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Failed on a vote 3-2 today.
Tweety Bird
03-22-2011, 17:22
Surprise, surprise.
Dims in control of the Senate and its committees.
Maybe after we throw the bums out we can get someone on our side to try it again.
johngraves2
03-22-2011, 17:26
why is it that other states are looking at this law, and allowing it to pass, but we aren't??? even our current state congress calls us a cowboy town??? shouldn't we be allowed to do this? since it is the second ammindment and all.
originally i wasn't entirely on board, but for the most part now i am. lets hope next year it will pass.
Dusty Johnson
03-22-2011, 18:11
This won't be a popular reply but I don't see it failing as a big deal. If you want to carry concealed pay your $150 wait a couple months and be done with it.
Its like everything else nowadays, we have became such a pc country. It would not look good on the state yo let people hav their rights ( in the eye of dims ) they are so worried that criminals would carry guns........ like they dont already. They want everyone to put in for their ccw. Of course cause thats more money.
So worried about criminals, but everyday we are getting invaded more and more by illegals, which, correct me if im wrong, is against the law. Which in turn makes them criminals, where alot of criminal activities span from.
Im confused anymore on what happene to this country.
hurley842002
03-22-2011, 18:30
This won't be a popular reply but I don't see it failing as a big deal. If you want to carry concealed pay your $150 wait a couple months and be done with it.
Yeah, if you can't afford to get a permit, you don't deserve the right to self defense. Unless of course, you want to hang a 1911 out in the open for everyone to see, then it's okay, free of charge.
Great point hurley, with this booming economy everyone has extra money to spend. Why not give 150 dollars for another background check. And wait 3 months.
StagLefty
03-22-2011, 18:56
If you want to carry concealed pay your $150 wait a couple months and be done with it.
So I need to pay $150 to put on a jacket or shirt ? [Bang]
Rights are for those who can afford to pay for them.
The rest of us can eat cake.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-22-2011, 19:13
It's $0.08 a day for a CCW permit.
I'd rather go at it backwards and make it so that the level of background check dictates the cost, not the end use. My CCW instructor said the CCW background check is the same as the one for casino employees, and the CCW is multiples more expensive. Make it more expensive for them to make us jump thru hoops and they will give us Free Carry to save them money.
I'd rather them amend the CCW law to allow SBRs, and while we are on the subject, protect my constitutional rights to SBRs and Suppressors by making CLEO sign-off a "shall issue" instead of "No way in Hell or Denver". You guys bitch about $150, its $600 to set up a NFA trust that won't imperil your anal virginity if the BATFE takes a sudden dislike to WillMaker.
Or get it so that Permit holders aren't entered into CCIC, a statewide database for criminals.
Its not about the money. Well actually it is. Its just dumb to pay for a background check again. And some people are laid off work, the gas prices and economy is crap. They desrve to be allowed to defend themselves as well.
hurley842002
03-22-2011, 19:35
It's $0.08 a day for a CCW permit.
I'd rather go at it backwards and make it so that the level of background check dictates the cost, not the end use. My CCW instructor said the CCW background check is the same as the one for casino employees, and the CCW is multiples more expensive. Make it more expensive for them to make us jump thru hoops and they will give us Free Carry to save them money.
I'd rather them amend the CCW law to allow SBRs, and while we are on the subject, protect my constitutional rights to SBRs and Suppressors by making CLEO sign-off a "shall issue" instead of "No way in Hell or Denver". You guys bitch about $150, its $600 to set up a NFA trust that won't imperil your anal virginity if the BATFE takes a sudden dislike to WillMaker.
Or get it so that Permit holders aren't entered into CCIC, a statewide database for criminals.
I'm just fine financially, so I am only speaking for folks I know (specifically women), that would love to be able to slip their small .380 or .38 snubbie, into their purses, when they go out to the grocery store. They cannot afford a "measly" $150, because they are literally scraping pennies every month to support their child/children. So while on one end, your obviously well enough off to be dreaming about SBRs and Suppressors, there are folks on the other end, that simply want to protect themselves while out in public. Not such a hard concept to understand.
Bailey Guns
03-22-2011, 19:43
Already being discussed in Legislation & Politics.
they are so worried that criminals would carry guns........ like they dont already.
In my last job I spent a lot of time walking around areas like the 16th Street Mall, Colfax and Broadway, and East Colfax.
