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PHOENIX -- Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed a bill that would have required President Barack Obama and other presidential candidates to prove their U.S. citizenship before their names could appear on the state's ballot.
The bill would have made Arizona the first state to pass such a requirement. Opponents had warned the bill would give another black eye to Arizona after last year's controversy over the state's illegal immigration enforcement law.
Brewer said in her veto letter that she was troubled that the bill empowered Arizona's secretary of state to judge the qualifications of all candidates when they file to run for office.
"I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions," said Brewer, who was secretary of state until she became governor in 2009.
Susan Walsh, AP
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said, "I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions."
"In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth to submit their 'early baptismal circumcision certificates' among other records to the Arizona secretary of state," she said. "This is a bridge too far."
The certificates were among the documents a candidate could have submitted under the bill in place of a birth certificate.
So-called "birthers" claim there's no proof Obama was born in the United States, and he is therefore ineligible to be president. But Hawaii officials have certified Obama was born in that state.
The U.S. Constitution requires that presidential candidates be "natural-born" U.S. citizens, be at least 35 years old, and be a resident of the United States for at least 14 years. Opponents questioned whether Arizona's bill would have added additional requirements.
The measure would have required that political parties and presidential candidates hand in affidavits stating a candidate's citizenship and age. It also would have required the candidate's birth certificate and a sworn statement saying where the candidate has lived for 14 years.
If candidates didn't have a copy of their birth certificates, they could meet the requirement by providing baptismal or circumcision certificates, hospital birth records and other documents.
If it couldn't be determined whether candidates who provided documents in place of their birth certificates were eligible to appear on the ballot, the secretary of state would have been able to set up a committee to help determine whether the requirements were met. The names of candidates could be kept off the ballot if the secretary of state didn't believe the candidates met the citizenship requirement.
The bill didn't explicitly provide an appeals process for a candidate whose name was kept off the ballot.
The bill's sponsor, Republican Rep. Carl Seel of Phoenix, declined immediate comment on Monday's veto. But he previously said that the president's birth record wouldn't satisfy the requirements of his proposal and that Obama would have to provide other records, such as baptismal certificates and hospital records.
The measure, however, wasn't intended as a swipe against the president -- it was meant to maintain the integrity of elections, Seel said.
Weird that this happened.
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 00:04
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer said, "I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions."
Yeah, lets not call into question the laws of this nation and we sure as shit wouldnt want to embarrass anyone by making them prov that they are eligible under lawe to attain the office for which they are running!
Fuck we would also have to oust current politicians that are harboring known criminals!
After reading her viewpoint I kind of agree with her. While I think proof should be given one of it was in excess and it needs to be at the federal level before they can even try to run.
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 00:12
After reading her viewpoint I kind of agree with her. While I think proof should be given one of it was in excess and it needs to be at the federal level before they can even try to run.
I Completely agree.
Lets sit and wait for the Federal Government to fix it!
[Stooge]
mcantar18c
04-19-2011, 00:49
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why the fawk do we have to pass legislation about things that our Constitution already makes pretty damn clear?
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 00:59
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why the fawk do we have to pass legislation about things that our Constitution already makes pretty damn clear?
because no one is paying attention at the Federal Level
Much Like the "immigration reform" that the Feds are suing AZ over that basically reiterates the Federal Law.
Somebody got to her. Made her an offer she couldn't refuse.
Somebody got to her. Made her an offer she couldn't refuse.
Or as I was thinking of last night someone told her it would be political and possibly real life suicide. I wonder the same thing about the birth certificate issue in hawaii.
Yeah, lets not call into question the laws of this nation and we sure as shit wouldnt want to embarrass anyone by making them prov that they are eligible under lawe to attain the office for which they are running!
Fuck we would also have to oust current politicians that are harboring known criminals!
Most of the politicians are criminals themselves. How many if obamas elected were tax evaders? I remember at least 3!
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 06:06
Most of the politicians are criminals themselves. How many if obamas elected were tax evaders? I remember at least 3!
and I felt guilty using the combat zone extensions...
rockhound
04-19-2011, 08:51
so set up a sate senatorial committee to oversee the candidate's application
seems like a simple solution
Somebody got to her. Made her an offer she couldn't refuse.
+1!!! She also vetoed allowing guns on campus.
This issue has GOT to go away. It's conspiracy level BS, and if GOP candidates try to keep it as an issue, they are destroying their chances of winning in 2012.
None of the moderates, either in the GOP or independent voters, think this is a real issue, and going on about it is a huge turn off.
There are so many real issues to take Obama to task about, that going on about this issue is political suicide.
Our political process, of in-party primaries forcing candidates to appeal to their base (and some 40% or more of likely republican voters consider this an issue!) followed by their need to move back to the center for the general election is going to be really tricky for the Repubs to navigate around this. I'd be watching for GOP candidates who dismiss this as an issue to be the only ones to make it out of the primaries.
H.
Polotical aspirations, BO is already suing AZ so this can help patch things up.
This issue has GOT to go away. It's conspiracy level BS, and if GOP candidates try to keep it as an issue, they are destroying their chances of winning in 2012.
None of the moderates, either in the GOP or independent voters, think this is a real issue, and going on about it is a huge turn off.
There are so many real issues to take Obama to task about, that going on about this issue is political suicide.
Our political process, of in-party primaries forcing candidates to appeal to their base (and some 40% or more of likely republican voters consider this an issue!) followed by their need to move back to the center for the general election is going to be really tricky for the Repubs to navigate around this. I'd be watching for GOP candidates who dismiss this as an issue to be the only ones to make it out of the primaries.
H.
But it is an issue. There is still no concrete proof of a Birth Certificate, in addition to the fact his medical, high school, and college records are sealed from all eyes . How can this not be an issue? Where talking the President of the United States here, not some applicant for some entry level job at the local dump.
