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UberTong
06-03-2011, 10:04
Now before everyone starts calling me panama red...I have a friend who is both an avid 2nd ammendment supporter but also has his medical marijuana card here in Colorado. He wanted to buy a new weapon the other day, but had heard some conflicting stories about the feds cross referencing that information etc...anyone know anything about this?
Where is the hippie emoticon with a doobie?
I have heard that you'll fail NCIC.
This has been brought up a few times on here, but we never get a solid answer. I seriously doubt the Fed's cross reference anything.
UberTong
06-03-2011, 10:10
Yep thats what he heard as well, thanks for the input.
UberTong
06-03-2011, 10:12
This has been brought up a few times on here, but we never get a solid answer. I seriously doubt the Fed's cross reference anything.
Whew, I thought I would be outkast as a hippie for sure. [Help]
Ya, I don't know what to tell him...I guess for safety and privacy concerns he could just buy private party. I told him I find it hard to believe they are going to cross reference that or come back later and say something as he heard from another source.
According to the 4473, question 11e, he would have to answer "yes" as Fed govt sill considers MMJ an illegal substance. If he answered "no," he could be convicted of perjury (felony). How would anyone know? If when the gun shop closed & turned their records in to ATF & shows he purchased a firearm on day/month/year and had a MMJ card prior to that date, it's a slam dunk conviction for them. I have asked CBI about this situitation (ATF just refers you to CBI as they do the bg check) and they do not have a database of MMJ card holders, yet. Future plans of this were implied, making MMJ card holders prohibited from purchasing a new firearm.
Your friend is also prohibited from being in posession of a firearm while medicated, according to CRS. This time frame is questionable as it depends on what test is used. Either way, meds=no guns. pick one.
HBARleatherneck
06-03-2011, 10:35
wow the demographics have changed, dope smokers, video gamers, wow.
68Charger
06-03-2011, 10:35
This has been brought up a few times on here, but we never get a solid answer. I seriously doubt the Fed's cross reference anything.
I'd agree with this statement, but remember that CBI does background checks here in Colorado... the could check the Fed NCIC database, but they could check State databases as well.
I've also heard rumor that it will get you denied, but no 1st hand experience (nor 2nd or 3rd either, for that matter)
DeusExMachina
06-03-2011, 10:39
According to the 4473, question 11e, he would have to answer "yes" as Fed govt sill considers MMJ an illegal substance. If he answered "no," he could be convicted of perjury (felony). How would anyone know? If when the gun shop closed & turned their records in to ATF & shows he purchased a firearm on day/month/year and had a MMJ card prior to that date, it's a slam dunk conviction for them. I have asked CBI about this situitation (ATF just refers you to CBI as they do the bg check) and they do not have a database of MMJ card holders, yet. Future plans of this were implied, making MMJ card holders prohibited from purchasing a new firearm.
Your friend is also prohibited from being in posession of a firearm while medicated, according to CRS. This time frame is questionable as it depends on what test is used. Either way, meds=no guns. pick one.
This.
I wouldn't do it.
UberTong
06-03-2011, 10:41
According to the 4473, question 11e, he would have to answer "yes" as Fed govt sill considers MMJ an illegal substance. If he answered "no," he could be convicted of perjury (felony). How would anyone know? If when the gun shop closed & turned their records in to ATF & shows he purchased a firearm on day/month/year and had a MMJ card prior to that date, it's a slam dunk conviction for them. I have asked CBI about this situitation (ATF just refers you to CBI as they do the bg check) and they do not have a database of MMJ card holders, yet. Future plans of this were implied, making MMJ card holders prohibited from purchasing a new firearm.
Your friend is also prohibited from being in posession of a firearm while medicated, according to CRS. This time frame is questionable as it depends on what test is used. Either way, meds=no guns. pick one.
Thanks Colo, great info. Appreciate it.
wow the demographics have changed, dope smokers, video gamers, wow.
This wasn't the intent of the thread. People have smoked dope long before this thread and always will. My buddy had a broken back and many complications afterwards. He refuses to take painkillers like the oxycontin they prescribed him, because he lost a family member to it. So lets not go there and say 'oh dope smokers', is he less than the guy who is hooked on 'legal prescription heroin'? Hatin on video gamers too? Keeps me out of the bars...
DeusExMachina
06-03-2011, 10:43
wow the demographics have changed, dope smokers, video gamers, wow.
