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Tweety Bird
06-21-2011, 17:36
That other thread about the morons camping in the left lane got me to thinking about how folks deal with folks like that on the highway.
Post your ideas and experiences here.
Me? I absolutely HATE tailgaters. When someone is riding my ass and won't go around, I figure I have no choice except to slow down to reduce the severity of the impending accident. But I have considered a mod to the War Wagon that might get them to back off.
I'm thinking an old windshield washer tank mounted in the trunk, plumbed to a jet in the trunk lid and wired to a switch on the dashboard. Then, fill the tank with antifreeze.
You know what comes next.
Haven't done it yet. Got the idea from my brother who DID. Sounds like it results in an instant rainbow on the tailgater's windshield when they start the wipers. And my car is so old, it wouldn't be unusual for it to leak antifreeze by itself anyway . . .
if you're on the interstate, you're supposed to get out of the way.
clublights
06-21-2011, 17:48
if you're on the interstate, you're supposed to get out of the way.
Only if you are in the left.... if your in the right and still getting tailgated... well
maybe a bit of a squirt isn't a bad Idea LOL
jplove71
06-21-2011, 17:56
if you're on the interstate, you're supposed to get out of the way.
Even if you're in the far right lane and still being tailgated?
BlasterBob
06-21-2011, 18:01
morons camping in the left lane
I am NOT cop bashing but I have always wondered why so many LEO's (CSP especially) will drive only in the left lane and often going so slow that if we want to drive the legal posted speed limit (75MPH) we have to pass them while we are traveling in the right lane. This is a regular thing on I-25 between Pueblo and Trinidad. Signs clearly indicate that traffic should stay in the right lane unless passing and slow traffic should use the right lane.???
Again, I am NOT cop bashing!!
jerrymrc
06-21-2011, 18:15
I drove from Ft Carson to Cheyenne and back today and noticed 4 of them. This is when there is nothing for 1/2 mile ahead in the right lane. 2 from California, one from Texas and one from Arkansas.
I also almost got the taxpayers truck taken out in Denver by someone playing on there cell going through the curves near Invesco.[Rant1]
I'm thinking an old windshield washer tank mounted in the trunk, plumbed to a jet in the trunk lid and wired to a switch on the dashboard. Then, fill the tank with antifreeze.
You know what comes next.
Haven't done it yet. Got the idea from my brother who DID. Sounds like it results in an instant rainbow on the tailgater's windshield when they start the wipers. And my car is so old, it wouldn't be unusual for it to leak antifreeze by itself anyway . . .
Quick way to lose everything you own and end up in jail..
Tweety Bird
06-21-2011, 20:07
if you're on the interstate, you're supposed to get out of the way.
You see, you're just ASSUMING I ride in the left lane on the interstate. I don't do that and I still get tailgated.
So back off.
Tweety Bird
06-21-2011, 20:10
Quick way to lose everything you own and end up in jail..
Now why am I not surprised by a response like that?
Possibly. Of course, I also said I haven't set it up.
My brake lights won't cause that problem, though. I've been known to be pretty aggressive trying to stop for that "whatever-it-is" in the road in front of me when someone's too close behind me.
mcantar18c
06-21-2011, 20:35
When people ride my ass I just work the throttle a bit and they're covered in black smoke (guys that dump smoke all over anything and everything just cause they can are douches, but there are times that its justified). Then when I need to pass somebody and can't change lanes or we're in the left lane... between the "holy fawking shit!" factor of the big steel bumper and bull horns on the grill coming up on their ass and the fact that my headlights are right about eye level for most cars/SUVs, people just tend to get outta my way.
Past that, I don't engage in "traffic wars" or road rage or anything. Somebody cuts me off, I'll cuss at em a bit but no fingers, fists, horns, lights, anything. I'm always armed, and in making the choice to carry a firearm we (I assume most of us here carry) have the responsibility to avoid conflicts whenever possible. Potentially starting one by (rightfully) expressing your anger at some asshat on the road is irresponsible. Now if by chance I leave all my guns at home and don't have any on me or in the vehicle, I tend to drive like a dick, but that's a rare occasion.
tmjohnson
06-21-2011, 20:48
I used to work on a ranch and drove and old dog with a hydralic bail mover on the back. I had to go thru Oklahoma City, and on the way thru I had a little sports car get on my back bumper and would not get off. After awhile I got tired of it so I just started lower those bail forks. That little sports car backed off and then went around me. They flipped me off, I laughed the whole way home.
