Colo. Senate OKs in-state tuition for illegal immigrants

[Seamonkey]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/193672/339/Senate-OKs-in-state-tuition-for-illegal-immigrants


DENVER - The Colorado Senate approved allowing illegal immigrant students to pay in-state tuition at state colleges in a 20-13 voice vote Friday. The bill would cover students who have:

- Attended a Colorado high school for at least three years
- Been admitted to a state college within a year of graduation
- Applied for citizenship

This would affect an estimated 700 students annually.

The way the system currently stands, illegal immigrants are not eligible for state need-based financial aid. Backers have dubbed the bill the "asset act," or the "advancing students for a stronger economy tomorrow." Democrats argue the bill will help create a more-educated workforce and would give more money to higher education. They estimate that total to be around $1.28 million.

Republicans who oppose the bill fear the bill would provide incentive for immigrants to come to the country illegally and will lead to higher operating costs at colleges.

Friday's vote was strictly on party lines, but for some legislators, it was more personal.

"I feel I would not be able to live with myself if I did not get up and speak," Sen. Lucia Guzman (D-Denver) said.

"I do have family members who are undocumented," Sen. Angela Giron (D-Pueblo), one of the bill's sponsors, said.

Republicans maintained their strong opposition to the plan.

This bill is trying to give an in-state tuition [cut] to a class of people that are breaking the law," Sen. Scott Renfroe (R-Greeley) said.

"We are incentivizing more illegal behavior by future generations," Sen. Ted Harvey (R-Highlands Ranch) said.

This is the fifth time the Democrats in Colorado have tried to pass a bill that gives in-state tuition to illegal immigrants. A similar bill died in the Senate in 2009 on a 16-18 vote.

"This is not a partisan issue. This is good education policy and good fiscal policy. It brings in good money for colleges and tax revenue, helps kids that want to get ahead in college go," Sen. Michael Johnston (D-Denver) said.

"I don't think we should incentivize illegal activity, and that's exactly what this does. You cannot grant somebody an entitlement, or make them eligible for a benefit, and reward illegal activity," Sen. Bill Cadman (R-Colorado Springs) said.

The bill sponsors are still waiting for a house committee assignment. The vote could come in the Republican-controlled House as soon as early next week.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

[ChunkyMonkey]

So CO residents must pay the same tuition as the illegals, a poor kid from Wyoming cannot go to the Federal subsidized Colorado university w/o paying 3x as much as the illegals in State AND finally, foreign students who pay arms and legs for Visa and doing the right thing pays the full amount should be encouraged not to extend their VISA..because its cheaper to be illegal. Got it, good move!

[Byte Stryke]

OK Goddamnit, Stop with the fluffy Bunny bullshit and pull off the fucking rose-colored glasses.
Stop with the PC naming bullshit!

"I do have family members who are undocumented," Sen. Angela Giron (D-Pueblo), one of the bill's sponsors, said.
IS ACTUALLY

"I do have family members who are CRIMINALS," Sen. Angela Giron (D-Pueblo), one of the bill's sponsors, said.


Come here, do the right thing and get screwed, But if you are Latino and in violation of State and federal laws we give you a prize!

[Buzzkill69]

How is it that someone who is in this country illegally is able to get inrolled in college in the first place? Even if they graduate they can't legally get a job anyway, so how is that helping the work force/economy? When are we going to stop treating criminals/illegals better then the legal law abiding citizens? They need to start allowing CO. citizens the right to vote on this crap.

[JohnTRourke]

it is so over.
been over for a long time, but we might as well move the process along.

it simply can't be fixed.

some animals are more equal than others (animal farm reference)

[Bailey Guns]

This bill had better die a quick death in the Republican house...

[roberth]

This bill had better die a quick death in the Republican house...

Damn straight.

How is it that some illegal, lying scum is able to go to a Colorado high school for 3 years in the first place?

These maggots need to be stopped at the border.

[HBARleatherneck]

all i can say is...fuck politicians. all of them. every last one. regardless.

[BPTactical]

all i can say is...fuck politicians. all of them. every last one. regardless.

+10,000
Dem Mudderphaqrs!

[flan7211]

What a load of Bullshit!!! First off as a recent college grad, I can say degree's are not a vital asset for our economy. The only thing this bull does is increase the inflation of degree's and further devalues the rest of ours. [Rant1]

Dammit when will they say enough is enough. If these illegals are known by name get them the hell out of here.

