Presidential "birther" bill

[spyder]

I like Arizona officials...
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/15/arizona-legislature-oks-presidential-birther-bill/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk1%7C56261

PHOENIX - The Arizona Legislature gave final approval late Thursday night to a proposal that would require President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove they are U.S. citizens before their names can appear on the state's ballot.

Arizona would become the first state to require such proof if Gov. Jan Brewer signs the measure into law.

Republican Rep. Carl Seel of Phoenix, the author of the bill, said the bill wasn't about opposition to Obama. "This bill is about the integrity of our elections," Seel said.

Thirteen other states have considered similar proposals this year. The proposals were defeated in Arkansas, Connecticut, Maine and Montana.

The bill won final approval from the state House in a 40-16 vote.

So-called "birthers" contend since the last presidential election that Obama is ineligible to hold the nation's highest elected office because, they argue, he was actually born in Kenya, his father's homeland. The Constitution said a person must be a "natural-born citizen" to be eligible for the presidency.

Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama's citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public. Even though the courts have rebuffed lawsuits challenging Obama's eligibility, the issue hasn't gone away.

"It's a fringe issue in my view, and it's going to cause people to look again at Arizona and say what's all this craziness going on there," said Democratic Rep. Daniel Patterson of Tucson, an opponent of the bill.

The Arizona proposal would require political parties and presidential candidates to hand in affidavits stating a candidate's citizenship and age and to provide the candidate's birth certificate and a sworn statement saying where the candidate has lived for 14 years.

If candidates don't have a copy of their birth certificates, they could meet the requirement by providing baptismal or circumcision certificates, hospital birth records and other documents.

If it can't be determined whether candidates who provided documents in place of their birth certificates are eligible to appear on the ballot, the secretary of state would be able to set up a committee to help determine whether the requirements have been met.

The names of candidates can be kept off the ballot if the secretary of state doesn't believe the candidates met the citizenship requirement.

[68Charger]

I can still like them, without living there.. [LOL]

too bad Colorado legislature wouldn't do this... too left leaning, and lack the testicular fortitude (I know, a bit redundant)

[Lex_Luthor]

GO ARIZONA!! I hope the Feds don't shut this one down.

[Colorado Luckydog]

What's the difference between Barry Obama and his dog???

At least his dog has papers![ROFL1]

[sniper7]

Go arizona!

[DeusExMachina]

I don't get it. His birth certificate is public knowledge...why is this an issue?

[Byte Stryke]

Democratic Rep. Daniel Patterson of Tucson....


Worried about how other people think instead of whats right or wrong.
not a puppet politician at all.


[ROFL1]

[2008f450]

What's the difference between Barry Obama and his dog???

At least his dog has papers![ROFL1]


The dog will listen to his master. Barry insane wont

[Daniel_187]

Am sure he has one doctored up for him because the .gov does not want to have this slap back in there face. He can get all the faked documents he wants, At my last job some of the employees would get fake papers all the time, for opening bank accounts, SS, Heath care. And the bosses did not care.

[68Charger]

I don't get it. His birth certificate is public knowledge...why is this an issue?

Some light reading: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/important_difference_between_a.html

I don't get wrapped around the axle about it, but there's still a lingering doubt... if he satisfies the AZ Secretary of State (a republican), that'll go a long way to end the controversy...

I wish the issue would go away, either because he proves it, or because he is booted out of office for faking the documentation...

[spyder]

Am sure he has one doctored up for him because the .gov does not want to have this slap back in there face. He can get all the faked documents he wants, At my last job some of the employees would get fake papers all the time, for opening bank accounts, SS, Heath care. And the bosses did not care.
It is amazing what the general public can fake. When I was in the auto industry the ammount of fake items illegals would bring in to try to do a car deal was amazing. I saw fake licenses, bank statements linked to fake check books that they would try to make down payments with, fake titles, SSN's, the list goes on...

[Byte Stryke]

Canon scanners scan to PDF
Use a canon on a document + http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobatpro.html

Make anything you like

[Tweety Bird]

1 word:

9th Circus Court of Appeals

It'll never survive the activist courts.

[Beer] Here's hoping I'm wrong about that, though.

[Colorado Luckydog]

1 word:

9th Circus Court of Appeals

It'll never survive the activist courts.

[Beer] Here's hoping I'm wrong about that, though.

That's not one word dude.[ROFL1] I hope you're wrong too.[Beer]

[DeusExMachina]

Am sure he has one doctored up for him because the .gov does not want to have this slap back in there face. He can get all the faked documents he wants, At my last job some of the employees would get fake papers all the time, for opening bank accounts, SS, Heath care. And the bosses did not care.
Okay, so if its easy to fake documents and even some people without the financial backing of a president can fake stuff, what's it matter? He was elected, find fault with him otherwise. Latching on to this when he's spending us down a hole, getting us into another war, and refusing to tax the rich are real reasons to be pissed off.

