Don't Bark at Police Dogs!

[CrufflerSteve]

http://www.denverpost.com/watercooler/ci_17777741

"Cops: Ohio man charged after barking at police dog"

I'm not going to bash the LEO's here. It sounds like the guy was totally drunk and arresting him probably did him a favor. It gave him a place to sleep it off rather than wandering around and getting into more trouble. I'd love to see him explaining this to the judge.

Steve

[Irving]

Heard about this on the heels of the story of the lady with the Pitbull that bit a police officer. Pit didn't bite anyone.

What would you charge this guy with? Disturbing the Police? I mean Peace?

[gcrookston]

What would you charge this guy with? Disturbing the Police? I mean Peace?

Whatever city ordnance "Stupid" falls under.

[Seamonkey]

Heard about this on the heels of the story of the lady with the Pitbull that bit a police officer. Pit didn't bite anyone.



My girls were better behaved than most people...

[TFOGGER]

Is barking considered protected speech?


[Stooge]

[rockhound]

dipsh..

If he was disturbing the dog during the traffic stop could he have been interfering with the officer's ability to do his job?

[Geology Rocks]

The dog is a member of the police force and a police officer. They even have a badge and everything. Messing with one is like messing with a human officer. You will lose, except have a few puncture wounds to prove it.

joe

[Elhuero]

so did this officer get charged with murder of a police officer?

fjkUXUgmHio


how about these guys? they killed a cop.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/6310/


edited to add: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/heat_killed_police_dog_left_in.html <-- police dog dies after being left in hot car.



a dog is a dog.

if the dog is used by police to fight crime then it's a dog that's used by police to fight crime.

a dog is not a cop.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[BushMasterBoy]

Dog gone...couldn't he just mace the dog like they do little kids?

[Monky]

here is the problem with an LEO dog.

LEO isnt supposed to search without a warrant but,

LEO dogs search without warrant. then they use the evidence against the person. seems like a violation of the 4th ammmendment to me.

Dogs don't search w/o a warrant just because they can 'hit' on scents that are imperceptible to humans.. part of their nature.. just as seeing a bag of weed on a dash gives cop reasonable suspicion to search..smelling it gives the dog such.

[Geology Rocks]

so did this officer get charged with murder of a police officer?

fjkUXUgmHio


how about these guys? they killed a cop.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/6310/


edited to add: http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/heat_killed_police_dog_left_in.html <-- police dog dies after being left in hot car.



a dog is a dog.

if the dog is used by police to fight crime then it's a dog that's used by police to fight crime.

a dog is not a cop.

then explain to me why my brother in laws dog has a badge and is listed as an officer on the PD website? Why my uncles dog in the Mass state Troopers has a badge and is listed as an officer? When I asked them they said the killing of a police dog or attacking a dog is considered assault on a police officer.

If you could explain it to me and where they are wrong I would greatly appreciate it..thanks.

joe

[KevDen2005]

here is the problem with an LEO dog.

LEO isnt supposed to search without a warrant but,

LEO dogs search without warrant. then they use the evidence against the person. seems like a violation of the 4th ammmendment to me.


Well this isn't entirely true, there are tons of warrant-less searches.

I have no idea about the K9 portion but I am sure a big part of the arrest or detention had to do with the intoxication...

A great clue to intoxication, other than the odor, would be comments like, "He started it."

[HBARleatherneck]

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[KevDen2005]

im sorry, i didnt respond to the story. just my observation.

the courts have allowed a police dog to be a police officer and not a police officer, when it suits their needs.

a dog smells a controlled substance...not an officer.
obsruct a police dog... and its now an officer.


I do see your point, but if I smell a controlled substance it can often be considered "Plain view, plain smell" and not require a warrant...

But I am not a dog handler so I don't spend a lot of time researching the dog rules

[OneGuy67]

Here in Colorado, the state supreme court came out several years ago and stated officers in Colorado cannot run a dog on a vehicle for no reason. Can't do it because you're bored, can't do it because the driver is a jerk. There has to be some articulable reason to do so, and they are very specific as to what those reasons are.