[alxone]

This bill had better die a quick death in the Republican house...
one can only hope [Rant1]

[Buzzkill69]

it simply can't be fixed.


all i can say is...fuck politicians. all of them. every last one. regardless.
I find myself thinking these same things more and more!![Rant2]

[CMP_5.56]

"I do have family members who are undocumented," Sen. Angela Giron (D-Pueblo), one of the bill's sponsors, said.
Am I the only one who thinks this woman should be forced to give up her senate seat unless she gives up her illegal relatives for deportation?

This one of the problems right here. this woman was probably an anchor baby, and is now voting to reward that kind of behavior.

makes me sick. [Puke]

[splogan]

And we move yet one more step away from greatness. Our politicians will not be happy until thy ruin our great nation. This makes me sad.

[rammit]

Am I the only one who thinks this woman should be forced to give up her senate seat unless she gives up her illegal relatives for deportation?

This one of the problems right here. this woman was probably an anchor baby, and is now voting to reward that kind of behavior.

makes me sick.

That comment alone just blew me away. I took a migration economics class in college and for my final project i had to research and interview a migrant and if it was fou d I interviewed am illegal I would fail the class. So how is an elected official can hold office for being simply associated with these "undocumented people

[splogan]

I am not sure you have noticed, the laws now only seem to apply to common folk, the politicians live by different rules. Much like we pay taxes or pay the price yet many of the politicians have failed to do so. They have created their own form or royalty. Time works in circles and things are coming full circle.

[Jumpstart]

Georgia is passing tough new legislation on illegal immigration, seems of their annual 18 billion dollar state budget, 2.4 billion was being used on and by illegal aliens. Georgia is a long way from the border y'all.

[DeusExMachina]

This is only if they have applied for citizenship. What happened to a lot of your guys stance "it's okay if they're trying to be citizens"? You're all just sounding like anti-immigrant now.

[Byte Stryke]

This is only if they have applied for citizenship. What happened to a lot of your guys stance "it's okay if they're trying to be citizens"? You're all just sounding like anti-immigrant now.

The bill would cover students who have:
- Attended a Colorado high school for at least three years
- Been admitted to a state college within a year of graduation
- Applied for citizenship
This would affect an estimated 700 students annually.
I didn't see an "AND" in there
*IF* thats the case then I would concede this is a good idea.
as I see it is an optional list

"My Momma and Poppa bring me here when I was 14 on the drug cartel trail, I go to high school in Colorado. When I graduate I want to go to college and make lots of money to send to Mexico."

[sniper7]

Fuck them. Fuck the illegals and especially fuck the senator who says she has illegal criminals in her family. I would love to see them targeted for deportation.

[Molon_Labe-1775]

Fucking amazing [Rant1]


We can't afford to fix the fucking roads around Colorado because the state is broke, but we can send people to college that are ILLEGALS.

I fucking hate these liberal bastards!

[OneGuy67]

This is only if they have applied for citizenship. What happened to a lot of your guys stance "it's okay if they're trying to be citizens"? You're all just sounding like anti-immigrant now.

It would depend on what order that the actions occurred in. Is it go to college, get a degree on the government's dime and then apply for citizenship, or is it get your citizenship and THEN go to college?

You want to go to college? Fine. Either get your green card and eventually start the final citizenship requirements and go to college on the reduced price or pay out of state tuition like someone from Wyoming. AND, no public money grants or student loans should be given to the illegals to pay for college. You find some private grants or private money to pay the tuition; that's it.

You shouldn't get better treatment at ICE for being a college student; you need to stand in line with the rest of the people looking to do the same thing.

[DeusExMachina]

It would depend on what order that the actions occurred in. Is it go to college, get a degree on the government's dime and then apply for citizenship, or is it get your citizenship and THEN go to college?

You want to go to college? Fine. Either get your green card and eventually start the final citizenship requirements and go to college on the reduced price or pay out of state tuition like someone from Wyoming. AND, no public money grants or student loans should be given to the illegals to pay for college. You find some private grants or private money to pay the tuition; that's it.

You shouldn't get better treatment at ICE for being a college student; you need to stand in line with the rest of the people looking to do the same thing.

"The bill would cover students who have:

- Attended a Colorado high school for at least three years
- Been admitted to a state college within a year of graduation
- Applied for citizenship"

Its the very beginning of the article. Geeze.

[OneGuy67]

"The bill would cover students who have:

- Attended a Colorado high school for at least three years
- Been admitted to a state college within a year of graduation
- Applied for citizenship"

Its the very beginning of the article. Geeze.

Um, yeah I know. I can read.

My point is, in what order is the process. It only provides for the application for citizenship, not actually doing ANYTHING towards obtaining it. Anyone can fill out a damn application, but there are a number of steps in the process you need to go through to obtain the citizenship. Getting a green card is like step number 4 in the process.

