View Full Version : New to me Woods rig (G20)
hurley842002
04-18-2011, 20:40
After coming to terms with the fact that I will never be able to shoot Wheel guns as well as I shoot semi autos (specifically Glocks), I decided I needed to get back into 10mm via G20, for rompin around in the hills. I bought a used but good condition G20 from a member here a couple weeks ago, and finally got to take it out this weekend. Now my last go around with the 10mm wasn't nearly as pleasant (G29), because I didn't reload, and ammo was very cost prohibitive, and that was for weak factory stuff. This time around is another story, i've got all the components to reload, along with a stainless steel guide rod w/22lb spring, and an after market Lone Wolf barrel.
I rolled some 180gr Cast bullets, over 9.5grains of Long Shot, for my first trip out, and all I can say is WOW. Very impressed to say the least, the loads were Hot, yet still controllable, and quite accurate. I'm still looking to find some Gold Dots somewhere, so I can work up some loads with those. For the Woods, I picked up some Double Tap, 230 grain WFNGC. Now all I need is a Chronograph, so I can see how fast my loads are moving. Once funds allow, I will likely head to Bowers for some night sights and light stippling. Picks bellow.
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While not a Glock fan myself, I can understand why you would like the light weight and high capacity of a 10mm Glock.
Using cannonball bullets and belchfire gun powder the 10mm is in a class by itself. Enjoy your new gun!
Nice gun! Now send it over to The Internet and have him work some of his magic on it [Tooth]
I always wanted a Glock in 10mm. Unfortunately, the large frame Glocks don't fit my hand very well. Lucky for me I get along with revolvers pretty well. Nice piece.
hurley842002
04-22-2011, 08:15
I always wanted a Glock in 10mm. Unfortunately, the large frame Glocks don't fit my hand very well. Lucky for me I get along with revolvers pretty well. Nice piece.
Yeah, the large frame Glocks are certainly not for everyone. To be honest, I wasn't quite sure how well it would fit my hands, and actually thought I may end up getting a grip reduction at some point. After shooting it a bit, I realized it fit me Just fine (and I don't have particularly large hands).
I realize i'd be much better suited carrying a 44 or even a 41 mag in the hills, but I just don't shoot the wheel guns quite as well as the semi's, and as we all know, shot placement is paramount.
68Charger
04-22-2011, 09:13
I really like what you've done with it...
what's funny, is the 20 or 21 are the only Glock frames that really fit me well... the standard frames just don't feel right to me. It's not just a size thing, I've got a Kel-Tec P11 & a P40 that fit just fine (without my pinky, tho)
I may wind up with a 20 or 21 at some time again... glad it's what you were looking for, tho.
hurley842002
04-22-2011, 10:05
I really like what you've done with it...
what's funny, is the 20 or 21 are the only Glock frames that really fit me well... the standard frames just don't feel right to me. It's not just a size thing, I've got a Kel-Tec P11 & a P40 that fit just fine (without my pinky, tho)
I may wind up with a 20 or 21 at some time again... glad it's what you were looking for, tho.
Thanks man! I wasn't sure on the grip, when I first sought out to buy one, but it really didn't matter, I was either going to just get used to it, or have a reduction done. I may still have some light stippling done, and possibly do something fun color wise with it (likely dark earth). I'm not huge on stainless barrels, but I got a good deal on it used, so i'm happy. That recoil spring is awesome, and definitely lightens up the recoil, and keeps the brass reasonably close to where i'm shooting.
I've only loaded up a few rounds for this, and it's already proving to be a REALLY fun pistol, You can just feel the power behind it. Now if only I can find some gold dot bullets to load for it, I will be really happy.
I just put some anti skid on my 20. It is a little large for my hand and this seems to made it feel secure in my hand. This stuff is about $13 a roll at Home Depot. I have the $10 Talon grips on 2 of my other Glocks. This is a little rougher, it might be to much if your hands are soft. [ROFL1] I put some on my Ruger LCP and my Kel Tec P11 too. http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/4gunfun/glock%2020/DSC01481.jpg http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/4gunfun/glock%2020/DSC01480.jpg http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn114/4gunfun/glock%2020/DSC01479.jpg
hurley842002
04-24-2011, 17:41
That actually looks quite nice! May have to look into it.
