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Very sad story (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/04/20/libya.journalists/index.html).
RIP Tim Hetherington & Chris Hondros
A poster I have:
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Dirt Diver
04-21-2011, 09:27
:(
If any of you haven't seen Restrepo, you should.
RIP
Have watched it a couple times.
RIP
Hmmm...possibly get killed in a war zone???? Was he sick the day they taught common sense in Jounalism school? Perhaps some soldiers don't like being misrepresented. Reporters have never done anything to contribute to the success of a war by inserting themselves into it and need to stay the hell out of it. It is sad that this POS gets more attention than the 8 AMERICANS that gave their lives that day! Where's the thread on that? Good riddance...
Hmmm...possibly get killed in a war zone???? Was he sick the day they taught common sense in Jounalism school? Perhaps some soldiers don't like being misrepresented. Reporters have never done anything to contribute to the success of a war by inserting themselves into it and need to stay the hell out of it. It is sad that this POS gets more attention than the 8 AMERICANS that gave their lives that day! Where's the thread on that? Good riddance...
I was waiting for this thread, and then waiting for the first journalist bashing post. Four posts in, congratulations coloccw.
"Reporters have never done anything to contribute to the success of a war"... Pretty sure that is Not Their Job. They should be there to report the truth of the matter, not the BS we get fed by the governments involved.
H.
UberTong
04-21-2011, 10:01
RIP for sure, what a great film and the world will miss film makers such as Tim. We need more like him, God knows the rest of the media in this country.
2ndChildhood
04-21-2011, 10:08
Strongly agree.
They (Reporters) should be there to report the truth of the matter, not the BS we get fed by the governments involved.
H.
Lex_Luthor
04-21-2011, 10:08
I've been trying to watch it, but haven't been able to rent it yet. Is there anywhere to watch it online? I've seen the trailers, but that's about it. Is it at RedBox?
CrufflerSteve
04-21-2011, 10:09
Definitely RIP. War correspondents put themselves to harm's way to tell what they've seen. They generally aren't government employees so people might not like what they have to say. The best who go up front tend not to be overly ideological and are close to the troops. The political ones are sitting safely in comfort well in the rear writing left wing or right wing BS.
If you want to read about one of the good ones, check out Ernie Pyle.
Steve
Definitely RIP. War correspondents put themselves to harm's way to tell what they've seen. They generally aren't government employees so people might not like what they have to say. The best who go up front tend not to be overly ideological and are close to the troops. The political ones are sitting safely in comfort well in the rear writing left wing or right wing BS.
If you want to read about one of the good ones, check out Ernie Pyle.
Steve
IIRC Erie Pyle was unapologetic on "our" side. Most correspondents today are very much not on "our" side. The main reason journalist get into it is to tear down the US. They are at time justified but that shouldn't be their purpose.
Having lived through the Vietnam debacle and seen how the "press corp" spun every story and every picture to bend public opinion against our armed forces I have learned to simply not believe any of them.
Remember how our guys lost the Tet offensive? .. no wait we totally kicked but and destroyed the Viet-cong. Hmmmm.
Restrop was a hit piece.
Fixed it for you:
War correspondents put themselves to harm's way to tell what they've want. They generally aren't government employees so they don't listen to soldiers about things like OPSEC, getting out of line of fire, or turning their cell phones off. The ones who go up front tend to be overly ideological and are a burden to the troops. The best ones are sitting safely in comfort well in the rear writing left wing or right wing BS.
Reporters there are not doing it to tell the truth, please look past the BS they feed you. They are there to SELL THE STORY and ADVANCE THEIR CAREERS. They could care less about what is really going on. If they can find an angle to exploit, they will. Reporters put more soldier's lives at risk than anyone else. If you REALLY want to know the truth, send a letter to a service member over there. They will gladly tell you their perspective first-hand, all without putting someone's life at risk. (We're not speaking from experience or anything...)
They should be there to report the truth of the matter, not the BS we get fed by the governments involved.
H.
??? If the governments controlled the reports coming out of war zones, then why all the commotion surrounding Gen McChrystal & the article in Rolling Stone?
I've been trying to watch it, but haven't been able to rent it yet. Is there anywhere to watch it online? I've seen the trailers, but that's about it. Is it at RedBox?
if you have netflix instant it's on there. It's actually a pretty good movie.. doesn't portray soldiers in the negative in the least.
I think you guys are putting two different types of reporters into a single box. Independent war correspondents know they are in danger and go anyway to provide the story they see. Don't get these guys mixed up with assholes like Geraldo and embedded media corps.