If you aren't required to do more than put in an application, that isn't acceptable.

[DeusExMachina]

You do realize if you do not qualify for citizenship and apply you will be deported, right? There's a fee, interviews, investigation, tests, etc in the process of applying for citizenship. You can't just mail in a piece of paper and suddenly get discounted tuition.

The other option is to have a green card and apply, which is also not an easy thing to get.

[ChunkyMonkey]

This is only if they have applied for citizenship. What happened to a lot of your guys stance "it's okay if they're trying to be citizens"? You're all just sounding like anti-immigrant now.

So you are supporting illegal entry/stay as long as they are trying to be citizens? That describes most of the illegals here right.

I came here through scholarship and had my F1 visa - while spending 6 years of going through CU and DU, I have never had been 'illegal' or out of status. This bill is just an excuse to allow 'the illegals' to go to school w/ subsidized Federal and State fund (in State tuition) as long as they have intention to be citizen one day.

[ChunkyMonkey]

You do realize if you do not qualify for citizenship and apply you will be deported, right? There's a fee, interviews, investigation, tests, etc in the process of applying for citizenship. You can't just mail in a piece of paper and suddenly get discounted tuition.

The other option is to have a green card and apply, which is also not an easy thing to get.

Bulls... I know plenty who came here illegal then apply for political asylum, rejected then go under ground and was never deported. Deportation process takes about 12-14 months from judge ruling of denial to actual removal. Plenty of time to go underground.

To support this bill is to slap those who earn citizenship legally in the face.

[TFOGGER]

"The bill would cover students who have:

- Attended a Colorado high school for at least three years
So, as long as you've been breaking Federal law for at least 3 years, it's ok?
- Been admitted to a state college within a year of graduation
- Applied for citizenship"

Its the very beginning of the article. Geeze.

I'll say it again: Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant' is like calling the corner drug dealer an "undocumented pharmacist".

[Byte Stryke]

I'll say it again: Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant' is like calling the corner drug dealer an "undocumented pharmacist".


I wonder if we all showed up at Senator Angela Giro's home and took her family back across the border as "Undocumented ICE Agents" if they would see the irony in that.

[DeusExMachina]

So you are supporting illegal entry/stay as long as they are trying to be citizens? That describes most of the illegals here right.

I came here through scholarship and had my F1 visa - while spending 6 years of going through CU and DU, I have never had been 'illegal' or out of status. This bill is just an excuse to allow 'the illegals' to go to school w/ subsidized Federal and State fund (in State tuition) as long as they have intention to be citizen one day.

Stop putting words in my mouth. This is targeted at children who had no choice in emigrating here, obviously.

[OneGuy67]

You do realize if you do not qualify for citizenship and apply you will be deported, right? There's a fee, interviews, investigation, tests, etc in the process of applying for citizenship. You can't just mail in a piece of paper and suddenly get discounted tuition.

The other option is to have a green card and apply, which is also not an easy thing to get.


Yeah...right after all the other illegals ICE has been notified about through Secure Communities.

As long as it is put simply as applying for citizenship and not getting citizenship, then no. I do not support this in any way. You want discounted tuition? Become a citizen first.

[DOC]

Makes for a better trained group of labor for outsourcing.

[Bailey Guns]

This is only if they have applied for citizenship. What happened to a lot of your guys stance "it's okay if they're trying to be citizens"? You're all just sounding like anti-immigrant now.

How many times does the word "illegal" need to be mentioned before you get it?

I don't care that the po little chillens didn't have a choice in immigrating here. It's an incentive for their criminal parents to break the law. It's an incentive for others to break the law and bring their children with them. We should be discouraging this behavior rather than encouraging it.

And I DAMN SURE will not support giving financial aid in the form of MY FUCKING TAX DOLLARS to illegal aliens when a United States citizen from another state might not get the same consideration.

Are you out of your mind? If you support this you are part of the problem...no ifs, ands or buts about it. I don't care how you or the liberal asshats in the state legislature try to rationalize how good it's going to be for me and everyone else.

[sniper7]

So you are supporting illegal entry/stay as long as they are trying to be citizens? That describes most of the illegals here right.

I came here through scholarship and had my F1 visa - while spending 6 years of going through CU and DU, I have never had been 'illegal' or out of status. This bill is just an excuse to allow 'the illegals' to go to school w/ subsidized Federal and State fund (in State tuition) as long as they have intention to be citizen one day.


this. there is a reason there is a lot of opposition to the bill. the dems love illegals because they typically get their votes. those votes also require our tax dollars to be given away...one thing dems are very good at (giving away other peoples money).