Now why am I not surprised by a response like that?
Because you're trying to converse with adults?
I was considering a bumper sticker that reads:
If you're close enough to read this, you are about to become a victim of insurance fraud
At least that bumper sticker is some what honest.
I want a bumper sticker that says, "Honk twice for Spanish."
lmao.
Now why am I not surprised by a response like that?
Possibly. Of course, I also said I haven't set it up.
My brake lights won't cause that problem, though. I've been known to be pretty aggressive trying to stop for that "whatever-it-is" in the road in front of me when someone's too close behind me.
Should I start with what being liable is?
How about the difference negligence and premeditation?
If you are intent on them running into the back of your car at speed, in your anticipation of the accident chances are you will tense every muscle in your body.. upon impact.. you will be hurt worse/more severely than the person caught unaware by your stupidity.
That being said.. there are several things you can do rather than get so upset you are contemplating attempted vehicular manslaughter...
You are apparently not in a hurry.. so you're not dumb. You can manage your time just fine.. so spend a few more minutes and screw with their head.
It's rather entertaining to condition someone as you drive. When they're on your ass slow down.. they will create distance or go around.. speed up when they create distance till they close the gap again.. slow down again.. speed up when there is distance.. see how long it takes them to realize that speed is increased with distance.. It's kind of fun actually.
mcantar18c
06-22-2011, 00:55
That other thread about the morons camping in the left lane got me to thinking about how folks deal with folks like that on the highway.
Post your ideas and experiences here.
Me? I absolutely HATE tailgaters. When someone is riding my ass and won't go around, I figure I have no choice except to slow down to reduce the severity of the impending accident. But I have considered a mod to the War Wagon that might get them to back off.
I'm thinking an old windshield washer tank mounted in the trunk, plumbed to a jet in the trunk lid and wired to a switch on the dashboard. Then, fill the tank with antifreeze.
You know what comes next.
Haven't done it yet. Got the idea from my brother who DID. Sounds like it results in an instant rainbow on the tailgater's windshield when they start the wipers. And my car is so old, it wouldn't be unusual for it to leak antifreeze by itself anyway . . .
Not going to address the antifreeze thing, not even worth getting into.
But picture this scenario:
Guy's riding your ass and you slam your breaks on to avoid the "whatever-it-is" in the road as you put it in your other post. Guy slams into you because he's following too closely, and assuming he isn't a complete idiot he understands what you did ("break checked" him). You both pull off to assess the damage and do the normal accident crap, he's pissed cause he was already in a hurry (thus riding your ass and trying to pass you) and now you're asshatery is going to cost him a decent chunk of time and money so he's even more pissed, and becomes confrontational. You don't seem like the type to try to de-escalate a situation, or say you try and it doesn't work, and things keep escalating. He starts pushing you around and it gets ugly, and you have to resort to deadly force (I'm assuming that being a member of this forum, you carry on a regular basis). Fast forward to court, where a jury decides that had you not intentionally caused the accident, the altercation would never have happened and someone wouldn't be dead. You're now spending the rest of your life behind bars. Was it worth it?
Or maybe you don't have to use deadly force, but you two are fighting on the side of the road and here comes the cop to do the accident report (or maybe you/he didn't call it in, but someone calls the cops on two guys beating the shit outta each other). Still gonna get some jail time.... still worth it?
Tweety Bird
06-22-2011, 07:00
Not going to address the antifreeze thing, not even worth getting into.
I'm not even going to waste the bandwidth posting the rest of what you wrote.
You're making a LOT of assumptions there.
Tweety Bird
06-22-2011, 07:12
Should I start with what being liable is?
How about the difference negligence and premeditation?
