View Full Version : what is your point of view
porfiriozg
04-18-2011, 22:27
in regards to immigrants both legal and non I've been having an exchange with another member and no matter what i say can't convince him that not all Mexicans are drains on society. sadly most of the ones you hear of are born in this country.
before you ask I'm hear legally and I'm even joining the navy as a medic.
Bailey Guns
04-18-2011, 22:31
If you're referring to me:
Show me where I mentioned Mexicans. Anywhere. I'll wait.
But if a Mexican is in this country illegally, they are without a doubt, a drain and a cancer on our society. However, that also goes for anyone else, from any other country who might be here illegally.
Bailey Guns
04-18-2011, 22:34
I adamantly disagree with you on this topic. But, as a veteran, I do appreciate and admire you for joining the Navy and serving this country. Thank you for that.
DeusExMachina
04-18-2011, 22:38
Calling all Mexicans drains on society is racist. Plain and simple.
Bailey Guns
04-18-2011, 22:43
Calling all Mexicans drains on society is racist. Plain and simple.
So, I'll ask you. Who said that?
porfiriozg
04-18-2011, 22:46
Calling all Mexicans drains on society is racist. Plain and simple.
not all but admittedly some if not half
I am amused you started a whole new thread.
and he is referring to me BG.
please quote me where I said all or half or any number of mexicans are drains on society.
here are my quotes that pertain to your statement:
FUCK the illegals. every single one of them.
I can only assume from seeing on the news, reading the statistics and noticing the location of mexico that mexicans are the majority of illegal immigrants and should be our major target to keep out of the country and remove from the country.
Maybe I missed something somewhere but nowhere do i say anything about all mexicans being drains on society. ALL ILLEGALS are drains on our society...and yes, that includes mexicans but is not all encompassing because there are illegals from I would imagine every country out there but I have no statistics to prove that.
It is Katrina. not Catrina. Those people received a ton of help. they were also warned to get the hell out of there and were provided a way out. airlines brought a ton of extra flights in to get people out, busses taking people out, shelters set up, etc etc etc.
they got a ton of help, then they got a ton of money tossed their way. free housing, donations, food, laundry, clothes etc etc.
all of it was a good thing, but complaints still happened. a lot of those people didn't even help themselves, try to help themselves or want to help themselves. just looking for handouts and for the man to give them what they deserve after a NATURAL disaster. the .gov didn't create it.
I still fly into there on occasion and just LOVE to see the blue tarps still up on some peoples homes. yet they received money to fix their roof...somehow their vehicle got some sweet rims instead.
Legal immigration is what made this country great.
Illegal immigration is one of the major factors working to destroy it.
I judge people based upon their behavior. Using stereotypes can be a slippery slope, but it is just too easy for some individuals to make a blanket statement based upon race or ethnicity so that is what they do. It is easier than thinking.
A lot of things are being blamed on the Mexicans which they have very little to do with. They are a convenient scapegoat.
I judge people based upon their behavior. Using stereotypes can be a slippery slope, but it is just too easy for some individuals to make a blanket statement based upon race or ethnicity so that is what they do. It is easier than thinking.
A lot of things are being blamed on the Mexicans which they have very little to do with. They are a convenient scapegoat.
Probably just as easy as it is to say people are racist or really that only whites are the racists. Using the racism card is also a convenient scapegoat. Taught at a young age too.
Legal immigration is what made this country great.
I will slightly disagree here. What made this country great was the fact that people became Americans when they arrived here. In the early 1900's (when my Great Grandma came over), each family (or individual) kept their heritage and customs but considered themselves American.
Today's immigrants want to be Mexican-American, African-American, etc. etc. They want the benefit of being in the US, without becoming Americans. This leads to separation on everything.
When my Great Grandma came to the States she called herself an American, learned English (and spoke it primarily) and held onto her traditions. The most important part is the she BECAME AN AMERICAN.
Illegal immigration is one of the major factors working to destroy it.
Without a doubt I agree. This encompasses all illegal immigrants though, not just south.
I think we should adopt an immigration policy like Canada. You can only come here if you serve in a profession that we need, and there isn't an American to fill the void.
I guess my views are
if you are hear leagally and working hard great job!
speak the language! Not broken but fluently
dont get butt hurt about our American pride
and don't flaunt your flag or views over ours. You came to this country for a reasonif you want to fly your flag so bad go back.
Respect this country and keep it clean.
My biggest issue is people coming over and then saying well your ways make me insecure or feel threatened
this does not go for Mexicans only. Hell I rather them over other because they will work their asses off
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 00:16
Not broken but fluently
The only part I disagree with.
