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BigMat
05-14-2011, 06:13
Mini rant-

Just watching the news this morning and the Pakistani Parliament is pissed that we went in and killed that Osama turd, now they want to review their relationship with the US and perhaps cut off the supply lines the US uses for Afghanistan.

This was followed up by saying; "the US gives Pakistan BILLIONS in foreign aid every year"


How many countries like this do we give money too! How is it we are looking at cutting money for US education, and US social security and US health care, and US military and paying for theirs! I don’t mind aid to some countries, but if they are taking our money from one side and calling us evil from the other! WHAT THE HELL!?! AND its their freaking parliament, not a bunch of dumb street kids, THEIR PARLIAMENT thinks we are evil, all the way to the bank! WE ARE SUCKERS!


I say the government bounces them the next check, how many people in parliament get reelected if they don’t have our money to spend! And if they feel that way about us, how much our OUR tax money gets, redirected to terrorists over there!

[Bang]

streetglideok
05-14-2011, 06:47
Its not like our country, they wont blame their fellow terrorist err, pakistani. They will say we abandoned them, and we are the great evil power that killed their jesus christ, err bin laden. Then they will want to burn our flag, kill our people, and on and on. Note, if we burn their koran in return, its grounds for nuclear war.

JohnTRourke
05-14-2011, 07:00
fuck pakistan.

here's my aid: <insert picture of smiley with finger which I can't find>

fuck 'em, they made their bed, let them lie in it.

colocowboy01
05-14-2011, 07:23
I bet American's would be pissed if a group of Mexican Army commandos flew across the border and landed outside Raton, New Mexico, stormed a house, killed a drug cartel kingpin, and then splashed the news all over the world. I doubt the American people would thank Mexico for ridding them of a dangerous threat. There would be outrage and shouts about things like: border integrity, national sovereignty, and the danger caused to the residents of Raton and the United States.

Irving
05-14-2011, 07:24
As for which countries do we give aid to? I think all but 5 or 6 of them in the world.

68Charger
05-14-2011, 07:28
I bet American's would be pissed if a group of Mexican Army commandos flew across the border and landed outside Raton, New Mexico, stormed a house, killed a drug cartel kingpin, and then splashed the news all over the world. I doubt the American people would thank Mexico for ridding them of a dangerous threat. There would be outrage and shouts about things like: border integrity, national sovereignty, and the danger caused to the residents of Raton and the United States.


True, but some of that anger would be directed towards our own government if it came out that they knew he was there, and did nothing.

And that there was a group of citizens that were mourning him as some kind of hero...

Mtn.man
05-14-2011, 07:47
Not to Hijack the thread, but there are 192 countries in the world and we give aid to 150, and half don't even like us.
Here's a vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ocVj6UWiDI

TFOGGER
05-14-2011, 09:21
I bet American's would be pissed if a group of Mexican Army commandos flew across the border and landed outside Raton, New Mexico, stormed a house, killed a drug cartel kingpin, and then splashed the news all over the world. I doubt the American people would thank Mexico for ridding them of a dangerous threat. There would be outrage and shouts about things like: border integrity, national sovereignty, and the danger caused to the residents of Raton and the United States.

If we were receiving billions in military and economic aid from Mexico in exchange for our cooperation in apprehending said drug lord, and he was living in a mansion 6 blocks from the local DEA headquarters, don't you think that might change the situation?

The problem we experience in dealing with any of these countries is that we expect them to adhere to Western standards of integrity. They feel no compulsion to keep their word to anyone outside their system of honor. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. That being said, they ARE a nuclear power, so we either have to remove that capability, or deal with them on that basis.

rockhound
05-14-2011, 10:09
mexico wouldn't do that of course, they are perfectly happy having all their drug lords and smugglers and criminal live on our side of the border

besides they wouldn't send their military they would send other criminals,
they have done this in their own country several times.









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Clint45
05-14-2011, 11:53
The thing which makes the Pakistan situation troublesome is they have nukes . . . as does India, who is on their border and with whom we are an ally. There has been friction between Pakistan and India for years, and if this is not handled diplomatically that entire region will literally explode and the radioactive fallout will result in a worldwide catastrophe.