Anymore I see no difference between the donkeys and elephants, I don't know what the answer is, but not bringing to light something that is an obvious eyebrow raiser can't be right either. Just saying...
[Beer]
BPTactical
04-19-2011, 10:44
But it is an issue. There is still no concrete proof of a Birth Certificate, in addition to the fact his medical, high school, and college records are sealed from all eyes . How can this not be an issue? Where talking the President of the United States here, not some applicant for some entry level job at the local dump.
[Beer]
This.
While I am intrigued at the "birther" story I am more concerned about every trace of this mans life being sequestered. We do not know who he is, where his loyalties lie nor what is in his past.
Who paid for his education and under what pretense?
What is being accomplished by withholding elementary school records?
Why is a Connecticut SSN being used when there is no evidence of his nor parents being in Connecticut ever?
We as citizens of this country have every right to know the background of our elected officials, especially the POTUS.
Something is purposely being withheld from the public, over 2 million dollars to a law firm to keep everything under wraps.
I would like to know why...................
Bailey Guns
04-19-2011, 10:50
I gotta agree with Hoosier on this. The birth certificate thing is a waste of time and resources.
Serious candidates will take Obama's policies apart by appealing to how they've (his policies) have affected quality of life. Plenty of ammunition there.
They just can't play nice while doing it. McCain tried that last time and look where it got him.
Scanker19
04-19-2011, 10:54
So what do you have to show to run? Obama aside, if I wanted to run what would I have to show to prove that I am eligible?
Me thinks Alexander Hamilton wants a redo.
This.
While I am intrigued at the "birther" story I am more concerned about every trace of this mans life being sequestered. We do not know who he is, where his loyalties lie nor what is in his past.
Who paid for his education and under what pretense?
What is being accomplished by withholding elementary school records?
Why is a Connecticut SSN being used when there is no evidence of his nor parents being in Connecticut ever?
We as citizens of this country have every right to know the background of our elected officials, especially the POTUS.
Something is purposely being withheld from the public, over 2 million dollars to a law firm to keep everything under wraps.
I would like to know why...................
Thank you... Dont forget odd affiliations with Bill Ayres and Rev Jeremiah Wright. I assume your questions would also be considered trival by most of the population and media. I however would love some answers, as I think the guy is full of it and hiding something big. My comment above was just trying to stay on topic.
Bailey Guns
04-19-2011, 11:17
Yeah...or we could focus on the non-issue stuff like:
$14 Trillion debt
Runaway gas prices
Border security (or lack of)
2 wars...almost 3
erosion of our constitutional rights
unemployment
failing economy
etc...You know...the stuff no one really cares about.
DeusExMachina
04-19-2011, 11:20
Well shit, Bailey and I agree.
Ah hell, that pisses me off to.....................[Coffee]
Yeah...or we could focus on the non-issue stuff like:
$14 Trillion debt
Runaway gas prices
Border security (or lack of)
2 wars...almost 3
erosion of our constitutional rights
unemployment
failing economy
etc...You know...the stuff no one really cares about.
just minor issues![ROFL1]
ChunkyMonkey
04-19-2011, 11:57
Well shit, Bailey and I agree.
and I thought you believe in open border, no?
DeusExMachina
04-19-2011, 12:10
and I thought you believe in open border, no?
There you go again, putting words in my mouth.
tonantius
04-19-2011, 12:15
The Electors are selected by each state according to the Constitution. Each state ahs the right to determine how they are selected. When I was 18 I remember my home state actually had you vote for the individual electors. However, the state assumed that the candidate was eligible to serve in office. If he is not eligible then he should be removed. There was a case in North Dakota where a governor was elected and found later to be ineligible to serve. The North Dakota Chief Justice removed him by court order.
Bailey Guns
04-19-2011, 14:48
Well shit, Bailey and I agree.
Well, hell. There goes my reputation...
[Beer]
Whew!!! If this demonic birther bill's veto, gets overridden, it will bring Arizona's states right's too an alltime kook-level high.
HBARleatherneck
04-19-2011, 15:27
go Away!!!
All I have to say to President Obama, is: SUE THE BASTARDS!!!
DeusExMachina
04-19-2011, 15:59
I am offended someone compared me to ERNO.
This issue has GOT to go away. It's conspiracy level BS, and if GOP candidates try to keep it as an issue, they are destroying their chances of winning in 2012.
no it doesn't.
americans can talk about anything they bloody well please. and like I said, if bush had to put up with stolen election, fake national guard service and past alcoholism crap both of his terms then barry can deal with this.
Teddy R said
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public
used to hear libs and leftys quote this alllllll the time while bush was around. nowadays, not so much.
What hospital was 'dear leader' born in?
Neither Kapiolani or Queens will claim the sonofabitch.
Personally I think he was born at Toot's home in Hawaii for what his mother had done. There isn't any proof though.
One the fake certs floating around says his race is 'African'. African isn't a race, my cert doesn't say 'North American'.
The bastard was born in the late 50s or early 60s, I'd almost bet the real cert says Caucasian or Negro.
americans can talk about anything they bloody well please. and like I said, if bush had to put up with stolen election, fake national guard service and past alcoholism crap both of his terms then barry can deal with this.
You're misconstruing what I meant. I'm not suggesting that this speech should be banned. I'm saying that if the GOP keeps talking about it, they're going to destroy their chances of getting Obama out in 2012. It's a fringe issue that the majority of voters (particularly independents/moderates) consider a non-issue.
There's a legal standard on what's required to prove citizenship, and it was satisfied. Case closed. If you want to see another outcome, then lobby the state of Hawaii to change it's laws for the verification of citizenship.
Until then, these conspiracy theories are scuttling the republicans chance at a win in 2012.
H.
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