Need help identifying some guns

[lebru]

Inherited these from my Grandpa who passed a few years ago. The only ones I know are the M1 Garand, and the Mosin-Nagant. The others....No clue. The one with the blemish on the receiver I believe is a Arisaka that was exported from Japan during the occupation. I only say this, because it was with photos of my Great-Grandpa holding a decapitated Japanese soldier's head. The one on the far left has no identifying marks at all. And the Little pistol just says Miami, FL .25 cal.

Here are some pics. Can take more if it will help.
http://imgur.com/a/wMKQo


what kind of ammo can I shoot out of the garand? would regular 30-06 be ok?

[lebru]

The pistol says RG on the grips.

[Aardvark]

The one on the left, with custom sporter stock, looks like a 1903 Springfield action. The other is definately an Arisaka with ground mum. The other two you already know: M1 and 1891 Mosin Nagant. The stray bayonet looks like it's for the M1917 or Enfield No2/P-14. The RG...German made .32cal?

[FireMoth]

Ok, you have a garand, that's finish looks suspect. It would be good to see markings to be sure of who it was built by and where. It can take modern .30-06 ammunition, but it does require an en-block clip to feed. you can just put cartridges in there. if you have never put in an en bloc clip, have some one show you, or lose your thumb.

to the left of the M1 is a 1903 spring field that has been sporterized. i cant tell if it was an A3 that was milled down or not by the pictures, so a maker and serial number check are required for safety. with the rust, it needs a bore and head space check as well. We dont know who did the work, so it should be carefully examined before firing.

to its right is an arisaka rifle. without closer examination, cartridge cant be determined, but since its the shorter carbine its likely 7.7mm. however, we never bet on likely. chamber cast, and examination of the rifle is critical. though the 'mum has been removed from the front ring, there is still some caution about whether its real, or a Japanese grenade. there were some deliberately poorly made rifles meant as sabotage, so it needs to be examined for safety.

I think i was incorrect, and that last is a split bridge mosin. if you can get a bolt, which you probaly can, its the least risky to fire, except that its a mosin ;)

The only reference to the pistol i can find is a Rigarmi RG26... cheap Italian pocket pistol.

All should be looked at by a competent gun smith before use.

[lebru]

The one on the left, with custom sporter stock, looks like a 1903 Springfield action. The other is definately an Arisaka with ground mum. The other two you already know: M1 and 1891 Mosin Nagant. The stray bayonet looks like it's for the M1917 or Enfield No2/P-14. The RG...German made .32cal?

Found out the pistol, its a German .25 that was recalled a while back because slides were hitting people in the head. Well a Germany copy pistol...RG Industries.


The bolt action on the left is a Rock Island Arsenal? I don't plan on shooting it. The action is rusted shut.
http://imgur.com/a/faWkg


I have the bolt for the mosin, I took it out when I put them in my car on the way over.

The garand is a springfield armory, serial number 498xxx. I thought the bayonet was for the Garand, but it didn't fit. The sheath is made of leather...no ID marks on it.

[ldmaster]

about a dozen PM's asking how much you want for the Garand. It's serial number is VERY low and was probably in service in WWII - so KEEP IT. They're worth slightly more if they haven't been messed with.

I assume you're still crying over the rust. Unfortunately, once rusted metal cannot be restored to original strength or beauty, buy you should get the rust off NOW - or at the worse, slop some grease on to help the rusting slow down until someone can help you do it right. The most important thing to check is bore and chamber, if those aren't rusted out, you're ok, just got an ugly gun!

The Arizaka sporter may or may not be original equipment, check the barrel for markings, if it LOOKS original japanese then it's not a sporter, but I have an Arisaka sporter that is a tack driver, that had had the original barrel rebored for 257 Roberts, and a french comb stock added.

The garand's low serial number means that IF it was sold to a civilian, it was probably in the 80's, a lot of rifles in that serial range were sold by the old ODCMP at that time. Again, it's fairly low serial number puts it up in price, and makes it a little hard to replace - hold onto this one.

Never liked the 03's, kicked like a mule and not very pretty.

Surplus ammo should be used, pressure gradients in the Garand make it CRUCIAL that you get ammo that was spec'd for it - commercial 30-06 may have chamber pressures that are too high. Don't forget that nearly all surplus 06 ammo is at least slightly corrosive, not to worry, you just have to use a water based solvent to clean it, like Mpro7. Don't be stingy with it either, remmber it has to melt the corrosive crystals and get washed away. Some guys just use hot water, or windex with a good lubrication after firing corrosive ammo. Corrosive ammo is ONLY a problem if you let it sit t0o long and it starts to rust, it also smells a bit funny when you fire it. It's not the propellant, but the primer that has corrosive properties, some guys test for corrosiveness by unseating the bullet, dropping the powdear out and firing the primer into an unoiled piece of polished steel, leave it three days and if it rusts up, it's corrosive.

[gcrookston]

Springfield
P14 Bayonet
Arisaka
Erma pistol (most likely .25 acp, though some were .32)

[<MADDOG>]

How the hell did this get moved to "For Sale". I don't see anywhere he's selling them...

