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Pancho Villa
04-27-2011, 07:47
Okay. Can we move on to more important things, now?
Obama is apparently holding a press conference confirming that, indeed, someone who hates America can be born in America.
I still havet seen it.
In the end I don't care. It has taken this long to come up with something? Fuck that. I would be denied a damn drivers license if I didn't have mine. Yet this guy can be president for 2 years. Something is seriously wrong with that.
At the end of the day it wont change a thing. People will now say he took 2 years to get everything in order to produce a fake with fake records to prove it. I will side with these people. But it isn't going to matter. He will stay in office and more money and time will be wasted over the birther issue.
ghettodub
04-27-2011, 08:22
I think it's ridiculous that people are so hung up on this issue. I'm a little more concerned with the economy, the war, etc...
BPTactical
04-27-2011, 08:25
I still havet seen it.
In the end I don't care. It has taken this long to come up with something? Fuck that. I would be denied a damn drivers license if I didn't have mine. Yet this guy can be president for 2 years. Something is seriously wrong with that.
At the end of the day it wont change a thing. People will now say he took 2 years to get everything in order to produce a fake with fake records to prove it. I will side with these people. But it isn't going to matter. He will stay in office and more money and time will be wasted over the birther issue.
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This
The BC issue has always had a niche for the simple fact that if the man isn't eligible, he isn't eligible. For the "it doesn't matter" crowd- excuse me? It does matter.
I have always been more curious of all the documents since he was born that have been sequestered.
Adoption records,College, Passport and financial aid records, any writings from the Harvard Law Review etc. I think if there is a nefarious angle to him here is where it would be seen. There are far too many unseens and unknowns for this "document" to settle everybodies appetite.
Timing is an interesting thing. The White House didn't give a damn on this issue until Trump got involved. Just what did Donny find?
Why did the WH not release this when numerous lawsuits were pending on this issue?
Why did the WH not release this when a US Army officer was facing Court Martial?
Really it kinda raises more questions.
The fact that he has contradicted himself numerous times in reference to the books he "wrote".
The fact that he is using a questionable SSN from a state neither of his parents were from.
Trust? and verify. You cant verify if he wont produce the documents.
At the end of the day...
Too many layovers in the Midwest for you sir. [Coffee]
Daniel_187
04-27-2011, 08:56
My Question is then, Where did his name Barry (Don't know if I spelled the right) come from
My Question is then, Where did his name Barry (Don't know if I spelled the right) come from
a nickname
So let me get this straight, it wasn't good enough when he didn't release it and now that he is it still isn't good enough? Oh please. If you want to see it it is in just about every news website on the internet. It looks exactly like my state of hawaii birth certificate
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
The real story is that now Donald Trump has to release his tax return lol
ronaldrwl
04-27-2011, 09:00
BO has to keep his record going of lying at least once a day. It's his pact with the Devil. If he doesn't its back to Hell.
Okay. Can we move on to more important things, now?
Obama is apparently holding a press conference confirming that, indeed, someone who hates America can be born in America.
[ROFL1]
Excellent post for coming back from lurking for so long. Well done.\
Bert, they released it now because people are starting to run for POTUS again, and they want to get it out of the way now.
Pancho Villa
04-27-2011, 09:12
I am one of those "it doesn't matter" people, mainly because the cat could be born on Mars, all his papers are in order and he isn't going to be tossed out of office early.
Plus, if he is, Biden gets to be prez. So, from lazy uncanny idiot to wild, unpredictable drunk idiot. I say that would be a downgrade.
Re: Why now? Well, Ben Bernanke is holding a press conference trying to justify the fed's recent policies. Maybe to keep that off the front page?
Well after 3+ years I think he can come up with a pretty good forgery of such.
I mean he has now met all the POWERFUL crooks in the US.
I am one of those "it doesn't matter" people, mainly because the cat could be born on Mars, all his papers are in order and he isn't going to be tossed out of office early.
Plus, if he is, Biden gets to be prez. So, from lazy uncanny idiot to wild, unpredictable drunk idiot. I say that would be a downgrade.
