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My teacher said that one of the reasons America is so "violent" compared to other countries is because of gun ownership..
Also in our lecture today, terrorism is a political statement, and she stated that the 9/11 attacks were political, not based on religious ideology, even though the attackers had their Korans with them and they were praying to Allah for a successful mission...
I just thought I'd share this with all of you.
Some people are so ignorant ...... where do you go to school
Scanker19
03-28-2011, 10:16
Sounds like UCCS.
I paid them to have my wife read Huckfin.[Rant1]
but she ain't packing to leave for any other country...
Don't you love it when teachers bring their personal views into the classroom? Two years in and it seems to me that most of getting through college is learning to tune out the idiot opinions of someone who thinks their "eyes have been opened"-be it teachers or fellow students.
Colorado Luckydog
03-28-2011, 10:23
What is really bad is....most of the students in the class belived her. The colleges of today are teaching the students to become left wing libtards.
My teacher said that one of the reasons America is so "violent" compared to other countries is because of gun ownership..
Also in our lecture today, terrorism is a political statement, and she stated that the 9/11 attacks were political, not based on religious ideology, even though the attackers had their Korans with them and they were praying to Allah for a successful mission...
I just thought I'd share this with all of you.
Ask her to explain Switzerland. Near universal ownership of fully automatic weapons, and violent crime is all but unheard of.
DC, Chicago, New York, LA. All have very restrictive gun control laws, all have anomalously high rates of violent crime.
You might want to wait until you have received your final grade for the semester before you make her look like an idjit, though...
What class is this? Poli sci?
My teacher said that one of the reasons America is so "violent" compared to other countries is because of gun ownership..
Also in our lecture today, terrorism is a political statement, and she stated that the 9/11 attacks were political, not based on religious ideology, even though the attackers had their Korans with them and they were praying to Allah for a successful mission...
I just thought I'd share this with all of you.
wow , i bet the civil war was started over slavery and the Taliban is just misunderstood group of young men that need a better basketball program .
ghettodub
03-28-2011, 10:29
So did you fire anything back at the teacher or class about that?
Ask her to explain Switzerland. Near universal ownership of fully automatic weapons, and violent crime is all but unheard of.
DC, Chicago, New York, LA. All have very restrictive gun control laws, all have anomalously high rates of violent crime.
You might want to wait until you have received your final grade for the semester before you make her look like an idjit, though...
What class is this? Poli sci?
The class is Collective Behavior and Social Change.
So did you fire anything back at the teacher or class about that?
Nope, if I would have the entire class probably would have tried to rape me because I'm the ONLY conservative in that class. I wish I would have said something, It would definitely make the class somewhat interesting.
File a complaint with the head of the dept and the VP of the school for injecting personal beliefs unto the students. Teachers are to be professional and unbiased at all times in their class. Explressing opinion can easily be taken as truth by young, ignorant students.
ChunkyMonkey
03-28-2011, 11:05
The class is Collective Behavior and Social Change.
Communal Behavior and Socalist Progressive? [Coffee]
File a complaint with the head of the dept and the VP of the school for injecting personal beliefs unto the students. Teachers are to be professional and unbiased at all times in their class. Explressing opinion can easily be taken as truth by young, ignorant students.
Unbiased college professors are rarer than albino Mexican virgin unicorns...
Doesn't mean you can't get their a** chewed for running their mouth in a classroom.
Byte Stryke
03-28-2011, 11:44
what other countries is he referring to?
You mean countries like Libya?
Perhaps Syria?
Maybe he is referring to places like England where the simple beat and stab each other instead of shooting?
I Know....
Russia!
They have NO Problems there!
/sarcasm
In a perfect world where violence was not a mainstay in the human behavioral cycle, Guns would not be a necessity. But until unicorns and rainbows sprout from everyone's ass, they keep their hands to themselves and respect each other and their property... its a damn pipe-dream.
Your professor lives in a fantasy world of gun-free zones.
Remember, when faced with an incorrect assertion, silence is consent.
Not_A_Llama
03-28-2011, 11:46
It's college. Put up with it, get your sheepskin, and punch out.
Being a class activist makes your life harder, and won't influence anyone - certainly not the prof.
Good primer for the corporate world.
Byte Stryke
03-28-2011, 11:54
It's college. Put up with it, get your sheepskin, and punch out.
Being a class activist makes your life harder, and won't influence anyone - certainly not the prof.
Good primer for the corporate world.
Absolutely!