Some light reading: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/04/important_difference_between_a.html

I don't get wrapped around the axle about it, but there's still a lingering doubt... if he satisfies the AZ Secretary of State (a republican), that'll go a long way to end the controversy...

I wish the issue would go away, either because he proves it, or because he is booted out of office for faking the documentation...

While this AZ bill will take baptismal or circumcision certificates as proof, getting caught up in the language of "birth certificate" and "certificate of live birth" is pointless.

The whole thing is wasted time and effort, imho, and just an angle the media uses to say "Look at the right, they're so crazy."

[OneGuy67]

DeusExMachina:

You have some good points. However, while I wouldn't consider myself a "birther", I wonder why he spent a ton of his own money and now, a ton of our money, keeping his birth certificate, his college transcripts, his passport, etc. a secret from all of us. Depending on who you listen to, the bill for the taxpayers is around $2 million dollars so far.

Why is he hiding these documents? Is there something on them he doesn't want people to see?

I personally don't care too much about the birth certificate, but I am very interested in the college transcripts. He admits he was a 'B' student at Occidental College. That being said, how did he get into Harvard Law School, a school that only takes the top 1% of college graduates? Is there something on those transcripts, like being a foreign student from Indonesia, that helped him gain acceptance? How about paying for all these schools? Student loans or grants? Those are the questions I would like to have answered.

[DeusExMachina]

What has $2 million been spent on? Saying no? I don't get it.

He probably got into Harvard Law School because of affirmative action. And he graduated from Harvard Magna Cum Laude, so that is pretty impressive.

I'll restate my point again: there are bigger fish to fry.

[OneGuy67]

What has $2 million been spent on? Saying no? I don't get it.

He probably got into Harvard Law School because of affirmative action. And he graduated from Harvard Magna Cum Laude, so that is pretty impressive.

I'll restate my point again: there are bigger fish to fry.

There have been multiple lawsuits from people who want him to release his documents and he has AG office lawyers, who fight the process in courts all over the nation. He initially did this on his own dime while a candidate and now, he has government lawyers doing it.

Affirmative Action is one thing; you still need to be in the top 1% of your class to get in. Yes, he graduated at the top of his law school class, but he certainly wasn't anywhere near that at his undergraduate.

[Byte Stryke]

DeusExMachina:

You have some good points. However, while I wouldn't consider myself a "birther", I wonder why he spent a ton of his own money and now, a ton of our money, keeping his birth certificate, his college transcripts, his passport, etc. a secret from all of us. Depending on who you listen to, the bill for the taxpayers is around $2 million dollars so far.

Why is he hiding these documents? Is there something on them he doesn't want people to see?

I personally don't care too much about the birth certificate, but I am very interested in the college transcripts. He admits he was a 'B' student at Occidental College. That being said, how did he get into Harvard Law School, a school that only takes the top 1% of college graduates? Is there something on those transcripts, like being a foreign student from Indonesia, that helped him gain acceptance? How about paying for all these schools? Student loans or grants? Those are the questions I would like to have answered.



That's a nice shiny hat ya got there.
:D

[OneGuy67]

That's a nice shiny hat ya got there.
:D


Like it? I borrowed your box of foil and made it!!
[Coffee]

[CMP_5.56]

Lets face it, the man ios a figure head, a manchurian canidate. He is the puppet we all see. I'm worried about the puppet masters pulling his strings more.

(foil hat removed and put away for next rant!) [Tooth]

[Byte Stryke]

Like it? I borrowed your box of foil and made it!!
[Coffee]



Its OK Brother, I Have extra.


welcome to the dark side...
we have cookies!

[OneGuy67]

Its OK Brother, I Have extra.


welcome to the dark side...
we have cookies!


I need punch too!

[rockhound]

What has $2 million been spent on? Saying no? I don't get it.

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really? I swear some people just live under a rock, this country needs to turn off the IPOD and start learning and listening. this guy has been hiding his records and hiring lawyers to seal them for years.

the last number was actually closer to 3 million. the copy he has produced has been looked over by document experts who swear it is a fake.

he was "born in Hawaii, but has a Connecticut social security number" his birth cert. from 1961 say he is "african" the tem did not exist as a race until the 80s, everyone else in born in the hospital that day is called "negro" on their birth cert. why is his different.

why can't we see his college transcripts, because he used his foreign staus to secure financing or to get him in. MHO

and he let a protesting army surgeon go to prison rather than step up and actually prove he is a citizen

Con artist from the word go, even the govenor of Hawaii couldn't produce the orignal and back tracked all over himself trying to hide it.

do i believe every conspiracy theory? no, but this needs to be put to bed rather than just filing another court fight to keep it under wraps.

he is a douche bag MHO

[spencerhenry]

i saw on newsmax that trump stated that obama's grandmother said he was born in kenya! on rush's show i heard a while back that obama applied for financial aid as a non US citizen. not that those two things are definitive proof, but add that to the refusal to produce documentation and it really makes you wonder.