Surprise surprise, generations get older...
People from all walks of life, appreciating and embracing their rights, is how it's supposed to be.
ghettodub
06-03-2011, 11:32
People from all walks of life, appreciating and embracing their rights, is how it's supposed to be.
/nod
HBARleatherneck
06-03-2011, 11:43
i wasnt condeming you hippy gamers. i just didnt realize so many dope smokers were gun owners. and i thought kids grew out of games when they got to be adults. i have never played any of those games. although i did buy a wii for when my oldest daughter comes over. all we have is wii sports. and it sits idle about 340 days a year. i cant get into it. it never occured to me to play violent role playing games. all i was saying is it used to be guys who owned guns, hunted, fished, mowed their lawns, worked on their American made cars. now back to your mari juana conversation.
and i dont think its about age. i am not that old. maybe being raised with guns since birth, I didnt go down the dope smoking road, and like outside stuff generally more than tv or games.
I was wondering if you've ever played a violent first person shooter game. You'd probably enjoy it.
HBARleatherneck
06-03-2011, 11:54
i dont watch any violent tv or movies. or anything even sad. only funny happy stuff. i wouldnt sleep if I did.
That's interesting. Don't watch Saving Private Ryan then.
HBARleatherneck
06-03-2011, 12:07
and I agree with you. it takes all kinds of people to make up the planet...
i have to remember, i am a libertarian and not a conservative anymore.
i have never seen a horror movie, hate sci fi, only seen a few action movies. i do watch old 30-40s westerns. chick flicks, comedies. i dont want to be sad.
im sorry for derailing your thread.
bottom line. unless you lie on the 4473, you are not supposed to buy guns and have mj. will you get caught? doubtfull.
or anything even sad. only funny happy stuff.
I use these to keep from getting sad...
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae207/coloccw/KittyRifle.jpg
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae207/coloccw/hk-saw-1.jpg
not picking on you HBAR, but couldn't resist this one. Seriously, I probally would but these for the wife.
HBARleatherneck
06-03-2011, 12:20
hey that made me smile. maybe thats whats missing in my life. my stupid stihl chainsaws arent festive enough. and all my ARs are tan or black. i need more pink, i guess.
UberTong
06-03-2011, 12:26
True HBAR, just different generations I guess. I mowed my lawn last night, I caught a few trout a couple weeks ago at Stanley, I have never hunted, I grew up with guns as well, but I do play video games also.
DeusExMachina
06-03-2011, 12:31
I didn't grow up with guns, love SciFi, play video games, don't smoke MJ. Played paintball up until I graduated high school. Guns are kind of a new thing for me. Everybody's different. I think its a good thing that more types of people own firearms, because that will break stereotypes and all Americans will win out in the end.
Do I agree that if you smoke MJ you shouldn't own guns? No, because I'd think if you drank alcohol you shouldn't own guns either going on the same standard.
Do I think you should lie on your 4473? No, its not worth it, especially if you're in a MMJ database.
UberTong
06-03-2011, 12:35
I didn't grow up with guns, love SciFi, play video games, don't smoke MJ. Played paintball up until I graduated high school. Guns are kind of a new thing for me. Everybody's different. I think its a good thing that more types of people own firearms, because that will break stereotypes and all Americans will win out in the end.
Do I agree that if you smoke MJ you shouldn't own guns? No, because I'd think if you drank alcohol you shouldn't own guns either going on the same standard.
Do I think you should lie on your 4473? No, its not worth it, especially if you're in a MMJ database.
Well said Deus...
In conclusion, I could have answered my own question if I had the 4473 in front of me. I should have remembered since I just bought my AR. That question clearly states such. Thanks for the discussion.
DeusExMachina
06-03-2011, 12:37
It is kind of confusing, because it asks if you are an illegal user of Marijuana. Some people look at it and say, "No, I'm a registered medical marijuana user." but don't realize that is only for the state of CO, it is still illegal federally (which is who that form is for).
I think that question is a CYA question to help protect the dealers, manufacturers, and perhaps even the government. I really doubt that anyone actively looks at those questions and goes out of their way to make sure what you put down is true.
marijuana is still illegal under federal law. it is legal in CO, yes, but if obama hadn't told the feds to take a rest on the MMJ type stuff, you would see a lot of people with cards getting in trouble.
