ideas about a chest/belt rig

[buckshotbarlow]

i need some ideas about a chest/belt rig. i dont know jack about this stuff so any ideas are appreciated. i would prefer a belt rig with suspenders, but i havent found anything worth a damn. HEre are my requirements:
-must hold 4-6 ar mags
-drop pouch
-can as an upgrade hold a couple of pistol mags.
-main use is for 3 gun, but doubles as a car rig.
-no vests

let me know what u guys have...

[275RLTW]

Why not just go with a VTAC Brokos Belt (http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_belts.html) and add mag/drop pouches as needed. If you want something easier to configure between stages, get a CR Speed (http://www.rescomp.co.za/c25/CR-Speed-Belts.aspx) or Safariland ELS (http://www.safariland.com/DutyGear/product.aspx?pid=032). For what you want to carry and use as a car rig, just use a go bag: much easier to employ and allows you to carry more needed gear (medical, lights, etc...) over your shoulder.

[Mick-Boy]

Blue Force Gear (http://www.blueforcegear.com/products/SOC%252dC%E2%84%A2-Modular-Padded-Belt-Kit.html) makes a nice belt set up.

ICE Tactical (http://www.icetactical.com/platforms-battlebelt.html) also makes one that comes in a little cheaper but offers less realestate.

[buckshotbarlow]

i already have a pistol rig set up for matches and a great belt, i don't want another pistol belt like that. The blue force belt, and the vtac are exactly what i'm after, any experience with a belt set up like?

When i say car set up, here's what i'm looking at...Go watch BFLA, and when the zombies/aliens come, and i'm stuck 50 miles away from the house, i need something with mag capacity ( at least 4 mags) and the capability to use it to fight my way out of any situation. I'd love to own some BA, but can't afford it right now...

[BadShot]

Here's my suggestion:

ATS Warbelt
Eagle Patrol belt (any belt that can be used as a inner/liner belt)
HSGI suspenders or a padded H-suspender
Run a MOLLE tripple shingle for the first 3 ar mags (Eagle, Tactical Tailor, ect.)
Run a Blue Force Gear Ten Speed tripple AR mag pouch attached to the front of the tripple shingle. That way you can add the extra three mags or not, but not have to deal with the bulk if you don't want to stack em'
Double or tripple pistol mag shingle for double stacks even if you're using single stack, most have a retention insert that will work for both, e.g TT or Eagle again

Not sure what you mean by a drop pouch. But you might consider a dump pouch. There are tons on the market, you'll have to decide how you want to use it.

You can as needed attach holsters, drop leg platforms seriously discourage attaching stuff to your legs but it's your call.

here's an example of how mine was initially configured. It's in flux right now after this last class. But anyway...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4130/5193293501_2d1c16e133_z.jpg

[buckshotbarlow]

that's a great list to start with...THXS!!!

[Delfuego]

How about this?

http://www.03designgroup.com/reviews/bcm-03-msf-chest-harness

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-03-Modular-Split-Front-Chest-Harness-03-MSF-p/03%20msf1%20mulitcam.htm

[buckshotbarlow]

Interesting idea, that's what i initially was looking at, but the other setups are more to my liking. I like the idea of being able to have the belt and other garb attached to it...Just need the next paycheck to hit, then pics!

[tmckay2]

id check out bravoswithoutborders, they are an industry partner. if money isn't a issue then you can buy the high speed stuff but if it is you can easily build a sweet battle belt with harness set up for around $100 with all the pouches. i have four ar15 pouches, two pistol pouches (could easily add more) a utility pouch and a dump pouch on mine. the harness just helps hold it all together and gives a place for a bladder compartment if you want to add one later. they have a 10% off co-ar15 coupon and shipping in colorado is DIRT cheap. i think for a nice sized box with all my stuff it was like 5-6 bucks. most of the stuff is condor which for normal use should be just fine.

it is very easy to take the harness off the belt and just roll with the belt if a situation ever necessitates that.

itll look soemthing like this when done

http://www.eflightdeck.com/OPSDeck/COMPLETE%20RIGS/PROD%20-%20CD%20LW%20Battle%20Rig.htm

[buckshotbarlow]

Where are they located? I like the setup, but the website is out of cali...

[tmckay2]

Where are they located? I like the setup, but the website is out of cali...

bravoswithoutborders is in colorado springs. check out their forum below. i just showed you that picture as an example of what you can build if you buy from them. mine looks very similar to that.

[BadShot]

buy condor molle stuff and you will end up spending that money a second time. Condor molle stuff is aitsoft grade at the very best. But that warning has been given and ignored numerous times before, and as long as people just fixate on the cheap prices for designs they ripped off from quality manufacturers. Well, its your money... buy once, cry one is some pretty damn sage advice in the firearms (and firearm support gear) world.

[tmckay2]

buy condor molle stuff and you will end up spending that money a second time. Condor molle stuff is aitsoft grade at the very best. But that warning has been given and ignored numerous times before, and as long as people just fixate on the cheap prices for designs they ripped off from quality manufacturers. Well, its your money... buy once, cry one is some pretty damn sage advice in the firearms (and firearm support gear) world.

oh boy, here we go, its an operator...

