Pay Pal banned me!

[bellavite1]

[Rant1]So they "limited permanently" my account for a firearm transaction...
I know, I should have not etc.etc.
So now what can I do?
Has anybody else been through this and got it resolved?
Any advice?

[HBARleatherneck]

if you have to use it, open an account in the wifes name.

then be discreet.

[Byte Stryke]

and people wonder why I Despise Paypal...

So how much did they seize?

[alxone]

so they took all your money or just kicked you out ??

[Guylee]

and people wonder why I Despise Paypal...

So how much did they seize?

Same here. One of those things that society relies on far too heavily.

[Byte Stryke]

I have had friends and colleagues get their bank accounts seized and funds locked for "allegedly" selling firearms...

Im not talking about a few hundred dollars either.
I am talking about Business closing amounts... for years.
ask any small business if they can afford to lose their current monetary assets.

you close the doors and cry.

[Hoser]

Never again use them. Ever.

[twitchyfinger]

Same thing happened to me over ten years ago and I have been anti "PAL PAL" ever since. The more that choose not to use their service the better.

Most easily put: F*&K PAY PAL!

[blacklabel]

They shut me down as well and took about 4 months to give me my $20 dollars back.

You won't be able to open an account with them again using the same information.

Find alternative means to pay.

[car-15]

i've can't say i've used them for firearms, but I've bought alot of "books" and "magazines" using pp. [NoEvil]

[AR_ART]

I've used them for years with great success. I follow the rules and set-up a separate bank account for transactions.

In this account I keep a minimum balance of 20 bucks. That way if they screw up I've only got 20 bucks tied up. But I've used them since they started and never had an issue.

[scratchy]

i've can't say i've used them for firearms, but I've bought alot of "books" and "magazines" using pp. [NoEvil]

"Misc Parts, Household and gift" are what I spend the bulk of Pay Pal transactions on. I never leave anything in the account and only use a CC to pay.

[Rust_shackleford]

FtPP

[Rant1]So they "limited permanently" my account for a firearm transaction...
I know, I should have not etc.etc.
So now what can I do?
Has anybody else been through this and got it resolved?
Any advice?

[Hoosier]

bitcoin.org and other new math-based currencies are sure going to be interesting. I think the government(s) will try to block or axe them, it could be so disruptive to their monopoly on taxing the living.

dwolla.com is a method of getting USD into and out of the various bitcoin exchanges.

H.

[Ah Pook]

How did they know what the purchase was for?

[bellavite1]

How did they know what the purchase was for?
BECAUSE THE RETARD THAT BOUGHT THE RIFLE, EVEN THOUGH I WARNED HIM SEVERAL TIMES TO BE DISCREET AND WHY, JUST HAD TO MAKE AN FFL REFERENCE IN THE MESSAGE FIELD OF THE PAYMENT FORM!!![Rant2]
Sorry...

[CrufflerSteve]

BECAUSE THE RETARD THAT BOUGHT THE RIFLE, EVEN THOUGH I WARNED HIM SEVERAL TIMES TO BE DISCREET AND WHY, JUST HAD TO MAKE AN FFL REFERENCE IN THE MESSAGE FIELD OF THE PAYMENT FORM!!![Rant2]
Sorry...

Ouch! I know sellers on Gunbroker do deals where both sides have to be discreet in messages. I avoid those and use a cashier's check since if a tricksy paypal deal goes south how do you dispute it? Sorry you dealt with a dumbass. I assume he's also been given a timeout.

Steve

[Ah Pook]

What a dumbass. Nice to know transactions are confidential. [Roll1]

[cysoto]

Then there was GunPal (now doing business as GPal) who turned out to be operated by crooks!

This is why I prefer to only take payment via USPS Money Order or cash (if FTF). If the buyer cannot find time to get to the Post Office and doesn't want to spend the $1.85 (or whatever it is these days) for a USPS MO, I have no desire to do business with them.

People who choose to do firearms transactions through PayPal need to understand the meaning of the word "discreet". It's too bad that your buyer was not smart enough to figure it out.

[CrufflerSteve]

Then there was GunPal (now doing business as GPal) who turned out to be operated by crooks!

This is why I prefer to only take payment via USPS Money Order or cash (if FTF). If the buyer cannot find time to get to the Post Office and doesn't want to spend the $1.85 (or whatever it is these days) for a USPS MO, I have no desire to do business with them.

People who choose to do firearms transactions through PayPal need to understand the meaning of the word "discreet". It's too bad that your buyer was not smart enough to figure it out.

I am fond of cashier's checks. When I turned 55 my bank started letting me get them with no fees. I'm willing to let the seller take a few days to make sure it is real. Cashier's checks, along with USPS money orders have been counterfeited. The last USPS money order for a decent amount I got cost way more than $1.85. If the seller insists on USPS money orders I avoid them or lowball. Some forums require payment to be sent by mail with tracking and such and I don't even look at those marketplaces unless it is something rare I need.