I think you guys are putting two different types of reporters into a single box. Independent war correspondents know they are in danger and go anyway to provide the story they see. Don't get these guys mixed up with assholes like Geraldo and embedded media corps.
TOmato,TomATo....different title, same pile of shit, same objectives.
pretty cool to have a signed poster like that.
sadly I have not seen restrepo all the way thru, just bits and pieces. I'll fix that after finals.
I partially agree with coloccw, especially when we see yahoos like geraldo that can barely run from not even very close incoming, and brag about going heeled in a forward area.
but I also think it takes a lot of balls to go into the thick of it with just a camera, and the job they do is pretty important.
it's a shame he died, but I view it just like when dale earnhart died, it's a risk he took with the job.
don't have that much of feeling for the blonde that got raped in egypt. she should have known that was going to happen. I'm not saying it's her fault, but if you screw around with snakes you are gonna get bit sooner or later.
if you have netflix instant it's on there. It's actually a pretty good movie.. doesn't portray soldiers in the negative in the least.
I'm trying to watch it now. Is the filming really that blocky and shaky, or is my computer just having streaming problems? It's making the movie nearly impossible to watch...like these guys filmed it with a 20 dollar camera from Wal-Mart.
GEDIT: Nevermind I let it buffer a little and now it's good. Great stuff so far.
mcantar18c
04-23-2011, 13:23
Anybody know where those of us without a fancy Netflix thing can watch it online? Preferably for free...
SA Friday
04-23-2011, 14:01
Tha mass majority of journalists that were embeded with our troops during the intial invasion of Iraq were extremely compliant with opsec concerns. We only heard of the one or two that weren't and were removed from their units. I've spoken with mulitple people who worked with imbedded reporters who are still in touch with them years after the initial invasion. I also know that all of the reporters I have dealt with respected the fact that they couldn't report on my job, and stayed away from my unit's operations.
Journalists report based on their perspective of the truth. Just because it sometimes doesn't fall in line with yours or my perspective doesn't make it void. It makes it different. Many of you overlook the fact that embedded reporters were the primary reason so many accounts of war crimes by our troops were discounted as false allegations. In afghanistan alone, there literally hundreds of afghani's claiming their homes were erroneously bombed and their relatives killed. A few were legitimate, the the majority were old buildings bombed during the Russian invasion of that country and they were trying to play those sites against the US troops in the media. The reporters, specifically and indepentant reporter from LA that is considered an post blast expert, refuted the majority of the claims.
To compare the journalists from the Viet-nam war to OIF and Afghanistan simply doesn't hold water. The politics were different, the wars are different, the journalism was different.
Restrepo is an important documentary IMO. It's good neutral-perspective journalism, showing the good and bad from both sides. It's unfortunate to lose this journalist.
Restrop was a hit piece.
How so? It didn't seem that way to me at all.
mcantar18c
04-25-2011, 02:46
Just watched Restrepo... damn good film. I'd recommend it to anybody, especially those who've served.
colocowboy01
04-25-2011, 06:24
I was waiting for this thread, and then waiting for the first journalist bashing post. Four posts in, congratulations coloccw.
"Reporters have never done anything to contribute to the success of a war"... Pretty sure that is Not Their Job. They should be there to report the truth of the matter, not the BS we get fed by the governments involved.
H.
+1 for Hoosier
If this is the same one, its on National Geographic Channel tonight(4-25) at 1900 hours. I saw the commercial last night, and set it for auto tune.
TOmato,TomATo....different title, same pile of shit, same objectives.
Just like all cops are bad, right? Or all of any profession is bad because the few bad apples make the headlines, right? When you make generalizations on an entire group of people it doesn't make you look very intelligent. I'm not saying there aren't bad ones out there but to piss on the grave of a man you knew nothing about simply because of his profession is pretty ignorant & serves not to make him look bad but does a pretty good job of making yourself look bad.
Lex_Luthor
04-25-2011, 08:29
I rented Restrepo from RedBox. It was pretty good. My opinion is that they sometimes need to pick better people to do PR liason for the villagers in Afghanistan. There was a scene with the Captain talking through a translator about a person they were trying to find (or something similar) that had killed an American. He just flat out said "you're not understanding that I don't give a #%@$ about ....."
Just like all cops are bad, right? Or all of any profession is bad because the few bad apples make the headlines, right? When you make generalizations on an entire group of people it doesn't make you look very intelligent. I'm not saying there aren't bad ones out there but to piss on the grave of a man you knew nothing about simply because of his profession is pretty ignorant & serves not to make him look bad but does a pretty good job of making yourself look bad.