I give an "A" for effort.
Broken "engrish" is better than crying racist because we expect you to speak English in the US and then saying "No Hablo"
Yeah I mean I respect you trying not you but the ones who do. Some is better than none
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 00:26
I do hate how illegals get better schooling and in some cases benifits. Polititions try to hard to make others feel welcome they forget about the citizen's
OH, the IRONY!!!
[ROFL1]
in regards to immigrants both legal and non I've been having an exchange with another member and no matter what i say can't convince him that not all Mexicans are drains on society. sadly most of the ones you hear of are born in this country.
before you ask I'm hear legally and I'm even joining the navy as a medic.
Here is what you need to understand. The middle class is being destroyed in this country. There is a war being waged against the working class people of America. We are confused, angry and concerned about the future.
Immigrants are only a part of it, but the illegal immigration coming out of Mexico is the most visible and the most damaging.
Cheap Labor in China and the rest of the developing world. NAFTA, Domestic labor Unions, Libtarded policies both foreign and domestic. Massive Government spending leading to currency devaluation-inflation.
All of it adds up to Millions of Americans who feel very threatened. There is a very good chance that our children will be the first generation that will have a lower standard of living than the one before it.
Millions of Immigrants flocking here WILL drive down wages. It is simple supply and demand.
From a macro economics viewpoint, it is easy to understand: The wealth of America is higher than the rest of the world. With free trade and open immigration, that wealth will tend to spread out around the globe.
Most immigrants are hard workers. They are the ones who picked themselves up and had the ambition to leave everything behind and follow a dream. It's no small thing, and It's what made America great for the past 250 years.
HOWEVER, Socialist programs are destroying that formula. The animosity you sense is real, but it is directed more towards our own Government. If we had the Constitutional Government that we are supposed to, immigrants would not represent the parasitic drain that they do today.
FWIW, We would rather have massive unchecked immigration from Mexico, than Islamic extremist regions. ;-) Hope this helps.
colocowboy01
04-19-2011, 05:31
in regards to immigrants both legal and non I've been having an exchange with another member and no matter what i say can't convince him that not all Mexicans are drains on society. sadly most of the ones you hear of are born in this country.
before you ask I'm hear legally and I'm even joining the navy as a medic.
I have worked on farms and ranches that have used migrant workers. I now work for a concrete company that has a lot of Mexicans working there. We beat the US government on 18 counts of undocumented workers. All the guys that where arrested by ICE (spits on ground) were legal and we got most of them back. The stupid government made a mistake and so 18 families got ripped apart for a couple of months.
All of the first generation Mexicans I have ever worked with (legal or illegal) have been hard working and very decent people.
Sometimes I don't get how someone's standing in law changes just because they crossed a line drawn on a piece of paper by some people we have never seen or met.
mcantar18c
04-19-2011, 06:09
All of the first generation Mexicans I have ever worked with (legal or illegal) have been hard working and very decent people.
Sometimes I don't get how someone's standing in law changes just because they crossed a line drawn on a piece of paper by some people we have never seen or met.
Good, hardworking people that live in this country legally contribute to our economy.
Good, hardworking people that live in this country illegally drain our economy.
What's not to get?
Here, maybe this helps....
You have 2 families..."Joe Legal" and "Joe Illegal". Both families have 2 parents, 2 children and live in the same state.
"Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number, and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes deducted.
"Joe Illegal" also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash under the table.
Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours $1000.00 per week, $52,000 per year. Now take 30% away for state federal tax Joe Legal now has $31,231.00
Joe Illegal...$15.00 per hour x 40 hours $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year Joe Illegal pays no taxes... Joe Illegal now has $31,200.00
Joe Legal pays Medical and Dental Insurance with limited coverage $1000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year Joe Legal now has $19,231.00
Joe Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0..00 per year. Joe Illegal still has $31,200.00
Joe Legal makes too much money is not eligible for Food Stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays for food $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $ 7,231.00
Joe Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare. Joe Illegal still has $31,200.00
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,000.00 per month $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal is now in the hole minus (-) $4,769..00
Joe Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy
Joe Illegal pays rent $500.00 per month $6,000.00 per year
Joe Illegal still has $25,200.00
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Joe Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal's and Joe Illegal's children both attend the same school.
Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Joe Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch..
Joe Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.
Joe Legal and Joe Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire Services, but Joe paid for them and Joe did not pay.
Joe Legal pays for everything he uses, and then some. That money is circulated back into the system and helps stimulate our economy.
