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Looking to purchase some ammo for CC, what Ammo does Douglas County Police Officers Carry?
Thanks
SA Friday
03-31-2011, 19:53
The round kind...
Seriously, it doesn't matter. Find any quality made hollow point that shoots accurately out of your pistol. Then practice.
Having been LE and working with a lot of different forces, the decision on what ammo they use might not have been made for any reason other than cost, or it could have been chosen from hours and hours of evaluations. Or, somewhere in between. What I'm saying is just because they use a certain brand isn't a reason to choose it.
I've been advised that one should carry the same ammo your local law enforcement does...
Thus the question
I've been advised that one should carry the same ammo your local law enforcement does...
Thus the question
I can think of a few reasons why someone would do that, but what's yours? I'm just curious...it's an interesting concept.
OT though, I'm not sure. I tried google but...no dice.
I've been advised that one should carry the same ammo your local law enforcement does...
Thus the question
It doesn't matter. Use whatever runs best in your particular cc, because what they use won't work in every gun out there.
Carrying what the police carry isn't going to be the difference between no charges and jail time.
SA Friday
03-31-2011, 20:55
I've been advised that one should carry the same ammo your local law enforcement does...
Thus the question
A lot of ccw instructors give that advise. It's an easy and politically correct answer not backed by legal nor rational data.
If Oakland Pd uses federal hydroshoks, Elbert county sheriff carries Winchester rangers, and waldorf MD Pd carries Remington golden sabers, does that mean these ammo types are only good in those geographical areas? No.
Go shoot a few different types and use what is accurate from your gun.
A lot of ccw instructors give that advise. It's an easy and politically correct answer not backed by legal nor rational data.
If Oakland Pd uses federal hydroshoks, Elbert county sheriff carries Winchester rangers, and waldorf MD Pd carries Remington golden sabers, does that mean these ammo types are only good in those geographical areas? No.
Go shoot a few different types and use what is accurate from your gun.
He might not have plans of ever traveling outside of Douglas county. [Dunno]
OP- With your logic, you may as well buy a Crown Vic, swap the pooch out for a German Shephard, and carry the full size duty weapon issued there in Douglas, that way if anything goes down all your bases are covered.
Byte Stryke
03-31-2011, 21:24
A lot of ccw instructors give that advise. It's an easy and politically correct answer not backed by legal nor rational data.
If Oakland Pd uses federal hydroshoks, Elbert county sheriff carries Winchester rangers, and waldorf MD Pd carries Remington golden sabers, does that mean these ammo types are only good in those geographical areas? No.
Go shoot a few different types and use what is accurate from your gun.
This^
I wouldn't get all crazy and go get steel core +P teflon 9000gr super killahs er anything.
Simple common sense, shoot what you feel comfortable with.
look at reliability, dependability and expansion then weigh that against your costs.
Train how you will fight.
Great-Kazoo
03-31-2011, 22:14
A lot of ccw instructors give that advise. It's an easy and politically correct answer not backed by legal nor rational data.
If Oakland Pd uses federal hydroshoks, Elbert county sheriff carries Winchester rangers, and waldorf MD Pd carries Remington golden sabers, does that mean these ammo types are only good in those geographical areas? No.
Go shoot a few different types and use what is accurate from your gun.
Really? i tell my students to buy a few different brands of pd ammo and see which one works consistently in their carry firearm. the last thing i would do is suggest they get the same ammo the LE uses. that's like a low bid deal there. but then again there is Gunsmoke, so nothing should surprise me.
A lot of ccw instructors give that advise. It's an easy and politically correct answer not backed by legal nor rational data.
If Oakland Pd uses federal hydroshoks, Elbert county sheriff carries Winchester rangers, and waldorf MD Pd carries Remington golden sabers, does that mean these ammo types are only good in those geographical areas? No.
Go shoot a few different types and use what is accurate from your gun.
To the OP, most departments choose type of ammo (caliber, gr., bullet) then look for the best price by requesting bids. The process really is swayed by the amount of ammunition they are buying each year. We carry Speer .357 SIG, 125 gr., GDHP. My personal guns are .40 S&W and I have tried to follow some of the larger federal agencies by choosing 180 gr. JHP, either in Speer, Federal, or Winchester.
I liked the quoted response because Waldorf, MD doesn't have it's own PD. They are patrolled by the Charles County Sheriff's Office. I used to live in Chuck County, in Waldorf off of Berry Road and in St Charles.
