to the ground. [usa]


Hmmm.

PVC is light, but, tends to snap when cold, and bend under load when hot. It is not UV stable, and will get brittle.

When I was in the SCA, I had a 24 inch SS spike with a couple of rings in one end about 6 inches apart. Driven into the ground so that the bottom ring was about 4 inched above the ground, it would take all but the real heavy winds.
It used a horazantal pole at the top that 1 large banner banner or 2 smaller banners ( 1 on each side of the main pole ) could be hung from. It had a 8-10 main pole, and the 3-4 ft top pole was held in place by a small plate, with 2 more rings and a stud that was welded in place to prevent the small plate from sliding all the way to the bottom of the main pole.
The main pole was 1 1/2 inch closet rod and could be made from wood or better yet fiberglass.
I have the spike some where, and I also have the stand for use in areas where you couldn't drive the spike into the ground ( like parking lots ) - but, it didn't do so well in the wind.


[usa]

[Wallary]

Your right about that Greg ! We should use something like light gauge steel. Poss. 1" to 1 1/2" Dia. What do you think? :?:

[Greg H.]

Your right about that Greg ! We should use something like light gauge steel. Poss. 1" to 1 1/2" Dia. What do you think? :?:

If we can find it, fiberglass would be best.

Prehaps the telescoping handle from a pole saw.

[usa]

[2ndChildhood]

If we can find it, fiberglass would be best.

Perhaps the telescoping handle from a pole saw.
[usa]

Or fairly cheap would be one of those telescoping poles for painting ceilings.
- 2C

[HunterCO]

Here is the deal guys I have a 3X5 American flag and I just got an email from the flag place it is $165 for a COAR15 flag in 3X5. The flag will be the logo at the top of the site you want me to order it?

Speak up and let me know if everybody wants it I will order it and probably have it by the next shoot.

[usa]

[2ndChildhood]

I'm in on the flag for $20.
-2C

[AR Will]

Dern, I gotta type all this again :evil: I will check on a flag/sign this week. My "Dragon Arms Full Auto Shooting Team" sign only cost 50-60$. See the "What do you dream about?" thread in the photo gallery. Also, there is a place here(Springs) that I had the "Rocky Mountain Fifty Caliber Shooters Assn." WWW.RMFCSA.ORG" :mrgreen:patches done. They were 2.00$ apiece,BUT, you have to order at least 100. I would be willing to front the $$$ to have patches made,(and you pay me when you get 'em) if the interest is there.Ryan


Ryan,
There is a place right over by us that deos t-shirts, hats etc. I use them for my pizza shop. They have really good rates less than 10 shirt no screen costs. I'd be interested in a few shirts and patches. Maybe we could set somthing up and go in on some. I think there is an interest and would be willing to help.

William

[GearHead]

I'm in for $20 for the flag..
I would like a shirt too..

[Marlin]

Hunter, Give it two days and if a better price is not found go for it, As for the Money, don't worry about it I now have at least $140.00. Thanks to one member that shall remain known only to Himself and I, His wishes, I want You guys to thank Him Though. I'm sure He'll see the Thread.

[GearHead]

[snoopy] THANKS!

[Marlin]

OBTW, I know where I can get Two 1 1/2" 10' sticks of GRC {that would be Galvanized Ridged Conduit for you laymen [wink]} If You want them. It might require stealth. [blackeye]

[chain.60]

Hold on Hold on I have 6 fiber glass
military masts @4 feet long each
that are used for ham radio coms.
out in the field. used with a small
tripod and three RR tie spikes.
I may even be talk out of the 6
mast. you haft to supply tripod
and 3 RRspikes.
Talk to me if interested.
Bill

[Wallary]

Hold on Hold on I have 6 fiber glass
military masts @4 feet long each
that are used for ham radio coms.
out in the field. used with a small
tripod and three RR tie spikes.
I may even be talk out of the 6
mast. you haft to supply tripod
and 3 RRspikes.
Talk to me if interested.
Bill Hey Bill ! That sounds like a great flag pole you got there. I can't picture what it looks like ? Can you attach a couple of 3x5 flags to it? If for some reason it doesn't work out , I have the 8' to 16' fiberglass painters pole. Not too practical to carry it in a car though. In both cases how do you attach the flags so they don't wrap around the pole? I thought maybe drill a hole in the pole and add a eye bolt and connect a metal ring through the eyebolt and attach the flag to the ring. What do you think? Larry :?:

[chain.60]

Larry,
You could drill a hole in to one mast
for a flag. Or you could use a snall
pully and rope to raise or lower the flags.
drill hole in top mast attach small pully
and rope.
Two flags yes
Bill

[7idl]

I'd like to recommend we get at least 3 quotes for everything we do.