There is no official record that Joe Illegal exists... no SSN, no name on a payroll, etc.... and thus there is no way to tax him, and so his income DOES NOT get circulated back into the system. So Joe Illegal gets to enjoy all the benefits Joe Legal has to pay for, plus all of the gov't handouts, at no cost to him and without doing anything to contribute to our country.
Clear things up a bit?
If you cross the Iranian border illegally, you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Saudi border illegally, you are jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally, you may never be heard from again.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally, you are thrown in political prison.
If you cross the U.S. border illegally, you get...
a job,
welfare,
food stamps,
credit cards,
subsidized rent, or a loan to buy a house,
free education,
free health care,
a lobbyist in Washington
billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language,
and the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't get enough respect in OUR country.
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 06:15
I have worked on farms and ranches that have used migrant workers. I now work for a concrete company that has a lot of Mexicans working there. We beat the US government on 18 counts of undocumented workers. All the guys that where arrested by ICE (spits on ground) were legal and we got most of them back. The stupid government made a mistake and so 18 families got ripped apart for a couple of months.
All of the first generation Mexicans I have ever worked with (legal or illegal) have been hard working and very decent people.
Sometimes I don't get how someone's standing in law changes just because they crossed a line drawn on a piece of paper by some people we have never seen or met.
Because every week my wife processes THOUSANDS of dollars during her shift going to Mexico via western union.
A Person claiming not to speak English will cash their check for ~800 Dollars and send half of it to Mexico and then the SAME PERSON Cashes their Food-stamps/Wic for their groceries.
I Spent Thousands of Dollars to get my wife into this country. LEGALLY, We are not eligible for any social assistance, regardless of our condition for 3 years.
They come over and sponge the liberals milk right away and I get the Milk Bill.
It's all about twisting perceptions and gaining favor with the masses, and unfortunately the Hispanic vote is the only one that seems to matter anymore. Which I Have to say confuses me, How in the hell do you get to vote without having your citizenship verified?
I Guess what I am saying is lets worry about the AMERICAN vote instead of the Whatever-American vote
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 06:38
RHjxeiD35Bg
as sad as it is funny
So here's the opinion of a legal alien/lawful permanent resident.
Illegals no matter how hard working are a drain on the economy! Period!
We know where they are so round them up and ship them South or the border. Note I said South of the border and not Mexico as I don’t want to called racistJ
If you want it badly enough do it the legal way! I did! Hell I even try to buy US made items e.g. my Colt 6920J
Bailey Guns
04-19-2011, 07:44
I have worked on farms and ranches that have used migrant workers. I now work for a concrete company that has a lot of Mexicans working there. We beat the US government on 18 counts of undocumented workers. All the guys that where arrested by ICE (spits on ground) were legal and we got most of them back. The stupid government made a mistake and so 18 families got ripped apart for a couple of months.
All of the first generation Mexicans I have ever worked with (legal or illegal) have been hard working and very decent people.
Sometimes I don't get how someone's standing in law changes just because they crossed a line drawn on a piece of paper by some people we have never seen or met.
I was in agreement with you right up to that last sentence. Then you simply spiraled out of the realm of common sense. If you don't understand that then you can't possibly understand many things about:
the US Constitution
our system of federal laws
our system of state laws and autonomy
US historyWOW! I always thought that whole attitude of international borders being "just some line drawn on a piece of paper" was a leftist talking point.
Do you REALLY think that's what this is about?
HBARleatherneck
04-19-2011, 07:49
close the borders. close the programs that tend to draw illegals here. end the 14th ammendment.
because as we know MOST illegals come from south of our border. bitch all you want, its true.
but, the chinese, koreans etc have vacation packages for pregnant women to come here an pop out kids that will be Americans. This was just on the news last week or so. A hospital in Cali that was set up for Asians, that came here to have American children. This has to stop. For all people. Black, Brown, Yellow, Red, and White. who cares? you are either here legally, or you are not. no other way about it. legally...good. illegally...bad.
get it through your heads, its not about race or nationality. its about legal versus not legal.
plus mexican isnt a race. they are caucasian like most Americans. so its not racism. Maybe nationalism.
and if a man wants to come here to America and be a citizen, he should be required to serve in some capacity. Why, should they get something for nothing? I was in the Corps with several Mexicans who were transitioning to becoming Americans. They were earning the right. not getting it for free. That is commendable.
and Im not sorry, if I offended it anyone. I am offended what people are doing to the country I love.