You are right. Many criminals carry guns. A lot of them are full sized automatic pistols that aren't even in a holster -- just stuck in their waistband with an oversized shirt pulled over it, and they print like hell. And I'm fairly certain those teenaged gangbangers don't have valid permits either.
When I walked around Five Points, Whittier, Park Hill, and Aurora I didn't see it so much, but right in the middle of Denver where it is saturated with police patrols? The gangbangers are walking around with guns printing like they do it every day and don't have any worries, and the cops just seem to ignore it as far as I can tell.
Tweety Bird
03-22-2011, 21:20
Well hopefull next year?
Won't happen next year because the same bunch who voted it down today, will be there next year, too. IOW, the Dims will still run the Senate.
And two years hence, even if we take control of the Senate, ChickenPooper will still be the GUV.
This won't pass in the Statehouse until the Dims lose controls of both halves of the legislature, and we put a non-Dim in the governor's mansion.
I hate to be a naysayer, but reality bombs can be a bitch. Getting this passed is a long order, indeed. But it's gotta start somewhere.
Dusty Johnson
03-22-2011, 22:08
Yeah, if you can't afford to get a permit, you don't deserve the right to self defense. Unless of course, you want to hang a 1911 out in the open for everyone to see, then it's okay, free of charge.
Great point hurley, with this booming economy everyone has extra money to spend. Why not give 150 dollars for another background check. And wait 3 months.
So I need to pay $150 to put on a jacket or shirt ? [Bang]
Rights are for those who can afford to pay for them.
The rest of us can eat cake.
Its not about the money. Well actually it is. Its just dumb to pay for a background check again. And some people are laid off work, the gas prices and economy is crap. They desrve to be allowed to defend themselves as well.
All of you can afford gun(s) but you can't or won't afford $150 for a ccw permit? You all must share with me where you buy your guns.
Bailey Guns
03-22-2011, 22:19
I got news for ya. It's gonna be a long row to hoe to get this passed. And some of the reasons why can be found right on this site:
"I get nervous when people have a gun and don't know how to use it proficiently."
"I'd like to see mandatory training before people can carry."
"People who don't know how to use a gun make me uncomfortable."
"I want the state to establish training standards."
"Blah, blah, blah, blah."But then they bitch because the big, bad government kills this in committee. But then they cheer because some untrained girl ventilates a bad guy with her pink .38 (I know it wasn't a CCW scenario but it's an example of effective self defense by a nominally trained person).
If having the average Joe defend himself is such a problem why aren't we reading about it in the news on a continual basis? Why isn't there story after story of these untrained, armed individuals from VT, AK, AZ and WY creating havoc with their guns everywhere they go? And you're living in a dream world if you think the media just isn't reporting it. They'd be all over that like white on rice.
So many here...on a freakin' hard core gun forum...bitch about the government taking away their rights with one breath but advocating more government control in the next.
It just pisses me off to no end to hear that kind of crap. For the life of me I don't get it. There's absolutely no evidence - other than extremely isolated incidents - that minimal or no training = a danger to society if said untrained person carries a gun for self defense. None. As a matter of fact, the opposite is more true.
Time after time we read about untrained/minimally trained people effectively defending themselves with guns against hardened criminals. Rarely do we read about the same person harming an innocent person with their gun.
A bunch of you guys are gonna be crying big tears when you get what you asked for. If we continue like we are the state WILL set minimum training standards that YOU can't meet. Then you're gonna bitch about that, too.
Fuckin' drives me crazy.
All of you can afford gun(s) but you can't or won't afford $150 for a ccw permit? You all must share with me where you buy your guns.
This is not the point. There i no reason for it. And just to let you know cause it appears you have not been affected by the economy. People used to have good jobs, and probably bought their guns then. Now they might not have 150 laying around. Its just more bull#$%& the government is controlling. If your legal to buy a gun you should be legal to carry it.
Oh yeah, BAILEY GUNS, your right on. I couldnt agree with you more.
hurley842002
03-23-2011, 06:47
All of you can afford gun(s) but you can't or won't afford $150 for a ccw permit? You all must share with me where you buy your guns.
Blind much? Or you just see what YOU choose to see. Read all the posts before responding please.
And spot on Bailey
To me, shooting down this was just ruining a good opportunity to fix a non-sensible law.