If you are intent on them running into the back of your car at speed, in your anticipation of the accident chances are you will tense every muscle in your body.. upon impact.. you will be hurt worse/more severely than the person caught unaware by your stupidity.
That being said.. there are several things you can do rather than get so upset you are contemplating attempted vehicular manslaughter...
You are apparently not in a hurry.. so you're not dumb. You can manage your time just fine.. so spend a few more minutes and screw with their head.
It's rather entertaining to condition someone as you drive. When they're on your ass slow down.. they will create distance or go around.. speed up when they create distance till they close the gap again.. slow down again.. speed up when there is distance.. see how long it takes them to realize that speed is increased with distance.. It's kind of fun actually.
Are you serious? I'm getting my ass handed to me here (you're accusing me before the fact of attempted manslaughter, and another guy suggests that I might wind up shooting somebody) because I tap the brakes (sometimes pretty hard), yet you're condoning messing with their heads as badly as I am?
Good grief. I'm actually a less aggressive driver than many of you appear to be, since some are supposedly suggesting that it's OK to tailgate if you're in a hurry.
If you don't want my brake lights in your face, BACK OFF! It's really a pretty simple concept. Late for work? Not my problem. Go around me. If you can't go around me, riding my ass isn't going to get you there any sooner; in fact, it might slow the whole process down a little bit.
Tell you what. I'll keep the hell outta the left lane on the interstate unless I'm passing (always have, anyway), and you keep the hell off my rear bumper. Deal?
SuperiorDG
06-22-2011, 07:21
Heard the other day, I think on 103.5 FM, that out a group of people ask if they were unsafe drives, 100% said no. If we all think we are safe, then who are the bad drivers? I guess everybody else.
I know for a fact that now that I carry I am a much safer and nicer driver. I don't want to have to shoot someone over some stupid traffic sh!t.
Tweety Bird
06-22-2011, 07:38
You get the same stuff in any forum you visit. Makes no difference if it's cars, guns, golf, skiing, or anything else.
Everybody who posts thinks they're qualified in some superior fashion over most everybody. You've read it: Everybody ELSE is a danger, a hazard, an asshold, shouldn't be there, yadayadayadayada.
I see it all the time in the form of, "some people just shouldn't be allowed to (own guns) (drive) (have kids)." You name it, somebody else shouldn't be allowed to do it.
The problem is, once you fall into that trap, you're giving someone ELSE (usually some bureaucrat) the power to make the decision over who DOES get to do it and if they can take it away from HIM, he can take it away from YOU.
As far as being a nicer driver now that you carry, I don't doubt it. That might lead to "safer", as well, but I don't think they're directly connected. (For instance, I have a cousin who's the nicest person in the world. Always a smile on her face, always nice to everybody. But I wouldn't ride with her.)
Of course, since I visit an AR-15 forum a lot, it's assumed that I carry one in my car, or conceal one on my person, and I might get violent with it. So apparently it can work the other way, too.
(Like I said, there were a LOT of assumptions in that post. Wrong assumptions, by the way, but that's OK because the assumptions did exactly what they always do. I don't care; if people think I'm crazy, maybe they'll stay away from me.)
Of course, I'm the stupid one here (refer to post #15), so what do I know?
Tweety, try not to take things so seriously. Consider that you posted a thread that you wanted input on, and you got it. I don't think people are judging YOU but trying to tell you that if you were to do that there would be consequences for you. I'm no expert but that was my first thought too that if you sprayed antifreeze on them, they get into an accident and die then not only would you be liable but wouldn't you feel pretty bad for the rest of your life thinking you did that to someone for simply tailgating you?
I've thought of scenarios like this often, especially when I'm pissed off and then I take a breath and realize that my actions could change the course of someone's life, least of all mine.
I used to brake check tailgaters but then read about people who did that and got into some serious legal issues as a result. Do I want to spend $100K in legal fees to defend myself against the guy who tailgated me? Nope.
