I hate cops!

[Elhuero]

when they do things like this

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/22/pennsylvania.man.wrongful.imprisonment/index.html?hpt=T2

When police released the wrong mug shot after an alleged sexual assault in 2008, a Philadelphia man was forced to pay for a crime he didn't commit. Now, the city will pay Eugene Robinson $85,000 for the snafu that left him behind bars and branded a sexual predator for more than a year when his photo was mistakenly printed in the "Week's Most Wanted" section of the Philadelphia Daily News for allegedly raping a woman at sword point.
Although Robinson, 60, originally demanded $150,000 for his wrongful arrest and imprisonment, he said Friday he's happy that the ordeal is over.
"It's not actually what I think should have been done, but it's all right," Robinson said of the March 30 settlement. "I'm not a greedy person. But it doesn't change the fact that I was falsely accused of something and nobody ever took the time out to check it out."
It all started in August 2008 when Robinson was on his way home from work as a plumber and his neighbors began telling him that the police were looking for him. When he saw his photo splashed across the newspaper alleging he was behind a rape at an address he didn't recognize, he turned to his sister and then to his local state senator for help.
"I broke down and started crying because I didn't know what to do," he said.
He turned himself in despite maintaining his innocence, assuming the confusion would be cleared up when police realized they had the wrong guy.
Instead, he was processed and shipped off to the Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility, he said. He could not make bail, which was set at $100,000.
"The picture matched - that's all they needed," said Robinson's lawyer, Alan Denenberg. "And off he went into the system."
It turns out that the man police were really after shared the same first name with Robinson and that the incorrect mug shot was pulled when police put out an arrest warrant for the alleged assault, according to Philadelphia Chief City Solicitor Craig Straw.
"We knew that the potential suspect's name was Eugene and the initial investigation showed up Eugene Robinson," Straw said.
The actual suspect signed a statement in February 2008 after the incident occurred, said Denenberg. It included his name, his West Philadelphia address, social security number and the fact that he was married, Denenberg said. Robinson lived in North Philadelphia and had never been married.
Straw would not release the suspect's name, but confirmed that his last name was not Robinson. He was later found to be a DNA match to the alleged assault, he said.
Despite the fact that the men had little in common besides their first names, police did not catch the discrepancy and drop the charges until Robinson had been in jail for about five months.
Robinson was brought to Philadelphia's Criminal Justice Center three times while he was incarcerated, but was never given the chance to confront the victim or explain his side of the story, he said.
"I didn't feel like I had a voice," Robinson said.
But after he was released, Robinson was transferred to a jail in Bucks County for eight months because he had defaulted on restitution payments on a previous arrest for theft by deception while he was incarcerated, Denenberg said.
Now that he is out, Robinson said he is working to restore his reputation.
"Everybody looked at me different," he said. "It's different when you're accused of a heinous crime like that."
Denenberg, who didn't start working for Robinson until after his release, said it should not have taken so long to clear Robinson's name.
"(The police) have a heavy case load but sometimes when you're dealing with people's lives, you've got to take the extra step and look beneath the surface," he said.

[Irving]

I hate cops!

I knew it!

[BREATHER]

Let's look at it one way. There are so many POS's out there that the cops are overworked and short staffed.

Another way is, why did this plumber have a mug shot in the first place ...

Then again, there are a bunch of lazy fuckin' cops out there that just collect a pay check regardless of citizens.....

How bout this. The politicians are doing something with my tax money besides hiring efficient cops and prosecutors.

And then this. There are tens' of thousands of lowlife scum that do not pay taxes cuz they got some lame SSDI or SSI and there isn't enough to cover what law abiding citizens can't cover becuase of shortfalls....

[BREATHER]

OH YEAH. Shitheads in jail don't pay taxes and when they get out they get on welfare or SSI or SSDI....They get the same services tax payers get but don't gotta pay for them.....

[Clint45]

Another way is, why did this plumber have a mug shot in the first place ...


