Save your pennies

[Elhuero]

You're gonna need them to buy gas, and pay for anything that is transported by truck. (which is pretty much everything)

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/30/obama.energy/index.html?hpt=T1


oh, and you WILL "go green" or else

[opie011]

He is so full of F*cking S*it I can't stand it. Talking about "common sense" with off shore drilling....WTF he has none! If they can present a electric/hybrid truck that can tow my 10k pound loads all day without having to stop and recharge for 8 hrs. every 80 miles then maybe, just maybe, I'd look at going green but I highly doubt it.

Drill Alaska!!!

[Hoosier]

Yawn. Every president since Carter has trotted out a "plan" to get Americans off foreign oil imports. They've all be spectacular at doing nothing.

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H.

[JohnTRourke]

The department of energy was formed back in Carter I days (we're living in Carter II days) to get American energy independent and off of foreign oil imports when we had 30% imports

Today, after 40 years of "government success" we're at 70% imports

joy.

[newracer]

We are not dependent on foreign oil, we are just using theirs first.

[Daniel_187]

I keep telling you guys Whale oil, God its so simple

[Mtn.man]

save your pennies anyway, they will be cool to look at one day and you can tell your grandkids, A long time ago we had what was called Money, and Freedom.

[Zundfolge]

Yawn. Every president since Carter has trotted out a "plan" to get Americans off foreign oil imports.

Its the reflexive position of the statist.

Just get government the hell out of the way and let Adam Smith's invisible hand do its work and we won't have to worry.

[Hoosier]

Its the reflexive position of the statist.

Just get government the hell out of the way and let Adam Smith's invisible hand do its work and we won't have to worry.

TDS has interns willing to go through more tape to find them all:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-16-2010/an-energy-independent-future

I don't understand what would be the incentive to the invisible hand of the market to spend more on energy to get it from clean/non-foreign sources. What makes you think that without any government involvement, the market would switch away from OPEC energy?

H.

[Zundfolge]

If the government didn't prevent us from developing our own energy resources then yes, the market would switch away from OPEC energy once it becomes less reliable and/or more expensive (which considering the goings on in most of the Arab world would be soon).

But because of government interference with the free market, we're FORCED to use OPEC oil (even if it becomes cost prohibitive), and switching away from it will require lots of time and government permission (which we're not likely to get).

[Byte Stryke]

hmmm
Opec oil dependencies...
interference in alternative research
Saudi says Jump and Obamau looks like he has been taking lessons from Michael Jordan...


no one has connected these yet?

[Hoosier]

If the government didn't prevent us from developing our own energy resources then yes, the market would switch away from OPEC energy once it becomes less reliable and/or more expensive (which considering the goings on in most of the Arab world would be soon).

But because of government interference with the free market, we're FORCED to use OPEC oil (even if it becomes cost prohibitive), and switching away from it will require lots of time and government permission (which we're not likely to get).

Would it be fair for the government to include the "Real" price of developing those resources? Or mandating that the companies do the same thing, by restoring the land to it's original condition? In other words, there's the cost to get the oil out of the ground and into the refineries, and then there's the cost to clean up after themselves. In a world driven by market realities, companies may see the latter as being something that can be skipped. Do you think it would be fair for the government to impose a (potentially very high) cost on that extraction?

H.

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[Monky]

Would it be fair for the government to include the "Real" price of developing those resources? Or mandating that the companies do the same thing, by restoring the land to it's original condition? In other words, there's the cost to get the oil out of the ground and into the refineries, and then there's the cost to clean up after themselves. In a world driven by market realities, companies may see the latter as being something that can be skipped. Do you think it would be fair for the government to impose a (potentially very high) cost on that extraction?

H.

Any cost that the government imposes on these companies to extract will be passed on to the consumers (citizens) in order to maintain their profit margins. They should have to 'restore' the land to something. Just as big construction projects usually involve some sort of public improvement built in.. but the cost is always there. These companies want to make a profit.. so we will eat the cost either from OPEC oil or our own.

[Ranger]

If they can present a electric/hybrid truck that can tow my 10k pound loads all day without having to stop and recharge for 8 hrs. every 80 miles then maybe, just maybe, I'd look at going green but I highly doubt it.

Jenny Craig can help with this problem my friend. Not hatin', just sayin' [Beer]. Seriously, did you even READ the thread about the guy stuck to a chair? 1-800-JENNYCRAIG, do it!

[Stooge]

[jerrymrc]

Yawn. Every president since Carter has trotted out a "plan" to get Americans off foreign oil imports. They've all be spectacular at doing nothing.


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There was a cartoon a couple of years ago that had all the lines in it. I tried to find it but failed.

[patrick0685]

Jenny Craig can help with this problem my friend. Not hatin', just sayin' [Beer]. Seriously, did you even READ the thread about the guy stuck to a chair? 1-800-JENNYCRAIG, do it!

[Stooge]

haha...just get the lap band...its quicker[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3][LOL]

[ChunkyMonkey]

Would it be fair for the government to include the "Real" price of developing those resources? Or mandating that the companies do the same thing, by restoring the land to it's original condition? In other words, there's the cost to get the oil out of the ground and into the refineries, and then there's the cost to clean up after themselves. In a world driven by market realities, companies may see the latter as being something that can be skipped. Do you think it would be fair for the government to impose a (potentially very high) cost on that extraction?

H.

I don't see any negative implication on this since price is dictated by supply and demand. While 'higher' price is purely speculation at this point, surely, we will save a lot of money in transportation cost, original producing countries' export taxes, while for once US will build its own energy infrastructure - jobs in drilling, new pipelines, local distribution, and even the treehuggers can participate in the restoration part. [Coffee]

At this point, the real price of being heavily dependent on foreign resources is we are fattening up socialists such as Chavez of Venezuela, dictators and religious extremists in the sandbox, and so on.

In fact, many of the left and the right believe the last two wars including Libya were because of OIL - well, that would be one less reason for us to spend billions and billions of Dollars we dont have taking care people who're trying to kill us. Wait, did I just say we will save billions and billions of Dollars by being self sufficient? In simplest term, if I dont eat out as much, I dont spend as much money - even though I have to wash my own dishes.

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