[Byte Stryke]

The left will spend more of your money keeping this under wraps if for no other reason than to keep the tea party and the right from being correct.

a black eye like this would ensure the democratic party would not be elected again for decades, effectively killing the party and any semblance of political balance in our government.

[rockhound]

no one spends millions to hide a non issue

there is no benefit in spending 2 or 3 million (does the amount matter) to defend these records If everything is on the up and up.

what is the benefit? what is the payoff? unless you are hiding a secret then all you have done is spend 3 million to what??? hide the fact that your are being truthful

MY BULLSH.. METER IS PEGGED AT NECK DEEP AND RISING ON ALL OF IT.

[roberth]

no one spends millions to hide a non issue

there is no benefit in spending 2 or 3 million (does the amount matter) to defend these records If everything is on the up and up.

what is the benefit? what is the payoff? unless you are hiding a secret then all you have done is spend 3 million to what??? hide the fact that your are being truthful

MY BULLSH.. METER IS PEGGED AT NECK DEEP AND RISING ON ALL OF IT.

Yup, there is something fishy going on with obamalamadipshit.

My #1 question is where did he find a Wookie to marry, I mean I thought Wookies were just movie characters.[Tooth]

[SAnd]

a black eye like this would ensure the democratic party would not be elected again for decades, effectively killing the party and any semblance of political balance in our government.
The lefties would just scream racist even louder and say it doesn't matter what that the Constitution says because it is an outdated document that should be changed. The majority of the dem's would still vote for him and riot if they didn't get their way.

[DeusExMachina]

really? I swear some people just live under a rock, this country needs to turn off the IPOD and start learning and listening. this guy has been hiding his records and hiring lawyers to seal them for years.

the last number was actually closer to 3 million. the copy he has produced has been looked over by document experts who swear it is a fake.

he was "born in Hawaii, but has a Connecticut social security number" his birth cert. from 1961 say he is "african" the tem did not exist as a race until the 80s, everyone else in born in the hospital that day is called "negro" on their birth cert. why is his different.

why can't we see his college transcripts, because he used his foreign staus to secure financing or to get him in. MHO

and he let a protesting army surgeon go to prison rather than step up and actually prove he is a citizen

Con artist from the word go, even the govenor of Hawaii couldn't produce the orignal and back tracked all over himself trying to hide it.

do i believe every conspiracy theory? no, but this needs to be put to bed rather than just filing another court fight to keep it under wraps.

he is a douche bag MHO

As I said in that other thread, I really dislike these non-gun political threads on this forum. But I definitely learned some new stuff from your post assuming its accurate. And on the topic at hand, I still think its a waste of time for the baptism/circumcision certificate parts.

[hurley842002]

As I said in that other thread, I really dislike these non-gun political threads on this forum. But I definitely learned some new stuff from your post assuming its accurate. And on the topic at hand, I still think its a waste of time for the baptism/circumcision certificate parts.

Nobody is twisting your arm, making you respond to, or even read these threads that are being discussed, amongst a bunch of crazy, conspiracy theory believing conservatives. Seems to me, it would be much easier to just read the title (which pretty much explains the topic), roll your eyes, and move on.

Maybe we need some Mod intervention, I think Erno has broken into DeusExMachina's account.

[DeusExMachina]

Nobody is twisting your arm, making you respond to, or even read these threads that are being discussed, amongst a bunch of crazy, conspiracy theory believing conservatives. Seems to me, it would be much easier to just read the title (which pretty much explains the topic), roll your eyes, and move on.

Maybe we need some Mod intervention, I think Erno has broken into DeusExMachina's account.

Maybe I'm a masochist, or maybe I figure if I point out the hypocracy and stupidity the threads will stop. [ROFL1]

I honestly think we need a "Political Playground" forum that doesn't show up in the "New Threads" list.

[Byte Stryke]

Maybe I'm a masochist, or maybe I figure if I point out the hypocracy and stupidity the threads will stop. [ROFL1]

I honestly think we need a "Political Playground" forum that doesn't show up in the "New Threads" list.


do you really lack the self control?

I mean, I know I do... but I try not to blame others for it :D