Personally, I think a few tons of VX dumped over their missile silos might do the trick.

Hoosier
05-14-2011, 12:09
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Elhuero
05-14-2011, 12:14
we will be in a war with pakistan within 10 years.

we always end up in wars after democrats have been president.

colocowboy01
05-14-2011, 14:29
we will be in a war with pakistan within 10 years.

we always end up in wars after democrats have been president.

So you are saying that we always end up in wars when republicans are president.

I say we are vote for and get elected a third party candidate so hopefully we will not have to go to war anymore.

Irving
05-14-2011, 15:25
Seems like if we cut them off cold right now, then we can take that same money and put it aside every year until we get into the inevitable war with them. Then the war will already be paid for.

JohnTRourke
05-14-2011, 16:00
pakistan might be at war with itself, but they aren't coming halfway around the world to do it.
and if they go to war with India, isn't that India's problem?

why is everything our problem?

sorry, you hide criminals, you're a criminal too.

fuck pakistan

Ridge
05-14-2011, 16:07
I bet American's would be pissed if a group of Mexican Army commandos flew across the border and landed outside Raton, New Mexico, stormed a house, killed a drug cartel kingpin, and then splashed the news all over the world. I doubt the American people would thank Mexico for ridding them of a dangerous threat. There would be outrage and shouts about things like: border integrity, national sovereignty, and the danger caused to the residents of Raton and the United States.

But Mexico doesn't send us a ton of cash, either...but they do send us a ton of criminals.

Elhuero
05-14-2011, 16:25
So you are saying that we always end up in wars when republicans are president.

I say we are vote for and get elected a third party candidate so hopefully we will not have to go to war anymore.


well, somebody has to fix the mess left by democratic foreign policy.

third party is a pipe dream. we need to unite if we are going to defeat liberal, socialist agenda.

Ridge
05-14-2011, 16:31
well, somebody has to fix the mess left by democratic foreign policy.

third party is a pipe dream. we need to unite if we are going to defeat liberal, socialist agenda.

Yes, by electing a slightly less liberal, socialist Republican.

Rust_shackleford
05-14-2011, 16:45
well, somebody has to fix the mess left by democratic foreign policy.

third party is a pipe dream. we need to unite if we are going to defeat liberal, socialist agenda.
I believe the GOP got us in these endless wars that are bankrupting us while the Federal Reserve funds the Military machine on our backs with interest.
Liberal agenda in which party? Both have fled the Bill of Rights.
Socialism? Like Medicare, Social Security, Public housing, Public Education, Central Banking, Welfare (corporate too), V.A., progressive tax system and many more. I have yet to see either party take a serious step to fixing our past and future socialist programs.
Stop all aid and get this Country off it's knees.
It's time to stop the Party system. George Washington's farewell address covers all the evils we now are involved in.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/farewell/sd106-21.pdf

rondog
05-14-2011, 17:32
fuck pakistan.

here's my aid: <insert picture of smiley with finger which I can't find>

fuck 'em, they made their bed, let them lie in it.

Here ya go, right-click and "save as". http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/smilies/flipoff.gif

rondog
05-14-2011, 17:43
Not to Hijack the thread, but there are 192 countries in the world and we give aid to 150, and half don't even like us.
Here's a vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ocVj6UWiDI

That just blows my mind.....what insanity!!! Why the fuck can't Congress take care of OUR country and people FIRST!?!? Think of what could be done HERE with that money! Hell, HALF that money!

Buzzkill69
05-14-2011, 18:30
Not to Hijack the thread, but there are 192 countries in the world and we give aid to 150, and half don't even like us.
Here's a vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ocVj6UWiDI

You'd think this would be a "No Brainer", that they (congress) would vote on each country as a separate case in the first place. Yet another fail! [Bang]

sniper7
05-14-2011, 18:55
screw em. lets pull all their aid entirely. stop exporting anything to them, stop importing anything from them and see what happens.