Re: Why now? Well, Ben Bernanke is holding a press conference trying to justify the fed's recent policies. Maybe to keep that off the front page?
Timing. Now no one can throw out the argument about him not being born here, the document is in the public domain for anyone to see.. It wasn't an issue till he took office, and since he is going to run for re-election he is getting it out of the way first.
Lex_Luthor
04-27-2011, 09:25
Well after 3+ years I think he can come up with a pretty good forgery of such.
I mean he has now met all the POWERFUL crooks in the US.
Agreed.
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 09:32
Well after 3+ years I think he can come up with a pretty good forgery of such.
I mean he has now met all the POWERFUL crooks in the US.
Hell it wouldn't require that.
As a professional graphic designer I could fake a birth certificate from the early 60s well enough to fool all but the best forensic document examiners. Photoshop rules.
Again I suspect that he was born in Hawaii but he kept the controversy alive because he gained from it politically ... he and his handlers have done the calculations and figure it helps him more now to end the controversy than to keep it going (I don't understand their calculus here ... I thought he was still getting good traction against Republicans with the whole "birther" label).
I think they made a gross miscalculation and they've just thrown away one of their best bludgeons.
I'm pretty sure, that even with my extremely limited resources, I could come up with a birth certificate for my self from any/all 50 states, as well as several foreign countries in the space of 3 years. This does nothing to dispell my theory that Mr. Obama is a plant, put in place by China/North Korea/Iran/Saudi Arabia, for the sole purpose of destroying the US culturally and economically.
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I'm pretty sure, that even with my extremely limited resources, I could come up with a birth certificate for my self from any/all 50 states, as well as several foreign countries in the space of 3 years. This does nothing to dispell my theory that Mr. Obama is a plant, put in place by China/North Korea/Iran/Saudi Arabia, for the sole purpose of destroying the US culturally and economically.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/images/emoticons//tinfoilhatsmile.gif
At least he's not a Shrub like the former prez.[ROFL1]
At least he's not a Shrub like the former prez.[ROFL1]
Maybe that explains why Bush liked to spend time at the ranch clearing Brush.
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CrufflerSteve
04-27-2011, 09:53
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Again I suspect that he was born in Hawaii but he kept the controversy alive because he gained from it politically ... he and his handlers have done the calculations and figure it helps him more now to end the controversy than to keep it going (I don't understand their calculus here ... I thought he was still getting good traction against Republicans with the whole "birther" label).
I think they made a gross miscalculation and they've just thrown away one of their best bludgeons.
I think Zundfolge nailed it. It allowed many opponents to waste time on this and appear nutters to the more moderate voters he needed. Personally I think if he had been foreign born Hillary would have dug it out. Mud is the Clinton's specialty and I don't believe she was running for Secretary of State. She wanted it all and a sick goat could have beat McCain.
I think if people wanted dirt they should have focused on his time in Chicago. Not hanging out with terrorists but with politicians. I lived there long ago and that is a totally corrupt city. Honest politicians are marginalized and mocked but he was somewhat successful. Even if he never took a bribe he was in the room when bad things happened.
Steve
TriggerHappy
04-27-2011, 10:08
You would think the government should be able to forge a legal document faster than 2 years. I think it's a joke, it should have been available to the public immediately. Period. No questions asked.
Ps:I dint have time to read the other posts, so if this was previously mentioned, I agree with you.
ChunkyMonkey
04-27-2011, 10:37
You would think the government should be able to forge a legal document faster than 2 years. I think it's a joke, it should have been available to the public immediately. Period. No questions asked.
Ps:I dint have time to read the other posts, so if this was previously mentioned, I agree with you.
Forgery is extremely easy. Lining up some public officials to swear by it, making sure you don't leave any footprint in the public database might take roughly 2 1/2 years. [Tooth]
I think the 30% of the voters (the right) won't change their mind anyway. I would focus on his record in economy, tarp, bailouts, Libya, immigration and so on to win the middle's votes
ChunkyMonkey
04-27-2011, 10:46
Double posting! N/M
WellHungSmurf
04-27-2011, 11:35
I disagree with most of you. How many other Presidents have been hounded to show their birth cert? lol and I truly hope some of you are more intelligent then to think he wasn't born in the USA. And if he wasn't (which isn't the most logical of thoughts) he is the PRESIDENT. They could have him a perfect fake in less then 2 hours..
