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BPTactical
05-19-2011, 16:09
I didn't get a chance to listen to Obozos entire speech but I heard enough to make me want to puke.
Calling on Israel to give up land such as the Golan Heights, Gaza Strip?
Backing Palestine.
Way to further give the weeny to the Israeli's.
Just who does this guy think he is anyway?
His muslim roots are showing.
I'm incensed. The man is a dickhead.
Let's see, four Arab nations prepared to attack Israel and push the Jews into the Med. The Israelis launched a preemptive air attack and got in the first shot. In the six following days, little Israel kicked the crap out of the Arabs. As always happens in wars there, the UN allowed it to go on until it was clear Israel was going to win big, then they pressured for a ceasefire.
I say, if you lose territory in a war of aggression, you have it coming.
sneakerd
05-19-2011, 16:27
If I was an Israeli leader, I would respond with a call that the USA revert to the borders as they were before the Mexican/American war, thus relinquishing most of Texas back to Mexico.
sneakerd
05-19-2011, 16:29
The point of holding the Golan Heights is as a buffer against future agression. The Golan Heights overlook rich Israeli farmland that can't be defended if Syrian tanks are looking down on you.
spartan1919
05-19-2011, 16:30
Here it comes......Gear up.[Marin1[
clublights
05-19-2011, 16:32
If I was an Israeli leader, I would respond with a call that the USA revert to the borders as they were before the Mexican/American war, thus relinquishing most of Texas back to Mexico.
Obama just thinks ( foolishly..... quite foolishly) that if the Israeli's give back the territory that Hamas and the rest will suddenly start to behave and play peacefully....
tho anyone with brain matter in their skull knows that they never will.
Until "The Jews are erased from the face of the earth" they will never give up.
Obama went to Harvard didn't he? I though that joint was supposed to be good...
Seem's like a major waste of cash to me.. and I only went to public schools...
HBARleatherneck
05-19-2011, 16:36
a better description of the Golan would be...
if we gave the foothills from Clear Creek Canyon to Boulder Canyon to the Taliban. They would have high ground to shell into Denver.
Also Israels water supply is the Jordan and numerous smaller streams. These originate at Mt Hermon and the that vacinity in the Golan.
Haveing been there numerous times, I can tell you that it would never work for Israel.
Also there are actually no pre 1967 borders that are binding. The land never belong to Jordan. They were occupying the land since 1948. But, they had no legal right to do so. So, when Israel kick the Jordanians out in 67, it was as much theirs too keep, as it was Jordans.
Rabbi Kahane had it right.
only a dumbass believes that if Israel gives up every inch of land and moves all its people to America, the mooslims will be happy. They wont. They hate us Jews, and they hate America. Remember the rejoicing in the streets at 9-11. Fuck them all.
sneakerd
05-19-2011, 16:40
Great post.
BPTactical
05-19-2011, 16:46
Netenyahu (sp) is enroute to Washington as we speak, oh to be a fly on the wall when he and Bozo speak.
There is a large APAC meeting on Sunday when both are to speak.
That will be interesting.
Obozo just did his best to piss off every Jew and a large faction of Christians worldwide with this move not to mention the Israelis as a whole.
I wouldn't want the Izzy's pissed at me.
Are we seeing the table set for the second Holocaust?
Obama is an idiot. He just sided with the folks who cheered when 3000 innocent lives were stolen on 9/11/2001.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/rtriems63/soldiers.jpg
Obama sided with people who value death more than life.
Obama is an idiot. He just sided with the folks who cheered when 3000 innocent lives were stolen on 9/11/2001.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/rtriems63/soldiers.jpg
Obama sided with people who value death more than life.
Both sides are guilty of this, and much more:
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HBARleatherneck
05-19-2011, 17:14
i can allways count on you.
I blame Moses...If he'd turned left instead of right, we Jews would have got the oil, and the Arabs would have got the sand....[LOL]
Both sides are guilty of this, and much more:
Funny, I don't hear about Israeli homicide bombers running into Palestinian markets and murdering women and children.