I don't care what the bill says, it is a gateway, a start to a further downhill path and I don't like it. Illegal is illegal and i don't see the problem with them paying out of state tuition.

[Bailey Guns]

I don't think an illegal alien should be allowed to attend a publicly funded school. Period. You wanna fund their schooling? Adopt them.

[DeusExMachina]

How many times does the word "illegal" need to be mentioned before you get it?

I don't care that the po little chillens didn't have a choice in immigrating here. It's an incentive for their criminal parents to break the law. It's an incentive for others to break the law and bring their children with them. We should be discouraging this behavior rather than encouraging it.

And I DAMN SURE will not support giving financial aid in the form of MY FUCKING TAX DOLLARS to illegal aliens when a United States citizen from another state might not get the same consideration.

Are you out of your mind? If you support this you are part of the problem...no ifs, ands or buts about it. I don't care how you or the liberal asshats in the state legislature try to rationalize how good it's going to be for me and everyone else.

http://files.sharenator.com/U_MAD_obama_The_Ultimate_Graffiti_Guide-s450x286-94948-535.jpg

I just enjoy playing devil's advocate for these stupid political threads. IMO, the only political threads I care to see on my gun forum are gun related. I find responses like yours particularly hilarious.

[birddog]

So I think we can agree that all politics are corrupt as all get out, however Aside from the broad who sponsored this bill (with illegal immigrant family) what was the benefit for the other 20? Obviously they wouldn't vote for it unless the got some bennies, right?

[DOC]

What if we start ratcheting down on legit voting. Have background checks to ensure there is no voter fraud. If we did that Dems and Republicans wouldn't have to worry about kissing illegal's butts. I think the dems would get hurt the worse too.

[Bailey Guns]

I just enjoy playing devil's advocate for these stupid political threads. IMO, the only political threads I care to see on my gun forum are gun related. I find responses like yours particularly hilarious.

Uh huh. For someone who doesn't care about political threads you've sure invested a lot of time in this one.

I find it interesting that you've suddenly chosen to play "devil's advocate" rather than continue to defend your (what I consider to be indefensible) position.

Gee...I'm trying to remember where I've seen that tactic before.

But you are right about me being mad. This kind of crap really fires me up. Just ask my state representative...Tom Massey.

[DeusExMachina]

What if we start ratcheting down on legit voting. Have background checks to ensure there is no voter fraud. If we did that Dems and Republicans wouldn't have to worry about kissing illegal's butts. I think the dems would get hurt the worse too.

Now I remember why I post in these threads. I hope to god you're joking.

[DeusExMachina]

Uh huh. For someone who doesn't care about political threads you've sure invested a lot of time in this one.

I find it interesting that you've suddenly chosen to play "devil's advocate" rather than continue to defend your (what I consider to be indefensible) position.

Gee...I'm trying to remember where I've seen that tactic before.

But you are right about me being mad. This kind of crap really fires me up. Just ask my state representative...Tom Massey.

Invested a lot of time? I wouldn't say 15 minutes total "a lot". Its a lazy Saturday and I can't find this kind of entertainment on cable.

If I'm not playing devil's advocate, what am I? Maybe I'm an illegal loving liberal! [Help]

[sniper7]

So I think we can agree that all politics are corrupt as all get out, however Aside from the broad who sponsored this bill (with illegal immigrant family) what was the benefit for the other 20? Obviously they wouldn't vote for it unless the got some bennies, right?


yes...votes. we are more and more of a dem, left leaning liberal state, especially with the commies coming in from cali. and the illegals who somehow get to vote. a higher hispanic population as well.

talk to them and you will find most of them have illegals in their family who are here or came here illegally.

it is all about votes. they don't give a shit about you or your opinion, they don't care what kind of situation we are in. even our CIC wants to just keep buying his way out of debt. people love the benefits and the freebies an the feel good, but those of us who are getting nothing back and giving everything are not happy about it.

[sniper7]

What if we start ratcheting down on legit voting. Have background checks to ensure there is no voter fraud. If we did that Dems and Republicans wouldn't have to worry about kissing illegal's butts. I think the dems would get hurt the worse too.

not going to work. Hispanic voters generally vote for the dems. most of them know illegals, have them in their family, are descendants from some, or are illegal themselves.

illegal is illegal. bottom line. time to take a hard stance. letting little things go by here and there go us where we are at today.

[Irving]

I can't wait till I'm a minority and can start getting sweet benefits like this.

[Bailey Guns]

Maybe I'm an illegal loving liberal!

You'd know better than I would.