Now, if the vehicle has been towed as part of an arrest, then I'm not sure on that. I've heard two different statements from the K9 officers on that situation.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[OneGuy67]

im not one of the antis on the site.

lets say a dog is trained to smell explosives. then he is at a roadside checkpoint and the officers run him by the car. if he alerts to a smell. they there is pc for a search. but, if a human officer cant smell the explosive, then it shouldnt be pc at least in my way of thinking. but the courts dont see it that way. officers are given tools by the legislature, i dont fault them for using them.

It wouldn't work that way here in Colorado, based on my previous post.

Maybe some other state...I don't know.

[Elhuero]

then explain to me why my brother in laws dog has a badge and is listed as an officer on the PD website? Why my uncles dog in the Mass state Troopers has a badge and is listed as an officer? When I asked them they said the killing of a police dog or attacking a dog is considered assault on a police officer.

If you could explain it to me and where they are wrong I would greatly appreciate it..thanks.

joe


hey if your family wants to pin a badge on a dog and call him a fellow boy in blue, that's fine. but it doesn't make that dog a cop any more than dressing a dog up in a lion costume makes him king of the jungle.

the dog doesn't care. he does what he's trained to do, and does what he's told by his master.

are dogs owned by criminals less loyal because they know their owners are breaking the law?

k9 unit dogs are considered cops so that they can charge people with assaulting an officer in case they decide they'd rather kick it (or worse) than get bit.

can a police dog fight crime on its own? go out and make arrests, find criminals, conduct investigations, or write tickets?

no. without it's handler to control it a police dog is just a well trained dog.

does the dog have a pension? a salary? vacation time? medical and dental? if not the PD is violating labor laws by paying in kibble and belly rubs rather than money.

a police dog is a living, breathing tool for law enforcement.

police dogs are cops because the cops say they are, period.

the meaning of the badge comes from the people, not the animals.

just because someone paints an elephant pink, sprays it with glue, showers it with feathers and calls it flamingo doesn't make it so.

and it has been shown that police dogs can and are used to signal false positives to allow for (illegal) searches.

[Geology Rocks]

hey if your family wants to pin a badge on a dog and call him a fellow boy in blue, that's fine. but it doesn't make that dog a cop any more than dressing a dog up in a lion costume makes him king of the jungle. It is not my family. It is the departments they work for as K9 officers. I am sure the amount of money the department has to put into the dog to get it ready for its job has nothing to do with their decision.

the dog doesn't care. he does what he's trained to do, and does what he's told by his master.

are dogs owned by criminals less loyal because they know their owners are breaking the law?

k9 unit dogs are considered cops so that they can charge people with assaulting an officer in case they decide they'd rather kick it (or worse) than get bit.

can a police dog fight crime on its own? go out and make arrests, find criminals, conduct investigations, or write tickets? Look at the K9 unit as a partner. They offer back up and other skill sets the human officer doesn't possess.

no. without it's handler to control it a police dog is just a well trained dog.

does the dog have a pension? a salary? vacation time? medical and dental? if not the PD is violating labor laws by paying in kibble and belly rubs rather than money. The K9 unit does actually have some of that. All medical and dental, food, and gear for the K9 is paid for by the department. Kind of cool isn't it? The real kicker is the damn dog doesn't have to pay half of the cost! They get the whole thing covered! [Mad] ..........[LOL]

a police dog is a living, breathing tool for law enforcement.

police dogs are cops because the cops say they are, period. AR15's are assault rifles because the media says they are. People from New York are assholes because people from Boston say they are. What is your point?

the meaning of the badge comes from the people, not the animals.

just because someone paints an elephant pink, sprays it with glue, showers it with feathers and calls it flamingo doesn't make it so. Can we stop painting and dressing up animals?....please? :)

and it has been shown that police dogs can and are used to signal false positives to allow for (illegal) searches. And it has been shown that some priests are rapists of little boys, it has been shown that movie stars use drugs, it has been shown that the use of firearms assist people in killing. Every thing has its flaws.

All I am saying is the meaning of the badge comes from the department as they put time and money into training the dog just like they do to humans. My brother in laws goes to training with his dog every 1 to 2 months. The dog does a specific job as do human police officers. The dog has a role in the department, therefore they are a contributing member of the department....hence the badge.