Personally, I don't like having range and duty ammunition. If at all possible, shoot what you carry. It can be expensive, so price should be taken into account when picking your duty/carry ammunition. You shouldn't have any surprises when it really counts. I hope none of us ever have to find out what our ammunition will really do when it hits the organic targets. YMMV
you are fine as long as you are using factory self defense ammo.
now if you go out and reload your own and then have to use it, they might bring that into question depending on the circumstances. They could say you loaded the ammo with malicious intent and made sure it would be a deadly round...now that sounds stupid, but OJ got off so you just never know what a lawyer will spew out.
just buy factory ammo that works well in your gun. if you gun doesn't like the ammo the local guys carry, but you use it anyway, and it fails on you and costs you your life...then what?
ChunkyMonkey
03-31-2011, 22:38
Go to coloradomountainbidsystem.com and watch what the sheriff dept buying each quarter. Like the others have said, it won't matter whatsoever.
ldmaster
03-31-2011, 23:30
It was federal hydrashock or hishok, can't remember which - almost certain it was hishok. A department can switch to new ammo on any given year, but I must say that the majority of the ones I've asked use Winchester Ranger.
people we are not a war with each other
his thing is that the cops have the money to see witch of what cal and gun shoots the most accurate and gives best expansion. so if your using the same gun and you could find out what they use you would not have to go thur all the work to find out the most accurate and that gives best expansion ammo.
Thats what I'm tring to do the poor mans way
right now S&W m66-2 2 1/2in barrel 357 magnum 12yds from target
grades poor,OK and Great
140gr Flex tip custom or factory great on being accurate poor on expansion
140gr semi jacket custom great on being accurate ok on expansion .472
150gr PMC starfire hp OK on being accurate poor on expansion
158gr semi jacket custom OK on being accurate poor on expansion
158gr Plated FP Ok on being accurate poor on expansion
158gr Federal Hydra shok hp great on being accurate great on expansion .605
I'm going to test a lot more soon
110gr semi jacket hp
110gr gold dot hp
125gr gold dot hp
125gr semi jacket hp
140gr hornady hp
145gr Win silver tip hp
158gr plated hp
OneGuy67
03-31-2011, 23:45
Not to cause confusion, but there isn't any Douglas County police officers. They are Sheriff's Deputies and towns/cities in Douglas County have police officers.
To poll the various agencies existing there: Lone Tree, Parker, Castle Rock, parts of Littleton, Franktown, and of course, Douglas County is unneccesary.
Besides, what does a guy who lists his location as Fort Collins want to know what is carried in Douglas County? [Coffee]
to help you more What Cal are you talking about for what gun?
people we are not a war with each other
his thing is that the cops have the money to see witch of what cal and gun shoots the most accurate and gives best expansion.
$10 says that's not why he's asking. I think you are thinking of the FBI doing those tests to. Not police departments.
I have to find the reports online again. It May some time.
Wow all kindas of conjecture…
I was looking for .45 cal ammo for my father he carries an H&K who lives in the DC area. Yes I live in Fort Collins…
In terms of the rationale behind the question, I have been advised by my lawyer to carry what local LEO do. I know Massad Ayoob mentions it…and it’s been discussed in other training environments.
$10 says that's not why he's asking. I think you are thinking of the FBI doing those tests to. Not police departments.
Somebody owes Irving $10...
you are fine as long as you are using factory self defense ammo.
now if you go out and reload your own and then have to use it, they might bring that into question depending on the circumstances. They could say you loaded the ammo with malicious intent and made sure it would be a deadly round...now that sounds stupid, but OJ got off so you just never know what a lawyer will spew out.
just buy factory ammo that works well in your gun. if you gun doesn't like the ammo the local guys carry, but you use it anyway, and it fails on you and costs you your life...then what?
A couple great points here - Thx
I am not Massad Ayoob, and don't really care what LE carries, but here is a link to some scholarly ballistic info.
Service Pistol Duty and Self-Defense Loads (http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887)
SA Friday
04-01-2011, 18:07
I liked the quoted response because Waldorf, MD doesn't have it's own PD. They are patrolled by the Charles County Sheriff's Office.