[hurley842002]

yes...votes. we are more and more of a dem, left leaning liberal state, especially with the commies coming in from cali. and the illegals who somehow get to vote. a higher hispanic population as well.

talk to them and you will find most of them have illegals in their family who are here or came here illegally.

it is all about votes. they don't give a shit about you or your opinion, they don't care what kind of situation we are in. even our CIC wants to just keep buying his way out of debt. people love the benefits and the freebies an the feel good, but those of us who are getting nothing back and giving everything are not happy about it.

^^^ This about sums it up. Bottom line is, they are going to push, and push, and push, and while it may not happen in my lifetime, Freedom loving AMERICANS are going to get sick and tired of it. What happens after that, is anyones guess, but it won't be good.

[porfiriozg]

this might sound like some more BS but can we fix the system before we, you, whoever pick on illegals.

in open for suggestions, and as far as building the fence goes lets volunteer to build it (if your not willing to help build stop complaining)

i can't wait to see what you have to say,

also if you want me to remove my post just ask i won't get butt hurt over it like some others

[hurley842002]

this might sound like some more BS but can we fix the system before we, you, whoever pick on illegals.

in open for suggestions, and as far as building the fence goes lets volunteer to build it (if your not willing to help build stop complaining)

i can't wait to see what you have to say,

also if you want me to remove my post just ask i won't get butt hurt over it like some others

Fix the system as in, COMPLETELY seal the border, and then work on immigration policy, and figuring out how to deal with illegals already in the country? Sounds great to me. Now to convince the Maroons running this show to agree.

As far as removing your post is concerned, freedom loving Americans also appreciate the Constitution, and would NEVER ask you to remove your post. [Beer]

[porfiriozg]

Fix the system as in, COMPLETELY seal the border, and then work on immigration policy, and figuring out how to deal with illegals already in the country? Sounds great to me. Now to convince the Maroons running this show to agree.

As far as removing your post is concerned, freedom loving Americans also appreciate the Constitution, and would NEVER ask you to remove your post. [Beer]

thank you, as far as what i meant seal the boarders and get rid of the retards in charge

[hurley842002]

thank you, as far as what i meant seal the boarders and get rid of the retards in charge

Sounds like a plan to me, i'd spend a couple weeks of vacation volunteering to help build the fence.

[sniper7]

this might sound like some more BS but can we fix the system before we, you, whoever pick on illegals.

in open for suggestions, and as far as building the fence goes lets volunteer to build it (if your not willing to help build stop complaining)

i can't wait to see what you have to say,

also if you want me to remove my post just ask i won't get butt hurt over it like some others

Honestly imp I view it as an invasion and not immigration. Border hoppers should be shot the second their feet hits us soil. Sorry if you don't like it

[Bailey Guns]

It's not my responsibility to spend my time and resources as an individual to build a fence along the border. That's why we hire people. You know? Politicians?

It's ludicrous to say that I (or anyone else) don't have the right to complain about our porous borders if I'm not willing to build a fence. Jesus Christ! That's why we pay taxes.

That's like saying I can't complain about air traffic controllers falling asleep on the job if I'm not willing to go sit in a tower. Or, because I don't like the way TSA has airport security all fucked up I should go out to DIA and start my own passenger screening process? You probably need to take just a minute and think about what you're saying.

And I'm pretty sure I don't care if anyone thinks I'm "picking on illegals". You're damn right! They're the ones crossing the border illegally. Who should I "pick on"? Jehovah's Witnesses?

I say forget the fence. Mine the border. This has been a serious problem since I was a kid in the 70s. 40 years is enough time to solve the problem. Our system isn't broken. Our elected officials are broken. We already have the laws in place to stop illegal immigration. We need national leadership with balls enough to enforce those laws.

[Byte Stryke]

It's not my responsibility to spend my time and resources as an individual to build a fence along the border. That's why we hire people. You know? Politicians?

It's ludicrous to say that I (or anyone else) don't have the right to complain about our porous borders if I'm not willing to build a fence. Jesus Christ! That's why we pay taxes.

That's like saying I can't complain about air traffic controllers falling asleep on the job if I'm not willing to go sit in a tower. Or, because I don't like the way TSA has airport security all fucked up I should go out to DIA and start my own passenger screening process? You probably need to take just a minute and think about what you're saying.

And I'm pretty sure I don't care if anyone thinks I'm "picking on illegals". You're damn right! They're the ones crossing the border illegally. Who should I "pick on"? Jehovah's Witnesses?

I say forget the fence. Mine the border. This has been a serious problem since I was a kid in the 70s. 40 years is enough time to solve the problem. Our system isn't broken. Our elected officials are broken. We already have the laws in place to stop illegal immigration. We need national leadership with balls enough to enforce those laws.

lets stop calling them Illegal Immigrants.
Most of them are not immigrants. They are expatriates.
They come here, work, send money home and then leave.