Joe
ps- your post, and past posts, sound like you just hate cops. Not sure if that's true, but that's what it sounds like.[Beer]

[sniper7]

I wonder if they could make my dog an honorary police dog/officer. he listens pretty well, hunts great, and he is black and white just like cop cars.

[Elhuero]

It is not my family. It is the departments they work for as K9 officers. I am sure the amount of money the department has to put into the dog to get it ready for its job has nothing to do with their decision.

well, you said my brother in laws dog and my uncles dog. but no, it's the DEPARTMENT. ok, got it. but I'd bet money those dogs live with them off duty.



Look at the K9 unit as a partner. They offer back up and other skill sets the human officer doesn't possess.

and how does a dog back up an officer? by covering his blind side while clearing a house? giving him an extra set of eyes while in a chase? pointing the radar gun at the cars on the corner while partner pulls speeders over?

how about a domestic disturbance call? or a drunk driver.

fleeing suspect is hiding in the garage, may be armed. that's dangerous, he could be waiting to ambush. send the dog.
we think the subject may be transporting drugs, requesting K9 to sniff the vehicle.

all of the things that I can think of that police dogs do are specific actions that are carried out on command in situations where those specific skills are needed.

the dog is a tool of law enforcement.



The K9 unit does actually have some of that. All medical and dental, food, and gear for the K9 is paid for by the department. Kind of cool isn't it? The real kicker is the damn dog doesn't have to pay half of the cost! They get the whole thing covered! [Mad] ..........[LOL]

they wash patrol cars, fill them with gas, and rotate the tires when needed. does that mean the crown vic should get a badge?

though I wouldn't doubt that a canine "officer" is a union member.



AR15's are assault rifles because the media says they are. People from New York are assholes because people from Boston say they are. What is your point?

uh, my point is that just because they say it's true doesn't make it so.
AR15's are evil! FALSE
all folks from NY are assholes! FALSE
police dogs are real officers! see the pattern?



Can we stop painting and dressing up animals?....please? :)


I agree.




And it has been shown that some priests are rapists of little boys, it has been shown that movie stars use drugs, it has been shown that the use of firearms assist people in killing. Every thing has its flaws.

some preists rape little boys! TRUE
some stars use drugs! TRUE
guns make killing easier! TRUE
police have used K9 to alert false positives! there's that pattern thing happening again.



All I am saying is the meaning of the badge comes from the department as they put time and money into training the dog just like they do to humans. My brother in laws goes to training with his dog every 1 to 2 months. The dog does a specific job as do human police officers. The dog has a role in the department, therefore they are a contributing member of the department....hence the badge.


I understand that people get attached to furry critters and like to consider them part of the family/department/band and whatnot.

and I'm not saying K9 units shouldn't be used. they serve a good purpose.

but IMO police dogs are considered officers so that perps won't kill them. period.






ps- your post, and past posts, sound like you just hate cops. Not sure if that's true, but that's what it sounds like.[Beer]

heh, this is usually what I hear from LEOs online after I've crushed their arguments under a mountain of logic and diced their rebuttals with my shiny katana of truthful wit.

you know what, I do hate cops: the bad ones.

the police are given the authority of violence over the public (YOU AND I) to enforce the law, protect people, and serve the public. (YOU and I)

they are supposed to protect those that can't protect themselves, and when they abuse that power it is the ultimate insult to the public trust.

ever see that movie The General's Daughter? there's a line in it.. "what's worse than rape? BETRAYAL." and when police break the law, trample rights and generally do shit they're not supposed to do it is a betrayal of everything they're supposed to stand for.

most cops are good, yes. there are bad apples, yes. but a cop breaking the law is more damaging to our society than say, a safeway clerk or truck driver.

see this video?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/04/06/fl.cop.saves.man.wsvn?iref=allsearch

this is recent. the officer saves a man by pulling him from a burning car.

That is, I think, fucking awesome and I admire him. and I cry like a baby when I watch video of the first responders on 9/11. or when I think about the female trooper that got assassinated by a guy hiding in a trailer. or Patrolman Dabling.

but that doesn't mean that when I see a report of a cop breaking the law, or see a video of an officer ordering someone to shut off their camera that I'm not going to hope they get nut cancer.



tonight before I go to bed I'll say a prayer and ask God to watch and protect your uncle and bro in law in the days ahead while they carry out their duty. and their dogs.

wow long post. insomnia is a bitch.

