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Anyone hear about this? There is some scuttlebutt going around not only in the Pentagon but also with a friend of mine that works at CO-NG HQ that Obama is said to pull almost 40,000 troops between July and December out of Afghanistan. I'm no expert, but I've been there (2009) and have friends there now, pulling out is not the right COA at this time. Maybe in a few years, but it seems to me like Barry O is trying to be known as the Prez who shut down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, to hell with who in the population it damns and how it affects the security of the region with terror groups like Haqqani and Hezb-i-Islami who are notorious for plotting and planning attacks on NATO troops in Afghanistan that will just rise up and toss out the current government.
Sad day, looks like the next CIC will have to deploy forces there in a few years all over again and roust yet another group that plans to attack the US and our allies.
Pancho Villa
06-09-2011, 20:47
The sooner we stop supporting the Islamic "Republic" of Afghanistan, the better.
Might as well just hand OBL wads of cash.
The sooner we stop supporting the Islamic "Republic" of Afghanistan, the better.
Might as well just hand OBL wads of cash.
The entire US deficit in cash won't help OBL swim now.[ROFL1]
OBL sleeps with the fishes.
Total bull.. Both my BIL and FIL deployed this week. Looking at least a year longer.
Scanker19
06-09-2011, 22:27
Ever see van wilder? Time to realize a bad investment, cut our losses and leave. We could stay for a 1000yrs and never convince them.
nogaroheli
06-09-2011, 22:32
Ever see van wilder? Time to realize a bad investment, cut our losses and leave. We could stay for a 1000yrs and never convince them.
Write that down!
If someone stayed in my place, trying to convince me of something, for long enough, I'd vehemently disagree just on principle.
Scanker19
06-09-2011, 22:43
If someone stayed in my place, trying to convince me of something, for long enough, I'd vehemently disagree just on principle.
Exactly. We just need to stop getting people killed for them, and our fucked up ideals.
Nuke that whole FUCKING region.. put up a wal-mart. Allah didn't fuckin save you..
KevDen2005
06-09-2011, 23:17
Nuke that whole FUCKING region.. put up a wal-mart. Allah didn't fuckin save you..
Of all the awesome stores to put up...Wal-Mart is your choice?
Ever see van wilder? Time to realize a bad investment, cut our losses and leave. We could stay for a 1000yrs and never convince them.
one of the militant islamist primary demands is that the U.S. leave the middle east forever.
therefore, I think we should dig in tighter than a tick and never leave. ever.
build bases with their own airfields and a ten mile kill zone around it.
then let them do what they like. run their government how they please. but we'll be there and when we locate terrorist activity we kill it with extreme meanness.
youngmedic
06-09-2011, 23:57
From the time of Hannibal, nobody has won a war against the local Afghani's. The Soviets killed 1 to 2 million Afghanis, displaced another 5 to 10 million, 1/3 of the countries total population, and we all know how that ended. Their warrior culture and terrain make it impossible to win unless you just shoot everything that moves... or go with a nuke.
CMP_5.56
06-10-2011, 02:43
Of all the awesome stores to put up...Wal-Mart is your choice?
Why not Wal-Mart made slaves of most Americans, it should work there too.
Pancho Villa
06-10-2011, 07:38
How about we just destroy our enemies with a huge display of force and leave the ruins as a warning to anyone else who wants to finance ideologies that promote attacks against the US and its allies.
We could be out of the whole region within a month and not have to come back.
Oh, wait, I forgot. We're there to help the poor, oppressed people of the mideast breathe free, ie, vote in Islamic republics everywhere so they can do even more harm to us [Bang]
From the time of Hannibal, nobody has won a war against the local Afghani's. The Soviets killed 1 to 2 million Afghanis, displaced another 5 to 10 million, 1/3 of the countries total population, and we all know how that ended. Their warrior culture and terrain make it impossible to win unless you just shoot everything that moves... or go with a nuke.
You have to remember, the only reason the tide turned for the Afghans during the Soviet occupation was because we started giving them munitions, money and training... If the USSR had really comitted and we didn't lend a hand they'd all be part of the Russian Republic of Afghanistan.
But historically, yes, no one has ever conquered the Afghanistan frontier in over 3000 years of recorded history. But we are making headway in that. Because of the conflict over there we have adapted and even indoctrinated our forces in true asymmetric warfare, which as JFK predicted- the future of war will not be against standing uniform armies but will be against smaller more maneuverable and guerrilla forces. Of course this was before we really got heavily involved in Vietnam, and we all know how big of a lesson that was.