Bailey Guns
05-14-2011, 19:13
I bet American's would be pissed if a group of Mexican Army commandos flew across the border and landed outside Raton, New Mexico, stormed a house, killed a drug cartel kingpin, and then splashed the news all over the world. I doubt the American people would thank Mexico for ridding them of a dangerous threat. There would be outrage and shouts about things like: border integrity, national sovereignty, and the danger caused to the residents of Raton and the United States.

Extreme Analogy FAIL.

The United States does not knowingly harbor and protect drug kingpins.
The United States does not receive $2 Billion dollars annually from Mexico in military aid.Although I did get a chuckle out of "Mexican Army Commandos".


"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB

Pakistan is with the terrorists. And they can go piss up a rope with their national sovereignty.

Ridge
05-14-2011, 19:13
screw em. lets pull all their aid entirely. stop exporting anything to them, stop importing anything from them and see what happens.

The only thing we export to them right now are Hellfire missiles.

HBARleatherneck
05-14-2011, 19:45
why do we all of a sudden have a bunch of liberal, illegal loving, anti Amercia fucks on this site. go away. and you know who I mean.

Hoosier
05-14-2011, 20:28
why do we all of a sudden have a bunch of liberal, illegal loving, anti Amercia fucks on this site. go away. and you know who I mean.


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HBARleatherneck
05-14-2011, 20:37
not you.

colocowboy01
05-14-2011, 20:40
why do we all of a sudden have a bunch of liberal, illegal loving, anti Amercia fucks on this site. go away. and you know who I mean.

HBARleatherneck, do you mean me? Don't be scared to call me by name(or user name as the case may be), after all you think I'm a liberal and you probably think liberals are weak. I am not a liberal, I try to love everyone, I am not anti-America(I can even spell America), I am educated, hard working, helpful to others, and God-fearing so therefore I am not a *uck. I will not go away just because you disagree with me.

For someone who is proud enough of being American that you are hateful and scared of other people's ideas that don't line up with your hatred of others, I would think that you could at least show America the honor it is due by spelling its name correctly.

jake
05-14-2011, 20:47
I am not anti-America(I can even spell America)
Touche :D

But seriously, if you're from Colorado and you are into firearms (AR-15s specifically) this isn't really the site for you. Check the url: this is a site for conservatives to gather and bash liberals, Pakistanis and homosexuals. But not cops. Never cops.

colocowboy01
05-14-2011, 20:52
screw em. lets pull all their aid entirely. stop exporting anything to them, stop importing anything from them and see what happens.

Great idea, lets pull our troops and our money out of foreign countries. We will be able to have more money to fix the problems the government has caused domestically and our troops will not be getting blown up by IEDs, and they can finally be with their families.

colocowboy01
05-14-2011, 20:58
Touche :D

But seriously, if you're from Colorado and you are into firearms (AR-15s specifically) this isn't really the site for you. Check the url: this is a site for conservatives to gather and bash liberals, Pakistanis and homosexuals. But not cops. Never cops.

My bad, I thought that since I am a Colorado native and have a few AR-15s I was at the right place. Sorry, I will keep looking for the web forum for Colorado people with AR-15s.
[Tooth]

Byte Stryke
05-14-2011, 21:05
yeah, Drug Kingpin does not equal #1 on Uncle Sam's Shitlist


very weak comparison

colocowboy01
05-14-2011, 21:30
The Pakistani government is upset that the raid took place in their country without their knowledge or permission(granted they would most likely tipped off the people that the SEALs were on the way, i.e. Blackhawk Down), not that bin Ladin was killed in the raid. I was comparing the raids into other sovereign countries, what the Pakistani government is upset about, I was not comparing who got killed or even how much money they get.

Byte Stryke
05-14-2011, 21:42
The Pakistani government is upset that the raid took place in their country without their knowledge or permission(granted they would most likely tipped off the people that the SEALs were on the way, i.e. Blackhawk Down), not that bin Ladin was killed in the raid. I was comparing the raids into other sovereign countries, what the Pakistani government is upset about, I was not comparing who got killed or even how much money they get.