"Theft by deception." That probably means some sort of fraud, and he was forced to make restitution.

HUGE difference between a minor white collar crime and breaking into some woman's house to threaten to kill her with a sword and rape her.

I'd bet that at least one of your coworkers or cousins has a mugshot as well, even if it is only for something like DUI or teenaged stupidity. Just because someone is in the system doesn't mean they can be used as a scapegoat to clear whatever high profile crime the local cops are under pressure to "solve." The guy may've been dishonest once but he was no rapist. What happened to him was inexcusable.

[BREATHER]

I agree 100% with everything you say Clint. I was trying to make a point that this could happen to anyone of us. The checks and balances seem to have fallen by the way side. Political and civil service corruption should be a crime equal to treason ...

[Bluerooster114]

Another way is, why did this plumber have a mug shot in the first place ...



I made an appointment, drove downtown, and gave them $152.50 for them to have mine...

[Byte Stryke]

Another way is, why did this plumber have a mug shot in the first place ...

I made an appointment, drove downtown, and gave them $152.50 for them to have mine...
I Drove to Brighton for mine.



"Theft by deception." That probably means some sort of fraud, and he was forced to make restitution.
Theft by deception is usually the fancy name for a bounced check.

But Yeah, No way is shit like this excusable.

[spencerhenry]

when i had several guns stolen many years back, the cops actually told me that they believed that i had broken my own window, taken my guns and sold them and now was trying to collect the insurance. one gun showed up at a gunsmiths shop to "have iron sights put back on it". that one i got back when it was proven to be mine. meanwhile i was trying to get the insurance company to pay me for the others so i could replace them. then one day i am at a friends house and see a guy across the street taking a gun out to his car that looked like mine. while 10-22's are pretty common, an amt small game hunter (10-22 made of stainless, factory bull barrel and synthetic stock), is not common. i called the cops (different jurisdiction) and no one ever showed up to check the gun. a few days later after i figured out who the guy was, the guns were "found" in the gravel where that guy was working as a laborer. they were getting ready to pour a slab over the top of the gravel and guns. he fled to ohio the next day or so and an arrest warrant was issued. the ohio cops found him under a bed at his moms house. until the guy was actually charged, the cops were "sure" that i had done it to collect insurance money.
when i applied for my concealed carry permit, i was told that the wait would be " a long time". i asked if the statute didnt say that they had 90 days to either issue or deny? they said yes, but they were really busy. at 92 days i called to find out where my permit was, they said the cbi was really backed up and they didnt know when it would be approved. at 100 days i called again and got the same answer. i then called a neighboring county and asked them how long the cbi was taking lately, they said about 3 weeks. at 120 days i called again and told them that i knew the cbi was NOT backed up that bad and asked why the neighboring county said is was only taking 3 weeks? they got pissed off at me and told me that they couldnt do anything about it. i was just about to call an attorney when at 123 days i got a call from the sheriffs department telling me that my permit was ready. turns out that my permit had been approved by the cbi months earlier and that someone at the sheriffs department didnt like the idea of me getting a permit and somehow got them to hold the permit indefinitely.
when i applied for my second can, the sheriff only signed one of the two copies of the form. by the time i noticed it, he was already out of the office. i left the form for him to sign when he got back, and then a deputy would deliver it to me. it took several weeks to get the form back, the sheriff had signed it that day, but one deputy who doesnt "like" me refused to give it to me. finally after i raised some stink, someone at the sheriffs department told the deputy that THEY were breaking the law by not giving me my paperwork.
if it werent for a couple of friends i have that are in law enforcement, i would have a much more cynical view of cops.