Delfuego
06-10-2011, 09:42
I thought this had become proxy war for Pakistan, plenty of food, ammo and tea refills on the other side of the border. Can't win with that shit happening. That and the seemingly limitless supply of foreign jihadies.
I watched some documentaries about Vietnam over Memorial Day. It was eerily similar language to what we are hearing now. "no matter how many we kill, they seem to be able to keep refilling their ranks" (paraphrasing). I don't have any recommendations, but it seem to sound all too familiar...
A lot of people are comparing the conflict in Afghanistan to Vietnam. Unfortunately, we have to play nice and wear kid gloves because of the fallout from the international scene and our own media if we kill innocents (by accident or on purpose). When the enemy hides among the local population and can just drop their guns after an ambush and blend in, that's when war takes a bit of a difficult turn and you really have to watch it. I say we should stop worrying about the liberal media, what people think of us, and just kill anyone suspected of being a baddie and go from there. I always tell journalists and naysayers against the war: "Oh so you're an expert in modern warfare? It's not as easy as 'shoot the guys with the red arm bands,' we actually have no clue sometimes who's with us or against us, but if you can do a better job I'd like to see you try." If we put public opinion and our reputation out the window we could accomplish a lot more, but the Pentagon doesn't want to be harassed by picketers every day they walk into work because we're fighting fire with fire instead of a raging inferno with plastic squirt guns.
The problem is that we have made these wars too PC. We hesitate to use a scalpel, when we should be using a big f**king chainsaw. Instead of making surgical strikes with drones, and falling over ourselves apologizing every time a civilian gets a hangnail as a result of them sheltering these islamic militants, we should be making high level carpet bombing runs with B-52s, and instead of apologies, making statements to the effect of "If you don't want civilians to die, stop aiding the terrorists". We don't have to step over the nuclear line to be able to cause significant destruction. FAEs like the Daisy Cutters and MOABs make a pretty solid pop, without the nasty cleanup issues of nukes.
You have to remember, the only reason the tide turned for the Afghans during the Soviet occupation was because we started giving them munitions, money and training... If the USSR had really comitted and we didn't lend a hand they'd all be part of the Russian Republic of Afghanistan.
As much as this point is reiterated I think people are still forgetting a couple big factors. States in the gulf (Saudi Arabia as the head piece) were matching us dollar for dollar. Guess who is still pumping money into the warlords pockets, and the madrassas across the border. We also have less troops in country than the USSR did. Oh and no natural border to use as a supply route and defensive backstop. We can't keep playing nice with countries like SA and Pakistan if they want to play both sides, allies my ass.
The problem is that we have made these wars too PC. We hesitate to use a scalpel, when we should be using a big f**king chainsaw. Instead of making surgical strikes with drones, and falling over ourselves apologizing every time a civilian gets a hangnail as a result of them sheltering these islamic militants, we should be making high level carpet bombing runs with B-52s, and instead of apologies, making statements to the effect of "If you don't want civilians to die, stop aiding the terrorists". We don't have to step over the nuclear line to be able to cause significant destruction. FAEs like the Daisy Cutters and MOABs make a pretty solid pop, without the nasty cleanup issues of nukes.
I guess the American public forgot- WWII, we bombed the living daylights out of Germany, Italy, and Japan (not talking Hiroshima and Nagasaki). There were a lot of civilian casualties back then, but I don't remember hearing about people all over the US up in arms because some German citizens were killed by Allied bombing in Berlin and Tokyo. We were at war then, we're at war now. If people over here knew how shady Afghan's are, and how their allegiances change at the drop of a hat, they'd fully support us putting our high tech munitions right down their Mohammad loving throats.
Pancho Villa
06-10-2011, 15:57
I refuse to support any sort of foreign adventure until:
1. We have leaders (pundits and politicians) willing to clearly identify the enemy (its not "terrorism" or "al qaeda," you turdheads.)
2. We have the populace willing to demand that victory is the primary objective, with the preservation of American lives priority #2, and that the list of things we care about ends right there.
Until then we are just blowing dollars out of our ass and into the hands of tomorrow's enemies, not to mention the young men dying for the privilege of building up a place that will have to be brought down again in less than a generation.
Edit: I'm anti-war in that sense, but I'm pro-Ameriican anti-war. As in, I refuse to support wars whose purpose (no matter what they tell you) is to funnel American wealth to our worst enemies and kill American soldiers, without achieving victory.
It is my honest opinion that as a political system Islam is stronger than it was in 2001 - with a gigantic new country under its sway (Iraq) and billions of dollars flowing into the coffers of two governments. I don't was the US military deployed to help out our enemies.
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