[BadShot]

And out of the gate you go to name calling. OK, go buy your condor tacticool molle gear. Sure if your gear sits in the corner but for that odd range trip, condor will work just fine. But when you decide to get honest about the real quality level of condor and any number of cheapo bargain bin over seas manufacturers, then we can have a reasoned and factual discussion about why the quality equipment cost more and why the very same equipment is more durable as is demonstrated daily by those who really doneed durable gear.

Until then there are plenty of options for your choosing in the condor range of crapticool knock offs

[tmckay2]

And out of the gate you go to name calling. OK, go buy your condor tacticool molle gear. Sure if your gear sits in the corner but for that odd range trip, condor will work just fine. But when you decide to get honest about the real quality level of condor and any number of cheapo bargain bin over seas manufacturers, then we can have a reasoned and factual discussion about why the quality equipment cost more and why the very same equipment is more durable as is demonstrated daily by those who really doneed durable gear.

Until then there are plenty of options for your choosing in the condor range of crapticool knock offs

news flash, most people here are casual hobby shooters looking for functional equipment. they aren't in the business of fighting the tenants of communism and ridding the world of muslim extremists. i know plenty of people who have used condor stuff in iraq and afghanistan and had no problems. did the op ask for what he should buy for his next black ops mission? honestly the crap that people spew in the firearms community about needing the best and top quality of everything is not only ridiculous, its stupid. if you want to spend that money, fine, have at it. more power to you. you don't need to denigrate and put down people who think its a waste of money, especially for the purposes most of us use it for. condor stuff is far from top line but its more than useable for range gear and even for hiking/backpacking gear.

i don't see how saying youre an operator is name calling. most people on m4carbine.net are operators, or so they say. i simply called it how i saw it. certainly if you are just using gear leisurely you don't need top of the line. thus, you must be an operator.

this isn't about comparing condor to other top notch brands. this is about choosing equipment that fits a need. if that need isn't true combat for long durations, i don't see the point in trying to pressure someone into buying something they don't need. condor is a viable option. ive used their stuff for years at the range, hiking, backpacking, camping, and doing paintball. paintball is more intense than what 99.9% of the board members here will ever encounter in real life, and it held up just fine.

this is all coming from a guy who sometimes uses top notch and sometimes doesn't. i bought an eberlestock bag because i liked what it had to offer. i buy expensive barrels. i buy expensive bcg's. i sometimes buy expensive scopes (in the $500-1000 range) and sometimes don't (using a primary arms red dot instead of an aimpoint when i realized i have no need for an aimpoint). other times, i don't buy the top notch stuff because i don't feel its important, gives me an edge, fits my need. its really not any more complicated than that. if you want to recommend an alternative, have at it. no need to put down other people for not putting the same importance into the same items.

[tmckay2]

i also don't think its a good idea to put down the products industry partners carry on the board. i have a sneaking suspicion you would take exception to someone saying bad things about what you have to sell. giving advice is all good and fine, but every product has a niche or it wouldn't exist. not every niche is the same one you have.

[buckshotbarlow]

So when i go out to my clubs local 3 gun, i want ZERO issues with the gear. I have been burned by a few el cheapo solutions while running a course. Price really isn't an object as long as i get a quality product. I want a product that just works period. I do not want a chinese manufacturer and will pay extra if the company makes their product here in the states...

Now for usage:
carbine/tactical courses - used to average 1 a year until kids came along
3 gun - used to average 6-10 a year until kids came along
varmint cong trips (2 varmint ar's, when we go into stalking mode)
Trunk carry for SHTF scenarios

Now that the kids are older, i'm trying to get back into the stuff...and get equipment that i only have to buy once.

[tmckay2]

So when i go out to my clubs local 3 gun, i want ZERO issues with the gear. I have been burned by a few el cheapo solutions while running a course. Price really isn't an object as long as i get a quality product. I want a product that just works period. I do not want a chinese manufacturer and will pay extra if the company makes their product here in the states...

Now for usage:
carbine/tactical courses - used to average 1 a year until kids came along
3 gun - used to average 6-10 a year until kids came along
varmint cong trips (2 varmint ar's, when we go into stalking mode)
Trunk carry for SHTF scenarios

Now that the kids are older, i'm trying to get back into the stuff...and get equipment that i only have to buy once.

all of that stuff youll only have to buy once if you aren't in the field. but some people are stuck on brands so go for whatever suits you. i have done far more intense things with my stuff than most probably ever will and have had no problems. but if money isn't an issue than might as well spend as much as you can. id go with the bcm set up myself, its just too expensive for me to warrant buying it.

[ShooterJM]

I'm going to try to stay objective and civil so I'll just throw up a list of thoughts and observations.

1) Condor quality has come a long way from their first few runs.