Because keeping your mouth shut and not standing up for what you believe in is what made this country what it is today!
i had a similar thing come up in one of my juvenile delinquency class the professor brought up the idea of taking away all military style rifles from civilian owner ship the ironic thing was he was in the military at one point of time i guess?
i however did not keep my mouth shut and objected to his comment as i compete with a military style type rifle for sporting use. still got an A+ in the course! than again i am in NE of all places.
coop
Not_A_Llama
03-28-2011, 12:04
Because keeping your mouth shut and not standing up for what you believe in is what made this country what it is today!
Look, I find it a noble idea and all, but having spent the better part of the last decade in tertiary education, you won't get anywhere arguing with the prof in class. It will be pointless, you will gain nothing, and you might make your life harder, for naught.
Swear to gods. I tried.
Now, time spent before and after class, one-on-one with your classmates... much more fruitful. Effectiveness is efficiency, max out your rate of return.
"...thought I'd share this with all of you.
What's her email address?
Doesn't sound like a very informed lady, you should educate her. Mexico has had very tight gun laws that make ours seem very liberal, but, even with that, I believe there is still crime there... Isreal I believe someone already mentioned is a place where if you are not X-military or police, you can pretty much kiss any type of weapon ownership good bye. I think there is still crime there also... Also, you can bring up China where guns are also highly regulated, still lots of crime. Huh... However you can also bring up Switzerland where every male that can actively serve in their military is required, yes I said required to have a fully automatic rifle and a pistol also I think in their home in case they are called for duty. Not kidding on that, look it up. Crime is so low, that they don't keep statistics of it. Here is a quick article on it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1566715.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed. Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg
H.
Byte Stryke
03-28-2011, 12:40
Look, I find it a noble idea and all, but having spent the better part of the last decade in tertiary education, you won't get anywhere arguing with the prof in class. It will be pointless, you will gain nothing, and you might make your life harder, for naught.
Swear to gods. I tried.
Now, time spent before and after class, one-on-one with your classmates... much more fruitful. Effectiveness is efficiency, max out your rate of return.
I don't believe I Advocated disrupting the class with an argument. I Simply stated that silence is not the answer.
It is my opinion that any classroom that does not advocate healthy debate of topics is simply indoctrination.
Doesn't sound like a very informed lady, you should educate her. Mexico has had very tight gun laws that make ours seem very liberal, but, even with that, I believe there is still crime there...
[ROFL1]
and the Dems would have you believe its still our fault!
Mobat555
03-28-2011, 13:06
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
H.
+1 [Beer]
hell hath no fury like an insulted college professor.
Bailey Guns
03-28-2011, 16:37
Also in our lecture today, terrorism is a political statement, and she stated that the 9/11 attacks were political...
Huh...I wonder how she'd feel if she'd been in one of the towers during that "political" statement?
KevDen2005
03-28-2011, 16:43
What school is it?
I must have missed if if you told us
That's interesting. My Speech teacher said the violence in the US is because of the media. Our news focuses only on the bad and violent things that happen, instead of good things.
DeusExMachina
03-28-2011, 17:29
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg
H.
And below that, the US has ~400 per 100k. Awesome.
CMP_5.56
03-28-2011, 17:49
Absolutely!
Because keeping your mouth shut and not standing up for what you believe in is what made this country what it is today!
+1! This country has allowed itself to be dumbed down to a rediculous level. I have family that all think I have made my life hardet by always speaking up instead of lowering my head and ignoring the BS. Personally sleep better at night knowing istand up for my beliefs.
[quote=Byte Stryke;328268]what other countries is he referring to?
Maybe he is referring to places like England where the simple beat and stab each other instead of shooting?
quote]
You can still get shot in England because those of us with any common sense realize that bad guys don't buy their guns at the local gun store.
Gun control just pisses law abiding citizens off, it don't solve the problem with the bad guys.
Libtards = idiots!
My teacher said that one of the reasons America is so "violent" compared to other countries is because of gun ownership..
Also in our lecture today, terrorism is a political statement, and she stated that the 9/11 attacks were political, not based on religious ideology, even though the attackers had their Korans with them and they were praying to Allah for a successful mission...
I just thought I'd share this with all of you.
Politics! I knew they were just pissed we gave women the vote!
As to gun ownership causing increased violence, she is ignorant. This is just an issue of examples, what about Switzerland, Canada, area's of the US with little restriction and low violence (WY, CO-not Denver) vs. areas with much restriction and higher violence (NY, CA, Chicago, even, Denver). Or even murder rates in the US many years ago, cowboys owned guns, and the murder rate was MUCH lower.
Does Germany's beer culture cause a lot of wife beating?
Does Frances wine and cheese culture cause high obesity rates?