Now, I do believe there are more pressing issue's then Obama's BC. Like, IDK the United states econemy, China's continued growth and power, our war's in 3 counties etc.. I wish people would give it a rest
ghettodub
04-27-2011, 11:45
/sits back and waits for the fun replies to that one! [Coffee]
[Luck]
ChunkyMonkey
04-27-2011, 11:48
Got trolled by a smurf?
I got the popcorn!!!!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rAJe_CypsZs/TOzP-YwCunI/AAAAAAAABVs/QDs5lJFxzyo/s1600/popcorn_10000.jpg
DeusExMachina
04-27-2011, 12:02
And surprising no one, this makes no difference at all to the "birthers".
Beprepared
04-27-2011, 12:07
I am one of those "it doesn't matter" people, mainly because the cat could be born on Mars, all his papers are in order and he isn't going to be tossed out of office early.
Plus, if he is, Biden gets to be prez. So, from lazy uncanny idiot to wild, unpredictable drunk idiot. I say that would be a downgrade.
Re: Why now? Well, Ben Bernanke is holding a press conference trying to justify the fed's recent policies. Maybe to keep that off the front page?
The birth certificate is a HUGE red herring to this ^^^^^
Welcome back Pancho Villa
WellHungSmurf
04-27-2011, 12:12
lol no trolling here. I truly don't understand the logic to doubting his BC is real. Unless your IQ is less then 24, and should recieve special help at a special home[Coffee]. And we are in a war in Iraq, Afgan, and now the middle east is about to pop. And we have people talking about his Birch certificate lol kills me[ROFL1]
Do you understand the significance of the topic?
WellHungSmurf
04-27-2011, 12:20
Well, I never doubted he wasn't a natural born US citizen. Never had a reason to. So, no.. I guess I don't.. I just think there are bigger more pressing issues for our News and media to cover.. IMO
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 12:24
lol no trolling here. I truly don't understand the logic to doubting his BC is real. Unless your IQ is less then 24, and should recieve special help at a special home[Coffee].
This is my problem with this whole argument.
If you are not 100% convinced of something that is frankly unprovable then you're an "idiot Birther".
I'm sorry but prior to today's release of the actual birth certificate, questioning whether it existed or not was a legitimate position (especially since Obama stonewalled on its release).
But resorting to fallacious logic and assertion of Alinsky's rules #5 and #12 doesn't really make YOUR side of the argument any more logical, reasonable or intelligent than that of the "birther" side (which is also unprovable BTW).
Oh and it's i before e EXCEPT AFTER c (re: receive).
ChunkyMonkey
04-27-2011, 12:25
And surprising no one, this makes no difference at all to the "birthers".
It's comparable to the fact that Obama is not The Messiah, yet the libtards still worship him. /S
Of course he's the messiah. He said I'd get a job at the unicorn factory just as soon as the economy turns around.
WellHungSmurf
04-27-2011, 12:32
This is my problem with this whole argument.
If you are not 100% convinced of something that is frankly unprovable then you're an "idiot Birther".
I'm sorry but prior to today's release of the actual birth certificate, questioning whether it existed or not was a legitimate position (especially since Obama stonewalled on its release).
But resorting to fallacious logic and assertion of Alinsky's rules #5 and #12 doesn't really make YOUR side of the argument any more logical, reasonable or intelligent than that of the "birther" side (which is also unprovable BTW).
Oh and it's i before e EXCEPT AFTER c (re: receive).
Did you question Goooood Ol' George W. Bush if he was a natural born citizen? I guess some people question if Obama was a natural born citizen, I always thought it was the right trying to push his buttons. Oh well its over now..
Was there ever any doubt that Bush was born here?