I nominate Marlin to be the keeper of the flags (he's at all the shoots anyway~) ;)


I also recommend a single flag on a pole (unless the pole we select is strong enough for both)

[HunterCO]

I'd like to recommend we get at least 3 quotes for everything we do.


I nominate Marlin to be the keeper of the flags (he's at all the shoots anyway~) ;)


I also recommend a single flag on a pole (unless the pole we select is strong enough for both)

If everybody wants me to order the flag I already decided to give it to Marlin for the reasons you stated.

I have checked into it and that is about an average price if anybody finds one cheaper thats great. I will wait untill thursday if nobody can find a better deal I will order it.

I say we make a pole for two flags we have to have the greatest flag in the world. [usa] [headbang]

[Meateater]

The flag/banner is a great idea.

Also, I think we should make up Club t-shirts with the CO-AR15 logo on the BACK to identify "friendly" forces, and plan on wearing them to every organized shoot. I don't want to look like a tool out there like some family at Disney, but at least we won't look like every other yahoo, and will be identified as the responsible guys who are safe and tidy. It is (almost) free advertising and might encourage weekend warriors to join, be more responsible, and possibly seek some training. We did this at my last gun club (Northern Illinois Tactical) and it worked well. We could make a cool understated design in subdued tones like OD or Flat Earth shirts with black lettering. Anyone know where we can get some shirts printed up cheaply?

[BadShot]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Velcro backed patch that would fit the 5.11 hats, or even a nice subdued hat with the logo as well. I'd be game for one of the T's if their not gaudy.

[Meateater]

Check out this design--pretty simple. If we get a dozen the cost is $16/shirt before shipping.
http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=garends1%40comcast.net&F=arco

[Marlin]

Interesting.

[7idl]

that's a start..but we's gots to have colour!

[Meateater]

The subdued look is high-speed, and full color costs tons more, but whatever everyone wants.

[7idl]

the current logo doesn't look that hot (to me) in subdued. For this, I say color.


now I'm sure we can come up with something else in subdued or maybe modify the current one to make it look better in two tone. Definately need to do away with the 'box' around the logo.

[PsychoI3oy]

My only suggestion is that we include the website's address on the shirt.

I.e. on the front instead of

Colorado
ar15.com

it should be

CO-AR15.com

[7idl]

thats CO-AR15.COM to you newbies! :twisted:

[PsychoI3oy]

isn't that what i said? :oops:

[7idl]

sure it is.....4 minutes after I posted :P

[PsychoI3oy]

My excuse is that I go through bookmarks or email links straight to the board and rarely see co-ar15.com

[Meateater]

Something like this
http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=garends1%40comcast.net&F=arii
would require a minimum order of 50 shirts because of the 6 color design and would cost lots more.
I agree the current logo could be lower drag (like an M4 with an actual mag in the well), but for price, we should stick to black on OD or tan shirts.
Something is always better than nothing, and somebody will always disagree with whatever is presented. I used the website www.customink.com to quickly design the above. If somebody else wants to re-design the logo or make this really complicated go nuts.

[HunterCO]

Something like this
http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=garends1%40comcast.net&F=arii
would require a minimum order of 50 shirts because of the 6 color design and would cost lots more.
I agree the current logo could be lower drag (like an M4 with an actual mag in the well), but for price, we should stick to black on OD or tan shirts.
Something is always better than nothing, and somebody will always disagree with whatever is presented. I used the website www.customink.com to quickly design the above. If somebody else wants to re-design the logo or make this really complicated go nuts.

I like that one I prefer black and the logo looked good only thing I would add is the site address on the back below the flag.

Other than that I think that is great.

[HunterCO]

double post. :oops:

[2ndChildhood]

I like that too Meateater. Agree with Hunter on the URL.
But...If these turn out to be $20+ shirts, I can't afford more than 1.
2C

[PsychoI3oy]

I got bored.

http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=psychoi3oy%40gmail.com&F=coarfcom2


The original logo on the site doesn't really transfer well to monochrome on a shirt, so I recreated it with some pics I found on the net (thanks Bushmaster!) and after making all my own nifty text in photoshop, realized that the customink text tool works well and it's probably going to look cleaner using their stuff.


I'm still undecided on what should be on the front.