People who shouldn't carry because they are crooks do anyways, BECAUSE THEY ARE CROOKS.
People who want to carry legally and defend themselves pose NO risk to society beyond risks normally carried by those who operate any legal machinery that can be dangerous (read:cars), so why limit their rights to try to punish those that don't care anyways.
More to the point-
I think the current CCW law is an example of a presumption of guilt. My wife can't legally carry yet because she hasn't proved she is innocent by paying for a backround check. I thought this was not how our justice system was supposed to work?! It should be a presumption of innocence with said rights only removed upon proof of guilt. Keep guns out of violent criminals hands, sure, but there is no sense in punishing the innocent.
Not to be a stick in the mud but besides the 155 for the ccw you forgot about your quails, most dothe class route and on average its 80-100 more. Just thought I would mention it.
I got news for ya. It's gonna be a long row to hoe to get this passed. And some of the reasons why can be found right on this site:
"I get nervous when people have a gun and don't know how to use it proficiently."
"I'd like to see mandatory training before people can carry."
"People who don't know how to use a gun make me uncomfortable."
"I want the state to establish training standards."
"Blah, blah, blah, blah."But then they bitch because the big, bad government kills this in committee. But then they cheer because some untrained girl ventilates a bad guy with her pink .38 (I know it wasn't a CCW scenario but it's an example of effective self defense by a nominally trained person).
If having the average Joe defend himself is such a problem why aren't we reading about it in the news on a continual basis? Why isn't there story after story of these untrained, armed individuals from VT, AK, AZ and WY creating havoc with their guns everywhere they go? And you're living in a dream world if you think the media just isn't reporting it. They'd be all over that like white on rice.
So many here...on a freakin' hard core gun forum...bitch about the government taking away their rights with one breath but advocating more government control in the next.
It just pisses me off to no end to hear that kind of crap. For the life of me I don't get it. There's absolutely no evidence - other than extremely isolated incidents - that minimal or no training = a danger to society if said untrained person carries a gun for self defense. None. As a matter of fact, the opposite is more true.
Time after time we read about untrained/minimally trained people effectively defending themselves with guns against hardened criminals. Rarely do we read about the same person harming an innocent person with their gun.
A bunch of you guys are gonna be crying big tears when you get what you asked for. If we continue like we are the state WILL set minimum training standards that YOU can't meet. Then you're gonna bitch about that, too.
Fuckin' drives me crazy.
Thank you.
I should be able to open carry or conceal carry anytime I want without paying for a permit. I should be able to carry a long gun if I want as well. It is my right as a law abiding citizen.
The government has gone too far and too long without being challenged.
clublights
03-23-2011, 08:14
I got news for ya. It's gonna be a long row to hoe to get this passed. And some of the reasons why can be found right on this site:
"I get nervous when people have a gun and don't know how to use it proficiently."
"I'd like to see mandatory training before people can carry."
"People who don't know how to use a gun make me uncomfortable."
"I want the state to establish training standards."
"Blah, blah, blah, blah."But then they bitch because the big, bad government kills this in committee. But then they cheer because some untrained girl ventilates a bad guy with her pink .38 (I know it wasn't a CCW scenario but it's an example of effective self defense by a nominally trained person).
If having the average Joe defend himself is such a problem why aren't we reading about it in the news on a continual basis? Why isn't there story after story of these untrained, armed individuals from VT, AK, AZ and WY creating havoc with their guns everywhere they go? And you're living in a dream world if you think the media just isn't reporting it. They'd be all over that like white on rice.
So many here...on a freakin' hard core gun forum...bitch about the government taking away their rights with one breath but advocating more government control in the next.
It just pisses me off to no end to hear that kind of crap. For the life of me I don't get it. There's absolutely no evidence - other than extremely isolated incidents - that minimal or no training = a danger to society if said untrained person carries a gun for self defense. None. As a matter of fact, the opposite is more true.
Time after time we read about untrained/minimally trained people effectively defending themselves with guns against hardened criminals. Rarely do we read about the same person harming an innocent person with their gun.
A bunch of you guys are gonna be crying big tears when you get what you asked for. If we continue like we are the state WILL set minimum training standards that YOU can't meet. Then you're gonna bitch about that, too.
Fuckin' drives me crazy.