When reporters, people who contribute nothing to the effort and have no need to be there, jeapordize the lives of those who volunteered to give everything for what they believe in, we will piss on thier graves. Aside from the fact that reporters have almost gotten all of us killed over there, they needlessly use up valuable money, recources, and time desperately needed eslewhere, and have caused the death of several of our servicemen/women. Perhaps you remember planes full of relief supplies the day after the earthquake in Haiti being diverted for hours so reporters could fly in like they are kings, or did you miss that?
We know we are generalizing about reporters. Our "intelligence" comes from our experience around the world (not what we are fed on CNN/Fox/MSNBC/etc...) and our experience has yet to find a reporter that is worth the piss we would donate to his grave.
When reporters, people who contribute nothing to the effort and have no need to be there, jeapordize the lives of those who volunteered to give everything for what they believe in, we will piss on thier graves. Aside from the fact that reporters have almost gotten all of us killed over there, they needlessly use up valuable money, recources, and time desperately needed eslewhere, and have caused the death of several of our servicemen/women. Perhaps you remember planes full of relief supplies the day after the earthquake in Haiti being diverted for hours so reporters could fly in like they are kings, or did you miss that?
We know we are generalizing about reporters. Our "intelligence" comes from our experience around the world (not what we are fed on CNN/Fox/MSNBC/etc...) and our experience has yet to find a reporter that is worth the piss we would donate to his grave.
I liken your blind hatred to that of the idiots who protest military funerals. Neither one is doing anyone any good and both are about as rude as you can get. Get some class.
Rock on then, you have you opinion and we respect that. You can "liken" our opinion to whatever you want. We MUST be wrong since we don't agree with you, which appearently makes us deviod of class as well. Funny stuff.
Are you speaking for a group of people or do you have multiple personalities?
Are you speaking for a group of people or do you have multiple personalities?
Yeah I usually stay out of these types of discussions, but I have to ask this same question. You are throwing this "we" around alot, and from what I've seen its pretty much just YOU that is being completely disrespectful to the deceased.
coloccw, you are most definitely allowed to express your opinions, but in some cases your just better off being a little more discrete in vocalizing them. And please stop saying we like you are speaking for other folks on this forum.
When reporters, people who contribute nothing to the effort and have no need to be there, jeapordize the lives of those who volunteered to give everything for what they believe in, we will piss on thier graves. Aside from the fact that reporters have almost gotten all of us killed over there, they needlessly use up valuable money, recources, and time desperately needed eslewhere, and have caused the death of several of our servicemen/women. Perhaps you remember planes full of relief supplies the day after the earthquake in Haiti being diverted for hours so reporters could fly in like they are kings, or did you miss that?
We know we are generalizing about reporters. Our "intelligence" comes from our experience around the world (not what we are fed on CNN/Fox/MSNBC/etc...) and our experience has yet to find a reporter that is worth the piss we would donate to his grave.
You say they "contribute nothing", I assume you're thinking they are contributing nothing to the war. That's not their job. They are contributing something valuable, and that's getting an "independent" (cough, for some value of independent) view of what's going on. That may not seem to have any value to you, but to the people back home who are funding the war, it's important that they know what's going on. If what they see isn't what they want to see, then they can petition the government to change or stop what's being done. Again, if your view was that of a grunt with a mission to accomplish and blinders on to any other facet, then I'm sure a journalist is just a piece of shit getting in your way and trying to get your people killed. If you step back and take a larger view of the situation, you'll see there is value in what they're doing.
As for jeopardizing the lives of troops, in the case of this Journalist, that certainly wasn't the case, there are no (admitted) US combat troops in Libya. Journalists can do things like report on the horrors of war or the valiant behavior too...
https://chivethebrigade.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/random-b-07_28_10-16.jpg
H.
That may not seem to have any value to you, but to the people back home who are funding the war, it's important that they know what's going on.
These people have advisors with several stars on their shoulders...
If what they see isn't what they want to see, then they can petition the government to change or stop what's being done.
Who WANTS to see war? yet it is necessary sometimes....
Again, if your view was that of a grunt with a mission to accomplish and blinders on to any other facet, then I'm sure a journalist is just a piece of shit getting in your way and trying to get your people killed. If you step back and take a larger view of the situation, you'll see there is value in what they're doing.
Been on both sides of the fence, no change in perspective.
As for jeopardizing the lives of troops, in the case of this Journalist, that certainly wasn't the case, there are no (admitted) US combat troops in Libya.