[bryjcom]

when i had several guns stolen many years back, the cops actually told me that they believed that i had broken my own window, taken my guns and sold them and now was trying to collect the insurance. one gun showed up at a gunsmiths shop to "have iron sights put back on it". that one i got back when it was proven to be mine. meanwhile i was trying to get the insurance company to pay me for the others so i could replace them. then one day i am at a friends house and see a guy across the street taking a gun out to his car that looked like mine. while 10-22's are pretty common, an amt small game hunter (10-22 made of stainless, factory bull barrel and synthetic stock), is not common. i called the cops (different jurisdiction) and no one ever showed up to check the gun. a few days later after i figured out who the guy was, the guns were "found" in the gravel where that guy was working as a laborer. they were getting ready to pour a slab over the top of the gravel and guns. he fled to ohio the next day or so and an arrest warrant was issued. the ohio cops found him under a bed at his moms house. until the guy was actually charged, the cops were "sure" that i had done it to collect insurance money.
when i applied for my concealed carry permit, i was told that the wait would be " a long time". i asked if the statute didnt say that they had 90 days to either issue or deny? they said yes, but they were really busy. at 92 days i called to find out where my permit was, they said the cbi was really backed up and they didnt know when it would be approved. at 100 days i called again and got the same answer. i then called a neighboring county and asked them how long the cbi was taking lately, they said about 3 weeks. at 120 days i called again and told them that i knew the cbi was NOT backed up that bad and asked why the neighboring county said is was only taking 3 weeks? they got pissed off at me and told me that they couldnt do anything about it. i was just about to call an attorney when at 123 days i got a call from the sheriffs department telling me that my permit was ready. turns out that my permit had been approved by the cbi months earlier and that someone at the sheriffs department didnt like the idea of me getting a permit and somehow got them to hold the permit indefinitely.
when i applied for my second can, the sheriff only signed one of the two copies of the form. by the time i noticed it, he was already out of the office. i left the form for him to sign when he got back, and then a deputy would deliver it to me. it took several weeks to get the form back, the sheriff had signed it that day, but one deputy who doesnt "like" me refused to give it to me. finally after i raised some stink, someone at the sheriffs department told the deputy that THEY were breaking the law by not giving me my paperwork.
if it werent for a couple of friends i have that are in law enforcement, i would have a much more cynical view of cops.

As much as I realize the need for law enforcement, the stories of yours are far to common.

When I was a kid we were at a friends house in the front late at night. A bike cop showed up and asked if we were spending the night. All of us were except for one of my friends. The cop then told my friend to get walking and go home. As soon as my friend stepped foot off the curb into the street the cop told him to come back and he's was getting a curfue ticket.

The cop told him to go home just so he could step off of private property and give him a ticket!! He was an ass.

I have other stories as well of cops conducting illegal searches on my vehicle against my request with no probably cause.


The cop loyalist here should realize that cops have been slightly to fully indoctrinated to believe they are above the law and that the citizens are the "other" people.


I love it when cops say "Obey my command!!" Nothing screams of elitism more than that.

[OneGuy67]

As much as I realize the need for law enforcement, the stories of yours are far to common.

When I was a kid we were at a friends house in the front late at night. A bike cop showed up and asked if we were spending the night. All of us were except for one of my friends. The cop then told my friend to get walking and go home. As soon as my friend stepped foot off the curb into the street the cop told him to come back and he's was getting a curfue ticket.

The cop told him to go home just so he could step off of private property and give him a ticket!! He was an ass.

I have other stories as well of cops conducting illegal searches on my vehicle against my request with no probably cause.


The cop loyalist here should realize that cops have been slightly to fully indoctrinated to believe they are above the law and that the citizens are the "other" people.


I love it when cops say "Obey my command!!" Nothing screams of elitism more than that.

Really Bryan? You've met me. Do I come off like that?

[Byte Stryke]

Really Bryan? You've met me. Do I come off like that?


you hang out with right wing Conservative gun nuts...
What is it going to take to convince you that you don't fit the mold we see shoved at us everyday?

[OneGuy67]

you hang out with right wing Conservative gun nuts...
What is it going to take to convince you that you don't fit the mold we see shoved at us everyday?