So, Tweety, I'm not judging you (had you actually done this I might) but putting my $0.02 worth as you asked. I don't know you from Adam but in reading your replies you do seem to be pretty pissed off (whether at this thread or in general I have no idea), and there's few things on this board that should really get under you skin IMHO.
In the words of Jack Nicholson in Anger Management: goooooosfraaaaaabaaaa :).
Byte Stryke
06-22-2011, 09:03
Not going to address the antifreeze thing, not even worth getting into.
But picture this scenario:
Guy's riding your ass and you slam your breaks on to avoid the "whatever-it-is" in the road as you put it in your other post. Guy slams into you because he's following too closely, and assuming he isn't a complete idiot he understands what you did ("break checked" him). You both pull off to assess the damage and do the normal accident crap, he's pissed cause he was already in a hurry (thus riding your ass and trying to pass you) and now you're asshatery is going to cost him a decent chunk of time and money so he's even more pissed, and becomes confrontational. You don't seem like the type to try to de-escalate a situation, or say you try and it doesn't work, and things keep escalating. He starts pushing you around and it gets ugly, and you have to resort to deadly force (I'm assuming that being a member of this forum, you carry on a regular basis). Fast forward to court, where a jury decides that had you not intentionally caused the accident, the altercation would never have happened and someone wouldn't be dead. You're now spending the rest of your life behind bars. Was it worth it?
Or maybe you don't have to use deadly force, but you two are fighting on the side of the road and here comes the cop to do the accident report (or maybe you/he didn't call it in, but someone calls the cops on two guys beating the shit outta each other). Still gonna get some jail time.... still worth it?
and then what if a giant meteor falls from the sky crashing into the earth and sending billions of tons of dust and debris into the atmosphere and causing the earths orbit around the sun to change , causing us to move milions of miles away from the sun sending us into a permanent ice age and everyone DIES..... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
/sarcasm
You missed your calling Brother, you seriously should have been a TV Writer. your what-ifs play out like a TV Cop show.
ZombieKiller25
06-22-2011, 09:04
Are you serious? I'm getting my ass handed to me here (you're accusing me before the fact of attempted manslaughter, and another guy suggests that I might wind up shooting somebody) because I tap the brakes (sometimes pretty hard), yet you're condoning messing with their heads as badly as I am?
Good grief. I'm actually a less aggressive driver than many of you appear to be, since some are supposedly suggesting that it's OK to tailgate if you're in a hurry.
If you don't want my brake lights in your face, BACK OFF! It's really a pretty simple concept. Late for work? Not my problem. Go around me. If you can't go around me, riding my ass isn't going to get you there any sooner; in fact, it might slow the whole process down a little bit.
Tell you what. I'll keep the hell outta the left lane on the interstate unless I'm passing (always have, anyway), and you keep the hell off my rear bumper. Deal?
It's idiots like you on the road that do exactly that....cause road rage because you want to act cool and brake check someone. Are you 10? Grow up already.
Me? I absolutely HATE tailgaters. When someone is riding my ass and won't go around, I figure I have no choice except to slow down to reduce the severity of the impending accident.
I'm thinking an old windshield washer tank mounted in the trunk, plumbed to a jet in the trunk lid and wired to a switch on the dashboard. Then, fill the tank with antifreeze.
You know what comes next.
Haven't done it yet. Got the idea from my brother who DID. Sounds like it results in an instant rainbow on the tailgater's windshield when they start the wipers. And my car is so old, it wouldn't be unusual for it to leak antifreeze by itself anyway . . .
My brake lights won't cause that problem, though. I've been known to be pretty aggressive trying to stop for that "whatever-it-is" in the road in front of me when someone's too close behind me.
Are you serious? I'm getting my ass handed to me here (you're accusing me before the fact of attempted manslaughter, and another guy suggests that I might wind up shooting somebody) because I tap the brakes (sometimes pretty hard), yet you're condoning messing with their heads as badly as I am?
Good grief. I'm actually a less aggressive driver than many of you appear to be, since some are supposedly suggesting that it's OK to tailgate if you're in a hurry.
Your posts contradict each other.. a few of the color changed areas should give you an idea of why anyone would gather malicious intent. You asked for ideas.. you got them.