So what you are saying is that all things being unequal they should be the same...?

colocowboy01
05-14-2011, 22:41
So what you are saying is that all things being unequal they should be the same...?

Not at all, I just think that countries, ESPECIALLY AMERICA, should be allowed to be upset when their borders are violated, even if the crossing of the border does a favor for the people of the two countries involved By killing a bad guy.




I will do my best to be more bloodthirsty in any future postings.[Muaha]

Elhuero
05-15-2011, 00:32
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkgox2hYum1qhk2te.png


LOL holy 4chan batman

CMP_5.56
05-15-2011, 01:12
Not at all, I just think that countries, ESPECIALLY AMERICA, should be allowed to be upset when their borders are violated, even if the crossing of the border does a favor for the people of the two countries involved By killing a bad guy.




I will do my best to be more bloodthirsty in any future postings.[Muaha]

A sovereign nation has the right to be pissed off if their borders are crossed. That I will agree with you on. But our country has made it well known that if your country harbors terrorists you are our enemy. Pakistan has withheld Intel from us before. They have been well known to harbor terrorists. This operation had to stay clandestine, and to have talked to them would have made it go south. Point is, they are not our ally, they have never been. Just because a nation in the U.N. doesn't make them an ally. Just makes them less vocal in their hatred for us.

Bailey Guns
05-15-2011, 06:34
The Pakistani government is upset that the raid took place in their country without their knowledge or permission(granted they would most likely tipped off the people that the SEALs were on the way, i.e. Blackhawk Down), not that bin Ladin was killed in the raid. I was comparing the raids into other sovereign countries, what the Pakistani government is upset about, I was not comparing who got killed or even how much money they get.

Don't kid yourself. The Pakistanis knew we were coming or already there. They may not have had all the details (who we were after and where) but they sure as hell knew we were going somewhere. After all, the Blackhawks launched from a Pak military base in Jalalabad.

From CNN:
According to the Pakistani high commissioner to the United Kingdom, Wajid Shamsul Hasan, Pakistan had prior knowledge that an operation would happen. Pakistan was "in the know of certain things" and "what happened, happened with our consent. Americans got to know him—where he was first—and that's why they struck it and struck it precisely."



Husain Haqqani, Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., had said that Pakistan would have pursued bin Laden had the intelligence of his location existed with them and Pakistan was "very glad that our American partners did. They had superior intelligence, superior technology, and we are grateful to them."


Another Pakistani official stated that Pakistan "assisted only in terms of authorization of the helicopter flights in our airspace" and the operation was conducted by the United States. He also said that "in any event, we did not want anything to do with such an operation in case something went wrong."

(Emphasis mine)The point is all the hand-wringing and bitching after the fact is to keep the peace (ha!) internally in Pakistan.

I also think there's ample evidence that plenty of people in Pakistan ARE pissed off that bin Laden was killed. All you have to do is pick up a newspaper to get that information.

So, personally, I'm not buying your assertion that the US violated anyone's sovereignty or national borders or any of the other bullshit you cited. The evidence is overwhelmingly against that theory. And the back-pedaling you're doing know just isn't convincing either.

You made an analogy that was just flat out inappropriate...no two ways about it. Now you want to change your story to fit your perception that the US is the bad guy in this operation.

But I think it's clear:
The US was the good guy in this operation
The US did what needed to be done for the betterment of the rest of the world
Despite their loud protests after the fact people in the Pak gov't had prior knowledge
There is no down side to what was accomplished
This is a great testament to the resolve and capabilities of our armed forces
This is a great morale booster for our armed forces
This will prove to other terror leaders that there is a risk to their activities...even though it may take a while to catch up to them (or, it could be argued, it's even stronger proof of US resolve to make things right even after many years have passed)Despite these things we still have many of our own who piss and moan about imagined violations of "national sovereignty" and "national borders".

And aren't you the one who said something about "lines on a map that were made by people we didn't know" or something to that effect in the thread regarding illegal aliens? I'm too lazy to look up that post for the exact quote but that's the jist of it.