Byte,

I take complaints, bitches and gripes about my profession seriously. In some cases, there are perceptional stereotypes going on, on others, people bringing in their own biases to play.

I can't justify most things people say occurred in their interaction with law enforcement. I can say I've taken it extremely personally when someone lies in court about my action and behavior, only to have the in-car video show them to be liars. It still pisses me off.

It doesn't help to scan YouTube for a video of an idiot cop from back east or back south, where the minimum standards for law enforcement is breathing and 18, to try to show how bad cops are. I can't justify the 1,500 cops in the city of Denver who are still policing like it is in the 70's; they give the other 6,000 of us in Colorado a black eye and embarrassment. There are some good cops in Denver, but they are not the norm. That's roughly 7,500 local, county and state cops (not including the DOC and sheriff's deputies in the jails) for a population of 5,029,000 (2010 census).

So, to find one, two or three videos and listen to a couple of people gripe about interactions they had, doesn't really say much to me, given the number of daily contacts between people and law enforcement, the number of cases filed in the municipal, county and district courts on a yearly basis.

I don't fit the mold as you say, but frankly, neither does the vast majority of law enforcement in Colorado. We all are painted with that broad brush regularly here.

[Colorado Luckydog]

Byte,
I don't fit the mold as you say, but frankly, neither does the vast majority of law enforcement in Colorado. We all are painted with that broad brush regularly here.

Bullshit. If I have said it once, I have said it many times. 85% of LEO's give the rest of them a bad name.

I know that a few good LEO's are out there. I can tell you this, a good LEO is not one that basically does his job right and fails to report the f*#@ed up LEO's. I've seen it and I've heard it a thousand times. There are LEO's out there that would never do what the others do but they won't stand up to or report the others because of thier fu*!ing code. They are just as bad. This country needs an enema and it's coming soon.

[bryjcom]

Really Bryan? You've met me. Do I come off like that?

Not sure when I met you?? Maybe at a build party???

Anyways my statement of all cops being slightly or fully indoctrinated was a bit over the top and I apologize. I have seen very good cops and I have seen very bad ones. I was pulled over last week for speeding and we were both pleasant and respectful and I left with a warning.

I would say about 1/4 of all my cop encounters involved a cop with a piss poor attitude and a feeling of entitlement and elitism. Thats not a good record.

I have had an officer pull me over because HE SAID I LOOKED "SUSPICIOUS" and then searched me and my car after I informed him he does NOT HAVE my consent. His back up officer said, "YOUR GOING TO SIT THERE WHILE HE SEARCHES YOUR CAR AND YOUR GOING TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!"

I have also had an officer pull me over for no front license plate and then tried to search my car and then stopped when I informed he did not have my consent.

Both were asses but only one obeyed the law. And all of my negative encounters were in Chicago suburbs. I have never had a bad cop in the 4 years I've been out here so maybe its different???


Like I said in my first post. I understand a need for law enforcement but I am seeing more abuse and indoctrination. Here's an example:

My coworker recently completed the police academy and we were BSing about guns. I told him that I eventually want to get some sort of 50BMG. His reply was , " What do you need that for?" My response was "Because I want it!"

About a week later I was talking to my boss about what my coworker had said and he says, " Well thats kinda funny. I was talking to my brother, who is the captain of the city PD, and I was telling him about my new AR-10 I just bought" His reply was, "What do you need that for?"

What I'm seeing is a "We can have them, but YOU CAN'T!" mentality.

All I can say is preach the ideals of individual liberties of mankind to other officers and maybe we can make a difference.

Remember that the police are granted their just powers by the consent of the citizens.

[Clint45]

I can't justify the 1,500 cops in the city of Denver who are still policing like it is in the 70's; they give the other 6,000 of us in Colorado a black eye and embarrassment.