[colocowboy01]

This is so utterly stupid. So some drunk guy was barking at a mutt, did the world end? Was a crime committed? No.

How can a fleabag be considered an officer? They do not have to ability to complete the required steps to be an officer. Ask any of the brave individuals who serve as police officers what makes them an officer and they will say, "I took an oath". (sidenote: Thanks to all of the Oathkeepers out there) A dog can not speak, and therefore can not take an oath. Without understanding the oath and speaking it one can not become an officer. The dog remains a mutt that has been highly trained to fight and satisfy a bloodlust for everyone involved in its handling. It is not an officer.

Ok I have spent my 2 cent worth, and now have to get to work so Obama can feed more crack babies.

[colocowboy01]

My previous post is a response to Boostedxt on why dogs can not be cops no matter what kind of brain washing you have been told to repeat by the academy. Just because your chief says the dog is a cop does not make it a cop no matter how much metal he pins on it.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[Byte Stryke]

not getting into if they are police officers or not.
Just wanted to add that it irks the holy hell out of me when people dress up their dogs and drive around with them in their laps. "But They're my Babies!"
Then puttem in a F****ing car seat."

If you take you "Baby" to a pediatrician, its a Baby.
If you take you "Baby" to a Veterinarian, its a pet.

Get a grip on reality Lady, your "Baby" will never go to high school, isn't going to get lucky at Prom, will not be attending college.

[Ed_S]

not getting into if they are police officers or not.
Just wanted to add that it irks the holy hell out of me when people dress up their dogs and drive around with them in their laps. &quot;But They're my Babies!&quot;
Then puttem in a F****ing car seat.&quot;

If you take you &quot;Baby&quot; to a pediatrician, its a Baby.
If you take you &quot;Baby&quot; to a Veterinarian, its a pet.

Get a grip on reality Lady, your &quot;Baby&quot; will never go to high school, isn't going to get lucky at Prom, will not be attending college.

[OneGuy67]

i think my FTO in California told me this. wether he was telling the truth or not, I dont know. I will be quiet now. I knew I shouldnt have posted.


Nah, my Marine friend. Post away. I'm happy to answer questions that I know the answer for. I just know the situations presented so far here on the forum regarding the dogs would not fly due to the state supreme court decision. Other states...I don't know. I've never been a cop in any other state.

[OneGuy67]

All I am saying is the meaning of the badge comes from the department as they put time and money into training the dog just like they do to humans. My brother in laws goes to training with his dog every 1 to 2 months. The dog does a specific job as do human police officers. The dog has a role in the department, therefore they are a contributing member of the department....hence the badge.

Joe
ps- your post, and past posts, sound like you just hate cops. Not sure if that's true, but that's what it sounds like.[Beer]

Oh hell! You went and poked the Elheuro! [Poke]

[Geology Rocks]

They are living breathing contributing members of the department who have done training courses to improve their skills and go to work with their officer. The department has invested time and money into the dog just like it has their human officers. The department says they are officers, therefore they are officers, hurting one is a serious offense. That is all I am saying.....

Colocowboy: Yes a law was broken according to Iowa Code 717B.9, as well as Public intoxication.....


717B.9 INJURY OR INTERFERENCE WITH A POLICE SERVICE
DOG.
1. A person who knowingly, and willfully or maliciously torments,
strikes, administers a nonpoisonous desensitizing substance to, or
otherwise interferes with a police service dog, without inflicting
serious injury on the dog, commits a serious misdemeanor.
2. A person who knowingly, and willfully or maliciously does any
of the following commits a class "D" felony:
a. Tortures a police service dog.
b. Injures, so as to disfigure or disable, a police service
dog.
c. Sets a booby trap device for purposes of injuring, so as
to disfigure or disable, or killing a police service dog.
d. Pays or agrees to pay a bounty for purposes of injury, so
as to disfigure or disable, or killing a police service dog.
e. Kills a police service dog.
f. Administers poison to a police service dog.
3. As used in this section, "police service dog" means a dog
used by a peace officer or correctional officer in the performance of
the officer's duties, whether or not the dog is on duty.
4. This section does not apply to a peace officer or veterinarian
who terminates the life of such a dog for the purpose of relieving
the dog of undue pain or suffering, or to a person who justifiably
acts in defense of self or another.