[FireMoth]

The bolt action on the left is a Rock Island Arsenal? I don't plan on shooting it. The action is rusted shut.
http://imgur.com/a/faWkg

We need a serial number, sans last 3 on that rock island 1903. safety issue. if its rusted shut, its probably moot, but worth the check anyway.

EDIT: Saw the serial in the pic. Just above the safe range, if the rust damage hasn't made it totally unfirable.

[lebru]

We need a serial number, sans last 3 on that rock island 1903. safety issue. if its rusted shut, its probably moot, but worth the check anyway.

EDIT: Saw the serial in the pic. Just above the safe range, if the rust damage hasn't made it totally unfirable.

Yeah you can't cycle the bolt so it won't be able to fire. I guess Rock Island Arsenal is a huge Defense Department contractor....like massive. I checked out their website this morning.



How the hell did this get moved to "For Sale". I don't see anywhere he's selling them...

I have no idea, but it isn't there today.


about a dozen PM's asking how much you want for the Garand. It's serial number is VERY low and was probably in service in WWII - so KEEP IT. They're worth slightly more if they haven't been messed with.

I assume you're still crying over the rust. Unfortunately, once rusted metal cannot be restored to original strength or beauty, buy you should get the rust off NOW - or at the worse, slop some grease on to help the rusting slow down until someone can help you do it right. The most important thing to check is bore and chamber, if those aren't rusted out, you're ok, just got an ugly gun!

The Arizaka sporter may or may not be original equipment, check the barrel for markings, if it LOOKS original japanese then it's not a sporter, but I have an Arisaka sporter that is a tack driver, that had had the original barrel rebored for 257 Roberts, and a french comb stock added.

The garand's low serial number means that IF it was sold to a civilian, it was probably in the 80's, a lot of rifles in that serial range were sold by the old ODCMP at that time. Again, it's fairly low serial number puts it up in price, and makes it a little hard to replace - hold onto this one.

Never liked the 03's, kicked like a mule and not very pretty.

Surplus ammo should be used, pressure gradients in the Garand make it CRUCIAL that you get ammo that was spec'd for it - commercial 30-06 may have chamber pressures that are too high. Don't forget that nearly all surplus 06 ammo is at least slightly corrosive, not to worry, you just have to use a water based solvent to clean it, like Mpro7. Don't be stingy with it either, remmber it has to melt the corrosive crystals and get washed away. Some guys just use hot water, or windex with a good lubrication after firing corrosive ammo. Corrosive ammo is ONLY a problem if you let it sit t0o long and it starts to rust, it also smells a bit funny when you fire it. It's not the propellant, but the primer that has corrosive properties, some guys test for corrosiveness by unseating the bullet, dropping the powdear out and firing the primer into an unoiled piece of polished steel, leave it three days and if it rusts up, it's corrosive.

I am going to keep it, I just didn't know a whole lot about it. I do know that when he was serving in the army he was issued a Garand. He never saw combat, actually he built highways over on the Big Island in Hawaii. I was always told it was just his rifle from when he served. The Garand has some clips, like 5 or 6, and I loaded them with dummy rounds and it was able to cycle and dry fire onto the snap cap. The action feels nice and tight, but a little stiff when racking it.

As far as the Arisaka goes, I was told at least that it was from my Great-Grandfather who was part of the occupying force after WW2 and when he came back he took it back with him which is the reason why the lotus flower was shaved off the receiver per the rules back then. What other sorts of pictures do you need to identify it? The serial number is 79XXX with some other little markings on the side, one of them looks like the Trinity symbol similar to this. (http://www.firehousepride.com/server/uploads/canvas/trinity-symbol.png) I need a bigger safe, there was only room for the Garand. The Mosin is way to big to fit in there, and the rest there was just simply no room.


I am just curious to learn more about these guns, I have no idea other than what i've seen on documentaries or movies. Anyone know a gun smith I could talk to to have him check out if the Garand is able to shoot? I heard Hornady makes ammo specifically for Garands now...

[Daniel_187]

I guy I work with had a pistol like that. I think he said it was given to German officers instead of Lugers, I forget the name but when I see him I will ask him again. Nice collection you got going there.

It looks kind of like an Ortgies pocket pistol. But Lebru is right.

[lebru]

Pistol says "RG INC Miami, FL" I gathered from Google that they made replicas of a German pistol. Its a .25, and the firing pin is broken (won't dry fire) so It will just be sitting in the safe.

[Byte Stryke]

Anyone know a gun smith I could talk to to have him check out if the Garand is able to shoot?

"Bert"


and Not the Bert and Ernie variety either....

Bert of BP Tactical.

Anytime you get a new/Used weapon its best to have it thoroughly inspected.
Nothing says regret like a defective weapon blowing your face off.

[lebru]

"Bert"


and Not the Bert and Ernie variety either....

Bert of BP Tactical.

Anytime you get a new/Used weapon its best to have it thoroughly inspected.
Nothing says regret like a defective weapon blowing your face off.