I don't hear about random rocket attacks by Israel on Palestinians. Israel responds to these attacks but Israel is rarely the instigator. If Israel instigates it is in response to an accumulation of things Hamas or Hezbollah did.
I don't hear about Israeli's taking Palestinian children hostage and then murdering them.
Only one side is guilty, the Palestinian terrorists. The only good Palestinian is a dead one.
argonstrom
05-19-2011, 18:24
Funny, I don't hear about Israeli homicide bombers running into Palestinian markets and murdering women and children.
I don't hear about random rocket attacks by Israel on Palestinians. Israel responds to these attacks but Israel is rarely the instigator. If Israel instigates it is in response to an accumulation of things Hamas or Hezbollah did.
I don't hear about Israeli's taking Palestinian children hostage and then murdering them.
Only one side is guilty, the Palestinian terrorists. The only good Palestinian is a dead one.
Truth.
look if you don't want to support israel thats cool, everyone has different opinions and over the years israel hasn't been completely innocent (although i still support them). but to think that giving the palestinians more land will solve the problem is just plain stupidity. i mean how can anyone thing that way and say they know about foreign policy?
HBARleatherneck
05-19-2011, 18:31
here is Israels partner for peace. yah right. these people dont want peace. they manipulate their people with hate. the idiots in charge of the Palestinian authority dont care about their people. they only care about hate and they have no desire to live side by side in peace. its so sad.
'New PA law to grant all convicted terrorists monthly pay'
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF (jpostcolumns@gmail.com)
05/20/2011 02:27
Those eligible include planners of suicide bombings, Palestinian Media Watch says in urging donor countries to stop funding PA.
A new Palestinian Authority law grants a monthly salary to all Palestinians and Israeli-Arabs (http://newstopics.jpost.com/topic/Arab_citizens_of_Israel) imprisoned in Israel for terrorism, a media watchdog says in a report being released on Friday.
While Palestinian car thieves in Israeli prisons will not receive a salary, Hamas and Fatah terrorist killers will, the Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) report says.
RELATED:
US Senators ask Clinton to help end anti-Israel incitement (http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=214462)
Lieberman accuses PA of incitement to terror (http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=212291)
Let’s stop pretending (http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=212000)
Those serving sentences of more than 20 years will receive higher salaries, according to the new PA law. Salaries are to be paid from the day of arrest until release.
The PMW report points out that more than 6,000 Palestinians are currently serving time in Israeli prisons for terror- related offenses.
Among those now eligible for salaries are Abdullah Barghouti, serving 67 life sentences for acts that include planning the Sbarro restaurant (2001) and Moment cafe (2002) suicide bombings in Jerusalem (http://newstopics.jpost.com/topic/Jerusalem); Hassan Salameh, serving 38 life sentences for offenses that include planning a series of 1996 bus bombings; and Jamal Abu al-Hijja, serving nine life sentences for planning 2005 bombings in Hadera and Netanya.
The new PA law stipulates that payment “will be implemented...on the basis of available sources of funding.”
Accordingly, when the PA is short of cash, salaries to the prisoners will be cut, said PMW.
Such direct aid to the PA could be part of the “available sources” for terrorist salaries or could free money elsewhere in the PA budget that could be used for these salaries, the report says.
The new law was enacted before the recent Fatah-Hamas reconciliation agreement and was published in the official PA Registry on April 13, 2011.
The law includes:
• A monthly salary “to provide for the needs of prisoners within Israeli prisons”
• Additional benefits for released prisoners
• Additional benefits for prisoners’ families
• Funding “for the prisoners’ legal needs.”
Hundreds of Palestinian prisoners are serving multiple lifesentences for murder and will receive a PA salary, which goes directly to the terrorist or the terrorist’s family.