ETA: they're a lot cheaper once you get past the first dozen or so. I entered a few semi-random numbers here:

Quantity: 22 (5 L, 10 XL, 5 XXL, 2 XXXL) :: $12.67 each | $278.74 total

Standard turnaround is a couple weeks, add 25% for one week (I doubt that'll be necessary) so if we can come up with enough people interested in the shirts it shouldn't be more than $15 a shirt.


ETA2: the logo works best on the color above, shows up good on some of the lighter (i.e. their 'natural') colors, but gets muddy on the medium brown and darker.

[PsychoI3oy]

I got bored some more and inverted the logo for black shirts for all you uber tactical ninjas out there:

http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=psychoi3oy%40gmail.com&F=coarfcom3

[7idl]

I got bored some more and inverted the logo for black shirts for all you uber tactical ninjas out there:

http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=psychoi3oy%40gmail.com&F=coarfcom3


This one looks better...




Make sure that who ever we use, we get a quality t-shirt.

[2ndChildhood]

Nice work PsychoI3oy!
I like both of those better than that first cut.
2C

[PsychoI3oy]

Make sure that who ever we use, we get a quality t-shirt.

This is a hanes beefy T as picked by Meateater, so it should be fine.

I'm glad you guys liked the designs. Feel free to click on the pic and play around in their 'lab'. Perhaps someone else can find better color combos than I was able to. Keep in mind, though, that coarfcom3 is an inverse graphic (suitable for light on dark printing) and coarfcom2 is the same thing in normal greyscale (suitable for dark on light printing).

[Meateater]

I agree with the tan (or "pebble") shirt working the best. I tried the other colors as well, and it provides the best contrast while still being "tactical".

That new logo looks friggin' sweet! The back looks perfect, but since we have all the club info on the back now, we need something better on the front. How about a subdued "Don't Tread On Me" flag with snake, or the hilarious ubiquitous sandbox "fun meter"

http://www.camotech.com/sew/Flag.htm

http://www.optactical.com/funmeter.html

Or someone who is REALLY artistic needs to design the club a shield/crest.

[PsychoI3oy]

That crest idea would be cool! (Note: I have 0 artistic talent, I just know how to make photoshop work).

What would be really cool is if they could do flags on the sleeves, with, of course, a 'gofast' flag on the right sleeve.

[Greg H.]

Why not make it more simple?

Use an A2 config with a 20 rnd mag. It has good porportions and simple design.

CO and Colorado already let people know where we are from, so drop the state flag.

Stick with the lighter colored shirts - dark shirts in full sun are a PITA ( more so in the middle of summer when it is 85*+, and in winter they are not goin to be seen anyway.

It would not hurt to mention that we are CMP Affiliated, as that is a plus even to people that don't shoot AR15's.

http://customink.com/cink/create/create.jsp?E=gregandapril@earthlink.net&F=grycoar15

[usa]

[Meateater]

I think Psycho's design for the back is simple and cool. Let's all agree to go with it, or we will be submitting designs/changes forever.
We just need something more distictive on the front. The "Don't Tread" and "Fun Meter" icons are pretty simple, but we could do something even more simple like, "Got AR?" in military stencil font.

[Greg H.]

I think Psycho's design for the back is simple and cool. Let's all agree to go with it, or we will be submitting designs/changes forever.
We just need something more distictive on the front. The "Don't Tread" and "Fun Meter" icons are pretty simple, but we could do something even more simple like, "Got AR?" in military stencil font.

Personaly I would rather go with a A2 profile, and add our CMP connection as I mentoned earlier like

http://customink.com/cink/create/create.jsp?E=gregandapril@earthlink.net&F=grycoar15 .

As for the front, I like the minamised appearace.

[usa]

[Meateater]

Greg H wrote: Personaly I would rather go with a A2 profile, and add our CMP connection as I mentoned earlier like

20" A2 ARs and 20 round magazines went out with the hula-hoop. Its 2006 and the M4 profile with 30 rd. mag is much more appropriate for what most of us shoot. I do not belong to the CMP.
I will order the tan shirt with Psycho's design on the back if we can agree on a humorous/high-speed front like the suggestions I have posted.

[Greg H.]

20" A2 ARs and 20 round magazines went out with the hula-hoop. Its 2006 and the M4 profile with 30 rd. mag is much more appropriate for what most of us shoot. I do not belong to the CMP.
I will order the tan shirt with Psycho's design on the back if we can agree on a humorous/high-speed front like the suggestions I have posted.

Depends on what your purpose is, making every shot count or just putting lead down range.