I know. It was just an example. I have an accumulated 7 1/2 years living in Charles and PG counties. I used to drive to PA or VA during my time off to find sanity.
people we are not a war with each other
his thing is that the cops have the money to see witch of what cal and gun shoots the most accurate and gives best expansion. so if your using the same gun and you could find out what they use you would not have to go thur all the work to find out the most accurate and that gives best expansion ammo.
Thats what I'm tring to do the poor mans way
right now S&W m66-2 2 1/2in barrel 357 magnum 12yds from target
grades poor,OK and Great
140gr Flex tip custom or factory great on being accurate poor on expansion
140gr semi jacket custom great on being accurate ok on expansion .472
150gr PMC starfire hp OK on being accurate poor on expansion
158gr semi jacket custom OK on being accurate poor on expansion
158gr Plated FP Ok on being accurate poor on expansion
158gr Federal Hydra shok hp great on being accurate great on expansion .605
I'm going to test a lot more soon
110gr semi jacket hp
110gr gold dot hp
125gr gold dot hp
125gr semi jacket hp
140gr hornady hp
145gr Win silver tip hp
158gr plated hp
Curious as to: expansion medium, what's in front of it, and depth of penetration.
Banter, quizzical meandering thought asking why.. more banter.
To answer your question.. none of the DC deputies that I know carry a .45.. they have a .40 and are using gold dot HP, last year at least when we went shooting that was the 'issue' ammo they were blasting through.
The few Aurora PD I know who use a .45 were running Federal HST.. JeffCo was using gold dot last I knew.
Personally.. I load my own depleted uranium APIT..
Jk.. in my USP I have .45 Federal HST.. never had an issue with them.
After talking to a few former DA's and judges, as long as you're not loading your own, and it is commercially available ammo, meaning it can be legally purchased.. you're good. Just don't load your own depleted uranium APIT rounds to load in your carry weapon.
'I bought the ammo off of a store shelf' is better than, 'I spent hours researching what would be the most viable round, when fired from my weapon to stop the threat the fastest..'
OneGuy67
04-01-2011, 21:22
The state issues Speer Gold Dot as well in .40 cal.
Still don't know why some attorney would recommend someone carry the same ammo as the local law enforcement, unless they are looking to provide some doubt in a shooting situation...
I checked Westlaw... nothing on ammunition type coming up at trial.. just saying.
Curious as to: expansion medium, what's in front of it, and depth of penetration.
used one gallon water jugs stuffed with 1in shredded news paper wet and packed.
set up 3 jugs filled with news paper then 1/4 plywood then one more news paper jug, jug 5 water then phone book.
fire line 12yds S&W 2 1/2 barrel
jug #3 depth of penetration
158gr plated fp 18in
140gr flex tip 18grs win 296 "
140gr semi jacketed hp 18gr win 296 .365 no real expansion "
158gr semi jacketed hp Win .364 no real expansion "
no real expansion
jug4
140gr flex tip no real expansion tip poped out 24 1/4in
158gr semi jacketed hp no real expansion .364 "
140gr semi jacketed hp no real expansion .365 "
158gr federal hydra shok hp .605 expansion 24 1/4in
jug 5 water
158gr semi jacketed sp no real expansion .364 30 1/4in
140gr semi jacketed hp .472 expansion 30 1/4 in
phone phone
Two 158gr plated fp no real expansion 32in
140gr flex tip no real expansion 34in
150 gr PMC starfire hp no real expansion 34in
ldmaster
04-01-2011, 23:12
Winchester Ranger. Haven't ever seen federal ammo in a pistol there.
Winchester Ranger. Haven't ever seen federal ammo in a pistol there.
Thank you for answering the OP!
ChadAmberg
04-03-2011, 09:37
A Tale of Two Courtrooms...
Overheard on the courtroom on the left: So, you've used the same ammunition that the police uses. What, do you think you're a cop? A vigilante? Out trying to kill people?
Overheard on the courtroom to the right: So, you've used handloads in your self defense shooting. What, the bullets the police use aren't good enough for you? You've got to tailor your ammo so that they have a better chance of killing someone?
A Tale of Two Courtrooms...
Overheard on the courtroom on the left: So, you've used the same ammunition that the police uses. What, do you think you're a cop? A vigilante? Out trying to kill people?
Overheard on the courtroom to the right: So, you've used handloads in your self defense shooting. What, the bullets the police use aren't good enough for you? You've got to tailor your ammo so that they have a better chance of killing someone?
yup, if you defend yourself and the criminal justice machine wants your blood then the particulars of the case really don't matter.
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