I could care less about weed. I don't smoke it, never have and probably never will. But for the people that want to, I think they should.
I am to the point I am tired of .gov control on the fed and state level, but especially on the fed level. if you don't like a states laws, you can move, but the fed covers them all and I frankly hate being told what I can and can't do when it isn't hurting anyone else. like the seatbelt law. not hurting anyone but myself if I don't wear it. for those who are in rescue and firefighting and want to complain about my mangled body...get another job because you chose the job and knew what it entailed.
as to you buddy, he needs to answer the form correctly and honestly, if the atf checked it, cross referenced his MMJ card and found out he lied...felony and no more guns for life plus fines and probably prison time.
Kind of the lesser of 2 evils in that situation.
This is a fun topic. Actually, I think it is kinda stupid. As stated previously, if you shouldn't be able to buy because you smoke marajuana, you shouldn't be able to buy if you drink either. Which effects you more, smoking, or drinking? The only reason why one is legal and the other isn't is just politics way back when. Alcohol is also a drug if you look up the definition of a drug. The same rules that apply to alcohol should apply to mj IMO. Should the guy lie on the paper? Nope, why put yourself in that position? Just think if he is high, and gets pulled over, or anything that brings the cops to him while he is in possession of a gun. He would be in deep shit because they would look up his last purchase, find out he lied on his paperwork, and then he would be screwed. Just not worth it to break the law.
Why would the police look up his last gun purchase if he gets pulled over while high?
ghettodub
06-03-2011, 12:58
This is a fun topic. Actually, I think it is kinda stupid. As stated previously, if you shouldn't be able to buy because you smoke marajuana, you shouldn't be able to buy if you drink either. Which effects you more, smoking, or drinking? The only reason why one is legal and the other isn't is just politics way back when. Alcohol is also a drug if you look up the definition of a drug. The same rules that apply to alcohol should apply to mj IMO. Should the guy lie on the paper? Nope, why put yourself in that position? Just think if he is high, and gets pulled over, or anything that brings the cops to him while he is in possession of a gun. He would be in deep shit because they would look up his last purchase, find out he lied on his paperwork, and then he would be screwed. Just not worth it to break the law.
Agreed on the alcohol thing; it's a lot more destructive of a drug that pot to your body, your inhibitions and judgement, etc.
While I don't smoke it, and it's been years and years since I have, it should be legal IMO.
Back to what people were posting about, I guess I'm one of those "newer" types of gun people. I'm a libertarian, sleeved with tattoos, play video games, raised with guns, etc
Why would the police look up his last gun purchase if he gets pulled over while high?
If you are high, and have a gun in your possession, you're in trouble. Then it is right on down the line of questions and shit. They will find out you have a card either because you tell them thinking it will help your case, or because they search your shit and find out. Then they look up your history and find out you recently purchased a gun having your mmj, then they find out you lied on your paperwork (of course this is all if the cops do their job I guess) and you now have a felony.
Do you have first hand experience with that? A police officer would never bother to do all that unless you are a known gang member and they want you in jail. Right now, if you get pulled over and have weed in your car, they take your weed and give you a ticket with a small fine. Before the dispensaries were legal, police would just take your weed and let you go.
Strange, because I've been on 4 different meds for what the VA considers "Moderate to moderately severe PTSD" and none of them really control my sudden anxiety that comes and goes from time to time... however, since I have a friend who supplies dispensaries (please don't judge) he told me that studies show cannabis to be one of the more effective medical treatments for PTSD sufferers. I've smoke in my youth and some recently- without a card- and for that very reason I've considered getting my card, but still discouraged because it could hurt chances of buying firearms. I'm kinda at a loss as to what to do here... smoke illegally and be able to buy guns, but be breaking the law (state, not just federal) or get my card and take my chances?
DeusExMachina
06-03-2011, 13:44
Strange, because I've been on 4 different meds for what the VA considers "Moderate to moderately severe PTSD" and none of them really control my sudden anxiety that comes and goes from time to time... however, since I have a friend who supplies dispensaries (please don't judge) he told me that studies show cannabis to be one of the more effective medical treatments for PTSD sufferers. I've smoke in my youth and some recently- without a card- and for that very reason I've considered getting my card, but still discouraged because it could hurt chances of buying firearms. I'm kinda at a loss as to what to do here... smoke illegally and be able to buy guns, but be breaking the law (state, not just federal) or get my card and take my chances?