That stuff's hell on your shirts and side - just FYI.
hurley842002
04-24-2011, 18:22
That stuff's hell on your shirts and side - just FYI.
Yeah, I can imagine it would tear up a t-shirt fairly quickly. I don't plan on wearing it IWB, so it should sit far enough away to prevent that. Still weighing my options on altering texture of the grip, hell I may end up leaving it stock.
AirbornePathogen
04-25-2011, 22:12
Very nice. I'm not a Glock guy personally, but I have fond memories of the time I fired a G20. One my few gripes with SIG is that they've never released a 10mm pistol, not in the US anyway. I'll just have to stick to my 229 in 10mm short, aka .40 cal.
alan0269
05-07-2011, 20:24
Congrats on the G20! I'm thinking about finding a way to pick one up myself - I just need to figure out if I want to try and trade for one or save up some funds to purchase one. What weight Gold Dots are you looking for?
hurley842002
05-07-2011, 21:30
Congrats on the G20! I'm thinking about finding a way to pick one up myself - I just need to figure out if I want to try and trade for one or save up some funds to purchase one. What weight Gold Dots are you looking for?
Yeah, it's a sweet rig for sure. Swung by Bowers for something for the AR, and wound up having Rob throw some Ameriglos on it while I was there. Very nice sights for sure. Went to shoot it afterwards, and realized I forgot my after market barrel and spring. Roughly 10 rounds into shooting my hot reloads with the factory barrel, I had to stop. The lack of chamber support was just ruining my brass.
I was actually looking for 165gr, but found some on Gunbroker not too long ago. Then last week, a fellow member here sold me some 155's for a heck of a deal. I wouldn't mind running into some 180gr gold dots tho.
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kilovictor
05-12-2011, 00:26
Good thing you didn't get too serious about modding that frame, now that your OD Green one is here soon :) Nice writeup... I've heard the Corbon RNPN 200 gr Hunter rounds are top-notch for taking down big game. That and Buffalo Bore... Someday maybe I'll be a re-loader as well...
hurley842002
05-12-2011, 08:47
Good thing you didn't get too serious about modding that frame, now that your OD Green one is here soon :) Nice writeup... I've heard the Corbon RNPN 200 gr Hunter rounds are top-notch for taking down big game. That and Buffalo Bore... Someday maybe I'll be a re-loader as well...
Yeah, i've never been fond of altering firearms, to the point of no return, in case I want to sell them later. I had NO intention to sell my G20, unless it was for an OD model, which I didn't think would happen. So I was planning on keeping it forever, and altering it to my likes. Well, fortunately I didn't alter it, because your OD came along.
Reading all this 10 mm stuff has me rethinking my next purchase. I was looking at a S&W 629 for a camping/field gun but now hmmm... G20 sf. Some of the loads being talked about here are intriguing.
I noticed the comment about unsupported chamber killing brass. I have a G23 from about 2000 and have been saving all the brass. I noticed some deformation at the end of the brass. Is that what you are referring to? Won't resizing fix that? I'm new to reloading and haven't' done the .40 yet. Would I need an aftermarket barrel to reload for 10mm? Hope this isn't too much of a hijack.
hurley842002
05-12-2011, 22:19
Reading all this 10 mm stuff has me rethinking my next purchase. I was looking at a S&W 629 for a camping/field gun but now hmmm... G20 sf. Some of the loads being talked about here are intriguing.
I noticed the comment about unsupported chamber killing brass. I have a G23 from about 2000 and have been saving all the brass. I noticed some deformation at the end of the brass. Is that what you are referring to? Won't resizing fix that? I'm new to reloading and haven't' done the .40 yet. Would I need an aftermarket barrel to reload for 10mm? Hope this isn't too much of a hijack.
Not a hijack at all. Slight deformation at the head of the case is fine, resizing will typically take care of that just fine. What I was referring to, was towards the base of the case. The lack of chamber support on the stock barrel, is so pronounced that when you fire full power loads thru it, not only to you get extreme case bulging, but some times it's so bad, that the chamber actually causes what appear to be "smilies" towards the bottom of the case. I have one that has a major smiley on it, I will try to find it tomorrow and post a pic.
hurley842002
05-14-2011, 11:39
Ok, as promised, the picture of the "smiley case". Not the best pic in the world, but best I could do with the phone.