Beyond 50yrds M4's start becoming worthless in a hurry, even sooner if you are using M855/SS109.

I have no problems with the 30 mag, but highly doubt that there are many SBR owners here.


Remember we will be advertising with these t-shirts.

The image in the T-shirt will convay alot of information to people even before they get more information about the club.

If you want to advertise as people, who are serious about shooting, use a more classic/subdued/conservitive design.

If you want to advertise as Rambo and Ranger want-a-be's, go right a head and use a more militant / high speed design.

Do not forget, that there will probably be a reporter or two covering the clean up, and if we wear these t-shirts to the clean up, it is quite possable that we will be telling everyone in the Colorado Springs area, just who we are and what we stand for.

Project a positive image and it is likely we will get people that we want into the group. Project a negitive image, and it is just as likely that people that we would rather not have, try to join.

[usa]

[The1andOnlyKC]

[popcorn]



let the pissing match continue........

[The1andOnlyKC]

Ok so I like Pyscho's design on the black. and I like Greggs design on the tan and white shirts.

The only thing I dont like about Greggs is it has that background around the rifle can you get rid of that and keep it as just the rifle?


Why does it have to be only 1 design we can have two designs cant we? Or does it cost to much that way?

[The1andOnlyKC]

One more thing I like the front of Greggs shirt more than Phsyco's so can Phsyco change the front of his to Greggs and then I think I would be fat and happy.

Well I am happy anyways.

[Greg H.]

Ok so I like Pyscho's design on the black. and I like Greggs design on the tan and white shirts.

The only thing I dont like about Greggs is it has that background around the rifle can you get rid of that and keep it as just the rifle?


Why does it have to be only 1 design we can have two designs cant we? Or does it cost to much that way?

I realy like the way it looks on the grey shirt ( shown ).

I don't like the background around the rifle either, I just don't have any photo editing softwere anymore. If someone has the softwere, I'll send them the photo, then when they send it back without the background I put it on the shirt and we can look at it again.

Alot of the cost is due to set up, and that is why if we order 24 of the same shirts, it's almost $3.00 cheaper per shirt, than if we only order 12 of them. Another design, means more set-up cost.


[usa]

[Meateater]

Greg H.,
If you read my initial post, I suggested as a club that we get a t-shirt to identify club members at the monthly shoots. This is for social, safety, and recruitment reasons. I did not see a single non-shooter at the last shoot, so winning hearts and minds is not really part of the objective. At the 4/8 shoot I saw lots of AR carbines (and a LEGAL select-fire, short-barreled supressed M16), and no one shooting for score at 800 yards. The logo can be a 16" carbine--not a true M4, okay?
The point is that there is NOTHING politically incorrect about the LEGAL carbines that everyone seems to build and shoot. If you think there is, then you really need to re-think your affiliation with this Club, and if the Club wants to be PC then maybe I do. I never hesitate to admit that I own an AR-15 to "throw alot of lead down range" in a SHTF situation. When I want to put holes in something really far away I use a scoped bolt rifle in a real caliber.
Perhaps we can make two shirts. One for the monthly shooters and "Ranger want-a-bes" who train practically at BlackWater, FrontSight, Tactical Response, etc., and one for the Camp Perry types.

[2ndChildhood]

INCOMING!!! [ohno]
Everybody get your flame suits on :!:

But seriously folks, these details aren't going to change whether I wear one of these shirts.
My opinions:
Yes - lighter colored shirt for heat issues
Yes - Greg's black & white design http://customink.com/cink/create/create.jsp?E=gregandapril@earthlink.net&F=grycoar15
Yes - PsychoI3oy's black & tan design http://customink.com/cink/r.jsp?E=psychoi3oy%40gmail.com&F=coarfcom2
Don't care - CMP reference
Don't care - barrel length
Don't care - mag size
Don't care - A2 vs M4 profile (except mine's an A2)
Don't care - subdued vs slightly militant design
No - hyper aggressive slogans (kill em all...)

Let's just get something and I'll wear it!
2C

[HunterCO]

This is my .02 I like the designs of Greg and Psyco. I don't like the tan color and some don't like the black which I do. I am willing to compromise and go with the grey I think it looks great. I do not want white it shows the dirt bad and when shooting I get gun powder and gun oil on me. White shirts would look like hell by the end of a shoot.

Lets all just come to a compromise and get the shirts ordered. :mrgreen:

[7idl]

heres my idea:

get a couple designs we can determine through this thread look promising.

make a new post with a poll to select the shirt(s) we'll go with. (make sure the shirts in question can be seen in the post. IE NO LINKS!)

once that has been decided, make another post to order them (info on ordering)

[Greg H.]