That is quite the conundrum.
If it were me, and MJ helped while the different meds did not (or had awful side effects, or messed me up more) I'd have some options:
1) Continue acquiring MJ illegally, because small amounts is mostly decriminalized (don't quote me on this) and have a small chance of being caught/charged. Also, on this level it would only be a misdemeanor which wouldn't prevent me from possessing guns.
2) Get MMJ card and not buy another new gun until something changes at the federal level.
I'm pretty sure lying on the form is a felony, so I'd rather take a risk of misdemeanor rather than a "risk" of felony. I say "risk" because all it would take is someone comparing two lists to throw up flags.
HBARleatherneck
06-03-2011, 13:49
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That is quite the conundrum.
If it were me, and MJ helped while the different meds did not (or had awful side effects, or messed me up more) I'd have some options:
1) Continue acquiring MJ illegally, because small amounts is mostly decriminalized (don't quote me on this) and have a small chance of being caught/charged. Also, on this level it would only be a misdemeanor which wouldn't prevent me from possessing guns.
2) Get MMJ card and not buy another new gun until something changes at the federal level.
I'm pretty sure lying on the form is a felony, so I'd rather take a risk of misdemeanor rather than a "risk" of felony. I say "risk" because all it would take is someone comparing two lists to throw up flags.
That sounds to me like the best route, but I can't deal with some of the strains out there that get you that "lazy hippie" high, I would prefer to only use Sativa blends- they give you the "I can smoke but still be functional and alert" high. Problem with that is that it's hard to pick and choose when it comes to acquiring it outside of caregivers and dispensaries.
DeusExMachina
06-03-2011, 14:00
That sounds to me like the best route, but I can't deal with some of the strains out there that get you that "lazy hippie" high, I would prefer to only use Sativa blends- they give you the "I can smoke but still be functional and alert" high. Problem with that is that it's hard to pick and choose when it comes to acquiring it outside of caregivers and dispensaries.
Yeah, I don't know anything about that but I get what you're saying. I can imagine that getting quality stuff would be harder when you're going around the law.
Strange, because I've been on 4 different meds for what the VA considers "Moderate to moderately severe PTSD" and none of them really control my sudden anxiety that comes and goes from time to time... however, since I have a friend who supplies dispensaries (please don't judge) he told me that studies show cannabis to be one of the more effective medical treatments for PTSD sufferers. I've smoke in my youth and some recently- without a card- and for that very reason I've considered getting my card, but still discouraged because it could hurt chances of buying firearms. I'm kinda at a loss as to what to do here... smoke illegally and be able to buy guns, but be breaking the law (state, not just federal) or get my card and take my chances?
My wife was in this same situation. She has had terrible stomach pains for years and with her anxiety levels up, she became a walking zombie with all her meds. She tried pot and her life drastically changed, for the better. Her anxiety was way down and her stomach issues almost gone. Don't worry about people judging you, they always will but remember one thing, if it works for you, then who cares!!
HBARleatherneck
06-03-2011, 14:09
. Don't worry about people judging you, they always will but remember one thing, if it works for you, then who cares!!
i agree.
do you guys smoke? or use it for baking? i see they have cannabis lozenges, chews, butter. seems a better way than inhaling smoke.
school me.
Don't worry about people judging you, they always will but remember one thing, if it works for you, then who cares!!
Thanks for the support and similar issue- and it's not like I use it to just get high and be a druggie, I actually use it for medical purpose... I just wish we could tell the fed that... it works, it's safe (since the beginning of recorded medical history not 1 person has ever died from overdose on THC), and besides smoking/ingesting it's a great crop for making rope, roofing, paper (uses 1/3 of what it takes to make paper from trees), clothing, and a boat load of other stuff and is cost effective.
i agree.
do you guys smoke? or use it for baking? i see they have cannabis lozenges, chews, butter. seems a better way than inhaling smoke.
school me.
She just smokes it. I'm no expert so I can't school you on the subject. I've heard that "edibles" effect last longer so she hasn't tried that!
Thanks for the support and similar issue- and it's not like I use it to just get high and be a druggie, I actually use it for medical purpose... I just wish we could tell the fed that... it works, it's safe (since the beginning of recorded medical history not 1 person has ever died from overdose on THC), and besides smoking/ingesting it's a great crop for making rope, roofing, paper (uses 1/3 of what it takes to make paper from trees), clothing, and a boat load of other stuff and is cost effective.