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I see now, thanks for posting. So for full power it is either toss the brass or aftermarket barrel. Looking at dies it seems like the same dies will work for .40 SW as for 10 mm., so that would save me some money if I go the the 10 mm route.
hurley842002
05-14-2011, 13:31
I see now, thanks for posting. So for full power it is either toss the brass or aftermarket barrel. Looking at dies it seems like the same dies will work for .40 SW as for 10 mm., so that would save me some money if I go the the 10 mm route.
Yeah, you basically must have a fully supported chamber, in order to run full power loads. With that said, unless you are made of money, reloading is the ONLY way to go for 10mm, so tossing the brass isn't really an option. IMO unless you run full power 10mm loads, you may as well just forget 10mm and go with 40s&w.
I have pretty much convinced myself this may be the choice for me. I have spent many hours reading up on the 10mm and different loads. It certainly isn't a .44 mag but for my needs this may be the best option. If I get one I'll post up.
hurley842002
05-14-2011, 18:01
I have pretty much convinced myself this may be the choice for me. I have spent many hours reading up on the 10mm and different loads. It certainly isn't a .44 mag but for my needs this may be the best option. If I get one I'll post up.
Good choice man [Beer]
You are absolutely correct in mentioning the 10mm not being a .44 mag. Many would argue, that you should not head into the woods with anything less than a 44 mag. However, like I said in the original post, I shoot semi autos significantly better than revolvers, and just like two legged threats, shot placement is key. Outside of a Desert Eagle 50 cal, the 10mm is pretty much at the top in the Semi Auto group, which is why I have chosen it as my woods rig. On a side note, if I lived in AK or further North. I would likely have to invest some time and money in a 44 or larger revolver, and use that. Here in Colorado, we just don't have the larger species that other places do.
hurley842002
05-14-2011, 18:12
Also, stay tuned for pics of the NEW G20.
68Charger
05-14-2011, 20:21
Good choice man [Beer]
You are absolutely correct in mentioning the 10mm not being a .44 mag. Many would argue, that you should not head into the woods with anything less than a 44 mag. However, like I said in the original post, I shoot semi autos significantly better than revolvers, and just like two legged threats, shot placement is key. Outside of a Desert Eagle 50 cal, the 10mm is pretty much at the top in the Semi Auto group, which is why I have chosen it as my woods rig. On a side note, if I lived in AK or further North. I would likely have to invest some time and money in a 44 or larger revolver, and use that. Here in Colorado, we just don't have the larger species that other places do.
Hurley is spot on with all the advice on 10mm... the only other one besides 50AE mentioned above would be .460 Rowland... also a reloader's round.. it's just like .45ACP, but the case is longer... Overall Length is the same, so it fits 1911 frames... only works in 1911's with a Comp, otherwise the slide velocity will pound the frame.
.460 Rowland is also no .44Mag, tho... it's in the same realm as 10mm... only reason to me to prefer 10mm or .460 is to match bullets with your preferred caliber- if you carry .40S&W, then 10mm is a good match- if you prefer .45ACP or the .460Rowland is a good match.
hurley842002
05-14-2011, 20:57
Hurley is spot on with all the advice on 10mm... the only other one besides 50AE mentioned above would be .460 Rowland... also a reloader's round.. it's just like .45ACP, but the case is longer... Overall Length is the same, so it fits 1911 frames... only works in 1911's with a Comp, otherwise the slide velocity will pound the frame.
.460 Rowland is also no .44Mag, tho... it's in the same realm as 10mm... only reason to me to prefer 10mm or .460 is to match bullets with your preferred caliber- if you carry .40S&W, then 10mm is a good match- if you prefer .45ACP or the .460Rowland is a good match.
Good post, I had spaced the .460 Rowland (a beast) as well as the .45 Super. Either of those really come down to which bullet size you prefer to work with.
SA Friday
05-14-2011, 22:01
.460 Rowland... only works in 1911's with a Comp, otherwise the slide velocity will pound the frame.
How does a comp slow the slide down?
I thought you can get a Desert Eagle in 44 mag.