I've met a few Denver cops who were decent people . . . but I've met over a dozen who I wouldn't trust to work as a night watchman at a construction site. You've got some scary, out-of-control policing going on in Denver. This city is notorious throughout the country for bad cops, and I've met some of them. I know lots of citizens here in Denver who will not call 911 unless they truly have no other option because they are more scared of the DPD than the criminals. This is not irrational paranoia. The LAST time I called 911, during the course of my work, when the cop showed up he gave me such an attitude I really thought he was going to kick my ass and take me to jail. I wish I could say that was the only negative encounter I had with the DPD. A bunch of fucking psychos.

I'm NOT anti law enforcement. I've lived in numerous cities and have interacted with good and bad cops in each. I can state, with some authority, that the DPD are in a league of their own. One of the reasons I'm considering moving out of Denver is because of the way the DPD behaves. I've heard too many stories of DPD beating the hell out of citizens for, literally, no legitimate reason, then confiscating or destroying witnesses' cellphones and filing false charges against the victim. The courts aren't much better. I was in traffic court last year and the judge was so whacked out of her mind on pills she was laughing uncontrollably and could barely sit up in her chair. And let's not get started on Denver's "special" laws that they don't seem to want to publish anywhere the average citizen has access to them. This city disgusts me.

[Geology Rocks]

Not sure when I met you?? Maybe at a build party???

Anyways my statement of all cops being slightly or fully indoctrinated was a bit over the top and I apologize. I have seen very good cops and I have seen very bad ones. I was pulled over last week for speeding and we were both pleasant and respectful and I left with a warning.

I would say about 1/4 of all my cop encounters involved a cop with a piss poor attitude and a feeling of entitlement and elitism. Thats not a good record.

I have had an officer pull me over because HE SAID I LOOKED "SUSPICIOUS" and then searched me and my car after I informed him he does NOT HAVE my consent. His back up officer said, "YOUR GOING TO SIT THERE WHILE HE SEARCHES YOUR CAR AND YOUR GOING TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!"

I have also had an officer pull me over for no front license plate and then tried to search my car and then stopped when I informed he did not have my consent.

Both were asses but only one obeyed the law. And all of my negative encounters were in Chicago suburbs. I have never had a bad cop in the 4 years I've been out here so maybe its different???


Like I said in my first post. I understand a need for law enforcement but I am seeing more abuse and indoctrination. Here's an example:

My coworker recently completed the police academy and we were BSing about guns. I told him that I eventually want to get some sort of 50BMG. His reply was , " What do you need that for?" My response was "Because I want it!"

About a week later I was talking to my boss about what my coworker had said and he says, " Well thats kinda funny. I was talking to my brother, who is the captain of the city PD, and I was telling him about my new AR-10 I just bought" His reply was, "What do you need that for?"

What I'm seeing is a "We can have them, but YOU CAN'T!" mentality.

All I can say is preach the ideals of individual liberties of mankind to other officers and maybe we can make a difference.

Remember that the police are granted their just powers by the consent of the citizens.


If I pulled you over and you said you wanted a 50bmg I would say hell yeah and can I shoot it when you get it? pretty please?

joe

[bryjcom]

If I pulled you over and you said you wanted a 50bmg I would say hell yeah and can I shoot it when you get it? pretty please?

joe
When I get one I PM you [Beer]

[agent-smith]

Bullshit. If I have said it once, I have said it many times. 85% of LEO's give the rest of them a bad name.

I think 85% is a little on the low side.

[clublights]

I'm probably gunna need to knock on wood right after this ..............

BUT

I've NEVER had a bad experience with a cop in colorado, Well one I didn't have coming ( doing a 110 just south of castle rock resulted in a VERY loudly screaming and pissed off state trooper... but I had that coming. Still only got a ticket for 90)

I deal with cops a bunch in my industry. from having to have people arrested for fighting in the clubs to working with them at street festivals. They have always been polite and nice.. always fun to work with and have a laugh.