Serious Misdemeanor =Up to 1 year in jail and a fine of $315 to $1,875
Class D Felony = 5 yrs in prison

Colocowboy: I heard Obama was giving out free money too! Any idea where I can get me some? OOOOOOObama.....OOOOOObama.....OOOOOObama.

Joe

[Geology Rocks]

Oh hell! You went and poked the Elheuro! [Poke]


That's what she said?

Joe

[colocowboy01]

The department says they are officers, therefore they are officers, hurting one is a serious offense. That is all I am saying.....

Colocowboy: Yes a law was broken according to Iowa Code 717B.9, as well as Public intoxication.....


717B.9 INJURY OR INTERFERENCE WITH A POLICE SERVICE
DOG.
1. A person who knowingly, and willfully or maliciously torments,
strikes, administers a nonpoisonous desensitizing substance to, or
otherwise interferes with a police service dog, without inflicting
serious injury on the dog, commits a serious misdemeanor.
2. A person who knowingly, and willfully or maliciously does any
of the following commits a class "D" felony:
a. Tortures a police service dog.
b. Injures, so as to disfigure or disable, a police service
dog.
c. Sets a booby trap device for purposes of injuring, so as
to disfigure or disable, or killing a police service dog.
d. Pays or agrees to pay a bounty for purposes of injury, so
as to disfigure or disable, or killing a police service dog.
e. Kills a police service dog.
f. Administers poison to a police service dog.
3. As used in this section, "police service dog" means a dog
used by a peace officer or correctional officer in the performance of
the officer's duties, whether or not the dog is on duty.
4. This section does not apply to a peace officer or veterinarian
who terminates the life of such a dog for the purpose of relieving
the dog of undue pain or suffering, or to a person who justifiably
acts in defense of self or another.

Serious Misdemeanor =Up to 1 year in jail and a fine of $315 to $1,875
Class D Felony = 5 yrs in prison

Colocowboy: I heard Obama was giving out free money too! Any idea where I can get me some? OOOOOOObama.....OOOOOObama.....OOOOOObama.

Joe


Well, Cool for the department saying so. So If the department says so that is the final word on everything? I say I am a suave billionaire. Does that make me one? Or are the departments the only ones on God's green earth that get to define terms. I thought that the departments are to enforce the law not add to it or define it.

I did not ask if a law was broken. I asked if a crime was committed. They are two different things. Committing a crime is causing injury to another, monetarily, physically, etc. The breaking of a law is typically not following a rule that is designed to enrich the state through fines, seat-belt laws come to mind along with barking at a tool used by the department. If time was spent on stopping crimes that are committed police would be busy enough with out the headache of chasing down petty law breakers. Your jobs would be easier and probably more fulfilling too.

I wish I knew where Obama was keeping the extra cash for everyone. He has taken nearly all of mine and I need some of it back. If I find the secret stash I will cut you in on the deal. [Beer]

[Geology Rocks]

Well, Cool for the department saying so. So If the department says so that is the final word on everything? I say I am a suave billionaire. Does that make me one? Or are the departments the only ones on God's green earth that get to define terms. I thought that the departments are to enforce the law not add to it or define it.

I did not ask if a law was broken. I asked if a crime was committed. They are two different things. Committing a crime is causing injury to another, monetarily, physically, etc. The breaking of a law is typically not following a rule that is designed to enrich the state through fines, seat-belt laws come to mind along with barking at a tool used by the department. If time was spent on stopping crimes that are committed police would be busy enough with out the headache of chasing down petty law breakers. Your jobs would be easier and probably more fulfilling too.

I wish I knew where Obama was keeping the extra cash for everyone. He has taken nearly all of mine and I need some of it back. If I find the secret stash I will cut you in on the deal. [Beer]

i would believe its not 100% coming from the department. Part of probably, but I am sure the department has it as such due to state law. Every state is different so I will ask my family members.

A large portion of criminals are caught while breaking a small law like speeding, not wearing seat belts, and things like that. I cant even tell you how many warrants I have seen come out of a "routine" traffic stop like rolling through a stop sign.

Thanks! If I find out where the stash is I will let ya know too! I sure could use a few billion!

Joe