Poll-Help me change the NFA

[Birddog1911]

This poll is to conduct research on changing the NFA rules. While I would support a complete removal of the law, I don't believe that it will happen anytime soon.

So what I'm trying to do is appeal to a politicians base emotion; greed. I plan to write to a willing congressional delegate to change the law, and greatly lower the cost of an NFA tax stamp. I hope this will also help repeal the 1986 full auto law, as well.

Please, answer the poll and tell me what you think. I will be cross posting this at every gun forum for which I am a member, and ask that you do NOT hit the poll at the other sites, in order to maintain the accuracy and integrity of the poll.

The choices are:

I would not own a registered firearm or device, regardless of cost

I would own a registered firearm or device, regardless of cost

I would own a registered firearm or device if the cost were greatly reduced

I would own multiple registered firearms or devices if the costs were greatly reduced

I do ask that we try to keep this poll at the top for at least a week, so that I may collect as much data as possible. Once I have collected as much as I can, I will be writing Doug Lamborn to propose the bill, or whatever measure may be used.

[TS12000]

Sellouts....no really the choice between #1 and #4 is pretty hard but I would have to vote with #1. It's a right not a privilege, a fee makes it the other way around.

[Elhuero]

hmm tough choices....

gotta think about it.

[Zundfolge]

I too would love to just do away with it, but that's not going to happen in one fell swoop.

The changes I'd like to make are stair steps toward complete removal and some are chosen because they would be the most palatable to the masses.

The primary changes I'd like to see made are (in no particular order):

Move suppressors to Title I status (no longer NFA items, but serial numbered and sold as firearms ... probably with the same restrictions as handguns).
Reduce the tax from $200 on everything but full auto to $50 (leaving FA at $200 would make the change more palatable to the masses ... also leaving AOW's at $5).
Do away with the extended background checks on all form 4s after the first one (if you passed once it would be a waste of resources to do more than a simple NICS check on future purchases).
Re-open the NFA registry to new FA firearms.Again, these are all compromises and eventually I'd like to eliminate most if not all firearms laws on the federal level (and most on the local level as well) but these changes would go a long way toward increasing the number of NFA owners, and if you want to do away with the NFA we need MORE people owning NFA items as currently NFA owners are so rare as to be almost non-existent in the minds of most Americans. Its the start of a social process called Normalization.

[BigMat]

^+1

I think the suppressor bit is a no brainer, hell I've wished for suppressor on other peoples guns in the mountains a few times. I also think saying "the new back round check would be as strict as buying a semi-automatic pistol or an assault rifle!" would probably convince a lot of people to go for it, as most people are ignorant to reality.

[TS12000]

[HiFive] Zundfolge

You also have to take into account the general knowledge of most anti's. You're more likely to see them think a suppressor has no use except to keep your mass murdering spree absolutely silent. They don't seem the type to actually study what they hate to see these devices do have an actual, lawful purpose.

[Irving]

Would eliminating federal gun laws cause the problem of States creating their own ridiculous laws though?

[SA Friday]

Would eliminating federal gun laws cause the problem of States creating their own ridiculous laws though?

Yes and no. The ultimate problem with just more than the second amendment issues of fed and state regulation is neither the fed or state bills have to pass any test against legality before becoming a law. They are based on morality only. To negate a bad or illegal law, it has to be directly challenged in court and nullified or written into non-existence by another later bill passed into law. If addressed and amended or nullified by the court ruling, precedence is set and further laws have to follow that precedence. It would stop states and the federal government from traveling down that road of law again.

What you propose doesn't fall under the precedence principal, and will have immediate cascading effects within state legislation. So in many states, there might be a small window of a week where you could purchase only to get caught up in state laws making it illegal. Other states would have multiple ongoing congressional attempts to ratify making this position permanent or passing laws to make it illegal (this is what would happen in CO). Other states like MT and WY would immediately ratify this position to within their constitutional rights.

Here's the real rub. Historically, once a right has been limited or taken away, politicians refuse to give it back or address the legality of that limitation. The rare times they do, getting the support for an item that the average American thinks is illegal to have anyway. As much as I agree with what you want to do, you are overlooking some of the realities of the issue. The cost for a quality suppressor is your limitation, not the tax nor the paperwork. You can't just slap a can on any firearm either. There is an accumulated cost to put the right can on the right gun.

Quite frankly, everyone is better served getting the NFA overturned in the supreme court. It takes less than a year to write and approve bad laws. It takes lifetimes to get them removed and if down wrong, douche bags like the Brady bunch always get another shot at it.

[patrick0685]

i like most of what Zundfolge had to say...i would still like Auto to be cheaper though

[Zundfolge]

i like most of what Zundfolge had to say...i would still like Auto to be cheaper though

Opening the registry back up to new full autos would go a long way toward making full auto cheaper.

There really is no reason that full auto shouldn't cost the same as semi auto (thus making a $200 tax not that big a deal).

Keep in mind that inflation will probably make that $200 seem like $20 in our lifetime :p