So which is it? Are those lines on a map meaningful or aren't they? You can't have it both ways.

I, for one, am overjoyed at what was accomplished for our country and the world by our SeALs and supporting military units. I don't care what borders they crossed or whose sovereignty they violated...especially in the case of some piece of shit, third-world, terror supporting, terrorist breeding armpit of a country like Pakistan.

Bailey Guns
05-15-2011, 06:46
Ah...here it is:


Sometimes I don't get how someone's standing in law changes just because they crossed a line drawn on a piece of paper by some people we have never seen or met.

Now you're outraged because we crossed one of those "imaginary lines"? What changed your mind?

colocowboy01
05-15-2011, 09:31
Ah...here it is:



Now you're outraged because we crossed one of those "imaginary lines"? What changed your mind?

I am not outraged that we crossed one of those "imaginary lines". I think it is funny that people yell and scream because people crossing our border is an illegal act, but when it is the other way and the US crosses a border, even if we were doing the foreign nation a favor, we are shocked when the other people are upset that we crossed their borders and used military action behind their backs. It is double-minded to me and a double standard.

colocowboy01
05-15-2011, 10:01
Now you want to change your story to fit your perception that the US is the bad guy in this operation.

I have never said that the US was the bad guy in this operation.

Where did I say the US was the bad guy? You make the assertion that I say or have said the US is the bad guy, I have never said anything of the sort, so show me were I said that the US is the bad guy.

It is just your PERCEPTION that I did say the US is the bad guy, because I asked a question from a different perspective then yours instead of immediately jumping up and down filled with blood-lust.

I have never even said the raid was not necessary or a good thing, you just assume that I think and have said such. Once again Buck and you jump to conclusions that I hate America, just because I have a different view then yours and I am not bloodthirsty enough for your tastes.

Irving
05-15-2011, 10:09
Everyone knows why Pakistan is angry; but no one cares.

colocowboy01
05-15-2011, 10:20
A sovereign nation has the right to be pissed off if their borders are crossed. That I will agree with you on.

This is the only point that I was trying to make.

I don't think that on the actual playing field that Pakistan is our ally, even if we are in the UN together. We should get out of the UN and get the UN out of America. The UN is not our ally either.

colocowboy01
05-15-2011, 10:30
Everyone knows why Pakistan is angry; but no one cares.

No doubt.[Beer]

bellavite1
05-15-2011, 10:33
Enough of this bullshit!
Everybody is talking about double standards, whether we are right or wrong, do Pakis have the right to be pissed...
This is not the round table tales fellas, and Osama/Obame sure is no King Arthur.
We are right because we say so.
We don't have to be fair, we have to get the job done.
We get wherever we want and do what we see fit BECAUSE WE CAN.

END OF STORY.
[AH64]

CMP_5.56
05-15-2011, 11:12
Enough of this bullshit!
Everybody is talking about double standards, whether we are right or wrong, do Pakis have the right to be pissed...
This is not the round table tales fellas, and Osama/Obame sure is no King Arthur.
We are right because we say so.
We don't have to be fair, we have to get the job done.
We get wherever we want and do what we see fit BECAUSE WE CAN.

END OF STORY.
[AH64]

Absolutely!

I like how he quoted the one line out of my paragraph that agreed with him. Then ignored the rest.

colocowboy01
05-15-2011, 11:38
But our country has made it well known that if your country harbors terrorists you are our enemy. Pakistan has withheld Intel from us before. They have been well known to harbor terrorists. This operation had to stay clandestine, and to have talked to them would have made it go south. Point is, they are not our ally, they have never been. Just because a nation in the U.N. doesn't make them an ally. Just makes them less vocal in their hatred for us.

We do need to rid the world of terrorist and Pakistan knowningly does harbor terrorist so they are not really our allies in the field, and they hate the US just like every other nation on earth. And, unknown to me but pointed out by others in this forum so do I apparently. I will go take down the American flag in the front yard now since I have found out that I hate America.

Do you need me to also directly quote about the UN part to make you feel validated? Because I can if need be.

Are you happy I have quoted more from you?