I love the comparison to the UK, as A. its a violent country, as explained before. and it is a shit poor comparison to the US. Its a generally mono-cultural island the size of a US state in the old world. A much better comparison is Mexico. New world culture, religious culture, ethnically diverse- and yet, with some of the tightest gun laws in the world, they're sure doing a lot of good! Go outside, it doesn't look like a Jane Austin novel in the US unless you are an Ivory towered professor that never leaves your Subaru unless you are at Whole Foods or a Coffee Shop!
There need to be a thread on arguments with stupid people regarding guns, just a compendium of arguments we have used that have worked. It seems like every argument runs about the same course.
CMP_5.56
03-28-2011, 18:12
There need to be a thread on arguments with stupid people regarding guns, just a compendium of arguments we have used that have worked. It seems like every argument runs about the same course.
The only problem with this idea is that no matter how much logic and reason you putin front of the libtards, they still refuse to get it!
I have had debates with libs about everything from gun control to economics to constitutional law. All those debates haveended the same way, me being frustrated bythefact that I can quote straight up statistics and they will name call and point fingers without having any legitimate factual background what so ever!
You can't fix stupid!
SA Friday
03-28-2011, 21:12
I laugh, get up and go to the bathroom and come back in about 10 minutes. If the instructor is still being retarded, I turn around and leave again. Repeat as necessary. Makes a noticable protest to the douchebaggery and keeps me from starting an arguement.
I would have said something. I never had a college prof. be biased with gun control.
doesn't matter anyways, most people will make up their own mind anyways, and a quick anti-gun statement tossed out during class was probably only really heard by 1/2 the class, really listened to by 1/2 of that 1/2 and taken seriously in one context or the other by 1/2 of the 1/2 of the 1/2 of the class...
I go to school down at Auraria and most not all, most people down there are liberals. I hear people say thier views about gun control and other topics along those lines. I always point my views, I dont care what the poeple down there think. I get tired of stupid ignorent students and professors that think guns are the problem. For instance in my english class we were talking about Columbine and how the douche bag Micheal Moore did the movie Bowling for Columbine and blamed K mart for selling them the ammo they used. I said thats complete bull shit, you cant blame a company for selling a product that is ment for sporting and some idiots decided to kill people with the product. Some people dis agreed with me but you have to stand your ground.
I would have said something. I never had a college prof. be biased with gun control.
doesn't matter anyways, most people will make up their own mind anyways, and a quick anti-gun statement tossed out during class was probably only really heard by 1/2 the class, really listened to by 1/2 of that 1/2 and taken seriously in one context or the other by 1/2 of the 1/2 of the 1/2 of the class...
It was a social studies class. Not math.
KevDen2005
03-29-2011, 00:28
I am on Auraria Campus as well. I am a Poly-Sci Major. I have definitely experienced the liberals on campus. Sometimes you just have to laugh and realize A. They don't know what they are talking about. B. They are easily influenced by some of the more ridiculuos instructors. C. We all give people the rights to act like morons in this country.
I have mostly good experiences. I have a several instructors, especially lately have done a really good job of hiding their political beliefs. The other ones that I know are liberal, but some have done really good jobs of not shoving it down your throat and seeing my point of view during class arguments.
There is one instructor that I would refuse to argue with. THere is no convincing her and I don't care if she wants to be that retarded.
I would say, with school, pick your battles. Know the times to fight and know the times to just let it go. However, if you fight, know exactly what you are talking about because you now have to battle every libtard in the classroom.
I have also been lucky and ran into tons of like minded people in my upper-division classes.
Infact I have a Civil Rights professor who loves to have me argue other points in the class because he knows what I do for a living. He is liberal, but wants a good class discussion getting both sides out.
It was a social studies class. Not math.
[Tooth]
BREATHER
03-29-2011, 05:02
I am reading a book about pre and post invasion of Iraq. The writer spent time with civilains and military, both Americans and Iraqis. A couple of things stuck out as they were mentioned several times. Gunshops thrived during Sadaams riegn. Who knew there were gunshops in Baghdad. And every civilian family he spoke with at an AK in their residence. Not so much to fight off the occupiers but to protect themselves from lawlessness brought on by the invasion.
Seamonkey
03-29-2011, 08:35
I would say, with school, pick your battles. Know the times to fight and know the times to just let it go. However, if you fight, know exactly what you are talking about because you now have to battle every libtard in the classroom.
+1
I've found the best way is to ask questions. I get a dumb look on my face (easy for me to do) and ask the holy grail of all questions "why?"
Oh almighty all knowing all powerful teacher ... why?
Of course you may have to bite your tongue when they reply but it's been worth it to me to hear other students then chime in.