Maybe since I'm mostly an automatic "Good Guy" ( I'm the door guy at the club, The Festival Contractor, so on and so on) That I don't see a bad side. but again anytime I've been pulled over I've gotten a less ticket then I could have gotten, or a "BS" let off ticket. Like pulled me over for speeding but gave me a no insurance ticket ( had insurance but didn't have a CURRENT card with me ... got dropped in the clerks office for free the next day) Doin 43 in a 30 and only written for 38 ( a much much cheaper ticket) Even when I earned my self a DUI a few years back the Adam's county guy was not rude about anything pure professional.

I MAY have seen some stuff that was letter of the law improper..... but I also believe in "contempt of cop" .. you call a cop a " fucking pig" and tell him " I pay your paycheck" .. then resist when he decides you get to go to jail for disorderly conduct .. and get a bit roughed up while going to the ground to get you in cuffs... well you had that coming.. shouldn't have been an asshole and you would have gone home.

I've seen more people TALK themselves into jail then I care to count... and I find it funny as hell every time. ( true these people are drunk and even dumber then normal I'm assuming... )

Now I'll admit I "dislike" traffic cops... it's a cat and mouse game and I hate losing. but when I do lose.. I smile, joke, and laugh with the officer and well the last time I got a ticket ..... about 3 years ago and I've been pulled over about 6 times since then.

I know this post is a bit disjointed and skips around abit but I don't see the same stuff Clint sees. And I've lived in central denver for 18 years now. Almost always in District 6.. with a bit of time father east in D3.

Again... Maybe I'm just lucky.

[SA Friday]

Bullshit. If I have said it once, I have said it many times. 85% of LEO's give the rest of them a bad name.


Wow, that statement alone says all I need to know.

[Rust_shackleford]

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[hurley842002]

Wow, that statement alone says all I need to know.

^^ this, along with "agent-smiths" comment. If 85% (hell even 50%) of cops were running around acting like this is the wild west, we'd have much bigger problems than the issues we've seen.

[Bailey Guns]

WOW! Who, in their wildest imagination, would've thought this thread would wind up in the sewer?

Color me shocked. Not.

[hurley842002]

WOW! Who, in their wildest imagination, would've thought this thread would wind up in the sewer?

Color me shocked. Not.

Yeah, I normally try not to post on these "cop bashing" threads, as the anti's just raise my blood pressure, but I couldn't leave 85% alone.

[OneGuy67]

85% of LEO's give the rest of them a bad name.

I know that a few good LEO's are out there. I can tell you this, a good LEO is not one that basically does his job right and fails to report the f*#@ed up LEO's. I've seen it and I've heard it a thousand times. There are LEO's out there that would never do what the others do but they won't stand up to or report the others because of thier fu*!ing code. They are just as bad. This country needs an enema and it's coming soon.

What is this 'code' you all always want to spout? Do you really think if we witness a cop doing something illegal we won't say anything? We want the bad cops gone as much as anyone. So yes, the vast majority of us are being painted with a broad paintbrush by you.


Not sure when I met you?? Maybe at a build party???

Anyways my statement of all cops being slightly or fully indoctrinated was a bit over the top and I apologize. I have seen very good cops and I have seen very bad ones. I was pulled over last week for speeding and we were both pleasant and respectful and I left with a warning.

I would say about 1/4 of all my cop encounters involved a cop with a piss poor attitude and a feeling of entitlement and elitism. Thats not a good record.

I have had an officer pull me over because HE SAID I LOOKED "SUSPICIOUS" and then searched me and my car after I informed him he does NOT HAVE my consent. His back up officer said, "YOUR GOING TO SIT THERE WHILE HE SEARCHES YOUR CAR AND YOUR GOING TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!"

I have also had an officer pull me over for no front license plate and then tried to search my car and then stopped when I informed he did not have my consent.

Both were asses but only one obeyed the law. And all of my negative encounters were in Chicago suburbs. I have never had a bad cop in the 4 years I've been out here so maybe its different???