I think someone with such thin skin should really avoid booby trapping his car.
I think someone with such thin skin should really avoid booby trapping his car.
[ROFL2] I'm just getting an image of an old man (took the thin skin comment literally) doing some mythbusters type construction project on his car....
I don't brake check if I'm being tailgated, but I am one of the worst road rage people on earth. Yes, I just admitted I have horrible road rage, but I've gotten better, not measurably by most, but to people that know me well say I handle things behind the wheel better now than I used to. I don't think carrying changed that at all, if anything it just made me less afraid of some guy getting pissed off because I'm not going fast enough (I don't instigate, I'm a subtle asshole). If someone is on my rear bumper, and they're too close (like if it's a car and I can't see their headlights, they're too close) I just pull my foot off of the gas, or I cruise at -5MPH under the speed limit. If they don't go around their problem, I just drive normally cursing them under my breath (or as more common, aloud but not to them). If they flash their headlights they're usually too close for me to see so I just ignore them. I've been waiting for a long time when that [insert object, animal, child, etc. here] comes out infront of my car and I do actually need to use my brakes. They hit me, and being a disabled veteran with a SCD spinal injury, I get the chance to retire early on their dime. No I'm not advocating the sue happy America, I just run a bigger risk of being paralyzed than your average Joe and being at higher risk I would bring up civil suit for irresponsibility and endangerment because I am at higher risk. My life as I enjoy it could end much too quickly (if I don't die) and I would probably spend the rest of my life dreaming of those days when I could do the things I enjoy today.
/Rant
ghettodub
06-22-2011, 10:06
When people ride my ass in any lane other than the fast lane, I just slow way the hell down and ignore them. Then I pleasantly speed back up to 5 over when they pass. Now that I ride the train to work every day and drive less, I notice I get more irritated with idiot drivers...
mcantar18c
06-22-2011, 14:46
and then what if a giant meteor falls from the sky crashing into the earth and sending billions of tons of dust and debris into the atmosphere and causing the earths orbit around the sun to change , causing us to move milions of miles away from the sun sending us into a permanent ice age and everyone DIES..... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
/sarcasm
You missed your calling Brother, you seriously should have been a TV Writer. your what-ifs play out like a TV Cop show.
Unlikely, sure, but not impossible... I've seen more than a few instances of road rage that turned into news stories.
Its also pretty unlikely that your gun will go off when you don't intend it do, that somebody will break into your house, that you'll win the lotto, or that you'll be hit by lightning... yet we still use safeties, lock our doors, buy lotto tickets, and nobody in their right mind will go stand out in the open in a lightning storm.
As a CCWer, we need to think about the "what if's" and avoid situations that could put us in a position to make somebody's day take a very bad turn, no matter how unlikely. There's a line I heard once.... "when you carry your gun, your middle finger stays at home."
There's a line I heard once.... "when you carry your gun, your middle finger stays at home."
Ok now this has me confused... I can't (or shouldn't) speak my mind via my hand gestures just because I'm carrying? If I'm driving and a person cuts me off, I give them a honk, they flip me the bird, then I return the bird, I'm wrong because I'm armed? He was in the wrong to begin with by being a d-bag and flips me off, but if I return the gesture I'm wrong? Someone please give me some fidelity here, because I thought because I'm armed I'm more easily able to defend myself and others from serious threats, not disengage my road rage chip in my brain. I wouldn't ever use my gun in a road rage incident that I started (although I don't start them, I usually am not the one to make the wrong move) unless the guy follows me, confronts me with a tire iron or some other tool that can be used as a weapon, then I just draw down. But I have never had anyone confront me over road rage- if I do something dumb, like not see a guy who's been camped in my blind spot for 10miles and I make a lane change and he beeps at me I was and mouth "sorry", usually they flip me off and it ends there. Or if someone drives like a jackass around me and I beep at them if they flip me off, I flip back and that's pretty much the end of it there too.