Greg H.,
If you read my initial post, I suggested as a club that we get a t-shirt to identify club members at the monthly shoots. This is for social, safety, and recruitment reasons.

Believe what you will, but, if you will check, I think that you will find that I originaly suggested group t-shirts under the " Trashed shooting range under the gun " thread ( http://coloradoshooting.org/vweb/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.phpt=3739&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 ), as a public relations & recrutement measure, 2 days before you said anything about the subject.

I don't think that you are looking at the entire picture.

You are right, this is for social and recruitment reasions, but we will also be dealing with the public.

While we are actualy shooting, and not actively recruting, doing a service project ( like the clean up ), or just standing around waiting for people to show up, what we wear realy doesn't matter ( unless the law shows up ).

Everytime we meet at a McD's before actualy heading to the range, I would be willing to bet that several hundred people will be driving by Hwy 24 or stoping at McD's to eat while we are standing around the shooting the breeze ( usualy for an hour ), and John Q Public will see us that entire time, and if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

When we are doing a clean up, ( especialy one that may be covered by the media ), is most important to be taken seriously, and it is not going to happen if we are all wearing t-shirts that say " Born to shoot ", " Have you hugged you AR15 today? ", or " Have gun, will shoot ".

Heck being political correct means you never use AR15 is the first place, you use 'Assault Rifle ' at every chance you get.

[usa]

[Greg H.]

heres my idea:

get a couple designs we can determine through this thread look promising.

make a new post with a poll to select the shirt(s) we'll go with. (make sure the shirts in question can be seen in the post. IE NO LINKS!)

once that has been decided, make another post to order them (info on ordering)



If someone will tell me how to post a pic of the T shirt, I'll do it.

Every time I try to cut and past the pic, it refuses to 'paste'.

[HunterCO]

Here ya go Greg.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15back.jpg

This is the URL for your pic of the back

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15back.jpg

Here is the front

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15front.jpg

This is the URL for the pic of the front.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15front.jpg

[Greg H.]

Here ya go Greg.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15back.jpg

This is the back

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15back.jpg

Here is the front

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15front.jpg



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15front.jpg



Thanks Hunter!


The design also looks good on the Lt steel ( a med gray ).

If anyone has photo editing, we can eliminate the background on the AR.

7idl, do we want to use a new thread for the poll?

[usa]

[HunterCO]

As far as using a 30rnd mag or a carbine gun that does not matter to me I will go either way. I personally don't care how PC it is as long as it is not flat out offensive or distasteful. Let's face it an AR15 is not PC to begin with.

Now lets get a poll going and everybody post there design and we can all vote. :mrgreen:

[The1andOnlyKC]

I love this place its like family [swing] [popcorn]

[Meateater]

Greg H wrote: if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

Who will these people "bitch" to? I just don't understand your unfounded fear of what people in McDonalds THINK of our shirts. Fear of being PC is what has allowed our gun rights to disolve over the last 20 years, but that is a topic for another thread. I never promoted any of the silly slogans you listed, or anything similar. Not a thing I suggested is offensive in way shape or form. I just think your gray shirt design is lame. I see no logical reason why we can't print up the tan design as well and each member can pick their flavor.

[HunterCO]

Come on guys lets not get in a pissing match over a friggen shirt.

Lets just do what 7idl said each person come up with a design and we will have a thread with a poll so everybody can vote on what they like best. Even if what wins is not my choice I will wear it it's really not a big deal. None of us are going to agree on everything lets just get something going.

:cool:

[7idl]

my suggestion:

yep... new thread with poll.

pictures of the shirts to choose from.

locked from posts but tacked to the top.

poll should remain open (open it up if not (duh))

then after a week, we'll see where things stand.

then we'll open a thread with the info to purchase.

[chain.60]

Greg H.,
If you read my initial post, I suggested as a club that we get a t-shirt to identify club members at the monthly shoots. This is for social, safety, and recruitment reasons.

Believe what you will, but, if you will check, I think that you will find that I originaly suggested group t-shirts under the " Trashed shooting range under the gun " thread ( http://coloradoshooting.org/vweb/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.phpt=3739&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 ), as a public relations & recrutement measure, 2 days before you said anything about the subject.

I don't think that you are looking at the entire picture.

You are right, this is for social and recruitment reasions, but we will also be dealing with the public.

