Dew questions from a noobie

[WellHungSmurf]

I have been shooting guns since I was 13 started bb's, then pellet, then .22 then 9mm, and then a sks. Never owned one, and about to purchase my first guns. I got a few general questions for you guys.

1) Thinking of getting a carbine that shoots pistol caliber. Less recoil, cheaper then a AR, and cheaper ammo. You guys agree this would be a good stepping stone to a AR later? I don't really shoot further then 100yards, so the distance wont be an issue..

2) I have a gun cleaning kit, I always left that to others, and I never saw them disassembled them. Should you after every time shooting?


3) i'm assuming you do the nylon brush bore, then the cotton tip then apply oil to the cleaning patch. Then the cotton end again to even out the oil.. Or am I way off? This is for the down the barrel cleaning

[Gunner]

Ammo is not nessasarily cheaper. You might want to look into a AR in a 22lr. But if it was me I would pick up a rifle in 5.56 or 223

[Guylee]

Ammo is not nessasarily cheaper. You might want to look into a AR in a 22lr. But if it was me I would pick up a rifle in 5.56 or 223

Same. An AR in it's "normal caliber" is going to be a lot better for someone who's new to the platform.

[Irving]

There really isn't a need to easy yourself into a certain caliber. You're an adult now, just buy what you want. :)

[DD977GM2]

I would recommend a normal AR with a 5.56 chamber or a Wylde Chamber so you can shoot both 5.56 and .223 ammo and not have to worry of over pressures from the 5.56.

The normal AR will be cheaper then a pistol caliber upper.

The ammo is relativly cheap and in some cases cheaper then pistol ammo. You can get 1k rounds of Wolf for $189 thru online stores like Aim Surplus. There are also deals from private sellers all the time on AR15.com Equipment Exchange or even on here, just gotta be quick if its on this wonderful site.

Good Luck and post pics of your first AR!!!

[WellHungSmurf]

Ok I'm going with an AR-15... You twisted my arm [Muaha]

Now, could someone answer my cleaning question. I know it seems like a dumb question. But I want to make sure I clean my first gun corrctly..

[BPTactical]

As others have stated, stick with a 5.56/223 for your 1st AR. Pistol caliber carbines can be finicky and carry their own inherent maladies that for someone new to the platform can be frustrating to deal with.

Everybody has their own cleaning ritual. Some folks keep their rifles surgically clean while others will wait until you have to chip the carbon off with a hammer. Pick a happy medium.
AR's like to be clean and well oiled. I generally only give the bore a real good cleaning when I see a degradation in accuracy. More firearms are ruined by excessive cleaning than any other factor. I will clean the bolt and carrier thoroughly after each outing paying attention to get all of the carbon off of the bolt and carrier.
As far as the bore goes a wet patch or two down the bore, let it sit for a few and then dry patches until they come out pretty clean. The "cotton tip" thing you are talking about is a bore mop and generally useless on a rifle, you will go through solvent quickly. Just wet patches will work well. No need to scrub brush it unless you are doing a real thorough cleaning and are wanting to remove copper and deep fouling. If you insist on scrubbing the bore use the nylon brushes, they are easier on the bore. Oil a patch and run it through a couple of times and just let the oil sit in the bore. Just run a dry patch down it before you head to the range and you will be fine. Invest in a chamber brush and use it-you want to keep the chamber clean but go easy on the bore.
Cleaning rods- shitcan the cheap aluminum 3 piece rods. They are the worst thing in the world for a bore. Invest in a 1 piece steel (coated) or stainless rod.
Always clean from breech to muzzle.
If you are going to shoot Wolf ammo out of your AR be ready for two things: 1- you are going to get real good at cleaning the bolt and carrier, Wolf is pretty dirty powder and really carbons up. 2- you will stick a case in the chamber and the odds increase the dirtier the chamber gets (remember that chamber brush) keep a cleaning rod handy when you go to the range and are shooting Wolf.

[WellHungSmurf]

Wow I thought the mop was a must in rifles and pistols. Now when you said "As far as the bore goes a wet patch or two down the bore, let it sit for a few and then dry patches until they come out pretty clean." When you say "wet" it you mean with gun oil correct?

I have always seen people around me clean the bore with a brush. If it's not necessarily a must I can skip it if it saves the life of the barrel.

thanks for the info

[BPTactical]

When I was referencing a wet patch that is wet with bore solvent/cleaner.
Soak a patch with solvent-swab the bore to get it thoroughly wet-let it set for a few, scrub with the brush if you must-follow up with dry patches until they come out clean or light grey. Swab with an oily patch and let it be until the next range session.
Just don't forget to run a dry patch before you shoot.
I have discovered that by using Tetra oil subsequent cleanings are easier.

[WellHungSmurf]

Ok - thanks you have been a big help. I had the 3 peice screw together cleaner, and it's impossible to clean breech to muzzle, I'll buy a one peice.

One last noob question.. How much is it per round if you pack your own ammo? I am all for saving, but not sure the savings will be worth the rounds/per year i'll be shooting.. I'm thinking 9mm and .556 nato

[SA Friday]

Gun cleaning is pretty much a personal thing. Like BP said. Some are anal retentive, some simply refuse to clean unless necessary. I prefer to clean based on what makes the gun run best, but prefer to limit my cleaning sessions to a minimum. Cleaning, especially the barrel isn't as necessary as many think and can cause just as much wear as actual shooting. I pretty much don't clean any of my pistols or rifles bores anymore, but I don't shoot corrosive ammo either. Chambers and actions are where the cleaning needs to be done. My high end pistols are very tight and require regular cleaning, once amonth if I'm shooting round counts in the area of 500 por so a week. My glocks, well, I clean the chamber about every 5000 rounds and fully clean once or twice a year. They jst run dirty so why screw with what works.

There is no such thing as cheap ammo, pistol or rifle. So, just go with an AR or a 22 long rifle of some sort. 22 is a good starting out gun.

[Byte Stryke]

When you say "wet" it you mean with gun oil correct?


Or Smurf Piss, whichever gets the job done!

[ROFL1]

[Jer]

Mmmmm.... Dew

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[Cman]

For ammo prices check Bullet Boy he's an industry partner here and does and excellent job of reloading.

[WellHungSmurf]

I new my dew instead of few would come up. [ROFL1]

I still have searched for ammo prices if you pack your ammo yourself can't find anything..

[Jer]

I new my dew instead of few would come up. [ROFL1]

I couldn't disappoint. I know it's the only reason I clicked the link.

[WellHungSmurf]

Ok, i'm dying here.. Anyone have any info on ammo packing? Help a brother out

[Irving]

Are you talking about reloading your own ammo? If so, there is a whole subforum and about 7,500 threads dedicated to that subject. I'd spend some time reading there first.

[CareyH]

depending on how much shooting u do there may not be a cost benefit to reloading. Are u going to shot a few hundred rds a year or thousands? If u go put a box or two through every few months just buy store bought ammo.

[WellHungSmurf]

Irving - I did a search, I will again thanks

Carey - I don't think I will shoot enough. I did some research, and it seems you need to shot alot to make it worth it..

Thanks for the info!!!

[Irving]

Here you go:

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=103

Scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll see that is every thread that has been posted in, in the last year. You have the option to show every thread ever posted in that section as well.