They are Criminals like car thieves, Burglars, and Ponzi scheme brokers.
the fact that we have a Colorado Congresswoman that admits that members of her family are criminals and she advocates that behavior without LEGISLATING TO CHANGE THE LAWS. surely displays the level of "Fucked" we have attained.

do we need reform? yes. Make it easier to immigrate? yes
I've been through the system with 2 wives and its hell.

that doesnt mean we are allowed to skirt the law simply because we dont agree with it.

Follow it or change it.

[Bailey Guns]

I have no problem with immigrants who come here legally and follow the rules in place...regardless of where they're from.

[68Charger]

can we get Dues' title changed to "part-time troll"? [Coffee]

[Seamonkey]

This pissed me off when I heard it and two days later I'm still pissed.

Why do non-citizens have more benefits (in-state tuition) than citizens?
Why are the politicians not being brought up on "aiding and abetting a criminal" charges or the like?
Why is this open ended? If they had said for the next two years we will allow this to happen as part of an overhaul of our immigration system then it would be less difficult to choke on but open ended? That's not right.

I'm all for educating people, helping them escape the circle of poverty and allowing for a path to citizen ship but this just smacks me right in the stomach. We can afford to bomb yet another Muslim country, fight two wars but can't lower tuition costs for our own citizens yet can do it for illegals? WTF??? Why?


We need a grown up discussion on immigration but it won't happen until the politicians get around to it.

In my opinion you can't kick them all out... people will go into hiding even worse than they are now. A fence or mines across the border won't work either. Penn and Teller did a show where they built a copy of the proposed fence and had three teams cross. One over, one through, one under. I think the slowest team was still under 1m30sec. How can you catch, detain, process and release a never ending flood?

The system needs revamping as everyone knows but... how? who? when? I don't have the solution and haven't really seen an agreeable plan yet. There's going to be some sort of amnesty program, I don't see how you could bring change without that. I don't agree with it, don't like it, think it rewards criminals but... don't see how a change in immigration procedures would happen without some sort of amnesty. Unfortunalty anytime the subject is brought up the politicians hide behind party lines and fling poo at each other.


And there's the usual line of "well I guess you're parents are Native Americans and didn't migrate into the country". Bull shit. I have no way of knowing how my ancestors entered the country but that line still doesn't work. I don't know what the immigration process was 300 years ago. If you go back far enough then the "native" people migrated from current Siberia so, if you go back far enough, all our ancestors came from someplace else. Guess we're all Africans eh?

[porfiriozg]

Honestly imp I view it as an invasion and not immigration. Border hoppers should be shot the second their feet hits us soil. Sorry if you don't like it

not what i ment, besides they leave Mexico to get away from people who wouldn't think twice to shoot them,

just to let you know i came here from a town (in Mexico) of around 2,000.
today the population is about 1,000 mostly woman and the men didn't come to the U.S.

[Bailey Guns]

not what i ment, besides they leave Mexico to get away from people who wouldn't think twice to shoot them,

just to let you know i came here from a town (in Mexico) of around 2,000.
today the population is about 1,000 mostly woman and the men didn't come to the U.S.

I'm assuming you came here legally? I have no problem with that if that's the case. If you're here illegally, I have a huge problem with it.

As for the rest...yeah, it sucks. But it's not the responsibility of the US to take in every person from every third-world shithole.

[Ed_S]

I have no problem with immigrants who come here legally and follow the rules in place...regardless of where they're from.

Glad to hear that as I'm a 'legal' immigrant.

For the record illegals piss me off too. What pisses me more though is the fact that we know where they are and do nothing about it!

I can't see how the CO Senate can support illegal students as you're supposed to show your immigration status for higher education - a student visa. Does that mean CO is performing an illegal action by doing this just the same as a business is doing so by employing an illegal.

A lot of libtards give AZ grief regarding their policies on illegals but don't realize its a Federal requirement to prove employment status not a state requirement.

My first day at work here in CO I had to show my Green Card! Not that I mind in the slightest.

Illegals - round them up and ship them out! If the libtards don't like it they should go South of the border too.

[Bailey Guns]

I have some very good friends here who recently moved from their home country. It cost them a fortune...not to mention the brain damage involved in completing all the necessary paperwork and such. I'm happy they're here.

I'm happy for anyone who gets to come here LEGALLY. It's the "legally" part that seems to confuse so many otherwise intelligent people.

And it does seem that any state legislator that would sponsor such an act should be criminally culpable.

And, like you, I have to prove my legal right to work here.