CMP_5.56
05-15-2011, 11:59
We do need to rid the world of terrorist and Pakistan knowningly does harbor terrorist so they are not really our allies in the field, and they hate the US just like every other nation on earth. And, unknown to me but pointed out by others in this forum so do I apparently. I will go take down the American flag in the front yard now since I have found out that I hate America.

Do you need me to also directly quote about the UN part to make you feel validated? Because I can if need be.

Are you happy I have quoted more from you?

I was more pointing out your need to validate yourself by quoting only what you saw that I agreed with you on.

I don't need validation from you or a web forum. But your attitude is what has gotten you to this point on this forum. Your tendency to flip flop is what people don't like about you. I could care less if you are a liberal, or whatever the hell you are. Just at least stand firm in your opinions and beliefs.

Elhuero
05-15-2011, 12:27
Enough of this bullshit!
Everybody is talking about double standards, whether we are right or wrong, do Pakis have the right to be pissed...
This is not the round table tales fellas, and Osama/Obame sure is no King Arthur.
We are right because we say so.
We don't have to be fair, we have to get the job done.
We get wherever we want and do what we see fit BECAUSE WE CAN.

END OF STORY.
[AH64]


I agree.

if we're going to be the bad guy, we might as well own the role and start getting some of the benefits.

colocowboy01
05-15-2011, 12:27
I don't think I have flip-flopped on anything. Please show me what it is that I have flip-flopped on so I can see the error of my ways. I believe that I have stood firm on my opinions and beliefs. To me it is others who want borders to be respected until it suits their needs to have other borders not respected. I think that is flip-flopping and a double standard. That is the only thing I was trying to point out with my analogy. I was not saying the raid should not have happened, that we should not go after terrorist, or that the US is the bad guy. I was merely questioning why some borders are to be respected while other borders are not as important. What make the other borders less respectable, is it because they are not our borders and stand in the way of our progress?

I do agree with you the Pakistan is not a true ally of the US. Next time I will try to allude to the entire posts of others instead of one or two sentences.

Bailey Guns
05-15-2011, 12:45
I see you also ignored what I posted re: Pakistan knowing the US was conducting operations. You're still sticking to your assertion the US acted without any warning to Pakistan. I've actually shown you where Pakistani officials have said they knew the US was conducting operations and welcomed those operations.

cc01, I have no doubt you are a patriotic American. I do, however, think you need some real life experience under your belt so you know not only what you believe but why you believe it. I don't know you nor do I know how old you are. But I'm guessing maybe in your early 20s?

I'm also guessing you'll see things a little differently when you're 40 or 50.

No doubt you'd also see things differently if you'd been in the military. Not saying that's a requirement in order to have your opinions, just that it tends to change your perspective on a lot of things.

Byte Stryke
05-15-2011, 12:46
my thing is, we already have military bases and perform ops in western Pakistan.
we already police more countries and support more of them than not.

Its like me taking your Money, having a barbecue in my backyard that you paid for, inviting you to it and the bitching because you are taking out my trash.

It's not like we "went in"
we were already there.

CMP_5.56
05-15-2011, 12:48
I don't think I have flip-flopped on anything. Please show me what it is that I have flip-flopped on so I can see the error of my ways. I believe that I have stood firm on my opinions and beliefs. To me it is others who want borders to be respected until it suits their needs to have other borders not respected. I think that is flip-flopping and a double standard. That is the only thing I was trying to point out with my analogy. I was not saying the raid should not have happened, that we should not go after terrorist, or that the US is the bad guy. I was merely questioning why some borders are to be respected while other borders are not as important. What make the other borders less respectable, is it because they are not our borders and stand in the way of our progress?

I do agree with you the Pakistan is not a true ally of the US. Next time I will try to allude to the entire posts of others instead of one or two sentences.

Pretty simple, we do not harbor terrorists, therefore there is no need to cross our borders without permission. Where as Pakistan does harbor terrorists, and withholds info from us about our sworn enemy. If you refuse to cooperate then we will do what we need to.