All of these prisoners, no matter what their crime or affiliation, will receive the same base salary. Married prisoners will also receive additional pay, as well as those with children.
Arabs from Jerusalem and Israeli-Arabs imprisoned for terror offenses will get an additional supplement of NIS 300 and NIS 500, respectively.
The PMW report quotes an article in a PA newspaper that explained that the new law offered prisoners a series of privileges, including exemption from tuition fees at government schools and universities, if the inmate serves five years or more in prison.
In addition, the law states that a prisoner’s children will be exempt from 80 percent of their academic tuition fees if the prisoner was sentenced to at least 20 years and has been in prison for at least five.
Every released prisoner will be exempt from government health insurance if he served at least five years in prison, while female prisoners will be exempt for serving at least three, according to the law.
PMW warned that funding to the PA by donor nations could enable the payment of the salaries.
“This is not just about funding,” Itamar Marcus (http://newstopics.jpost.com/topic/Itamar_Marcus) and Nan Jacques Zilberdik of the media watchdog group said in a statement.
“This is about what the PA is, and what they stand for. We feel the US and EU should be reevaluating not just their funding, but their entire relationship with the PA.”
Marcus and Zilberdik said that while donor countries have “carefully created laws to prevent their money from supporting PA incitement and terror,” they have been lax in adhering to these laws.
“Paying salaries to imprisoned terrorists is just one example of how the PA uses its budget to support and glorify violence, thereby violating the intentions of its donors,” they charged. “As long as the donor countries continue to support the PA budget – ignoring what the budget as a whole is funding – they are directly responsible for the continuation of PA hate incitement and terror glorification.”
In 2004, the PA defined by law exactly who would be considered a prisoner as “anyone imprisoned in the occupation’s [Israel’s] prisons as a result of his participation in the struggle against the occupation.”
The PA’s Ministry for Prisoner Affairs said Thursday that its policy had always been to pay salaries to prisoners and their families “regardless of their political affiliations.”
The ministry said it was unaware of any new law concerning salaries of prisoners and their families. It said, however, that the PA government had in recent years taken a number of decisions to raise the salaries of the prisoners and their family members.
The ministry pointed out that the PA had been paying salaries to prisoners since its establishment in 1994.
Seamonkey
05-19-2011, 18:52
Is this the raptor test Saturday?
[Stooge]
BPTactical
05-19-2011, 19:21
Excellent post HBAR- it really helps put some things in perspective.
I respect the hell out of the Jewish people and Israel. All they have ever wanted is a home. I am not an overly religious man so I may be missing something but I have never understood the hatred for the Jewish faith and people. Every Jewish person I have dealt with has been a decent and respectful person.
To quote Will Geer in Jeremiah Johnson: " You have done well to keep so much hair, when so many are after it"
Stay strong Israel
Civilized countries prosecute terrorists and murderers.
Palestinians reward them.
Obama and his dumbass followers don't see any problem with rewarding murderers. Ayers is a terrorist and Ayers is one of Obama's mentors so it would follow that Obama would support the Palestinians, Hamas, and Hezbollah.
You can tell a lot about someone by the people they hang with, support, and try to curry favor with.
Hoosier, who are you currying favor with?
Another image that accurately portrays the 2 sides in question here.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/rtriems63/axisvsallieds.jpg
BPTactical
05-19-2011, 19:51
Another image that accurately portrays the 2 sides in question here.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/rtriems63/axisvsallieds.jpg
Inaccurate image Robert-
The Palestinian woman does not have a bomb vest.[Tooth]
Inaccurate image Robert-
The Palestinian woman does not have a bomb vest.[Tooth]
LOL [ROFL1] Neither does the baby.
Only one side is guilty, the Palestinian terrorists. The only good Palestinian is a dead one.
The logic here... if this logic is valid, then you're saying anytime enough people from one group do enough bad to another, they are all fair game. Right? Some Palestinians have killed Israelis, therefore all Palestinians should die.