ghettodub
06-22-2011, 15:24
Ok now this has me confused... I can't (or shouldn't) speak my mind via my hand gestures just because I'm carrying? If I'm driving and a person cuts me off, I give them a honk, they flip me the bird, then I return the bird, I'm wrong because I'm armed? He was in the wrong to begin with by being a d-bag and flips me off, but if I return the gesture I'm wrong? Someone please give me some fidelity here, because I thought because I'm armed I'm more easily able to defend myself and others from serious threats, not disengage my road rage chip in my brain. I wouldn't ever use my gun in a road rage incident that I started (although I don't start them, I usually am not the one to make the wrong move) unless the guy follows me, confronts me with a tire iron or some other tool that can be used as a weapon, then I just draw down. But I have never had anyone confront me over road rage- if I do something dumb, like not see a guy who's been camped in my blind spot for 10miles and I make a lane change and he beeps at me I was and mouth "sorry", usually they flip me off and it ends there. Or if someone drives like a jackass around me and I beep at them if they flip me off, I flip back and that's pretty much the end of it there too.
They said that in my CCW class as well, and how since you're carrying a firearm that you should be the bigger person. I agree with this, because flipping someone off can escalate a situation quickly...
mcantar18c
06-22-2011, 15:28
Ok now this has me confused... I can't (or shouldn't) speak my mind via my hand gestures just because I'm carrying? If I'm driving and a person cuts me off, I give them a honk, they flip me the bird, then I return the bird, I'm wrong because I'm armed?...
Being armed, you need to hold yourself to a higher standard than the rest of the sheeple. Flipping them the bird is a way to potentially aggravate the situation, and these are things we need to be aware of. Wasn't there a post here not too long ago where some incident occurred and the other driver went beside them and started waving a gun? It happens, it could happen to any of us. I know if someone started waving a gun at me while driving and I couldn't get away from them for whatever reason, I'd be firing at them.
If you're driving and somebody cuts you off, yell at em at the top of your lungs or cuss at em till you'd make a sailor blush, but past that just let it go and be done with it... no need to honk, flash your lights, tailgate, flip them the bird, or give them any other excuse to continue interacting with you.
Tweety Bird
06-22-2011, 15:35
Tweety, try not to take things so seriously. Consider that you posted a thread that you wanted input on, and you got it.
Ranger: Nosir. That's not the reason for this thread at all, and if you carefully read the OP, you'll know that.
I put the thread up here for people to tell others what pisses them off in traffic. Tailgaters are my pet peeve, and that's where it started. Now, people are calling ME the aggressor because I try to move people off my ass when they seem to think it's OK to push me harder.
Let me tell you guys something. I won't be blocking you in the left lane unless I'm passing someone else, and even then, I'll move back over to the right as soon as I can. But if you're pushing me from the back and either can't or won't pass, I'm going to try to get you the hell off my bumper. If that means slowing down, that's what I'll do. If that doesn't work, I'll tap my brakes lightly, maybe another time or two. But when that message doesn't work, I WILL spot a toddler, a dog, a pile of broken glass or maybe a box of nails in the lane in front of me and I WILL brake hard to try to avoid hitting it. If you're still so close to me that you hit me in the ass, it's YOUR fault, not mine. Deal with it. I have every right to slow down if I feel it's necessary.
I have to laugh at you junior lawyers here who try to interpret the law to me. I'm going to move you off my rear bumper, and yet you'll soon have everything I own. Yeah. Right. Hit me from behind and I guarantee it'll be your fault, not mine. But wait: Since I visit a gun forum, I must carry a pistol most of the time, and that means I'm going to get mad at you and pull the trigger. Good grief. You guys are too much.
No, Zombiekiller, I'm not 10. In fact, there's a pretty good chance I've been driving since before you were born. And let me let you in on another little secret, asshole. I've never had a moving violation in my life (with very close to 40 years of driving), and I've never been involved in an accident that was my fault. I bet most of you can't honestly make those two statements. (Of course, both accidents I've been in were someone hitting me in the ass. I guess I shouldn't have had my brakes on at those red lights, according to you guys. And after reading this thread, I'm surprised I didn't get out of my car and shoot 'em, especially the shithead who was uninsured.)