i cant say what others think about the whole thing . but being a second generation Italian i cant say that immigration is wrong , it is wrong to come over here illegally . hell my people filled out the paperwork just like everyone else so why cant Mexicans ? If you come over the border illegally you should be treated as a spy . are all mexicans a drain on society NO just the illegals and that goes for every race and nationality. If you undermined our economy by taking our jobs and not paying taxes that should be considered treason .
i would like to believe that the fine folks on this fourm are not racists just patriots who are concerned about the health and welfare of our country .
rockhound
04-19-2011, 08:35
[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang]
OH CAN YOU FEEL MY PAIN
OH CAN YOU FEEL MY PAIN
um no ..[Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang][Bang] oh wait i do now . [ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1][ROFL1]
Scanker19
04-19-2011, 09:49
That, and those fuckers are the reason my brown ass can't wear a hoodie in a small shop.
I hope them the best, come to our country, enjoy our way of life, but pay your dues, learn english, and stop flying your country's flag. If its so great why did you leave?
My grandma doesn't speak english and its the most annoying thing in the world. but she's legal, and has been so since she came here +50 years ago.
Dirt Diver
04-19-2011, 10:01
If you cross the Iranian border illegally, you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Saudi border illegally, you are jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally, you may never be heard from again.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally, you are thrown in political prison.
If you cross the U.S. border illegally, you get...
a job,
welfare,
food stamps,
credit cards,
subsidized rent, or a loan to buy a house,
free education,
free health care,
a lobbyist in Washington
billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language,
and the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't get enough respect in OUR country.
^This.
DeusExMachina
04-19-2011, 10:11
That, and those fuckers are the reason my brown ass can't wear a hoodie in a small shop.
I hope them the best, come to our country, enjoy our way of life, but pay your dues, learn english, and stop flying your country's flag. If its so great why did you leave?
My grandma doesn't speak english and its the most annoying thing in the world. but she's legal, and has been so since she came here +50 years ago.
White or brown, if you walk around with a hood up and its not extremely cold or raining, you're shady.
Scanker19
04-19-2011, 10:17
White or brown, if you walk around with a hood up and its not extremely cold or raining, you're shady.
What if I am celebrating winning a Unibomber look-a-like contest?
I love hoodies but rarely wear the hood, that's what the ski mask is for.
Seriously though, I never wear the hood but hate being followed in store like i'm going to steal some shit.
"Joe Illegal" also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash under the table.
Actually, more often than not they'll use a bogus SSN, which frequently turns out to belong to someone several states away, and that individual gets in trouble for not reporting the wages they earned at construction while simultaneously working as a school teacher, nurse, or waitress 3,000 miles away. Try explaining this to the IRS. They don't care.
My biggest problem with illegals, aside from SSN misuse, is that many make no effort to learn our language and drive around Denver with no DL, a paper tag taped to their back window, and a high BAC. Ever try to read the numbers on a paper tag taped inside a window of a weaving car? Can't be done.
DeusExMachina
04-19-2011, 10:21
What if I am celebrating winning a Unibomber look-a-like contest?
I love hoodies but rarely wear the hood, that's what the ski mask is for.
Seriously though, I never wear the hood but hate being followed in store like i'm going to steal some shit.
Well if you've got the hoodie on, hood down, that's bullshit. I hate people walking around with the hood up, and I hate people driving their car like that even more.
Seamonkey
04-19-2011, 10:35
in regards to immigrants both legal and non I've been having an exchange with another member and no matter what i say can't convince him that not all Mexicans are drains on society. sadly most of the ones you hear of are born in this country.
before you ask I'm hear legally and I'm even joining the navy as a medic.
my apologies i did not mean you, i understand that that every one has an opinion, i expressed mine and i was wrong
what i don't under stand is why after all the help the U.S. gave where was the help for Catrina, and other natural disasters.
(i know that last one was off topic just trying and failing at changing the tone of this thread)
porfiriozg, you started this thread claiming that a member of this board states that all Mexicans are a drain on society. DeusExMachina points out that: "Calling all Mexicans drains on society is racist. Plain and simple." I agree with Deus on this point and I don't believe the site admin's would allow hate/racist speech on this site. The poster would be banned and the thread removed. You reply:
not all but admittedly some if not half
Several pages into this thread and I haven't seen a link to the post where such a claim was made. so.... what are YOU saying here? Deus says it would be racist to call all Mexicans a drain yet you reply that "some if not half"? So are you the one who's saying that you believe "some if not half" of Mexicans are a drain on society? I'm not clear on your point of view here especially after you started this thread stating that someone else made that claim yet have yet to provide evidence of that claim.