Same here, she's no dope head. Medical purposes only. She really didn't want to go this route but, after years of different meds and specialists, it seemed to be the best move!
Same here, she's no dope head. Medical purposes only. She really didn't want to go this route but, after years of different meds and specialists, it seemed to be the best move!
See? That's what's messed up, most of the drugs out there now-a-days have such horrible side effects it's not even worth it. The pharma companies and FDA do all this testing and weigh out if the side effects and frequency of the side effects are worse than the condition. If the answer is no, they push the drug out to the consumer. One of the worst side effects, and I'm not kidding on this, is some drugs that say side effects include: anal leakage. I have a friend who takes meds for various conditions and he experiences that side effect from time to time and let's just say he's not happy. If enough docs pull their head out of their 4th point of contact and actually petition, they could blanket legalize cannabis for medical purposes on a federal level, but congress won't do anything unless they get near unanimous support from the medical community.
UberTong
06-03-2011, 14:59
Good stuff Ronin. MMJ helps a lot of people for sure. And yes, they make everything from hard candies to baklava, cake, sodas, olive oil, ice cream, cookies etc. Anything you can think of. And a lot of people that are concerned about being judged for smoking it prefer to eat it. Or some just dont like the act of smoking. And as far as the Sativa vs. Indica your totally right, there is stuff out there that you can do chores all morning, and there is the couch glue. I see no harm in MMJ personally, when is the last time you heard:
"well this guy was all hopped up on weed and started a fight....or domestic disturbance"
How often do you hear that on alcohol? How many deaths from alcohol v weed? It doesn't even come close.
I love this country, bleed red, white and blue. I guess some of the older guys would look differently on this because I play video games and smoke a doobie on occassion.
Ronin, just purchase from the black market and make an effort to find a dealer that knows what strains they are dealing with. There are people who have spent their whole lives becoming experts in marijuana husbandry. Go into a pot shop and look at some of the books they have on the table. The science behind all of this stuff is just as good as anything else. The same guys that sell to dispensaries, also sell to the black market, so that stuff is out there. Also, for you can legally get with a card, someone using it for medical uses will likely have access to WAY more than they are allotted, so it'd be easy enough to buy from them as well.
The MAIN problem with this bullshit, half assed method of making weed legal, but only for medical use, is that now it becomes a controlled substance, and can have higher penalties than when it was just good ole black market pot.
As far turning pot into edibles, the basic idea is that you boil the pot with something like butter. All the crap leaves via boiling, and the THC (the part that gets you high) stays with the butter. Then you just make cookies, or brownies, or whatever with the butter.
Finally, I'm not pot expert, but I know a decent amount about it, and it probably makes me seem like a pot head. Like others who have chimed in, I also don't use.
clublights
06-03-2011, 21:48
I see no harm in MMJ personally, when is the last time you heard:
"well this guy was all hopped up on weed and started a fight....or domestic disturbance"
How often do you hear that on alcohol? How many deaths from alcohol v weed? It doesn't even come close.
Tho your statement is generally correct......... It's not always true...
My birth mother ( I don't consider her my mom) used to get high and beat me as a small child. for years just the smell of MJ would make me instantly sick... it was kinda crazy ...
Part of the reason you don't hear of "the bad things" is since it is illegal even as prevalent as MJ is nowadays it's still not easy access like alcohol. If ( or should I say when?) it goes the full legal route, more stories like mine WILL come out .. Stories like the "parents" that duct taped their toddler to the wall .. yeah that happened while they were high. look it up.
NOW with all that said ...
I Think Medical MJ is not a bad thing in and of it self, I'm sure many people are helped by it everyday .. the problem is that MMJ in colorado, and anywhere else I've seen it is a fucking joke. people with NO real problems get cards. The whole deal can't be taken seriously. I've been told by many people .. they went to a "Doctor" handed over the cash and got the card... no reason no exam .. just here ya go.
Just because someone did something bad while high, doesn't mean that they did it because they were high. I feel kind of dumb saying that to a person who experienced first hand abuse from a person who was high though.
As a Libertarian I think it outta be legal. The stoners in college were a lot more mellow than the frat boys with the keg parties. Sure, people will do stupid shit on it, but people do stupid shit with guns and that's not a reason to take them away either.