Now if you're going to accept that logic as sound, can you think of ways it could be applied, from the perspective of other people, in a way that would make you unhappy?
For example, if some Iraqi had his entire family murdered by Americans, is he justified in applying this logic to think all Americans should die? It's the same logic set, just different actors.
Can you find a way to invalidate the logic such that you're OK with the concept regardless of the participants? If not, are you OK with logic that doesn't work in all scenarios?
BTW, it's called Collective Punishment and is a war crime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_punishment
H.
Hoosier, who are you currying favor with?
Well, it certainly doesn't appear to be the members of this board, does it?
Edit: and for the record, I'm not saying Hamas is a bunch of good people or anything, they've broken far more war crimes laws than the IDF every day of the week. Israel just can't be treated as sacrosanct in the behavior of the IDF, if you want to talk honestly about what's been going on over there.
H.
The logic here... if this logic is valid, then you're saying anytime enough people from one group do enough bad to another, they are all fair game. Right? Some Palestinians have killed Israelis, therefore all Palestinians should die.
Winner! You win the award for the dumbest thing I've read today.
No one, and I mean no one, not here in the states nor in Israel, is suggesting that all Palestinians should die. Where did you get such a muddleheaded idea? If the Arabs would leave Israel alone, they would sit quietly and enjoy the land they carved from the desert. Every war Israel has fought has been a defensive war, they are not aggressors. All they want is to be left alone in peace.
Winner! You win the award for the dumbest thing I've read today.
I totally agree, that's also the stupidest thing I read all day. I didn't say it, I'm quoting roberth in post #15 in this thread. That logic breaks my head, and I wanted to understand how someone would say it. Perhaps he was being flippant.
H.
Well, it certainly doesn't appear to be the members of this board, does it?
Edit: and for the record, I'm not saying Hamas is a bunch of good people or anything, they've broken far more war crimes laws than the IDF every day of the week. Israel just can't be treated as sacrosanct in the behavior of the IDF, if you want to talk honestly about what's been going on over there.
H.
I KNOW that if the IDF was committing absolutely anything even remotely questionable it would be splashed on the front page of every news source in this country. The press will take and has taken every opportunity that has been presented to denigrate Israel and her efforts to protect her people.
You don't know the meaning of the word 'honesty' and I bet you had to look it up to know how to spell it.
I KNOW that if the IDF was committing absolutely anything even remotely questionable it would be splashed on the front page of every news source in this country. The press will take and has taken every opportunity that has been presented to denigrate Israel and her efforts to protect her people.
As for the media being anti-Israeli, didn't Helen Thomas get booted pretty fast for saying something anti-Israeli?
Ad hominem attack, now we're having fun right? When you start getting personal, I'm out. Enjoy.
H.
I wrote this and I meant it with all of my heart.
The only good Palestinian is a dead one
I made this statement remembering the images I saw of Palestinians in the streets cheering the deaths of 3000 people on 9/11/2001.
I made this statement remembering that the Palestinian people overwhelmingly supported Hamas by voting Hamas as their ruling government. Hamas which as part of their charter has vowed the complete and utter destruction of Israel.
I made this statement remembering the thousands of civilians that Palestinian terrorists and their cohorts in Al Quaida, PLO, Black September, et al have murdered in Israel and around the globe.
Now I'll change my mind if someone can find one that has done anything besides promote the destruction of Israel or find one that sides with Israel in the conflict or one that sides with the United States in the War on Terror.
BPTactical
05-19-2011, 22:32
Helen Thomas got the boot for both anti Semetic and anti Israel statements.
I really don't see much difference compared to what the POTUS said today albeit his was slightly more subtle.
It is appalling that our "elected leader" is embracing countries that attempt to settle their differences by detonating explosives in public places and killing innocents. His statements in regards to Syria's president, to either embrace democracy or leave. Turning his back on who has been a staunch allie, Israel.
He is encouraging violence in the middle east and inflaming what tensions already exist.