2) I personally have taken a Condor backpack on multiple 100+ mile hikes with zero problems. My business partner is now on his 6th month in afghanistan and is still running his kit daily (90% condor) with zero problems.

3) Most of my company's sales don't go to normal guys. Most sales go to high speed guys who are contracting. They're not terribly brand or price concious. They pick the gear they like. You may be shocked, but I sell 10x as many condor battle belts and mag pouches to them as opposed to tactical tailor or HSGI or any of the other high end brands.

4) Some brands are truly innovative. HSGI has probably the best admin pouch on the market. Or look at Spartan Tactical's VMP, that's an awesome product! Point being, you're not going to get that with Condor, they work on established patterns and markets.

5) Do I think certain companies make some subpar products. Yup. My solution? I don't carry those products. If people ask about them, I'm pretty blunt about it. (example, certain holsters, belts, boots)


Finally, my advice: If you're not personally comfortable with a piece of gear, don't buy it. Period. That goes for everything, not just kit. You want to be able to be 100% focused on the task at hand, not worrying about your gear. If you want something and I don't sell it, I'll try to point you in the right direction and, if possible, to another industry partner that does. I've spent my entire life ensuring that my name and reputation was good, I'm not ruining that for $10 of profit.

[buckshotbarlow]

Seriously, this is good! People who flame, I have no need for. I love hearing all the viewpoints... I'll try and make it down to the springs sometime soon and check out the store...

[tmckay2]

I'm going to try to stay objective and civil so I'll just throw up a list of thoughts and observations.

1) Condor quality has come a long way from their first few runs.

2) I personally have taken a Condor backpack on multiple 100+ mile hikes with zero problems. My business partner is now on his 6th month in afghanistan and is still running his kit daily (90% condor) with zero problems.

3) Most of my company's sales don't go to normal guys. Most sales go to high speed guys who are contracting. They're not terribly brand or price concious. They pick the gear they like. You may be shocked, but I sell 10x as many condor battle belts and mag pouches to them as opposed to tactical tailor or HSGI or any of the other high end brands.

4) Some brands are truly innovative. HSGI has probably the best admin pouch on the market. Or look at Spartan Tactical's VMP, that's an awesome product! Point being, you're not going to get that with Condor, they work on established patterns and markets.

5) Do I think certain companies make some subpar products. Yup. My solution? I don't carry those products. If people ask about them, I'm pretty blunt about it. (example, certain holsters, belts, boots)


Finally, my advice: If you're not personally comfortable with a piece of gear, don't buy it. Period. That goes for everything, not just kit. You want to be able to be 100% focused on the task at hand, not worrying about your gear. If you want something and I don't sell it, I'll try to point you in the right direction and, if possible, to another industry partner that does. I've spent my entire life ensuring that my name and reputation was good, I'm not ruining that for $10 of profit.

it doesn't surprise me any. many of hsgi's stuff is OUTRAGEOUSLY priced. they have some cool, innovative stuff, but in the end most of their products don't function any different or better than lots of others. but people will often buy their stuff and say "look at me! i have hsgi gear!". thats pretty much how everything is in the firearm industry though so i suppose i shouldn't be surprised.

[275RLTW]

Here's the solution, whether it's gear, guns, ammo, whatever... Buy what YOU are comfortable with operationally, physically, and financially. If YOU are OK with a $10 pouch vice a $30 one from someone else....then run it. Who cares what anyone else says about it? What matters is if it works for YOU! No one can assume what YOU might be doing with it, whether hanging in the closet for SHTF, for range/classes only, or chasing down the next bin Laden....YOU know your needs best, YOU pick what YOU want. Yes, those who put their gear to hard use and possibly have thier's or another's life depend on that gear will be comfortable spending more money on gear that has been proven. That doesn't mean it's the best gear for YOU nor does it mean that they are buying "trendy" gear. It is the best for their needs. Pick what is best for YOUR needs.

[tmckay2]

Here's the solution, whether it's gear, guns, ammo, whatever... Buy what YOU are comfortable with operationally, physically, and financially. If YOU are OK with a $10 pouch vice a $30 one from someone else....then run it. Who cares what anyone else says about it? What matters is if it works for YOU! No one can assume what YOU might be doing with it, whether hanging in the closet for SHTF, for range/classes only, or chasing down the next bin Laden....YOU know your needs best, YOU pick what YOU want. Yes, those who put their gear to hard use and possibly have thier's or another's life depend on that gear will be comfortable spending more money on gear that has been proven. That doesn't mean it's the best gear for YOU nor does it mean that they are buying "trendy" gear. It is the best for their needs. Pick what is best for YOUR needs.

thats the problem with everything in this genre. people involved in shooting come from soooooo many different walks of life that telling someone what they must buy or must not buy is just ludicrous.

[sneakerd]

I am putting together a set-up in preparation for the Kalashnikov class in June. I see nothing wrong with a Condor rig and have purchased it in pieces off of ebay. At less than half the price of Blue Force, I'll give it a shot. I'm pretty darn sure I'll never wear it out.