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Here here !!!! +1 from me.
this not getting past is just a set back (i hope). the only people it really hurts is folks like my pops . he is old , crippled (yes hc plates) and is not in a position to defend himself , let alone attend a cc class . I could give a f*ck about the law i want the old man to carry for his safety and if my mom did not live in baltimore id make her carry too (if think our laws suck try maryland) . There should be an age set where is ok to have a pistol concealed (with no permit) . say anyone over fifty should not only be allowed to but be givin a gun buy the government. Making a 20 something single male jump through a few hoops is fine , but the law really hurts , single women , the elderly and disabled and these are the people who need to carry the most.
so i have a question .
what can we do that will actually help change things . Singing things and sending letters dose not seem to work . so any ideas ?? Maybe open carry day is not such a bad idea .
I think Bailey hit it on the head, no need to reiterate what he said. I would hope that those that choose to carry under a no permit system would seek training though. Not mandatory, but you would figure a halfway intelligent person that wanted to carry legally would also have the sense that they might need some training in situational awareness, good shoot/bad shoot, etc.
hurley842002
03-23-2011, 08:32
Man alxone, your views on CC are so flawed it's not even funny, that is all i'm going to say about it tho, because this is America and you are entitled to your own opinion.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 08:44
No arguments about voluntary training. It's a good thing.
Man alxone, your views on CC are so flawed it's not even funny, that is all i'm going to say about it tho, because this is America and you are entitled to your own opinion.
how do you figure ??
just because i choose not to carry but at the same time think that women , elderly , and people who would normally not be able to defend them selves should . how is that flawed . Yes i believe a single 20 something male probably dose not need a gun.
When it comes down to it i really dont care if everyone chooses to carry and hell if they want to the should .
how is that flawed ??
I know a lot of people that have and do carry , i dont think they really need to, but if it make them feel better fine .
the big thing is , our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS .
So back to my question what can we as a community do to fix the problem .just because it dose no effect me (in the way that i choose not to carry) dose not mean that i wont fight for your rights and the rights of all Americans .
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 08:57
how do you figure ??
just because i choose not to carry but at the same time think that women , elderly , and people who would normally not be able to defend them selves should . how is that flawed . Yes i believe a single 20 something male probably dose not need a gun.
When it comes down to it i really dont care if everyone chooses to carry and hell if they want to the should .
how is that flawed ??
I know a lot of people that have and do carry , i dont think they really need to, but if it make them feel better fine .
the big thing is , our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS .
So back to my question what can we as a community do to fix the problem .just because it dose no effect me (in the way that i choose not to carry) dose not mean that i wont fight for your rights and the rights of all Americans .
You've been well indoctrinated. Don't you get it? It's not about "need".
You talk about some sort of subjective "need" out of one side of your mouth and "OUR RIGHTS" outta the other side.
How about, "We all NEED the government to stop infringing on OUR RIGHTS."
"We all NEED the government to stop infringing on OUR RIGHTS."
ill agree with that 100%
Just because its a right dose not mean that one should .
Aslo is it not the feeling of Need that decides our rights ??
I honestly do not agree with very many gun or drug laws but it was through the feeling of need (not mine ) that they were put in place .
I see the cc law like this , Yes it should be my god givin right to have what ever i want in my pockets and Yes i feel a need to have that right. But no i do not feel the NEED to act on them .
Mostly think the laws are set up to hurt good people as bad people dont listen to them anyway .
All the same i do feel the NEED to protect OUR RIGHTS
hurley842002
03-23-2011, 09:13
how do you figure ??
just because i choose not to carry but at the same time think that women , elderly , and people who would normally not be able to defend them selves should . how is that flawed . Yes i believe a single 20 something male probably dose not need a gun.
When it comes down to it i really dont care if everyone chooses to carry and hell if they want to the should .
how is that flawed ??
I know a lot of people that have and do carry , i dont think they really need to, but if it make them feel better fine .
the big thing is , our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS .
So back to my question what can we as a community do to fix the problem .just because it dose no effect me (in the way that i choose not to carry) dose not mean that i wont fight for your rights and the rights of all Americans .
So on one hand you say "our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS", but on the other, you say "Making a 20 something single male jump through a few hoops is fine". So which is it man? EVERYBODY has the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, or only Single Women, the elderly and the disabled?