Monky, you're trying to catch me in contradictory statements. Never once did I say that hard braking was my FIRST choice. I simply said that I've been known to do it.
I generally obey the traffic laws, maybe cheat by 2 to 5 MPH but not much more. If you're pushing me to go faster, it's YOU who needs to grow up. It's not my problem if you couldn't get your lazy ass outta bed to get to work without breaking the land speed records.
So again, I'll stay out of your way as best I can. YOU can have the tickets, I really don't give a shit. In return, do two things for me: Stay off my ass, and don't make me stop as an accident witness when you wrap your car around the gardrail. OK?
You guys can carry on without me. Forever.
Tweety, well said. Don't push a man to the edge of a cliff, he'll push back! I agree, and I've never threatened, pulled, or even mentioned my gun in an angry situation, and never will unless there is a viable threat. People are telling me that I have to be held at a higher standard because I'm a CCW holder. Ok, but when someone does something that's just plain dumb and makes me wonder what cracker jack box they got their driver's license out of I'll shoot them the bird, not shoot a bullet at them. If they get upset because I'm "communicating" (as Goose once said) and pull a gun I've got a good story for the police when I tell them how they made an illegal lane change, tail gated, whatever... because if it ends with me having to draw my gun, well let's just say "dead men tell no tales." Not my fault if the asshat is an angry individual who thinks they always have the right of way.
By the way tweety, I use the exact same escalation of force for tailgaiting that you do... slow, tap, tap, stomp!
I don't like being tailgated either, but brake checking someone on purpose is dangerous and stupid.
If I'm in the outside lane and someone is on my tailpipe and won't go around, I'll move over when I can and let them by.
if they stay behind me no matter what lane changes I do (this has never happened to me) well then they are being stupid and I'll deal with it accordingly by either exiting, turning or just laying off the gas and slowing down until we're going 20. if they're still with me I'm on the phone to the cops.
I wish I had a dime for every time I've come up on someone doing 10 or 15 under the limit, then when I get around them they see me passing, realize how slow they were going and speed up to ten over to stay ahead.
I'm more polite when I'm packing. If I'm being nice, that doesn't mean I'm an easy target.
I'm being defensive when I'm armed, not offensive. ;)
BlasterBob
06-22-2011, 18:26
All of these comments/opinions, yet no one made any remarks about my post about LEO's (CSP especially) seeming to use the left lane only when traveling on I-25. Shit, I'm going back to sleep.
Brake check works just fine. You can always claim something in the road or off to the side that looked like it was ggettimg ready to be in front of you.
I always wanted some of the james bond tacks that popped tires.
BREATHER
06-22-2011, 18:55
I was hoping to find like minded people o this forum, but.... There are tons of assholes on the road.... It's LEO's, if they paid more attention and less time on their cell phones, that should be taking care of these people.
And yes, because we believe in the Constitution and our rights, we were granted the legal way of carrying firearms concealed, we should hold ourselves above. I have a serious firearm responsibility and I will act accordingly.
The most aggressive drivers on the road are females between 20 and 45 years of age. Let them go, but it is a fuckin' shame that the assholes usually take some inocents with them when they crash....
Flipping people off is lame and immature. I prefer to jerk my hand off on one side of my mouth, and run my tongue on the inside of my opposite cheek.
jerrymrc
06-22-2011, 21:04
Flipping people off is lame and immature. I prefer to jerk my hand off on one side of my mouth, and run my tongue on the inside of my opposite cheek.
[ROFL1][ROFL2][Coffee]
This thread has taken a strange tone. I can say that as I got older the little things did not get to me as much. I will say that I dislike being tailgated but then I do follow the rules and keep to the right except to pass.
I even let the progressive people know how nice I am by letting them follow me around for the last 3 months with 3 more to go. As it stands right now I have a 30% discount on the three cars because I let them play "big brother"
Now if anyone thinks they are a "good" driver an has Progressive let them put that box in your car and see how ya do.