I'm not trying to twist your words but trying to understand you position and the claims YOU are trying to make.
I also noticed under the thread about CO now offering in-state tuition to illegals that you make a statement about how that's why we are in the middle east followed by a comment on los zetas... and in this thread you go from saying someone's a racist to Katrina..... so.... uh... I don't understand how you are tying in illegal in-state tuition with the war in the middle east and los zetas or how in this thread you go from claiming another member a racist to Katrina.
People are posting their responses to that thread, you inject the middle east and los zetas but don't answer their questions yet state "talking to you is like talking to a politician, no results and only serves to piss me off." You ignore questions and try to change the subject... sounds to me like you're the politician. Then in this thread it's the same thing. Start by accusing someone of being a racist then try to change to Katrina.
Can you please explain your position a little better? Do you have proof that another member on this site made this racist claim or are you just trolling?
Actually, more often than not they'll use a bogus SSN, which frequently turns out to belong to someone several states away, and that individual gets in trouble for not reporting the wages they earned at construction while simultaneously working as a school teacher, nurse, or waitress 3,000 miles away. Try explaining this to the IRS. They don't care.
My biggest problem with illegals, aside from SSN misuse, is that many make no effort to learn our language and drive around Denver with no DL, a paper tag taped to their back window, and a high BAC. Ever try to read the numbers on a paper tag taped inside a window of a weaving car? Can't be done.
unregistered population brings a lot of problems
say a city has a registered population of 500 , so the money for schools , waste management , road repair , police , firefighters ,ect is only allotted for 500 per department. Add another 250 unregistered people now every registered person is shorted in every department . quality of basic life goes down , less work , worse schools , higher crime , more energy usage and list goes on .
Its just a sad state of affairs when foreigners are granted the same if not better rights than us . If we screw up we go to jail , if they screw up they get a free ride home just to come back and do it again .
Bailey Guns
04-19-2011, 10:41
Well if you've got the hoodie on, hood down, that's bullshit. I hate people walking around with the hood up, and I hate people driving their car like that even more.
And I'm the one with the PR problem? [ROFL2]
Illegal is illegal, period.
So here's the opinion of a legal alien/lawful permanent resident.
Illegals no matter how hard working are a drain on the economy! Period!
We know where they are so round them up and ship them South or the border. Note I said South of the border and not Mexico as I don’t want to called racistJ
If you want it badly enough do it the legal way! I did! Hell I even try to buy US made items e.g. my Colt 6920J
Good for you! Same with Bytes wife.
I have flown with several guys some different countries (spain, ireland, italy, canada, and vietnam) who have all come across the border legally. They feel pretty much the same way I do and think the illegals are a drain and it is bullshit they get the easy way out from politicians.
I think almost everyone here agrees that immigration is great, as long as it is done legally.
White or brown, if you walk around with a hood up and its not extremely cold or raining, you're shady.
poor choice of words!!![ROFL1]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJO5HU_7_1w
there is only 1 real shady!
Actually, more often than not they'll use a bogus SSN, which frequently turns out to belong to someone several states away, and that individual gets in trouble for not reporting the wages they earned at construction while simultaneously working as a school teacher, nurse, or waitress 3,000 miles away. Try explaining this to the IRS. They don't care.
My biggest problem with illegals, aside from SSN misuse, is that many make no effort to learn our language and drive around Denver with no DL, a paper tag taped to their back window, and a high BAC. Ever try to read the numbers on a paper tag taped inside a window of a weaving car? Can't be done.
or better yet they steal dead peoples SSN and claim social security with them.
unregistered population brings a lot of problems
say a city has a registered population of 500 , so the money for schools , waste management , road repair , police , firefighters ,ect is only allotted for 500 per department. Add another 250 unregistered people now every registered person is shorted in every department . quality of basic life goes down , less work , worse schools , higher crime , more energy usage and list goes on .
Its just a sad state of affairs when foreigners are granted the same if not better rights than us . If we screw up we go to jail , if they screw up they get a free ride home just to come back and do it again .
I need to dig up the article. I posted it last year some time during ballot time about some Props to vote on.
about $1 billion cost to the state due to illegals. more than half of that directly affects education through lost revenue, hiring more teachers for ESL, bus transportation, free and reduced lunch and other programs WE pay for. over $500,000,000 cost.... and the state I believe was at 300 million shortfall. I see one relatively simple way to fix it.