You are the devil's advocate guy, you just want to disagree with the majority here to simply disagree. You have no concrete to the things you have brought up, other than saying, "hey look at from their angle". Personally, I don't give a fuck about the view of a country full of people that hate us. Therefore, I will not stop and put myself in their shoes, I have never been in their shoes, have no desire to, and never will.

SO don't say borders don't mean anything, then defend another country's right to be upset about their borders being crossed. All you want is attention, and you will be the voice of dissent on any topic that comes up. At least own it.

Bailey Guns
05-15-2011, 12:59
Now you want to change your story to fit your perception that the US is the bad guy in this operation.
I have never said that the US was the bad guy in this operation.

Where did I say the US was the bad guy? You make the assertion that I say or have said the US is the bad guy, I have never said anything of the sort, so show me were I said that the US is the bad guy.

It is just your PERCEPTION that I did say the US is the bad guy, because I asked a question from a different perspective then yours instead of immediately jumping up and down filled with blood-lust.

I have never even said the raid was not necessary or a good thing, you just assume that I think and have said such. Once again Buck and you jump to conclusions that I hate America, just because I have a different view then yours and I am not bloodthirsty enough for your tastes.

OK. You didn't come out and say, "The US is a bad guy on this deal." But you did say the US is guilty of being "double minded" (not sure what that means) and of operating under a double standard in terms of demanding respect for national borders and sovereignty. Now, I don't know about you, but I never accuse someone in a good or positive way of operating under a double standard regarding a particular circumstance.

I think it's easy to understand why some here, myself included, would accuse you of seeing the US as a bad guy. Basically, it was implicit in your statements.

colocowboy01
05-15-2011, 15:47
Buck, I am not some 20 year old. I am 37 and I do have real world experience under my belt that I draw from and know where my beliefs come from. I have even traveled outside the US and have seen that we do have the most Free country in the world. I just question and try to think differently about the information that the left and right wing media feeds to us to see if there is more to it then we are being told, so I don't have the same opinions as the majority. I will probably see things differently in 3 or 13 years I doubt that I will be less skeptical about everything then I now, but who knows.

I AM NOT FLIP-FLOPPING WITH THIS NEXT STATEMENT, I am acknowledging info new to me per Bailey Guns.

I thought that the raid was launched from Afghanistan across the border into Pakistan, then onto the USS Carl Vinson. That is why I made my analogy about crossing borders. Since the raid did not cross the border into Pakistan but started in Pakistan -per Bailey Guns' info- the point I tried to make is mute. If the raid had started in Afghanistan and crossed into Pakistan, I still stand by my thoughts.

rocktot
05-15-2011, 15:56
We give billions in foreign aid, remember when Bono got Bush to give what, 50 billion to Africa? Alot of it comes back under the table, and the other 20% goes into the current dictators trust fund. Its all a kickback joke, just like leaving the border open is designed to flood us with third world demo-commies, so the 'white' vote will not count in 20 years. Then the NWO can have the un come in and bla bla bla...

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Hoosier
05-15-2011, 16:13
We give billions in foreign aid, remember when Bono got Bush to give what, 50 billion to Africa? Alot of it comes back under the table, [/IMG]

A lot of our foreign aid goes out with stipulations that it be used to buy weapons from US companies. Did you notice the M1-A1 Abrams tanks the Egyptians had on the streets? Or those heavily modified F-16's the Israeli's fly. It's a political win-win; be seen to be supporting foreign countries, and kick back tons of cash to defense contractors, who feed the lobbyists, that grease their hands.

Hell, if that defense contractor opens a plant in their district, then it's a win-win-win for them.

H.

theGinsue
05-15-2011, 17:44
Touche :D

But seriously, if you're from Colorado and you are into firearms (AR-15s specifically) this isn't really the site for you. Check the url: this is a site for conservatives to gather and bash liberals, Pakistanis and homosexuals. But not cops. Never cops.
At least we've got that cleared up.

TFOGGER
05-15-2011, 18:57
Everyone knows why Pakistan is angry; but no one cares.

DINGDINGDING...WE HAVE A WINNNAAAAH