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 12:39
Did you question Goooood Ol' George W. Bush if he was a natural born citizen? I guess some people question if Obama was a natural born citizen, I always thought it was the right trying to push his buttons. Oh well its over now..
GW's birth was never in question, Obama's was ... its as simple as that.
Now as for GW the left and the media DID call him an idiot because he wasn't a straight A student ... but Obama hasn't released HIS transcripts ... hmm.
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 12:40
Of course he's the messiah. He said I'd get a job at the unicorn factory just as soon as the economy turns around.
Its unicorn FARM not factory ... sheesh [ROFL1]
Laugh if you like, but I'll be first in line to have my own Mr. Toots. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxHhBx1FtLQ)
WellHungSmurf
04-27-2011, 12:55
I personally never had any doubt that Obama was born here. I met people who thought otherwise but for me, and others I don't think there was any doubt..
lol Bush was called a moron not because of his grades, his use of Bushisms is why people called him dumb.
"I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009
I guess it's OK to call the secretary of education here 'buddy.' That means friend." --George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Jan. 8, 2009
"People say, well, do you ever hear any other voices other than, like, a few people? Of course I do." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2008
I don't wanna argue this, it's a mute point now. I wasn't defending Obama, or bashing Bush. I was simply saying, with wars going on I was suprised this is such a big deal. Esp after he has been in office for two years. Seems silly to me
streetglideok
04-27-2011, 13:14
I never bought into Obama being born elsewhere, however, when he decided to run for the public office of President of the United States, and being a law grad, he should surely know that proving his natural born citizenship could come up, and by accepting to run for office, he accepted that he may have to show his birth certificate to prove it to the public. He works for us, not the other way around. We have a right to question his birthplace, especially when he refused to let us see the birth certificate. If he wanted privacy, he should of took a job at a factory, not a public office.
I know we have alot of issues in this country now of utmost importance, but one thing that cant be argued is, if the guy in the whitehouse won't respect a simple rule that's been in the constitution for over 200 years, how can we expect him to honor anything else, like leaving office if he is voted out? If we cant follow the most basic of laws setforth by our forefathers, we have already failed. Saving the country not only entails fixing the debt, the economy, and our selves, it means following the laws, without which we have anarchy. And blatant disregard for the laws is what ushers in the dictators, etc.
people will just say its a forgery/conspiracy.
you still have 9/11 truthers and the moon landing was faked people, who have been empirically proven wrong yet still spout their mess.
I don't think christopher hitchens would believe in God even if Jesus showed up and made him an omelette.
let them. they can do what they want. free country.
now I want to see barry's college transcripts.
UberTong
04-27-2011, 13:24
I personally never had any doubt that Obama was born here. I met people who thought otherwise but for me, and others I don't think there was any doubt..
lol Bush was called a moron not because of his grades, his use of Bushisms is why people called him dumb.
"I'm telling you there's an enemy that would like to attack America, Americans, again. There just is. That's the reality of the world. And I wish him all the very best." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009
I guess it's OK to call the secretary of education here 'buddy.' That means friend." --George W. Bush, Philadelphia, Jan. 8, 2009
"People say, well, do you ever hear any other voices other than, like, a few people? Of course I do." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 18, 2008
I don't wanna argue this, it's a mute point now. I wasn't defending Obama, or bashing Bush. I was simply saying, with wars going on I was suprised this is such a big deal. Esp after he has been in office for two years. Seems silly to me
You don't want to defend Obama or trash Bush, yet that is exactly what you are doing. If you want to talk about the economy, I'd love to hear that...but I'm not familiar with the econemy of which you speak. And you're making references to someone else being stupid?
Hide and watch. In a couple of weeks this new cert will be found to be a fake.
Hide and watch. In a couple of weeks this new cert will be found to be a fake.
reminds me of dan rather.
wanted to go down in history as a reporter that took down the president, be mentioned in the same breath as woodward and bernstein.
instead got to enjoy a timely retirement because his paper was bogus.