Steve

[Ah Pook]

What's wrong with money orders other than the USPS? The local grocery store has MOs and is across the street. Never had a problem with cashing them. For me, the USPS is a special trip, wait in line and deal with a "useless sack of dog excrement"USPS worker. I've delt with people who only wanted WalMart MOs. What gives? :D

[cysoto]

If the seller insists on USPS money orders I avoid them or lowball. Some forums require payment to be sent by mail with tracking and such and I don't even look at those marketplaces unless it is something rare I need.
Steve,

You make a really good and valid point. I agree with you when you say that, on occasions, we have to be willing to walk away from a transaction.

Sometimes either the seller or the buyer (or both) are so eager to make the transaction that they may fall victim to someone who is willing to take advantage. The old mantra: "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is too good to be true" still holds water these days.

[cysoto]

What's wrong with money orders other than the USPS?
Counterfeiting a USPS MO is a Federal Offense and prosecutable by the Postal Inspectors Service. A counterfeit Safeway or Walmart MO is investigated by the local authorities who, unless we are talking about a significant quantity of money, will not even take your case.

The good news is that the majority of the people who we will deal with in our lives are good folks. It is a few bad apples that ruin it for everyone else.

[68Charger]

What I find humorous, and ironic is that many will bash PayPal, while in the same ad, request only to be paid by USPS money order...

like the USPS isn't anti-gun?
it's just not a violation of their terms to use it to pay for them...

I get why USPS MO's are safer, but just chuckle to myself...

I've also bought baseball cards from certain suppliers online- they can vary wildly in value.

[cysoto]

like the USPS isn't anti-gun?

Why do you label the USPS as anti-gun?

[Hoser]

like the USPS isn't anti-gun? it's just not a violation of their terms to use it to pay for them...

I have shipped/received many firearms via USPS and used Postal Money Orders to pay for guns and gun stuff. I have also shipped lots and lots of pistol and rifle brass in flat rate boxes. No issues, ever.

Banks can access the USPS Money order site and verify that a Postal MO is actually good and not a counterfeit.

And if you lose a Postal MO, getting a replacement is not a huge pain.

I would not piss on paypal if it was on fire.

[68Charger]

Why do you label the USPS as anti-gun?


violation of federal law to carry a firearm on their property.
They don't allow handguns to be shipped via them by "non-licensed" individuals, either...

I did say it's >not< a violation of their terms- but they're certainly NOT pro-gun...

and maybe I'd be more opinionated if I'd had problems with Paypal- but I've been cautious- and rarely accept money using them, it's usually because the seller preferred them.

ETA: perhaps it's flawed logic, since the USPS is just following Federal law, but I'll still chuckle...

[cysoto]

violation of federal law to carry a firearm on their property.
You are most certainly correct, but 18 USC 930 applies to most Federal Buildings, not just the USPS.


They don't allow handguns to be shipped via them by "non-licensed" individuals, either...
This is also true but, in essence, not far from UPS and FedEx policies which obligate the shipper of a firearm to overnight their package which translates into paying up the yin-yang for this service.

In all honesty, most times it is cheaper to pay an FFL dealer their service fee and have them mail a firearm for you than it is to pay UPS directly. Nonetheless, I certainly understand your sentiment.

[johngraves2]

Why do you label the USPS as anti-gun?


First thing i thought of was the joke "going-postal"

maybe that is why they are anti-gun[ROFL1][ROFL2][ROFL3]

[CrufflerSteve]

At least the USPS gun regulations are somewhat understandable. USPS is generally more expensive with insurance but you can't beat their flat rate priority for shipping brass & bullets.

UPS is pretty reasonable about shipping and insurance rates. Other than breaking and losing things they are the easiest to work with.

FedEx are the total asshats here. They have badly written rules that give an anti clerk all sorts of power to screw with customers. I've had the 'only FFL dealer to FFL dealer' quoted a few times. Another one is not recognizing antiques as different from modern guns. My favorite is where when a non-licensee or non dealer FFL is shipping a gun it must be 'disabled so it would require a gunsmith' to make it operational, even an antique. I've had this quoted to me in Englewood and in Colorado Springs and they can never find it in their regs but that's the rule. They are the most anti-gun group of the 3 shippers. They just prefer to work with dealers and hate individuals, even C&R FFL's.

Steve

[Clint45]

What's wrong with money orders other than the USPS? The local grocery store has MOs and is across the street. Never had a problem with cashing them.

Well, to give you one example, after specifically requesting a USPS MO some guy mailed me a Western Union MO instead. So I take it to Western Union to redeem it and they flat out refused to accept it because so many of their MOs had been counterfeited. I ended up needing to deposit it in my bank and waited over a week for it to clear. It was good, and I got the money, but that was a huge hassle.