They don't jeapordize US troops only...do you think the families of the rebels want their faces broadcast around the world so they can be hunted down and their families slaughtered?
Journalists can do things like report on the horrors of war or the valiant behavior too...
best done after the fact, not in real time...until the fight is over, get out of the way. Similar to "rubberneckers" in the highway passing by a car crash. We know it was an accident & people may have been injured/killed. No need to stop and look meanwhile holding up the ambulance stuck in the traffic behind you.
H.
Yeah I usually stay out of these types of discussions, but I have to ask this same question. You are throwing this "we" around alot, and from what I've seen its pretty much just YOU that is being completely disrespectful to the deceased.
coloccw, you are most definitely allowed to express your opinions, but in some cases your just better off being a little more discrete in vocalizing them. And please stop saying we like you are speaking for other folks on this forum.
Coloccw is a website, not just a screen name. see below... We've never spoke for, nor assumed the opinions of anyone else on this forum.
Rock on then, you have you opinion and we respect that. You can "liken" our opinion to whatever you want. We MUST be wrong since we don't agree with you, which appearently makes us deviod of class as well. Funny stuff.
Much like the people who protest military funerals I respect their RIGHT to say whatever they want.. that's what this country is founded one amongst other things... but the fact that they CHOOSE to do so at a funeral displays complete lack of class and tact. A human being lost their life. You can try to defend your comments all you want but regardless of what YOU think you are coming off rude, tactless and ignorant making them in this thread the way you did. You may find that funny but I find it pretty sad actually that you don't mind that your character comes off as such and even defend it when called out on it.
two shoes
04-25-2011, 11:11
Coloccw is a website, not just a screen name. see below... We've never spoke for, nor assumed the opinions of anyone else on this forum.
We as a collective?, a commune? Do the three or four of you huddle around the computer at once? Do you draws straws to see who gets to post or do you have a rotating "watch" to monitor this thread?
I know one of you and have seen you post under this screen name before... a little out of character to be this rude.
That may not seem to have any value to you, but to the people back home who are funding the war, it's important that they know what's going on.
These people have advisors with several stars on their shoulders...
So basically, we the people should just accept what the Generals with the stars on their shoulders say? The ones who are appointed by politicians?
I trust what I see on Youtube shot by actual troops on the ground more than I trust what comes out of the mouth of a political appointee. If all we trust is the word of the people waging the war, they will of course whitewash it to match their desired narrative.
H.
So, let us get this straight....It is considered rude here to consider the loss of someone who has put the lives of soldiers in jeaporady, less than noteworthy. Is is ignorant to base this off our own experiences from around the world, while in the military and as civilians, rather than just blindly accept what perspective is shown on the news? It is tactless to consider someone an idiot for running into a war zone to "report the truth," knowing the risks of his actions and then sympathise for him when he gets hurt/killed? Perhaps some of you should turn the mirror around and look at yourself.
Either way, our opinion has not changed....if you want to report from the rear and let a soldier tell his story and get 5 min of fame? Go ahead, it's good for morale. When the bullets are flying, get out of the way and let people do the job that is most important...ending the fight. Talk about it later. If our view offends you, get over it. If you think that what you saw on TV is what is really happening and the ENTIRE story...get out of your little bubble and wake up.
Go ahead with your flames and insults, we're done here.
So basically, we the people should just accept what the Generals with the stars on their shoulders say? The ones who are appointed by politicians?
You (and we) appoint the politicians. Perhaps we need to choose more wisely...
I trust what I see on Youtube shot by actual troops on the ground more than I trust what comes out of the mouth of a political appointee.
Only a 1 sided view. it takes 2 sides to have a story, 1 side is just an opinion.
If all we trust is the word of the people waging the war, they will of course whitewash it to match their desired narrative.
No argument there. Stories are modified when sent down for specific reasons (morale, OPSEC, timing, etc...). Want to know every little thing that happens?? It's war. Don't armchair quarterback the guys getting shot at (regardless of what war they are fighting).
H.
two shoes
04-25-2011, 16:28
Go ahead with your flames and insults, we're done here.
Promise?
SA Friday
04-25-2011, 17:03
Between the plural pronoun usage and the assumption that everyone else are just civilians, I've found much of this thread just bizzare.
two shoes
04-25-2011, 22:17
Between the plural pronoun usage and the assumption that everyone else are just civilians, I've found much of this thread just bizzare.
Ya, like Gollum off LoTR..... We hates the Baggins' forever!!!!
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