Thanks. I will give them a buzz in a week or so when I have some time.

[Elhuero]

aw man, in that third pic your bawls are showing.

[Mtn.man]

As far as the Arisaka goes, I was told at least that it was from my Great-Grandfather who was part of the occupying force after WW2 and when he came back he took it back with him which is the reason why the lotus flower was shaved off the receiver per the rules back then. .


Not totally true. If he got the gun from a kill or what ever he could likely bring it home mum intack. i have seen amny with the mum on them they ae wrth alot more.
However if his unit captured a group of enemy combatants then the US held the guns and removed the mum, and at the end of the war foffered whatever # they had to soldiers that wanted one. I have had several.
Almost all are 7.7 they are very accurate rifles. LATE in the war they were manufactured by poor wormanship and poor quality materials. Some say they were even made by POW's and that is the reason for the poor quality.

[lebru]

As far as the Arisaka goes, I was told at least that it was from my Great-Grandfather who was part of the occupying force after WW2 and when he came back he took it back with him which is the reason why the lotus flower was shaved off the receiver per the rules back then. .


Not totally true. If he got the gun from a kill or what ever he could likely bring it home mum intack. i have seen amny with the mum on them they ae wrth alot more.
However if his unit captured a group of enemy combatants then the US held the guns and removed the mum, and at the end of the war foffered whatever # they had to soldiers that wanted one. I have had several.
Almost all are 7.7 they are very accurate rifles. LATE in the war they were manufactured by poor wormanship and poor quality materials. Some say they were even made by POW's and that is the reason for the poor quality.

Well, he was part of the occupying force, so that might be why it was rubbed off? Again I have no idea where it is from, I was always told it was taken from a kill, and there are photos of him holding heads and stuff....

[Mtn.man]

That's what I said a surrender gun, kills or not they took all the spoils and the military dolled em out after the war. Some made it home because the person did not surrender it to command. ALL the ones with the MUM filed off went through channels.
My Grandpa brought home NAZI stuff, the US didn't care. NO defacing of the weapons, swords knives etc.
But for some reason when we defeated Japan, any weapon the US held from foreign combatants was defaced or destroyed. So one with the MUM intact is more valuable.

[Marlin]

That's because, The Japanese wouldn't surrender them without defacing them.. Wasn't a U.S. thing.. The Mum was the Emperors symbol. Very important to them, godlike stature and all.

[jmg8550]

The Garand was made in February of 1942 according to the first 3 numbers of the serial #. I would do some research to see if it is a correct grade or if went through one of several rebuild facilities. Check to see if it has an import mark on the barrel, or if the cartouches on the stock (if they are still present) indicate whether it has been rebuilt or not. A date should be on the barrel showing when you pull the op rod back into the locked position. Either way, it is a piece of history and should be left original looking. Just my opinion. And as far as ammo, never shoot anything over 175 grain bullets and loads meant for the rifle. Modern commercial 30-06 has too much pressure and will damage the rifle. I persoally won't shoot anything heavier than 168 grain bullets and reload to Garand specs. Hornady lists cartridge loads specifically for that rifle. As far as the other firearms, I don't know much about them. I do know that Arisakas that weren't "last ditch" rifles have VERY strong actions and are reportedly stronger than a Mauser action. The 1903 Springfield can possibly be restored, I would soak the action with Kroil or Gunzilla and see if the bolt will free up. If it won't, I guess it is a wall hanger and a conversation piece. Or you could sell it.

[lebru]

The Garand was made in February of 1942 according to the first 3 numbers of the serial #. I would do some research to see if it is a correct grade or if went through one of several rebuild facilities. Check to see if it has an import mark on the barrel, or if the cartouches on the stock (if they are still present) indicate whether it has been rebuilt or not. A date should be on the barrel showing when you pull the op rod back into the locked position. Either way, it is a piece of history and should be left original looking. Just my opinion. And as far as ammo, never shoot anything over 175 grain bullets and loads meant for the rifle. Modern commercial 30-06 has too much pressure and will damage the rifle. I persoally won't shoot anything heavier than 168 grain bullets and reload to Garand specs. Hornady lists cartridge loads specifically for that rifle. As far as the other firearms, I don't know much about them. I do know that Arisakas that weren't "last ditch" rifles have VERY strong actions and are reportedly stronger than a Mauser action. The 1903 Springfield can possibly be restored, I would soak the action with Kroil or Gunzilla and see if the bolt will free up. If it won't, I guess it is a wall hanger and a conversation piece. Or you could sell it.

How could I detail strip it? I was going to give BP tactical a buzz, but their prices seem a little high for me to afford right now....at least till I get paid at the beginning of April....and was going to see what they say about it. I wan't to see if it is in working order...would be a blast to shoot.

[jmg8550]

Are you talking about the 1903? If so I'll let someone else chime in as I have very limited experience with those rifles. Being a bolt action, It should be fairly simple to get it apart if you can get the bolt unstuck. The Garand is easy to field strip. I'm sure there is a video on YouTube for that and maybe the 1903.