While we are actualy shooting, and not actively recruting, doing a service project ( like the clean up ), or just standing around waiting for people to show up, what we wear realy doesn't matter ( unless the law shows up ).

Everytime we meet at a McD's before actualy heading to the range, I would be willing to bet that several hundred people will be driving by Hwy 24 or stoping at McD's to eat while we are standing around the shooting the breeze ( usualy for an hour ), and John Q Public will see us that entire time, and if someone takes offence and makes a bitch then we may not find ourselves welcome at McD's or anywhere else for that matter.

When we are doing a clean up, ( especialy one that may be covered by the media ), is most important to be taken seriously, and it is not going to happen if we are all wearing t-shirts that say " Born to shoot ", " Have you hugged you AR15 today? ", or " Have gun, will shoot ".

Heck being political correct means you never use AR15 is the first place, you use[ HOMELAND DEFENSE WEAPON ]at every chance you get.

Greg, Fix it for you. :mrgreen:

[usa]

[BadShot]

For me, I prefer subdued colors in the clothing I wear. I'm partial to earth tones anyhow. It has nothing to do with my proclivity towards my training or utilization of equipment and arms. Those who condescend against either the traditional or more military oriented shooters just don't belong in this club. We accept all types of responsible shooters, short and long range, CQC and Benchers. It's a shame that the Jr. High Like name calling and antics have surfaced in this thread of all places!!!!

I also don't understand this argument regarding a change to the club logo either. Personally the logo is just peachy as is and if needs to be changed, it isn't a matter of site members, it is something that the club members should vote on. The rest of us ( I just haven't sent my membership money in) don't really have a say in the matter of the logo.

Aside from the front breast text I liked this one the best. The grey scale iteration of the current club logo looks great IMO. My preference on the front breast text would be something like "CO-AR15.COM" .. no fancy slogans or such, just the URL. I know someone caught that as well so that was covered.

http://customink.com/cink/create/retrieve.jsp?E=garends1@comcast.net&F=arco


Did anyone ever give a look for embroidered hats or patches?

And thanks to you guys who have spent time on this. I for one appreciate your efforts Guys!


Why there is a pissing match going on I don't know, but for those of you participating in it, you're just jacking up the thread for the rest of us and I for one would appreciate it if you would take it out of the public forum before people lose interest in an otherwise excellent idea!

[Greg H.]

Who will these people "bitch" to? I just don't understand your unfounded fear of what people in McDonalds THINK of our shirts. Fear of being PC is what has allowed our gun rights to disolve over the last 20 years, but that is a topic for another thread. I never promoted any of the silly slogans you listed, or anything similar. Not a thing I suggested is offensive in way shape or form. I just think your gray shirt design is lame. I see no logical reason why we can't print up the tan design as well and each member can pick their flavor.

You mean besides the management, who if they deciede that we are a problem can have us banned from the property?

Besides the local media, which could give us a undeserved reputation?

Plenty of people, that in the end could make un-needed problems for us.


Look, shooters have been slandered for many years now, we already have a bad reputation for leaving junk laying around in the shooting areas, due to the actions of more than just a couple of people.

Why drop to the level of the anti-gunners and push them around by shoving our beliefs down everyones throat?

If we are reasionable, when they are not, we can show them to be for what they realy are, a bunch of people that want to take away the rights of law abiding citizens.

We will do more to preserve and restore our 2nd Amendment rights, by appearing to be ordenary people ( even if we are not ) that has a common hobby, than to appear as a bunch militants that doesn't have any respect for others.

If we look militant, people are going to think Waco TX and Ruby Ridge and probably will not want to know more about us. OTOH, if we look more like common folk with a simmiler hobby that they might be interested in joining.

We have a few people that shoot BP, and most are collecters of military type firearms, some of which are of historical nature. So why not also make this a point as well.

What proactive PR has this group done to make John Q Public less afraid of firearms?

Sure we do clean ups, but, for the most part, that is out of the public eye.

At one time, we pushed things like safe and responsable shooting as pat of the logo, is it no longer cool to let John Q Public know that?

Is it not cool to let John Q Public know that they have nothing to fear from us and our hobby?

That's the problem we have right now. John Q Public has been brainwashed by the media, to fear the "Black Rifle", and now we have to reverse that belief, because if we don't then all the cool macho T-shirts in the world will not retain our 2nd Amentment rights.


I would rather be a little un-Macho, a little un-Cool, than loose my rights to AR15's or any other firarms.