I need to dig up the article. I posted it last year some time during ballot time about some Props to vote on.
about $1 billion cost to the state due to illegals. more than half of that directly affects education through lost revenue, hiring more teachers for ESL, bus transportation, free and reduced lunch and other programs WE pay for. over $500,000,000 cost.... and the state I believe was at 300 million shortfall. I see one relatively simple way to fix it.
id like to read it for sure
ChunkyMonkey
04-19-2011, 11:35
I need to dig up the article. I posted it last year some time during ballot time about some Props to vote on.
about $1 billion cost to the state due to illegals. more than half of that directly affects education through lost revenue, hiring more teachers for ESL, bus transportation, free and reduced lunch and other programs WE pay for. over $500,000,000 cost.... and the state I believe was at 300 million shortfall. I see one relatively simple way to fix it.
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.articlesbase.com/immigration-articles/cost-of-illegal-immigration-in-colorado-681673.html
http://www.westernyouth.org/articles/colorado-could-turn-budget-deficit-into-surplus-if-illegal-aliens-deported/
The minimum cost of $1.1 billion per year to the Colorado budget due to illegal aliens is double the current Colorado budget deficit of $560.7 million. If illegal aliens left the state of Colorado, this $560.7 budget deficit would turn into a surplus of about the same amount. One suspects that the percentage of Coloradans in favor of enacting an Arizona-style law would be even higher, if these figures were widely known.
bellavite1
04-19-2011, 11:36
I believe my position on illegal immigration has been discussed at lenght already, therefore I am not going to dwell beyond ILLEGAL is ILLEGAL.
As far as the racist claims go, if a specic ethnic group comes up constantly on the news for committing crimes, if I constantly see members of this group using food stamps while wearing their leather Broncos jackets, gold jewelery and talking on their expensive cellphones and then I see the same persons buying sigarettes and booze, if my car gets hit by a driver with NO insurance and guess what, he belongs to the same ethnic group, if all the bad experiences I had in this country as far as back stabbing, stealing, trying to get away with shit etc. have been connected to members of that ethnic group, well, yes, I will tend to generalize and watch my ass when dealing with anybody belonging to that ethnic group.
You know who you are, I do not need to call names and gety my ass banned.
If that makes me a racist, so be it.
I am not afraid of words.
Prove me wrong by cleaning your own damn house and I will happily change my mind.
I want to believe in you, but you are not helping...
Rant over.
ChunkyMonkey
04-19-2011, 11:38
I have flown with several guys some different countries (spain, ireland, italy, canada, and vietnam) who have all come across the border legally. They feel pretty much the same way I do and think the illegals are a drain and it is bullshit they get the easy way out from politicians.
I think almost everyone here agrees that immigration is great, as long as it is done legally.
+1.. I can speak for many many of the legal immigrant groups. Most legal immigrants who support illegals have either obtained their legal status after they entered the country illegally or legally w/ false intention to stay permanently, or have no clue on the general subject until being confronted on specific subject in which they usually get upset on how the illegals got away with so many things while the legal ones pay so dearly.
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.articlesbase.com/immigration-articles/cost-of-illegal-immigration-in-colorado-681673.html
http://www.westernyouth.org/articles/colorado-could-turn-budget-deficit-into-surplus-if-illegal-aliens-deported/
thank you good sir! I am too busy spending money ordering stuff online![Bang]
ChunkyMonkey
04-19-2011, 11:59
thank you good sir! I am too busy spending money ordering stuff online![Bang]
Oh, did you buy 4 year supplies of food that most likely you would never touched either?
CMP_5.56
04-19-2011, 11:59
I'm no racist, but stereotypes become stereotypes for a reason. I have lived in the peoples republic of Illinois, and the illegal problem there is all eastern block European. Here in colorado we see more Mexican illegals. Either way someone here illegally is here illegally. Skin color and stereotypes aside, breaking the law is breaking the law.
One thing I can't stand is people who further prolong the negative stereotypes of their people through their negative actions and choices.
Oh, did you buy 4 year supplies of food that most likely you would never touched either?
having to update from my 2008 scare purchases. but I figure since next year will be the end of the world this should be my last supply purchase!
porfiriozg
04-19-2011, 17:05
People are posting their responses to that thread, you inject the middle east and los zetas but don't answer their questions yet state "talking to you is like talking to a politician, no results and only serves to piss me off." You ignore questions and try to change the subject... sounds to me like you're the politician. Then in this thread it's the same thing. Start by accusing someone of being a racist then try to change to Katrina.