Well for sure he ain't a Smurf. LOL
It should be noted, for the sake of facts, that the certificate released initially, issued by the state of Hawaii, is sufficient legal proof of residence. With that you can get a passport, join the army, get a drivers license, be President.
The reason people didn't believe it was because HI had changed the way it handles these records, and they wanted to see a document issued in the 60's at the time of birth.
That was released now, but just like the Moon landing, won't convince the die hards, be they conspiracy theorists, die hard racists, or just a little light in the loafers. At this point, that contingent should be reduced enough that it's no longer a plank in any GOP candidates platform. Hopefully.
H.
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 15:05
It should be noted, for the sake of facts, that the certificate released initially, issued by the state of Hawaii, is sufficient legal proof of residence. With that you can get a passport, join the army, get a drivers license, be President.
Actually that's the root of the original argument. A "Certificate of live birth" like the one originally released is NOT enough to get a passport or joint the army or get a drivers license (ostensibly that also meant not good enough to be President).
That was released now, but just like the Moon landing, won't convince the die hards, be they conspiracy theorists, die hard racists, or just a little light in the loafers.
I didn't realize that the gays were birthers. [ROFL1]
At this point, that contingent should be reduced enough that it's no longer a plank in any GOP candidates platform. Hopefully.It never was a plank in the platform of any serious GOP candidate (no Trump ain't serious)
2008f450
04-27-2011, 15:22
Ok he was born here. Argument over. He is still F*cking up the country. Can we get to fixing that now mister Obumer. Stop talking about the little stuff and fix the situation before we wind up lower on the totem pole than Bangledesh
And now he can move on to the important stuff like
CAMPAIGNING
jerrymrc
04-27-2011, 16:37
And now he can move on to the important stuff like
CAMPAIGNING
He seems to do real well at that. :)
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 16:51
I'm not a birther, but the file at whitehouse.gov is NOT a scan of an original document.
I opened it up in Adobe Illustrator and its obviously pieced together.
Something real fishy here.
I separated the objects into three major pieces, on the left is the background, on the right is the bulk of the text and in the middle is the little pieces of text that were separate from the others.
see attachment
TriggerHappy
04-27-2011, 17:30
Its true everyone, here, has a right to an opinion, but who keeps letting the smurfs in ?!?! WTF.. really?
Ya think Smurfette is Uh RICH?
OH who's yer Papa...
ronaldrwl
04-27-2011, 18:00
I think we should point out ever flaw in the man. Everything. He started a war half-assed and late and all the way to how many times he plays golf. It's fair game.
WellHungSmurf
04-27-2011, 18:10
Its true everyone, here, has a right to an opinion, but who keeps letting the smurfs in ?!?! WTF.. really?
Im not just a "normal" smurf. I'm a wellhungsmurf. Biiiiig difference. Don't be jealous[Coffee]
rockhound
04-27-2011, 19:02
Im not just a "normal" smurf. I'm a wellhungsmurf. Biiiiig difference. Don't be jealous[Coffee]
since smurfs are little tiny blue people what exactly are you bragging about?
wouldn't a well hung smurf still have a teeny tiny pee pee.
just saying it would like being a well hung rodent.
[LOL]
ChunkyMonkey
04-27-2011, 19:07
Im not just a "normal" smurf. I'm a wellhungsmurf. Biiiiig difference. Don't be jealous[Coffee]
It must really suck to not able to relieve your blue balls.
rockhound
04-27-2011, 19:08
i am sure we will have people take this copy apart piece by piece. if it is truly a fake that will finally be the end of his presidency.
i don't know if i ever believed that he was not born in HI, i still think he is just a dumbass for letting it go on so long,
let's face it he finally caved due to pressure from Trump, he had to cave, he loses political face because he could not release it on his terms, If it turns out to be true copy of the actual document then trump has lost a little cred cause he rolled the dice on this being a real issue.
whether he has a real document or not obama has made a total dick of himself by not telling the truth about everything from his education to his birth cert.
all this BS from what is supposed to be the most transparent administration we have ever had.
I am surprised that Air Force One can even take off with the load of bullshit it has to haul around. I might have to make that part of my signature
Honestly, they probably just touched it up so it could be read. However, given the situation, still a huge gaff.