Good book to read: Four hundred years of gun control - Why isn't it working? by Howard Nemerov
http://www.amazon.com/Four-Hundred-Years-Gun-Control/dp/0981738222/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1301408095&sr=1-1
Author talks about tort law, UK, Australia, tons of data and stats but is unable to reproduce the much touted numbers used by anti gun, talks about where there money for lobbyist comes from and also a good chapter on the UN.
KevDen2005
03-29-2011, 17:48
+1
I've found the best way is to ask questions. I get a dumb look on my face (easy for me to do) and ask the holy grail of all questions "why?"
Oh almighty all knowing all powerful teacher ... why?
Of course you may have to bite your tongue when they reply but it's been worth it to me to hear other students then chime in.
Good book to read: Four hundred years of gun control - Why isn't it working? by Howard Nemerov
http://www.amazon.com/Four-Hundred-Years-Gun-Control/dp/0981738222/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1301408095&sr=1-1
Author talks about tort law, UK, Australia, tons of data and stats but is unable to reproduce the much touted numbers used by anti gun, talks about where there money for lobbyist comes from and also a good chapter on the UN.
I do the same thing when asking questions. LOL.
I will definitely check out the book. I also attended LTCOL. Grossman's "Bullet Proof Mind" seminar last summer. He also talked about rising crime rates and unarmed citizens.
I am reading a book about pre and post invasion of Iraq. The writer spent time with civilains and military, both Americans and Iraqis. A couple of things stuck out as they were mentioned several times. Gunshops thrived during Sadaams riegn. Who knew there were gunshops in Baghdad. And every civilian family he spoke with at an AK in their residence. Not so much to fight off the occupiers but to protect themselves from lawlessness brought on by the invasion.
Every household in Iraq is allowed one AK, they call it their Ali-Baba gun.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Baba
H.
The first record of a gun being made was 1247. Since then man has made guns better and more efficient. Many men have become quite proficient at gun slinging.
As long as guns exist there will always be gun slingers and as long as man exists there will always be guns.
I can tell you what side of the barrel I want to be on.
[Beer]
Seamonkey
03-30-2011, 07:31
I do the same thing when asking questions. LOL.
[Beer]
Some teachers are good at generating discussion, playing devil's advocate to get a good discussion going about a topic, bringing out points of views and all. I like those classes because as long as people can remain calm and explain why they believe certain things you can have a good healthy debate which is always good.
But dang, when you get a teacher who uses their positional authority to push their point of view on young minds who just sit their and gobble it up? [Rant1]
One class the teacher started their speech and the guy next too me started thumbing through the book, checking his notes, making a huge deal about it. He finally raised his hand and asked the teacher what chapter was she speaking from and if this would be on the exam. She mumbled something, cut off her speech and got back on the topic. [ROFL1]
ghettodub
03-30-2011, 08:08
I always spoke up in college, because I think when most people are in college, you're in that annoying "I'm smart" phase. That's probably why a lot of my teachers didn't like me, but I always did well in their classes because I had valid arguments, and I didn't argue just to argue.
Tweety Bird
03-30-2011, 10:03
The class is Collective Behavior and Social Change.
That about says it all. This is exactly what I would expect in a class of this name.
It's college. Put up with it, get your sheepskin, and punch out.
Being a class activist makes your life harder, and won't influence anyone - certainly not the prof.
Good primer for the corporate world.
Yes, indeed, good words to live by.
You should ask to see her research on that. You may want to use that dreck when you open your own ACORN/Union/Welfare office. And you want some brainwashing material.
But seriously you may just want to bite your tounge graduate and go on with life being a success instead of right. When they can get back at you by failing your ass. Happened to me. Card carrying member of the NRA is like spitting in my face when you say it the bad way.
You should ask to see her research on that. You may want to use that dreck when you open your own ACORN/Union/Welfare office. And you want some brainwashing material.
But seriously you may just want to bite your tounge graduate and go on with life being a success instead of right. When they can get back at you by failing your ass. Happened to me. Card carrying member of the NRA is like spitting in my face when you say it the bad way.
Hence my suggestion to wait until the semester grades are final before making the professor look like an idiot. Intelligence is knowing what information will do the most damage to their argument, smart is knowing when it advantageous to do so. no point in setting off a claymore if you're going to be a victim of the shrapnel.
Hence my suggestion to wait until the semester grades are final before making the professor look like an idiot. Intelligence is knowing what information will do the most damage to their argument, smart is knowing when it advantageous to do so. no point in setting off a claymore if you're going to be a victim of the shrapnel.
Good advice is always worth repeating though.
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