Can you please explain your position a little better? Do you have proof that another member on this site made this racist claim or are you just trolling?
my position on immigration as long as they go through the proper channels it's OK
the rest is my fault, sleep deprivation and a key board, my mind went from thinking a-b-c-d, to a-e-g-h and i took it as an attack agent myself.
as far as los zetas i recently found out what was happening to my former home. my grandfather is still there and i still worry about him.
i can't explain the Katrina ref.
my own stupidity was the cause of all this, if only i had slept on it. this would have never happened.
and i never called anyone a racists
Byte Stryke
04-19-2011, 17:11
[Pop]
...
colocowboy01
04-19-2011, 17:47
I was in agreement with you right up to that last sentence. Then you simply spiraled out of the realm of common sense. If you don't understand that then you can't possibly understand many things about:
the US Constitution
our system of federal laws
our system of state laws and autonomy
US historyWOW! I always thought that whole attitude of international borders being "just some line drawn on a piece of paper" was a leftist talking point.
Do you REALLY think that's what this is about?
Please tell me, what is it that I can't possibly understand about the:
the US Constitution
our system of federal laws
our system of state laws and autonomy
US historyAnd, who is it that is going to determine what I can and can't possibly understand? Do I need to check in with you if I think anything from now on?
I have read the Constitution many times and have studied US history for most of my time in school, I am going to college now for a History Major focusing on the War of 1861-1864, my time off is spent reading and studying history, primarily US history.
What is the sole purpose of the US Constitution, and what rights are granted to you by the Constitution?
Call me a leftist if you want to, I just have not bought into the brainwashing most people have about the left/right paradigm being offered in our education and media systems.
bellavite1
04-19-2011, 17:53
my position on immigration as long as they go through the proper channels it's OK
the rest is my fault, sleep deprivation and a key board, my mind went from thinking a-b-c-d, to a-e-g-h and i took it as an attack agent myself.
as far as los zetas i recently found out what was happening to my former home. my grandfather is still there and i still worry about him.
i can't explain the Katrina ref.
my own stupidity was the cause of all this, if only i had slept on it. this would have never happened.
and i never called anyone a racists
OH SNAP!
And I was just starting to get excited![Coffee]
colocowboy01
04-19-2011, 17:58
mcantar18c, we should start working to abolish the Un-Constitutional government programs such as Medi-Care, food stamps, and the welfare system that does not fall under the general welfare in the Constitution*. That way we would not have to pay as many taxes (which would benefit the economy) and there would not be a monetary drain on the system, since there would be no system to drain.
* The general welfare is the welfare of all the citizens equally, or have access to equally, ie. roads, parks, etc.
tmjohnson
04-19-2011, 18:05
Ask any nurse in an emergency room their opinion on illegals?
Or better yet ask a first grade teacher how tough their jobs are because 80% of their class can't speak english
You will get an ear full about illegals
Ask any nurse in an emergency room their opinion on illegals?
Or better yet ask a first grade teacher how tough their jobs are because 80% of their class can't speak english
You will get an ear full about illegals
I see it first hand when I substitute teach.
Jumpstart
04-19-2011, 18:21
Calling all Mexicans drains on society is racist. Plain and simple.
If defending ones country, people, identity, soviergnty, culture, resources and ethnic heritage against the illegal invasion from Mexico, Latin american and South America is considered racist, why yes, yes I am.
Bailey Guns
04-19-2011, 18:27
Please tell me, what is it that I can't possibly understand about the:
the US Constitution
our system of federal laws
our system of state laws and autonomy
US historyAnd, who is it that is going to determine what I can and can't possibly understand? Do I need to check in with you if I think anything from now on?
I have read the Constitution many times and have studied US history for most of my time in school, I am going to college now for a History Major focusing on the War of 1861-1864, my time off is spent reading and studying history, primarily US history.
What is the sole purpose of the US Constitution, and what rights are granted to you by the Constitution?
Call me a leftist if you want to, I just have not bought into the brainwashing most people have about the left/right paradigm being offered in our education and media systems.
If this is your field of study then I shouldn't have to explain it to you.
The US Constitution was originally designed to outline a framework for the operation of the 3 branches of government.
The Bill of Rights basically places restrictions on the government. Our rights are endowed to us by our Creator...not the Constitution. The Constitution protects our rights and places limits on government. It was written to ensure the blessings of liberty...not grant the right to liberty...that came from the Creator.
Furthermore, the United States is a nation of laws. Including our immigration laws. National and state boundaries are set by various means and are in place to enforce and secure the sovereignty of our country and states.