Regardless of what you feel in regards to the Israel/Palestine issue his statements today are inflammatory and shameful.
He is not worthy of leading this country.
I cannot reconcile the killing of bin Laden, the booting of Thomas, and the support of the Palestinians, Syria, and Jordan.
Bin Laden and Thomas stood against Israel so why move them out of the way when you are going to embrace the closest geographic enemies of Israel.
Did bin Laden and Thomas outlive their usefulness?
I am having trouble with my statement. I mean they can't all be evil can they?
The only good Palestinian is a dead one
I am going to see if I can retract it after I do some research. This is going to be difficult because so much of Palestinian culture as revolves around the "occupation by Zionists" and the eradication of Israel.
I firmly believe that if the Palestinians and their handlers would leave Israel alone there wouldn't be any conflict at all.
HBARleatherneck
05-20-2011, 06:55
there never existed a country of "palestine" a region perhaps. no government existed. no country of palestine. the area was a dump. no resources, no water, no nothing. Israel made it what it is today. Israel was partitioned in 1948. Land for arabs, and land for Jews. The arabs told their people to leave. Many did. Jews were kicked out of arab countries and never given compensation for their homes and businesses.
arabs have been on the UN tit for 60 years getting money for being displaced.
ass a fat (arafat) was given multiple chances at a country for the palis. even when Clinton was in office. But, he did not want one. he wanted all the land. and no Jews in it. so they have had plenty of chances to show they wanted peace, and have never wanted it.
Jordan is the palestinian country. Jordan was given to Israel. Then taken away and given to the sheikh who wanted it. then became jordan. this took the majority or the land away from Israel. Then the palis want whats left too? fuck em. boot em out and send them to either jordan or egypt. then Israel could actually secure its own country from within.
arabs cause the conflict. from with in the palestinian terror tories and from saudi, egypt, syria, iran, lebanon, etc. they perpetuate the myth and perpetuate the hate. they instill in their people hate for Israel, America and Jews from the cradle to the grave.
When Israel unilaterly gave up gaza, there were many many wonderful green houses and farms. the arabs immediately destroyed all of it. even someone with a low iq would have taken free stuff and put it to good use. not the palis. they just destroyed it.
I have read a lot of interesting and well thought out statements so far, I'm just surprised that no one has brought up the temple mount. Doesn’t matter what concessions Israel makes they will never give up the mount, unfortunately nether will the pali's.
My own belief is that the pali's have not an ounce of claim to the mount, since the Muslim "belief" is based and younger than even Christianity and both are some what sects of Judaism then what right do they have?
They took advantage of a plundered Jewish period and like through out history the Jews tried to make it work because at least they still had a foot in the holy land excuse me THE PROMISED LAND. So though out history the Jews just rolled with the punches trying to be as peaceful as possible until ww2 after that it was a collective thought between God and The Jews for them to return to the land that they had been scattered from.
They took back that land by force and the rest of the world watched for the first time in modern era the Israelis fight for land, it seems to me that the rest of the Middle Eastern world and some outside of it resented the fact that they did raise arms and took back what was theirs to begin with.
Depending on your views it won’t get any better and in fact will get much much worse. But there is hope, just not from the Obozo.
Pancho Villa
05-20-2011, 16:55
It used to be, if a bunch of bad people controlled a place and a country's military had to go in and clean the bastards out, any innocent deaths were held to be the fault of the bad people, for starting shit in the first place.
A shame how we've gone backward, ethically. Now Israel must fear "innocent deaths" and being held responsible for it, rather than Hamas, who initiates hostilities constantly.
Anyway, way to throw the only semi-reasonable state in the mideast (that counts Iraq and Afghanistan, as I don't count any country with Islam as the state religion written into its constitution as at all reasonable) under the bus.
This arab spring is looking to be a repeat of 1967. With any luck, the results will be similarly decisive and the aura of invincibility that Israel has been busy pissing away these last ten years or so will be restored.