[RYAN50BMG]

WOW! :roll: Greg, have you been to any of the machinegun shoots around here? At the last Dragon shoot I had a 37mm cannon and a mini-gun, almost 1000 people came out, and do you know how many news shows and newspapers we made it into? That would be 0 --zero--. Heck, we even INVITED the "Independant" out and they did'nt want to do a story about us. Ryan

[Meateater]

Greg H wrote: You mean besides the management, who if they deciede that we are a problem can have us banned from the property? Besides the local media, which could give us a undeserved reputation?

Let me get this straight...if we all wear tan colored t-shirts you are afraid the management at McDonalds has the right to and will refuse our patronage and ban us from public property? And these same "evil" t-shirts are going to draw the attention of the media? Greg...its a T-SHIRT. That thinking is paranoid, and frankly un-American. Think about it.

I really don't care that much about the shirt. I just won't buy one and that will be the end of it, okay?

[Greg H.]

WOW! :roll: Greg, have you been to any of the machinegun shoots around here? At the last Dragon shoot I had a 37mm cannon and a mini-gun, almost 1000 people came out, and do you know how many news shows and newspapers we made it into? That would be 0 --zero--. Heck, we even INVITED the "Independant" out and they did'nt want to do a story about us. Ryan

It's not about being at shoots, it's before the shoot, when we are hanging around public places, waiting for everyone to show up.

Greg H.

[Greg H.]

Let me get this straight...if we all wear tan colored t-shirts

It's what's on the shirts, not the shirts them selves.

It's not about being unamerican, it's about consiterate to others. It is what being american is all about, not forcing your beliefes on others ( even if the anti gunners believe otherwise ).

[RYAN50BMG]

:roll: I am at a loss for words :roll:

[Asha'man]

I agree with Greg as far as the keeping a good image thing goes. Like it or not, people make snap judgments based on sometimes silly things, and those judgments affect their entire outlook on a certain group of people, in this case us and shooters in general. If they see a bunch of guys in tacticool black t-shirts tucked into camo BDU pants bloused over combat boots, the thought that immediately comes to mind is "Great, a bunch of Rambo wannabees - can you believe they let these people have guns? We oughta ban them all."

I have to say that I myself kinda laugh when I see camo at our shoots. It may be cheap, tough, and practical, but it projects that "wannabe" air too much for most people to take us seriously. Me, I look like any average college student you might see out and about - if I happen to be carrying a gun case in the McDonald's parking lot or wherever, people are more likely to think, "Hey, there's a regular dude like me who clearly happens to like guns. Maybe, just maybe, he's not the next Rambo mass-murderer wannabe SEAL" than if they see me in black/BDU's/combat boots carrying the same gun case.

I'm not holding myself up on a pedestal there, just saying that the air of normality that my mode of dress projects has a better influence on "most people" than black and camo. Like it or not, the people who are the most suggestible and least set in their ways are who we need to make a good impression on. They are the "swing voters", the policy makers - the ones that matter. If we alienate them, we can slowly say goodbye to our gun rights.

Brian

[Asha'man]

Here ya go Greg.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15back.jpg

This is the URL for your pic of the back

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15back.jpg

Here is the front

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15front.jpg

This is the URL for the pic of the front.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c63/HunterCO/grycoar15front.jpg

BTW I liked this design a lot. I would prefer a 16" carbine, and the background behind the rifle has got to go, but otherwise I think this one is pretty solid.

Brian

[Boots]

I like both designs. Need to lose the background on Greg's but otherwise I lean towards his design. I would be proud to wear either one.
:cool:

[longhunter]

I like both too.

[Marlin]

:roll: I am at a loss for words :roll:



Yep. :roll:

[Boots]

Oops, I forgot to mention, I would like the shirts in a light color. I always like gray. :oops:

[The1andOnlyKC]

Hey Hey hey now hold the F$$$$ on just one Damn minute here.

At the way this thread has taken a twist let me be the first to say and it might actually be the first post ever on this board that I can think of.


IBTL

[7idl]

I'm at a loss too..


keep it civil and on track.

[Greg H.]

Here you go, the non-background AR15 T-shirt

Front

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Greg__H/TshirtFront.jpg

Back

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Greg__H/TshirtBack.jpg


11.18 each | $268.32 total for an order of 24 ( it appears that L and XL are going to run the same price ).

[usa]

[7idl]

that one ok...how about a full color one?

our logo
CMP logo
NRA logo


and..

how about if we sell space to our vendors for their logos?

[The1andOnlyKC]

I like it. But I also like the black one too.

But I havent had time to go back and read all the posts yet.