Molon_Labe-1775
04-27-2011, 19:16
Not sure if you guys have seen this yet.
Very interesting.... real or not. Why wait 2 1/2 years after spending 2 million to keep it hidden to all of a sudden release it? Fucking stupid or genius?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQAqvtXenKg&feature=youtu.be
ChunkyMonkey
04-27-2011, 19:20
Honestly, they probably just touched it up so it could be read. However, given the situation, still a huge gaff.
I have the same thought. I highly doubt the POTUS would release his own fake birth certificate. Especially one that's easily detected. This is not a hard copy either btw, its a digital copy that is available through the State of Hawaii. .
If anything, I think Obama just did us a favor by turning our focus on how a big fuck up he is on economy, military, health care, immigration and so on.
Molon_Labe-1775
04-27-2011, 20:35
Here you go guys. I would stake my career on this.
http://www.1911.com/legal/Birth Certificate.png (http://www.1911.com/legal/Birth%20Certificate.png)
That's right in line with the video I linked
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 20:40
Which is also right in line with the file I attached ... whatamichoppedliver? :D
one explanation being given is that the scanner that scanned the document had OCR turned on ... my only problem with that is the different color of some of the text and the fact that when I've accidentally OCR scanned stuff it makes a LOT more little boxes than that ... and generally doesn't separate the text from a textured background.
gcrookston
04-27-2011, 20:55
Here you go guys. I would stake my career on this.
http://www.1911.com/legal/Birth Certificate.png (http://www.1911.com/legal/Birth%20Certificate.png)
-- you lose. A medium resolution digital copy is not sufficient to draw any sustainable conclusion. Take your own birth certificate (or other document with a medium background such as a check) and reproduce it and then enlarge it in the same way and you will find similar distortions.
***admin removed picture. Do your research next time.
-- you lose. A medium resolution digital copy is not sufficient to draw any sustainable conclusion. Take your own birth certificate (or other document with a medium background such as a check) and reproduce it and then enlarge it in the same way and you will find similar distortions.
I just scanned the title from my 1980 motorcycle. No matter how much I zoomed in, no MS Paint showed up on it.
Rust_shackleford
04-27-2011, 21:06
http://classic-web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/http://eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
gcrookston
04-27-2011, 21:12
I just scanned the title from my 1980 motorcycle. No matter how much I zoomed in, no MS Paint showed up on it.
Then you are doing it wrong.
Really people? Do you think for one minute that with all the assets at the administration's disposal they'd produce some half-assed document? It would be perfect..... too perfect....
I didn't vote for the guy. I don't particularly like him nor do I trust him and I am not in agreement with much of anything he has done. But I will allow that he is a very intelligent individual surrounded by even more intelligent people.
What you are all doing is just a repeat of 2008 (if you don't recall, see here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html).
The only tail that donkey Trump had of substance was to relight this issue and now that's been pinned back on his ass.
All I'm saying is that it has obviously been touched up. You can't possibly look at that link and not see that. I'm not even sure what you are disputing here.
Molon_Labe-1775
04-27-2011, 21:19
Then you are doing it wrong.
Really people? Do you think for one minute that with all the assets at the administration's disposal they'd produce some half-assed document? It would be perfect..... too perfect....
I didn't vote for the guy. I don't particularly like him nor do I trust him and I am not in agreement with much of anything he has done. But I will allow that he is a very intelligent individual surrounded by even more intelligent people.
What you are all doing is just a repeat of 2008 (if you don't recall, see here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html).
The only tail that donkey Trump had of substance was to relight this issue and now that's been pinned back on his ass.
Why not... it produced a half ass president [Coffee]
Zundfolge
04-27-2011, 21:20
Then you are doing it wrong.
Really people? Do you think for one minute that with all the assets at the administration's disposal they'd produce some half-assed document? It would be perfect..... too perfect.....
That was my initial thought as well ... but there the document is and as another professional graphic designer with almost two decades of experience (including years and years of pre-press experience in the commercial printing industry where I troubleshot people's files 40+ hours a week) this file has clearly been altered.