68Charger
05-15-2011, 07:50
How does a comp slow the slide down?
3 ways:
1) some gas pressure is vented to the side/top before it is vented out the barrel (acting like a little rocket, the gases venting from the barrel pushes it and the slide backwards with more force)
2) if the comp is designed to vent gases backwards, then it slows the slide down as gases are vented in that direction.
3) more weight, requiring more energy to attain the same velocity (limited value, since there's more energy required to stop the barrel as well)
hurley842002
05-15-2011, 12:11
I thought you can get a Desert Eagle in 44 mag.
Yeah, you can. If you roll your own ammo, or buy from some of the boutique companies (buffalo bore etc.), the .44 would likely be a better backwoods performer than the .50AE. I've never owned a Desert Eagle, and am not sure how finicky they are with different types of ammo. One thing is for sure, I wouldn't want to lug around a Desert Eagle in the backwoods, and i'm not sure a DE would be as reliable as a Glock.
SA Friday
05-15-2011, 12:30
3 ways:
1) some gas pressure is vented to the side/top before it is vented out the barrel (acting like a little rocket, the gases venting from the barrel pushes it and the slide backwards with more force)
2) if the comp is designed to vent gases backwards, then it slows the slide down as gases are vented in that direction.
3) more weight, requiring more energy to attain the same velocity (limited value, since there's more energy required to stop the barrel as well)
The comp on these guns are connected to the barrel, not the slide. Although the gas flow onto the baffles in the comp may slightly delay unlocking of the barrel from the slide, the gas flow after the bullet leaves the end of the comp is adequate to break the lockup and then remaining energy in the cartridge determines the slide velocity to the rear. This is just like any other 1911/2011 firearm. If anything, I've seen compensated firearms have a higher possibility of cracking slides from the conflicting forces developed from the gas flow through the comp. I've seen more open guns crack slides than any other type of firearm. Conversely, pistols of the same caliber and make that are not compensated have a tendency to hold up much longer.
460 Rowland does not have to be compensated to operate or maintain structural integrity. These pistols have to be custom made, need to be made with the power of the caliber in mind, but don't need to be comped. the few I've seen made were made on STI 2011 frames and slides, and none of them have been comped.
If anything, comped guns slides move faster, and with more energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk576o8a6Fk&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I took the plunge, I ordered one and a bunch of reloading components. It will likely be a few weeks before I can play though.
hurley842002
05-17-2011, 20:28
I took the plunge, I ordered one and a bunch of reloading components. It will likely be a few weeks before I can play though.
That is awesome man! You will not regret it.[Beer]
68Charger
05-18-2011, 06:36
If anything, comped guns slides move faster, and with more energy.
and why would a comp make the slide go FASTER?
everything else being equal, a comp will slow the slide- yes it's attached the the barrel, but they're locked together by the locking lugs (until unlocking occurs, which is after the slide has all it's velocity already)
I don't recall where I read that it >required< a comp- but if built without one, I'll stand by the statement that it will subject the frame to more "battering" to stop the slide velocities.
ETA: found it:
Q: Will you chamber my non-compensated barrel in 460 Rowland? OR sell a barrel only (No Compensator) in 460 Rowland? A: No, the compensator is necessary to prevent damage to your 1911 pistol.
from the following source: http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm
if you'd like to continue the discussion further, I'd suggest another thread, as this is no longer about Glock 20s, a "woods gun", or even 10mm...
alan0269
05-20-2011, 16:27
Hey, wait a minute! That looks a lot like my "new to me woods rig", other than the aftermarket barrel. Hmm, I think something fishy is going on here! [ROFL2]
I'm hoping to get out and shoot it this weekend. Still waiting for the pics of the OD one though.
hurley842002
05-21-2011, 20:33
Hey, wait a minute! That looks a lot like my "new to me woods rig", other than the aftermarket barrel. Hmm, I think something fishy is going on here! [ROFL2]
I'm hoping to get out and shoot it this weekend. Still waiting for the pics of the OD one though.
[ROFL1]
Yeah it does look a lot like yours lol.
I do need to get some pics of the OD 20. Unfortunately my photographer (ex) is no longer in the pic, so they probably won't be the best pics.
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