[roberth]

Honestly imp I view it as an invasion and not immigration. Border hoppers should be shot the second their feet hits us soil. Sorry if you don't like it

I'm with you.

[Geology Rocks]

People always call me out on this because my family is 100% Italian. I am 2nd generation on both sides of my family and I still have a large portion of family in Naples Italy. I say build a big fence and not let anyone else in and deport those who are here illegally. People always then bring up my family to which I reply...

-Grandpa moved her legally from Sicily, and my other Grandpa moved her Legally from Naples.
- Both learned to speak English BEFORE they came over.
- Grandpa from Naples moved here first, got a job and worked hard. he then brought my grandmother over, who also spoke English by the way. After they were here my Grandfather opened his own poultry shop in Boston.
- When my parents were born, BOTH sides taught them Italian but also told them to only speak it in the house if they wanted too. You were NOT to speak it outside. Why? We are in America and Americans now! They were both so excited to be in America. This is also the reason why I don't speak Italian. They didnt share it as we are Americans now!

That's the type of immigration I am ALL for. Everyone else and go away.

oh and build a fence at the Canadian boarder as well. Damn beavers coming down here trying to steal our Lord Stanley

!

[roberth]

The left relishes illegal immigration b/c illegal immigration violates so many of the high standards that this country once held.

[theGinsue]

And, like you, I have to prove my legal right to work here.

I've had to prove my citizenship status and legal right to work in the last 2 positions I've been employed in. All this while maintaining a U.S. Government security clearance.

[Mtn.man]

I'm of Viking heritage we got here before Columbus.

[DOC]

Now I remember why I post in these threads. I hope to god you're joking.
Why would I joke about that? There is way to much fraud going on in the elections not to police it better.

[porfiriozg]

I'm assuming you came here legally? I have no problem with that if that's the case. If you're here illegally, I have a huge problem with it.

As for the rest...yeah, it sucks. But it's not the responsibility of the US to take in every person from every third-world shithole.


OK that explain to me why the US is involved in the middle east

[KevDen2005]

Absolutely ridiculous. But as soon as you oppose it you are accused of being racist and a civil rights violator. This pisses me off.

[Bailey Guns]

OK that explain to me why the US is involved in the middle east

WTF does that have to do with illegally crossing the border here due to violence in Mexico? Seriously.

And I see you didn't answer the question as to whether or not you're here legally.

[sniper7]

not what i ment, besides they leave Mexico to get away from people who wouldn't think twice to shoot them,

just to let you know i came here from a town (in Mexico) of around 2,000.
today the population is about 1,000 mostly woman and the men didn't come to the U.S.

Guess they are stuck between the drug cartels and aguy who couldn't give a shot. There is a process in place. They love to reap the benefits of our system and I am tired of it.

If you went through the process to come here legally then you obviously know how it is done and that it can be done. So I assume there shouldn't be any excuses.

[sniper7]

OK that explain to me why the US is involved in the middle east

Nothing to do with BG statement or questions. We are over there for terrorists, democracy (questionable), give those people a better life in their own country(I don't want them here and really don't care...I would much rather have our troops home shootin the southern invaders.), and we are there for oil and probably other reasons unknown.

Now what does that have to do with illegals that rape our system?

[porfiriozg]

Nothing to do with BG statement or questions. We are over there for terrorists, democracy (questionable), give those people a better life in their own country(I don't want them here and really don't care...I would much rather have our troops home shootin the southern invaders.), and we are there for oil and probably other reasons unknown.

Now what does that have to do with illegals that rape our system?

terrorist? than what about the U.S. trained gang know as los zetas

[Jumpstart]

Nothing to do with BG statement or questions. We are over there for terrorists, democracy (questionable), give those people a better life in their own country(I don't want them here and really don't care...I would much rather have our troops home shootin the southern invaders.), and we are there for oil and probably other reasons unknown.

Now what does that have to do with illegals that rape our system?


I used the "illegals are raping us" analogy today at work. It is exactly what they are doing. I read a story in a New Mexico paper today. 1 in 5 "New Mexicans" are on food stamps. Oh yeah, NM gives illegals driver's licenses too.

[sniper7]

I used the "illegals are raping us" analogy today at work. It is exactly what they are doing. I read a story in a New Mexico paper today. 1 in 5 "New Mexicans" are on food stamps. Oh yeah, NM gives illegals driver's licenses too.

They get them here in CO as well.