I wish my g/f could have gotten some when she messed up her knee, she got some Hydrocodone pills that totally knocked her off her ass for hours. Don't they have MMJ in pill form?
The numbers bear out the facts, look at what happened to Portugal. The Netherlands has a lower % of teen users -- because it's legal, it's not nearly as alluring.
I'm also for taxing it like the other vices: alchohol, tobacco etc.
H.
Tweety Bird
06-03-2011, 22:21
. . .i need more pink, i guess.
Don't we all?
clublights
06-03-2011, 22:22
Just because someone did something bad while high, doesn't mean that they did it because they were high. I feel kind of dumb saying that to a person who experienced first hand abuse from a person who was high though.
True....
And It could have been alcohol or any other intoxicating substance for that matter.
The real point that I guess I didn't express very well ( hey it's an emotional subject for me... and not one I like to talk about very much.)
MJ is Not "better" then alcohol, in the context of recreational use. intoxicants are just that, intoxicating. Not everyone is a violent drunk but some are. you could even say most are, and I might agree. Personally I'm a goofy drunk. I get silly and have fun. hell I have friends that try to get me drunk just so they can hear the wisecracks I tend to spit out while drunk.
In it's favor at least MJ has medical uses ( other then pure alcohol used as a disinfectant ) I can't think of one medical use of alcohol. Just as I said before the current state of the MMJ Card issues, makes a joke out of the good uses of it and I fear will hurt the "movement" in the long run.
As for the legal issues..
I don't really care. I'm ok with it being illegal, I'm ok with it being used legitimately for real medical reasons. I'd even be ok with it being made fully legal for adults to use as long as people realize it's not ok to over use, ignore/abuse their kids, not ok to smoke and drive , so on and so on.
And yes I have smoked weed, not really my thing... I don't find it very much fun. I've also done quite a few other things that I did find a lot more fun .. but that was all some time ago.
I think anyone who voluntarily puts themselves in a computerized government database of known drug users is too stupid to own firearms.
I know that MMJ is better for some people than weird pills, and the government knows that too, yet it remains illegal and they want to be able to throw sick people in jail who use it. That ain't right. The founding fathers smoked it and the Constitution was written on hemp. I am certain they would not have approved of placing MMJ users in a "prohibited person" category.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/funnies/Weed.jpg
Oh, from what I've read, one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing MJ for medical use is the fact that it's a naturally occuring substance in nature, so therefore none of the pharmaceutical companies can patent any MJ products and make killer profits. Do some research about colloidal silver, it has great health benefits too but it's a natural substance that nobody can patent so the drug cos. won't touch it. Silver is one of the best and safest germ killers known to mankind.
Oh, from what I've read, one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing MJ for medical use is the fact that it's a naturally occuring substance in nature, so therefore none of the pharmaceutical companies can patent any MJ products and make killer profits. Do some research about colloidal silver, it has great health benefits too but it's a natural substance that nobody can patent so the drug cos. won't touch it. Silver is one of the best and safest germ killers known to mankind.
This can't be true, because Monsanto has all kinds of crazy patent on alfalfa and other vegetables. I think copper is right up there with silver for being a natural bacteria killer. I guess they want to put all copper door handles in hospitals because of that. The grungier the better even.
Great-Kazoo
06-04-2011, 06:07
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/funnies/Weed.jpg
Oh, from what I've read, one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing MJ for medical use is the fact that it's a naturally occuring substance in nature, so therefore none of the pharmaceutical companies can patent any MJ products and make killer profits. Do some research about colloidal silver, it has great health benefits too but it's a natural substance that nobody can patent so the drug cos. won't touch it. Silver is one of the best and safest germ killers known to mankind.
one of the biggest obstacles is the fed.gov them self. IF a national decriminalization were to actually happen, it would show the .gov's error in the war on drugs, allowing millions (yes millions) of people to seek restitution for false imprisonment. Combine that with the folks who grow in their homes for private use and you have a business that no corp could file an injunction against for (whats the word?) corporate espionage?. How do you file an injunction or lawsuit alleging someone stole their idea for mj?
"Your Honor Evil CORP. Will show the defendant willing grew Marijuana using our grow process. By doing this they admit their use of our MJ growing patent".. They would not make it to court with out becoming the laughing stock of America.