Daniel_187
03-23-2011, 09:20
Its not just $150 its more like $250. $100 for the class $150 for the permit. My Soon to be wife works a lot as a pet care provider/house sitter, and might have deal with 4 legged or 2 legged Predator. She is 4'11" and about 95 LBS. She should not have to jump through a bunch of BS just to protect herself. IE #1. She's at a dog park some Ass hat's "super freindly" dog wants to use her as a chew toy and mauls her to death. Or #2 she is at the dog park with a .380 in her pocket.(she works alot in Boulder so OC is not really a good Idea)
So on one hand you say "our rights should be just that OUR RIGHTS", but on the other, you say "Making a 20 something single male jump through a few hoops is fine". So which is it man? EVERYBODY has the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, or only Single Women, the elderly and the disabled?
yes you are right , but at the same time i know when i was in my 20's as a single male (granted i did miss out on a bunch of it ) i found that the world still needed a lot of figuring out and i felt at the time and still feel , that having a gun on my person was/is not a good idea . But thats just me .Hell maybe younger people are now able to sit down and talk about there problems and know how to drink and know when to walk away , all that stuff you learn with age ( usually the hard way ). So not i dont think ill ever be comfortable with a 21 year old running the earth with a gun (with no training and no permit ) for no other reason than he feels the right to . Sorry i guess im a stick in the mud
Byte Stryke
03-23-2011, 09:43
Dusty,
How about this?
you must attend 20 hours of training a month, Each 10 hours is $200
(Thats ONLY $20/ Hour, Surely you can afford that). After all you don't need a new car, right?
This way we can insure that everyone with a gun is properly trained!
Oh, And we are changing voting as well. Lets make EVERYONE takes a civics class once a month at say, $100 so that we can all be responsible voters. It's ONLY another $100. Let's a permitted right like the second! 60 Days, BCI, Pull your voting records... Check your Civics class records... Ohh, and it will cost a few hundred dollars too.
While I am on a roll, Lets stop all of this irresponsible speech.
I tire of the "RU Ckn on dis?" text speech, and the "l337 5p33ch".
I think that had we had Licensing/Permits for Computers the Latest wikileaks fiasco would not have happened. it would prevent Al-Queda from communicating terrorist plans! GWB was right, a wiretap in every house is the only way to keep this nation safe!
Lets take away everyone's phones and computers and start limiting speech to those responsible enough to pay for licensing, BCIs, Monitoring and proper English classes.
Since we are at it, I am tired of all of these irresponsible drivers.
I know its not a right, so it should be easier not dealing with that pesky Bill of Rights/Constitution thing.
We have made it mandatory training to carry a firearm but not to zoom down the road in some over-sized monstrosity of a Truck that you didn't take your test in. lest make drivers training AND licenses more specific.
you have to train 40 hours a month on YOUR Car/Truck before driving, my god you test in a Prius and then think you can drive an F-350 lifted on those silly wheels? I Feel these new legislation will take irresponsible and untrained people out of the voting booth and off of the roads! Lets Make Annual training a requirement for that.
Because you know the ATFE and DMV and NSA aren't Bloated enough... More departments, fees and your tax-dollars would fix that right up and we would all feel safer
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Byte Stryke
03-23-2011, 09:54
You've been well indoctrinated. Don't you get it? It's not about "need".
You talk about some sort of subjective "need" out of one side of your mouth and "OUR RIGHTS" outta the other side.
How about, "We all NEED the government to stop infringing on OUR RIGHTS."
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Sadly, we only need a gun when its damned near too late, this is why its a right.
On a separate tangent, I am wondering if we have a lawyer that would be willing to argue the 3 that voted against it failed to uphold their oath of office by denying a constitutional right.
Of course this argument would take place in a state court.
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hurley842002
03-23-2011, 09:58
Sadly, we only need a gun when its damned near too late, this is why its a right.
This is where you are wrong. If you are in your twenties, you should be enough of a bad ass, to take on any harm that may come your way. Not sure why you feel you need a gun, if your not Elderly, a single woman, or disabled, geez!
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 10:15
ill agree with that 100%
Just because its a right dose not mean that one should .
That's because each of us should have the right to exercise our rights. If we choose not to exercise a right it shouldn't be taken away. That happens in this country on a continual basis these days.
Aslo is it not the feeling of Need that decides our rights ??
Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,...So the answer to this question is a big, fat NO! As Americans we are endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. Our rights don't come from "need".
I honestly do not agree with very many gun or drug laws but it was through the feeling of need (not mine ) that they were put in place .
OK...you got some 'splainin to do on that because that statement is way out there.
I see the cc law like this , Yes it should be my god givin right to have what ever i want in my pockets and Yes i feel a need to have that right. But no i do not feel the NEED to act on them .
OK...so simply put, YOU CHOOSE not to carry. It doesn't mean you don't NEED the right to have the means to defend yourself. It also doesn't mean the gov't should infringe upon that right because you choose not to exercise it.
Mostly think the laws are set up to hurt good people as bad people dont listen to them anyway .
Bingo. All because politicians felt a NEED to DO SOMETHING.
All the same i do feel the NEED to protect OUR RIGHTS
why cant they just make it like a drivers license , do a little training , take a test call it good . that way if you want one you can go one .of course nobody will agree with me that the age should be at least 25 and why not , 16 to drive , 21 to drink , 25 to conceal a gun . but at the same i also think you should be able to open carry at 21 . there should be no waiting period or rate of fire or mag limitations .
you tell me where or when there is organized resistance and what i can do to help, other than file more papers and throw money at it ,in my opinion these are not working . Shit you tell me where there is and organized state militia and ill join .
Its only my opinion about the reason to conceal a gun. It is also my opinion on reasons to carry one . Im all for everyone to open carry , then no one would feel the need to conceal right ?But then again thats my opinion
Byte Stryke
03-23-2011, 10:39
why cant they just make it like a drivers license , do a little training , take a test call it good . that way if you want one you can go one .of course nobody will agree with me that the age should be at least 25 and why not , 16 to drive , 21 to drink , 25 to conceal a gun . but at the same i also think you should be able to open carry at 21 . there should be no waiting period or rate of fire or mag limitations .
you tell me where or when there is organized resistance and what i can do to help, other than file more papers and throw money at it ,in my opinion these are not working . Shit you tell me where there is and organized state militia and ill join .
Its only my opinion about the reason to conceal a gun. It is also my opinion on reasons to carry one . Im all for everyone to open carry , then no one would feel the need to conceal right ?But then again thats my opinion
Please, Open carry for a week.
I probably have met at LEAST 25% of the Northglenn and Thornton PD this way.
So you Believe that you can be drafted/serve at 18 but you dont get the rights guaranteed by the same laws you defend until you are 21 and 25?
I am all for the Legal and responsible gun owner having and Concealing a firrearm at 18.
as with any Right, you fuck it up and you pay dearly.
I Also feel that the felons violating the law by possessing firearms need tougher penalties. Obviously the laws we have in place aren't deterring them, we are still having BB gun shootouts at the Taco Bell.
why cant they just make it like a drivers license , do a little training , take a test call it good .
"...shall not be infringed." Research what that means. I didn't read the rest of the post.
I don't think you understand the position of the US government with respect to the population. The government does not allow the population to do anything. That's not the reason government was created.
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 10:42
why cant they just make it like a drivers license , do a little training , take a test call it good . that way if you want one you can go one .of course nobody will agree with me that the age should be at least 25 and why not , 16 to drive , 21 to drink , 25 to conceal a gun . but at the same i also think you should be able to open carry at 21 . there should be no waiting period or rate of fire or mag limitations .
you tell me where or when there is organized resistance and what i can do to help, other than file more papers and throw money at it ,in my opinion these are not working . Shit you tell me where there is and organized state militia and ill join .
Its only my opinion about the reason to conceal a gun. It is also my opinion on reasons to carry one . Im all for everyone to open carry , then no one would feel the need to conceal right ?But then again thats my opinion
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Somebody, please make it stop!
bailey
So what your telling me is the founding members did not feel the need to have these rights?They just just did it all because there was no need ??
As far as gun laws well , im all for a back round check and age requirements but other than that , they just seem to be a pain and make things cost more .
As far as drugs go , i dont care if someone wants to be a junkie or a crack head , i say let them , im sure it dose not take much to send them into overdose . good by druggies. honestly i dont really know that much about the drug policy's but it seems to me if it were legal street crime would go down .
hurley842002
03-23-2011, 10:48
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Somebody, please make it stop!