BPTactical
05-20-2011, 17:01
Oh to be a fly on the wall in the white house today.
I read the public statements regarding the meeting of Netenyahu(sp) and Oblunder. It sounds as if Oblunder was basically told to pack sand on his 67 border plan.
We can only hope that privately he got ranked and knocked down a notch.
Pancho Villa
05-20-2011, 17:06
Oh to be a fly on the wall in the white house today.
I read the public statements regarding the meeting of Netenyahu(sp) and Oblunder. It sounds as if Oblunder was basically told to pack sand on his 67 border plan.
We can only hope that privately he got ranked and knocked down a notch.
Link?
CrufflerSteve
05-20-2011, 17:25
I'm not sure of all this outrage. It seems mostly manufactured by a bunch of people looking for a fight. You cannot say too many bad things about Obama but he does know how to talk. He knows how to say something that sounds like something but parses to nothing.
Most of the hard-care pro-Israeli people aren't upset. Even Abe Foxman isn't. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/adls-abraham-foxman-obama-didnt-throw-israel-under-the-bus/2011/03/03/AFV3Rv7G_blog.html. He's head of the Anti-Defamation League and never been shy about climbing in anybody's face where Israel is concerned.
The little phrases about security mean everything when Hamas is involved. They will never support Israel's right to exist and while they are a major player there is no game, just a stalemate.
I just don't see this dog hunting.
There are reasonable Palestinians. There even used to be a sizable Christian minority. They are mostly here leaving the homicidal loonies in charge. After Israel won in 48, a sensible part of the world would have taken the refugees and settled them somewhere. That's what happened to the few million ethnic Germans and others after WWII. Unfortunately, this is the Middle East and we had the UN to be helpful so we ended up with eternal refugees and people whose job it is to keep them living in squalid shanty towns where the greatest ambition is to be a suicide bomber.
Steve
CMP_5.56
05-20-2011, 17:26
No matter what your personal belief system is, you have to respect that Israel is a nation of God's chosen people. They have been beaten down over and over again throughout history, and have always come back to kick serious ass. I for one want them on our side, and Obozo wants them destroyed from what I can tell. An entire race of people that believe they are God's chosen people is a powerful one and one I will continue to back personally.
Netanyahu's response to Obama's suggestion:
English to Hebrew translation
לך תזדיין, אתה אידיוט
copy and paste into a google translate window...
mcantar18c
05-20-2011, 18:31
Netanyahu's response to Obama's suggestion:
English to Hebrew translation
לך תזדיין, אתה אידיוט
copy and paste into a google translate window...
Ya know, there's actually no real Hebrew word/phrase for that? There's the "standardized" way people say it, derived from other languages, but the closest purely Hebrew equivalent translates something along the lines of comparing you to a potato cause you are "of the dirt."
colocowboy01
05-20-2011, 23:28
Hoosier, don't you know we kill everyone who isn't us? [Flame]
Ya know, there's actually no real Hebrew word/phrase for that? There's the "standardized" way people say it, derived from other languages, but the closest purely Hebrew equivalent translates something along the lines of comparing you to a potato cause you are "of the dirt."
I flunked Hebrew school in the 4th grade....and that particular phrase wasn't even part of the curriculum... [ROFL2]
daddygat
05-27-2011, 17:31
With more than 250 plus Nukes in their arsenal at DIMONA the zionist don't have much to worry about.
"SPEAK SOFTLY AND CARRY A BIG NUKE"
rockhound
05-27-2011, 23:33
obama has been throwing them under the bus since he took office, this should not come as a surprise to any of us.
his foreign policy is crap. he has managed to kiss our enemies butts and turn our allies into enemies at every turn.
i have no love for israel, but I recognize a stand up ally when i see one. Israel would have leveled palestine years ago had the US not stepped in and asked them to make peace. israel has been playing the US politics to their own detriment for years.
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