2 weeks ago I caught a guy dumping trash out near where my dad lives. I was out riding 4 wheelers with my dad and we were up on a hill talking to a neighbor. I see the guy driving down the road and he starts tossing stuff out the window. I didn't know he was hispanic, I just knew he was dumping trash. I flew down the hill and cut him off at the end of the road and starting going off. he kept saying "no english" so I asked if he wants to me call the police or if he is going to pick up his trash and never come through this area again. the word police gave him instant english understanding.

he turned around (which I was surprised he stopped and surprised he went back) and was picking up some of the trash and I started pointing out more trash he needed to pick up and he was complaining and saying things in spanish so I said screw it and called the sheriff.
While waiting, his daughter comes out and starts complaining that he didn't understand and she needs to go to class and blah blah blah. I tell her I don't give 2 shits since her dad broke the law and is dumping trash.

2 sheriffs show up and question the guy, all they can do is run his license plate and license. come to find out he is not here legally. while that is going on his son and wife show up in a Cadillac escalade.
I just laugh because then all of them got their plates and licenses checked except the mom because she wasn't driving a vehicle. the son was.

the shitty part is even though he wasn't here legally, they couldn't do anything about it other than alert immigration guys but couldn't detain him for that.

FUCK the illegals. every single one of them.

[roberth]

terrorist? than what about the U.S. trained gang know as los zetas

That's it, keep trying to change the subject.

You probably know, aid and abet illegal scum that is trying to steal whatever they can, including an 'education'.

Maybe instead of plundering this country you should return to your 3rd world shithole to try to make it better. But that would be work, can't be doing that when you can coast for free in this country.

[sniper7]

terrorist? than what about the U.S. trained gang know as los zetas

dude you haven't answered if you are here legally or not.

if you aren't I surely hope you are not in possession of a firearm.

maybe you are in los zetas. I have never heard of em.

you asked why were were in the middle east. last time I checked pretty much every airplane related terrorist act has been committed by muslim males between the ages of 18 and 40. yet we don't profile.

I can only assume from seeing on the news, reading the statistics and noticing the location of mexico that mexicans are the majority of illegal immigrants and should be our major target to keep out of the country and remove from the country.

I can also only assume you are hiding your background since you won't answer a simple question.

[porfiriozg]

talking to you is like talking to a politician, no results and only serves to piss me off.

yes I'm here legally you wanna check my papers

no i don't aid and abet illegals hell I'm the first to call I.C.E. only to have them check all my paper when they ask are you a citizen.

you as a citizen should fix your country before the politicians sell it all

the only difference between me and you is I'm a recent immigrant.

[Bailey Guns]

I seriously doubt anyone gives a rat's ass they've pissed you off. I don't.

'Bout time you answered the question.

The remainder of your post is the typical bullshit I've come to expect from you. At least you're consistent.

[sniper7]

talking to you is like talking to a politician, no results and only serves to piss me off.

yes I'm here legally you wanna check my papers

no i don't aid and abet illegals hell I'm the first to call I.C.E. only to have them check all my paper when they ask are you a citizen.

you as a citizen should fix your country before the politicians sell it all

the only difference between me and you is I'm a recent immigrant.


sure, lets see the papers. it took you long enough to produce an answer it felt like we were searching for obamas birth certificate for a while...

you just waiting for the right time to attack? sounds like a great political move to me.

and believe me, there are a lot more differences than our backgrounds.

[DeusExMachina]

I seriously doubt anyone gives a rat's ass they've pissed you off. I don't.

'Bout time you answered the question.

The remainder of your post is the typical bullshit I've come to expect from you. At least you're consistent.

Its kind of amazing to me you actually run a business. I have never, ever seen someone attempt to represent their business in such a poor manner. For awhile there I thought you just called yourself Bailey Guns for fun.

[Bailey Guns]

From now on I'll run all my opinions by you for your approval.

FYI: I sold the very successful business about 3 years ago. Just kept the name.

[DeusExMachina]

It's far too late for a PR person.

[Bailey Guns]

Well.....

I'm good with that.

You may feel the need to sugar coat things. I don't.

[DeusExMachina]

Well.....

I'm good with that.

You may feel the need to sugar coat things. I don't.

Most smart business owners find not alienating current and potential customers helps their business.

[sniper7]

Most smart business owners find not alienating current and potential customers helps their business.


dude...read the thread the guy worked his way answering the question from at least 2 people when asked multiple times with sketchy answers.

If that happened in a place of business, especially a gun business there would be a big red flag saying "do not sell to this guy"

he waits and waits for a time to attack (my comment), then doesn't think it through and does not come up with a response.

the guy is a damn troll just going after little tidbits and not the entire story...then creates a new thread whining about something that was never said. sounds like some NAACP or nclr type crap. you get one side of the story and they only answer the questions that make them seem like the victim.