Would be nice, but I will be a good American Citizen and value his first, even tho he doesn't seem to value our second.
The need seen by the founders, was the need to have the option available.
Byte Stryke
03-23-2011, 11:11
The need seen by the founders, was the need to have the option available.
^THIS
+1
The need seen by the founders, was the need to have the option available.
Actually, the need to state it in a Bill Of Rights was not to inform the citizens of their rights, but to make certain that the government was aware of those rights over which they should never attempt to seize control. In this, the framers of the Bill of Rights failed to some extent, as the government has not heeded these prohibitions. The Supreme Court has failed to correctly rule in many cases that have contributed to the erosion of our rights, by "interpreting" plain language to mean something else altogether. The Legislative Branch has failed to even f**king READ the Constitution until last year, and they continue to run roughshod over it at any opportunity.
Inconel710
03-23-2011, 11:54
Originally Posted by Dusty Johnson http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?p=325112#post325112)
All of you can afford gun(s) but you can't or won't afford $150 for a ccw permit? You all must share with me where you buy your guns.
This is not the point. There i no reason for it. And just to let you know cause it appears you have not been affected by the economy. People used to have good jobs, and probably bought their guns then. Now they might not have 150 laying around. Its just more bull#$%& the government is controlling. If your legal to buy a gun you should be legal to carry it.
Agreed. Cost is always an issue. In my case, my CCW would be a used P6 I bought two years ago. I haven't bought a pistol since then. On top of that, I work in a federal facility so carrying to work is out of the question. It's hard to justify spending $150 when the only times I can legally carry are after 4pm and on weekends.
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Inconel710
03-23-2011, 11:57
I didn't know the first gave you the right abuse the English language like that! I got a headache trying to make sense of it!
:D
TFOG: Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
Tweety Bird
03-23-2011, 12:01
why cant they just make it like a drivers license , do a little training , take a test call it good . that way if you want one you can go one .of course nobody will agree with me that the age should be at least 25 and why not , 16 to drive , 21 to drink , 25 to conceal a gun . but at the same i also think you should be able to open carry at 21 . there should be no waiting period or rate of fire or mag limitations .
you tell me where or when there is organized resistance and what i can do to help, other than file more papers and throw money at it ,in my opinion these are not working . Shit you tell me where there is and organized state militia and ill join .
Its only my opinion about the reason to conceal a gun. It is also my opinion on reasons to carry one . Im all for everyone to open carry , then no one would feel the need to conceal right ?But then again thats my opinion
Wait a damn minute here.
You want a minimum age of 25 to conceal, yet you think it's OK for everyone to carry openly?
Consider this:
Scenario #1 - An 18-year old man has a Kimber 1911 in his Blackhawk holster, with no clothing covering it.
Scenario #2 - An 18-year old man has a Kimber 1911 in his Blackhawk holster, with his vest covering it.
Why is that man more dangerous or irresponsible in Scenario #2 than he is in Scenario #1? Why is that gun more dangerous when it's covered up than it is when it's out in the open?
I'm also on board with what Byte Stryke said a few posts back. I think it should be unlawful for anyone to post on an internet forum without at least 40 hours of training in the proper use of the English language. And, of course, if you're under 25, you have to post openly; that is, you can only post while everyone else can watch what you're typing, because language is dangerous when someone hides behind their keyboard.
Good grief!
Byte Stryke
03-23-2011, 12:12
Agreed. Cost is always an issue. In my case, my CCW would be a used P6 I bought two years ago. I haven't bought a pistol since then. On top of that, I work in a federal facility so carrying to work is out of the question. It's hard to justify spending $150 when the only times I can legally carry are after 4pm and on weekends.
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Anyone else see the irony in the fact that a Law abiding U.S. Citizen may not exercise Federally Guaranteed Rights on in a Federal Facility?
Bailey Guns
03-23-2011, 12:21
Anyone else see the irony in the fact that a Law abiding U.S. Citizen may not exercise Federally Guaranteed Rights on in a Federal Facility?
Whatever...makes perfect sense to me what with the gov't we have these days.[/sarcasm]
ronaldrwl
03-23-2011, 12:34
I sure this has already been pointed out but it's not just money, who likes being finger printed and mug shot like a criminal. That was the worst part for me. Once you get your CCP you are totally owned by the system. Just my paranoid view.
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