It's the money. Too many people are making BIG bucks from it being illegal. Both the law enforcement side and the illegal manufacturers and distributer make a lot of money. The asset forfeiture laws make a lot of money for local and national governments. Corruption is big money too.
BREATHER
06-04-2011, 08:01
The real reason ganja is not legal is because there are far too many "officials" lining their pockets with bribes. And if there really is "a war on drugs" then anyone taking a bribe is committing treason and should be dealt with accordingly. I beleive most people think that drugs are as "harmless" as prostitution. Being victimless. That is far from reality.
Well if they come to take your buddys gun their in for a long wait on that stand off. Gun check... weed check...video games check....snack food check...How long did Waco last cause he's in there till they drive tanks through the walls.
BREATHER
06-04-2011, 08:24
Sorry SAnd, I didn't read your post until after I posted mine. I see we agree somewhat...I didn't mean to be redundant..
Delfuego
06-04-2011, 10:53
I have but one question, personal firsthand type of experience or accurate secondhand knowledge.
1. Does anyone have a MMJ card and has recently purchased a firearm?
This can be anonymous or "my friend" type story...
I personally am not a smoker but did it as a kid. I don't judge people and don't really care what you are into as long as you are a good person and are not hurting or killing people you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want! This is still America after all...
BTW: Alcohol destroys more lives than all the other drugs in the world combined! Its not only legal, it is vigorously marketed to us and our children everyday of our lives. (not sure if vigorously is a strong enough word)
I have but one question, personal firsthand type of experience or accurate secondhand knowledge.
1. Does anyone have a MMJ card and has recently purchased a firearm?
This can be anonymous or "my friend" type story...
I personally am not a smoker but did it as a kid. I don't judge people and don't really care what you are into as long as you are a good person and are not hurting or killing people you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want! This is still America after all...
BTW: Alcohol destroys more lives than all the other drugs in the world combined! Its not only legal, it is vigorously marketed to us and our children everyday of our lives. (not sure if vigorously is a strong enough word)
my dads coffee buddy has his mmj card, and has since it was available,(is a 3 time cancer survivor, so it is legit.) and I have been there when he has passed a background check, and he has also just got his ccw card in the mail, I have seen it.
KevDen2005
06-04-2011, 11:34
I haven't heard anything and haven't read all the posts and I certainly don't want to get into my thoughts on Medicinal Marijuana.
However, if anyone knew how backed up the state is on these applications (approximately 5000 a week) and how easy the process is then they would probably realize it might be impossible for that many checks to be done.
Also, there is Colorado case law making MMJ information protected HIPPA information so I am not sure that an actual failure would take place.
Again, haven't read the posts so if no one has tried to buy a gun that has a Medicinal Marijuana Card, they should try and find out... it could be scare tactic
Not that I agree that pot and guns mix at all but your rights are your rights.
I have but one question, personal firsthand type of experience or accurate secondhand knowledge.
1. Does anyone have a MMJ card and has recently purchased a firearm?
This can be anonymous or "my friend" type story...
No, but I was at an UNNAMED gun shop recently and some young hipster type was buying his first gun and the dealer was helping him fill out the form. Then he came to that question and stated, "If you have a medical marijuana card I don't want to know about it."
Ethically, I do not have a problem with what he said, but legally? Well, that's why I'm NOT posting the name of the shop because ATF would probably be down there within a week to check this out for themselves. As far as I've seen, they are very diligent about doing everything by the book there, and that was the only time I ever saw anything that was borderline shady . . . personally, I don't think it was wrong what he did, but the feds would surely disagree.
The reason that MJ is illegal is because of hemp, look up hemp and all of its good uses and why it became illegal. MJ just got roped into all of it and then the whole illegal drug thing spiraled out of control. There are full books on how it all happened, court cases, timelines, everything, and all who smoke can blame it on hemp! [ROFL1] Even the presidents way back when like Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin used to grow hemp because it was a very useful crop. In 1937 popular science called hemp the "billion dollar crop" because it made better paper than wood pulp, better clothing than cotton, extremely strong rope that competed with nylon rope, and hemp seed biodeisel fule was extremely cheap (this is all not including how nutritious hemp seed is also). Anyway to make a long story short, hemp would have cut into a lot of wealthy and powerful peoples pockets so they roped it in with MJ saying it was bad for people (the whole drug thing) and poof, away hemp and MJ go.
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