That doesn't prove that he wasn't born in Hawaii or anything else, it only shows that they provided an altered image and claim it to be a scan of a single image.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see them put out an obviously altered image just to muddy the water and get us to talk about something other than Obama's record ... or the Fed holding the first press conference in history ... or the fact that the EPA has basically shut down any chance of domestic oil production anytime soon ... or one of a dozen other real problems.
Also, FactCheck.org is about as unbiased as WorldNetDaily (only in the other direction)
gcrookston
04-27-2011, 21:34
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see them put out an obviously altered image just to muddy the water and get us to talk about something other than Obama's record ... or the Fed holding the first press conference in history ... or the fact that the EPA has basically shut down any chance of domestic oil production anytime soon ... or one of a dozen other real problems.
I find this more plausible than anything else my tin foil hatted friends have put forth today, or over the last 3 years for that matter.
Byte Stryke
04-28-2011, 00:16
I'm Bored with this...
Lets have some real controversy...
Someone start another half-nekkid ladies with guns thread!
[ROFL1]
gcrookston
04-28-2011, 06:37
I'm Bored with this...
Lets have some real controversy...
Someone start another half-nekkid ladies with guns thread!
[ROFL1]
I think we tried that and determined the half most wanted to see nekkid isn't the half of a half neekid woman that the admin will allow. [Flower]
This thread makes me think:
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF 'SHOPS IN MY DAY, I CAN TELL BY THE PIXELS
H.
DeusExMachina
04-28-2011, 08:19
Shoop da woop.
ChunkyMonkey
04-28-2011, 09:24
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see them put out an obviously altered image just to muddy the water and get us to talk about something other than Obama's record ... or the Fed holding the first press conference in history ... or the fact that the EPA has basically shut down any chance of domestic oil production anytime soon ... or one of a dozen other real problems.
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And at the end, he'll release the hard copy that's the exact same anyway to discredit his opponents as tinfoil birthers.
gcrookston
04-28-2011, 09:33
http://pics.spaceghetto.st/images/donaldddd.jpg
DeusExMachina
04-28-2011, 09:35
http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-unable-to-produce-certificate-proving-hes-no,20250/
Zundfolge
04-28-2011, 09:36
http://www.theonion.com/articles/trump-unable-to-produce-certificate-proving-hes-no,20250/
Ya know when he does release one he'll have the good sense to hire a graphic designer smart enough to FLATEN the damn thing before saving it.
It amazes me how polarized this birther thing is. For me, I figured he wouldn't have made it in the office without that being proven. However, I also have to question why it took over 2 years to produce this. I think something is being hidden but I don't know what and I suspect it might have to do with the fact that his father was listed as African, meaning there could be some question as to the absolute validity of if he is 100% qualified to be president. I figure this might be the case and the Obama team has been dotting their I's and crossing their T's to make sure that if this is challenged that they have a defense. Otherwise, I really don't doubt (very much) that he was born in the USA.
ChunkyMonkey
04-28-2011, 10:41
I am more worried about his loyalty -- knowing how he spent his youth time.
Lex_Luthor
04-28-2011, 10:48
I am more worried about his loyalty -- knowing how he spent his youth time.
+1 exactly. He's spent his time sympathizing with Muslims and apologizing for America being America. So if his loyalties lie elsewhere, and if there's a chance that his birth records are indeed fabricated, then WHAM! Kick him out with a steel toed boot.
Zundfolge
04-28-2011, 11:16
Here's the problem though ... because he stonewalled for so long and now has released an obviously doctored image there is just no way to prove or disprove where he was or was not born.
Unless you found unedited film of him being born on some dirt floored hut in Kenya there is just zero way to prove he WASN'T born in Hawaii ... and the burden of proof lies on the accusers here.
So to continue to hammer this issue publicly is a waste of time (which frankly is why I believe he stonewalled the release of his birth certificate from the get go).
As a technical discussion I enjoyed doing the forensic work on the file, but at this point I don't think it means much.
