Conspiracy to violate constitutional rights...

[Ronin13]

So I read an article in NRA's July 2011 "American Rifleman" yesterday and it was speaking on the BATFE's Operation Fast and Furious and one point I thought "Holy cow this guy is attempting to violate the constitution...." Here is what it said (paraphrased):
Operation Fast and Furious was proposed and started to perpetuate the lie that 90% of guns used by the cartels that are smuggled from the U.S. came illegally from legitimate gun dealers. Once evidence was found to promote this then the Obama Administration would have a clear path to enacting stricter gun control legislation. The operation was intended to expose gun dealers of illegally selling to individuals who intended to sell the guns to criminals involved with the cartels.

The Director of the BATFE should be put on trial for conspiracy to infringe upon America's 2nd Amendment rights. Obama plays dumb and states that he had no knowledge of this, but I think that dog won't hunt. He also claims that someone will be held accountable for the failure of the BATFE and the loss of weapons, doesn't the buck stop at his desk? Isn't he ultimately responsible and accountable for his administration's actions? Remember Nixon?

[Byte Stryke]

treason and conspiracy to commit treason.

nothing less.

[cstone]

I do remember Nixon. He resigned. He was pardoned. He retired in comfortable, if not outright wealthy seclusion. He wrote a memoir. His public image has been somewhat rehabilitated over the past 40 years. I give him another 100 years and he will be viewed as a "controversial figure of the 20th century." He is almost there now.

I try not to confuse current events with how history will portray people or events.

President Obama is still working in the hurricane of current events. Few if any can predict what will happen tomorrow, much less how he will be viewed by historians.

That said, calling any politician a liar just seems to be redundant. [Flower]

We just may fix the double standard when we get a handle on the triple, quadruple, and quintuple standards. It's not looking hopeful. [Coffee]

[Ronin13]

I do remember Nixon. He resigned. He was pardoned. He retired in comfortable, if not outright wealthy seclusion. He wrote a memoir. His public image has been somewhat rehabilitated over the past 40 years. I give him another 100 years and he will be viewed as a "controversial figure of the 20th century." He is almost there now.

I try not to confuse current events with how history will portray people or events.

President Obama is still working in the hurricane of current events. Few if any can predict what will happen tomorrow, much less how he will be viewed by historians.

That said, calling any politician a liar just seems to be redundant. [Flower]

We just may fix the double standard when we get a handle on the triple, quadruple, and quintuple standards. It's not looking hopeful. [Coffee]

I'm just saying, the actions of those under an administration are the responsibility of said administration (much like Nixon and the scandal leading to his impeachment), and if the director of the BATFE is attempting to "doctor" evidence that would allow a violation of 2A he, the president, and anyone else found guilty of being involved should be punished appropriately. Byte puts it well, treason, that is an even more appropriate crime to indict them for.

[cstone]

Since we are discussing Presidential misconduct; everyone here remembers or should remember the very public perjury that a first year law school student could have proven to a jury, that was committed by President Clinton.

There is a very big leap between crimes you believe have been committed and what can be proven in court. Ultimately, the voters will decide what the President and his administration will be held liable for and whether any punishments are warranted. Since many of us didn't support the current President during his initial election campaign, I doubt he, or his administration, is giving much thought to what we think about his conduct.

Looking back, I don't think I can remember a single President who didn't have some vocal minority calling for their indictment or impeachment. Taking down Presidents, now that is a bipartisan activity.