So, I'll stick to my assertion that if you don't understand why "imaginary lines" are placed on maps "by people we've never seen" then you don't understand a lot about how our government works and our history.
bellavite1
04-19-2011, 18:27
If defending ones country, people, identity, soviergnty, culture, resources and ethnic heritage against the illegal invasion from Mexico, Latin american and South America is considered racist, why yes, yes I am.
THANK GOD!
I was starting to think I was the only one![Beer]
clublights
04-19-2011, 18:40
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IS NOT A FREAKIN RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is "Murder" a race?
Is "Rapist" a race?
Is "Burglar" a race?
If someone equates Illegal Immigrant with a race .. well they are the ones making the bigoted racist opinion into a stereotype.
and yes I feel better now..
/rant off
colocowboy01
04-19-2011, 18:42
If this is your field of study then I shouldn't have to explain it to you.
The US Constitution was originally designed to outline a framework for the operation of the 3 branches of government.
The Bill of Rights basically places restrictions on the government. Our rights are endowed to us by our Creator...not the Constitution. The Constitution protects our rights and places limits on government. It was written to ensure the blessings of liberty...not grant the right to liberty...that came from the Creator.
Furthermore, the United States is a nation of laws. Including our immigration laws. National and state boundaries are set by various means and are in place to enforce and secure the sovereignty of our country and states.
So, I'll stick to my assertion that if you don't understand why "imaginary lines" are placed on maps "by people we've never seen" then you don't understand a lot about how our government works and our history.
You don't have to explain it to me. I am impressed. You are one of the very few that I have talked to that understands that rights are God given and not given by a piece of paper. I am writing a paper for my English class about this very fact. Almost all of the other student in the class hate it, and don't understand it.
You can stick to your assertion, but I do understand how our government works and our history, I just don't agree with a lot of how the government works. Just because I do not agree with something does not mean that I do not understand it.
tmjohnson
04-19-2011, 18:45
Club lights
I like the way you put it
and agree 100%
Bailey Guns
04-19-2011, 18:47
I don't agree with a lot of things the government does, either.
My only real beef with what you wrote earlier is the line about "imaginary lines" on a map. It's an important concept and it's central to our history and sovereignty as a nation.
The Bill of Rights basically places restrictions on the government. Our rights are endowed to us by our Creator...not the Constitution. The Constitution protects our rights and places limits on government. It was written to ensure the blessings of liberty...not grant the right to liberty...that came from the Creator.
This debate is called Unenumerated Rights, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unenumerated_rights#In_the_United_States
I totally agree, we have the right to do anything except which is explicitly forbidden. I'd argue that the only things that should be explicitly forbidden are things that hurt other people against their will.
H.
colocowboy01
04-19-2011, 19:05
This debate is called Unenumerated Rights, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unenumerated_rights#In_the_United_States
I totally agree, we have the right to do anything except which is explicitly forbidden. I'd argue that the only things that should be explicitly forbidden are things that hurt other people against their will.
H.
I do agree with you Hoosier. Hey are you from Indiana? I lived in Evansville, IN for a couple of years.
I do agree with you Hoosier. Hey are you from Indiana? I lived in Evansville, IN for a couple of years.
Haha, Evansville, I didnt think anyone else knew where that was. My brother went to USI-Evansville
colocowboy01
04-19-2011, 19:30
Haha, Evansville, I didnt think anyone else knew where that was. My brother went to USI-Evansville
USI-Evansville is a cool campus.
I do agree with you Hoosier. Hey are you from Indiana? I lived in Evansville, IN for a couple of years.
Yup, from Indianapolis. I went through Evansville a few times, but never spent much time there.
H.
I don't like anyone...but I do have to say that if you are here without being a legal citizen or holding a CURRENT visa than LEAVE!!!!
Yup, from Indianapolis. I went through Evansville a few times, but never spent much time there.
H.
My home office is in Indianapolis, on the west end of Monument circle
Troublco
04-19-2011, 20:47
I agree with a lot of what's been said, so I'll keep my comments simple.
Illegal is illegal, period. Everyone who is here legally and pays their taxes should be able to expect that their money is going to the common good, not to subsidize a group of people who are, with their government's active aid, breaking our laws and making a mockery of our system of government. I don't think illegal immigrants from anywhere should be entitled to a damn thing but a swift kick in the butt and a little assistance in being turned around. Do it right, or don't do it.
I don't have a problem with using military service to attain citizenship, in fact I think it's commendable. A great example of doing it the right way.
rockhound
04-20-2011, 16:19
este es no su tierra
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.3 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.