Now it does bother me that this discussion (and many others in the public discourse) has devolved into name calling ... there is just simply no reason why people that question where he was born should be compared to kooky conspiracy theorists or called racists, or otherwise called names, it is a LEGITIMATE question (just one that I don't think is ever going to be answered).
UberTong
04-28-2011, 11:23
I am more worried about his loyalty -- knowing how he spent his youth time.
Yup
UberTong
04-28-2011, 12:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WJlHfTEvlCY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WJlHfTEvlCY
That's what I mean. This is what is in dispute, but it would be tied up in court so long that BO would have run the course of his presidency by the time it was resolved. This reason is why I think he delayed releasing his birth certificate so long (you can't tell me that the POTUS has to wait 2+ years for Hawaii to give him permission to publish his own long form, that's total BS, I'm sure any Hawaiian resident could get this done in 6 weeks).
That's what I mean. This is what is in dispute, but it would be tied up in court so long that BO would have run the course of his presidency by the time it was resolved. This reason is why I think he delayed releasing his birth certificate so long (you can't tell me that the POTUS has to wait 2+ years for Hawaii to give him permission to publish his own long form, that's total BS, I'm sure any Hawaiian resident could get this done in 6 weeks).
I think it's more about setting a precedent at this point and ensuring this fella doesn't get a shot at a 2nd term where we would see untold damage done w/o the fear of blowing a future election looming over his head. Sure we may not have time to eliminate this tool shed from office before the term expires but 1) it will guarantee a viable Democratic candidate for office (No, I'm not a Dem but I am an American and that's a 2x better chance of getting someone in office who can write this ship) which will force the Republicans to present better candidates as well and 2) it will give us a set of procedures for the next time this situation presents itself that we can refer back to and handle it swiftly and before the damage is already done the way it has been this time.
I'd be more interested in this thread if the topic title was; "Obama death certificate released"
Humor man...humor...not directly wishing this level of ill will on any human...
I'd be more interested in this thread if the topic title was; "Obama death certificate released"
Humor man...humor...not directly wishing this level of ill will on any human...
It'd prolly be a fake too...
[Peep]
I see this getting messy on the political and legal fronts. And really think the next presidential election will be brutal no holds barred even more so than usual.
It seems more logical to spend all these resources and time on fixing something like maybe the dollar weakening daily. Or maybe Sky rocketing consumer good prices. How about Unemployment. Hmm the deficiet. Or how about a .gov that is so divided it is damn near impossible to get anything done like the almost shut down. What do I know I am just a lowly diesel mechanic that lives paycheck to paycheck just so I can repeat the next week.
ghettodub
04-28-2011, 16:10
I totally agree with you. IMO this whole thing has been a waste of time and money...Much bigger issues to deal with...
WellHungSmurf
04-28-2011, 16:16
I see this getting messy on the political and legal fronts. And really think the next presidential election will be brutal no holds barred even more so than usual.
It seems more logical to spend all these resources and time on fixing something like maybe the dollar weakening daily. Or maybe Sky rocketing consumer good prices. How about Unemployment. Hmm the deficiet. Or how about a .gov that is so divided it is damn near impossible to get anything done like the almost shut down. What do I know I am just a lowly diesel mechanic that lives paycheck to paycheck just so I can repeat the next week.
Bingo!! That's all I was saying, people took it the wrong ways. First thread we should all be posting in isn't this omaba thread. It SHOULD be "Washington lower gas prices so food and ammo prices will drop."
Probably someone deceased...
If they weren't before they are now [Pot]
hollohas
05-04-2011, 19:56
I never questioned his US birth until now...Foxtrot these videos clearly show what you are talking about.
Video 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY)- Photoshop layers
Video 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0Tpf1IhxA&feature=related) - regarding optimizing
Video 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eJx7jsPV44&feature=related) - Short form issues
Video 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW_PWzhgvDs&feature=related) - OCR doesn't explain it.
I don't know what I think but these videos really make me question some things. I am going to try all this to confirm when I get home this weekend and have access to my PC with Adobe.
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