[Greg H.]

that one ok...how about a full color one?

our logo
CMP logo
NRA logo


and..

how about if we sell space to our vendors for their logos?



Where do you want all the logos?

BTW, I'm not sure we can legally use the NRA or CMP logos on our shirts without their prmission.

[7idl]

our logo in color on the front and back.

'sponsors' on the rear.

well, maybe not the NRA at this moment, but are we not affiliated with the CMP? isn't that enough? not like we're doing it for profit.

[Greg H.]

our logo in color on the front and back.

'sponsors' on the rear.

well, maybe not the NRA at this moment, but are we not affiliated with the CMP? isn't that enough? not like we're doing it for profit.


Just because we are affiliated, does not nessasarly give us the right to use the logo without permission.

IIRC, just because a NRA certified instructor is certified by the NRA, it doesn't give him or her the legal right to display the logo in assosiation with his name, as he doesn't represent the NRA in any offical capacity.

I'm not saying this is the case with CMP, but, there are parallels.



Keep in mind, that the more colors that we use on the shirts, the more expensive the cost will be.
Just having our color logo ( 4 inch ) on the front left pocket area jumps the cost by almost $5.00 per shirt [ohno] and that is at the rate for 24 shirts, and no other design.
At that cost we may as well get patches made.


[usa]

[7idl]

well.. lets keep things going.. I'm just forward thinking a bit.

it's not like we have to do 10 differnt kinds of shirts, shoes, jackets, socks and the like right now.

I think this is the closest we've gotten to having shirts made up (other talks didn't make it too far, IIRC)

so, we start out with a few (maybe sandbag a few for late comers) I'm willing to front some money to make a larger order to help pull costs down.

we can look at Color and supporters as time goes on.

[2ndChildhood]

I agree 7. We've got a decent design, lets get some shirts made and after this go-round if people want to fancy them up we can see how that goes.
2C

[RYAN50BMG]

Here you go, the non-background AR15 T-shirt

Front

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Greg__H/TshirtFront.jpg

Back

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g240/Greg__H/TshirtBack.jpg


11.18 each | $268.32 total for an order of 24 ( it appears that L and XL are going to run the same price ).

[usa]I,m in for two in XL. Ryan

[The1andOnlyKC]

I am in for at least 1 at this point.

[Merl]

for some reason I'm against putting "CPM affiliated" on them. Very against putting other logos or advertising on them

[Greg H.]

I just heard from the company, they will do the same design ( and color of the design ) on different color shirts at no extra cost if some of the people want a different color shirt.


Personaly I like the grey or the Lt steel ( which is a slightly darker grey ).

I'm thinking about getting 2 or 3 shirts ( as I'm running a little short on T-shirts ).


As a side note, something we might keep in mind, is the possability that we have something like a light weight shooting vest, that we can put all the stuff like full color CO-AR-15 patches and add NRA and CMP patches to show the club is affiliated to those groups.


[usa]

[Greg H.]

for some reason I'm against putting "CPM affiliated" on them. Very against putting other logos or advertising on them


Could you explaine why you are against "CPM affiliated"?

I can understand not wanting to put advertising on them, OTOH, we are not advertising CMP it's self, only letting people know that our club is registerd with a respectable organization.

[usa]

[Greg H.]

heres my idea:

get a couple designs we can determine through this thread look promising.

make a new post with a poll to select the shirt(s) we'll go with. (make sure the shirts in question can be seen in the post. IE NO LINKS!)

once that has been decided, make another post to order them (info on ordering)

Done.

T-SHIRT BUY

http://coloradoshooting.org/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=35499#35499

[usa]

[2ndChildhood]

OK great! I've noted my request for t-shirts.

But....has the flag idea gotten lost in the excitement over t-shirts?
2C

[Marlin]

OK great! I've noted my request for t-shirts.

But....has the flag idea gotten lost in the excitement over t-shirts?
2C



Nope, Flag is all but a done deal. :mrgreen:

[The1andOnlyKC]

I dont know if there is anyone that is not into firearms that is even going to know what CMP stands for.

I know people that want to get a CMP rifle and dont even know what CMP means or is all about....

So if you are trying to use the CMP affiliation as a way to not make us look not so "Rambo'ish" or whatever then I dont think its really going to make a difference.

Besides I know at one of our shooting sposts we are well known and respected by the LE up there. I havent been down south in a while so I cant say that for down there.

Just My .02

[Merl]

Suppose the CMP Affiliated is kind of an ad in my eyes (minor). Is it on there to say "we're official?. I really cannot give a single good reason other than it looks wrong.