Like I said in my first post. I understand a need for law enforcement but I am seeing more abuse and indoctrination. Here's an example:

My coworker recently completed the police academy and we were BSing about guns. I told him that I eventually want to get some sort of 50BMG. His reply was , " What do you need that for?" My response was "Because I want it!"

About a week later I was talking to my boss about what my coworker had said and he says, " Well thats kinda funny. I was talking to my brother, who is the captain of the city PD, and I was telling him about my new AR-10 I just bought" His reply was, "What do you need that for?"

What I'm seeing is a "We can have them, but YOU CAN'T!" mentality.

All I can say is preach the ideals of individual liberties of mankind to other officers and maybe we can make a difference.

Remember that the police are granted their just powers by the consent of the citizens.

Yes, Bryan, on two different occasions, you've helped me with two of my builds. Surprise! You are guilty of aiding a cop! The horror.

I can't argue your experiences in Chicago. It is Chicago. I can argue experiences here, as there is regional differences in law enforcement, differences in minimum hiring standards, state standards and the like. We have statutes and case law to follow. We get updated and continuous training on all them.

Your two examples of the big guns and your belief in some elitist, "I can have them and you can't mentality" is your bias. If you were discussing the same gun with me, I would probably say the same thing. It isn't coming from an elite position of what I can have and what you can't, because that isn't true. It is coming from a practical position of, why would you spend that kind of money on a gun, where the cost per round is between $3.50-$5.00, you have limited areas to shoot it, given the distance the round can travel and other than being an end-of-the-world, zombie distance killer, would you have any use for it other than being a safe queen? You ain't going huntin' Bambi with it. Maybe if we have a rogue elephant running around Windsor, it would be useful. You want it just because you want it? Knock yourself out.

I have four AR's in different configurations and other than the one I carry with me at work, the other three serve no practical purpose than to take space in the safe and on occasion, be taken to the range and shot.

Someone asking the question of why you need something like that can easily be coming from someone who doesn't have the same desire or need for that kind of toy. If the topic was a Hummer H1, jacked to the max with double wide super swampers and the question was asked of why you would want or need something like that, is that elitism, or someone asking the practical purpose of such a toy?

Frankly, I don't know many law enforcement agencies with a .50 BMG or even a .308 for that matter. There might be a .308 on a SWAT or ERT team, but they aren't just lying around for the average joe officer to pick up and put in his trunk. No justification for them.

[bryjcom]

Yes, Bryan, on two different occasions, you've helped me with two of my builds. Surprise! You are guilty of aiding a cop! The horror.





OMG!!!! I helped a cop!!!!!! Ahhhhhhh!!!!![ROFL2]

Well if I helped you then I must not dislike you..

And regardless of what you may think about me I don't "hate" cops. I actually would help them out if needed. One of my gun safes was previously owned by a Captain of the Fort collins PD. He gave it to me for helping him move to Windsor.

Oh by the way. Why do you need 4 ARs???[Tooth]

[Rust_shackleford]

Peace Offices have become Law Enforcement. They refer to Citizens as civilians, when in fact they themselves are also civilians. The Police have become militarized in attitude, equipment and appearance.
Look to Katrina for the general attitude that the State knows best and will will enforce the nanny state. Police knowing violated the Bill of Rights in the name of a "State of Emergency".
I see some are waking up, such as those who have joined Oath Keepers.
So to let you know I have 10 years police and 10 years military duty under my belt and have seen both sides.
I say to the Police remember the Constitution protects both sides.

[jerrymrc]

Enough. Unlike some other threads this started out NOT as a first person account. If all we are going to do is go find news stories about injustice and post them here to do nothing more than stir the pot then it needs to end.

We have many members (as well as staff) that are Leo's. The news rarely puts up stories about the good things because it does not sell. Not everyone in every profession is perfect or an upstanding citizen. Crime and bad people come from all walks of life.

I had hoped that this might have died down or ended on it's own accord. Just the title alone was sure to cause issues. The boss may decide to open this but it is my call that this "cop bashing" thread end.