In my case I have never had a chargeable accident since 1974 and my last ticket was in 1989.[Coffee]
People doing "brake checks" to "tailgaters" are not probably packing - if you have zero respect to your own life in traffic, why would you carry a gun for self defense ?
Tailgating takes always 2 cars/drivers. If you happen to be sitting in front car, do yourself a favor: forget your ego and move over - you will live longer ;)
I wish I had a dime for every time I've come up on someone doing 10 or 15 under the limit, then when I get around them they see me passing, realize how slow they were going and speed up to ten over to stay ahead.
+1
Tailgating takes always 2 cars/drivers. If you happen to be sitting in front car, do yourself a favor: forget your ego and move over - you will live longer ;)
+1
That's not true. If I'm sitting in bumper to bumper traffic and can see that it is still bumper to bumper traffic two miles ahead of me, there is zero reason that the car behind me is nearly touching my bumper.
Drive a large pickup or SUV and you will rarely see this kind of nonsense.
Also, we all realize that in Colorado it is perfectly legal to carry a loaded handgun in your vehicle, right? Combine that with an idiot driver with small-dick syndrome and you have the ingredients for a very bad commute.
I just ease over and let the moron pass.
ZombieKiller25
06-23-2011, 09:00
You guys can carry on without me. Forever.
Thank God....best news I've read all day!
Ranger: Nosir. That's not the reason for this thread at all, and if you carefully read the OP, you'll know that.
Oh, you mean where it says 'post your ideas and experiences here' and people's EXPERIENCE with the stuff you are explaining or IDEAS regarding that or other things to do in retaliation for tailgating? Yea, I got it all wrong, thanks for clearing that up.
I put the thread up here for people to tell others what pisses them off in traffic. Tailgaters are my pet peeve, and that's where it started. Now, people are calling ME the aggressor because I try to move people off my ass when they seem to think it's OK to push me harder.
Read YOUR posts and see how wigged out you got to anyone who might have a dissenting opinion! If you wanted to diffuse it, a simple "yea, I can see where that might not be a great idea" would have put this now silly thread to bed a long time ago.
I have to laugh at you junior lawyers here who try to interpret the law to me.
First, there are a lot of LEO on this site. Call me silly but since they are the ones who would be pulling you over for some jackass "antifreeze in the windshield of the tailgater" move, I think they sit as an authority in this matter. Second, there really are, actually, many of us who DO know the law and I can tell you I'm a sight better than a "junior lawyer", this is my field.
Since I visit a gun forum, I must carry a pistol most of the time, and that means I'm going to get mad at you and pull the trigger. Good grief. You guys are too much.
That's a silly notion that someone would imply this, but as a gun owner while you may have rights you have responsibility and as a CCW (don't know if you are one) then the expectation is that you are a cooler head than others without it because we are just one twit away from losing this right as it is and idiots with guns don't help.
You guys can carry on without me. Forever.
Whatever. I hope your skin isn't that thin but if it is then I suppose this is the last post of this thread :).
I was thinking hard about an experience I had not too long ago and here it is...
So I'm coming home from a meeting in Lakewood a few months ago, driving on I-70WB back up to Evergreen. I usually do about 60 down the hill (limit 55) and between 70 and 75 up the hill (limit 65 with 55min in L lane). So naturally I'm in the left lane of traffic passing people like it's my second job (not because I'm fast and aggressive, but most of the time people can't get up the hill near Genessee at a high rate of speed. So I crest the final hill before it levels off and take my foot off the gas. There is a lot of traffic in the right and middle lanes and I intend to pass as many as possible (within the limits of safety and trying not to break 75mph) before exiting at Evergreen Parkway. Lo and behold some super rushed d-bag in a large pickup comes screaming up on my rear bumper as I'm passing traffic that is clearly slower than me and starts with these "move it along" hand gestures. Obviously right now is not the best time to get out of his way unless I want to become fused with a minivan, but he has about as much patience as a spoiled 8 year old in Toys R Us. Now I'm starting to get a little irked with this guy because if he taps the gas anymore he'll have my BMW for a hood ornament and is driving like a maniac. Finally I find a break in traffic so I can get over and not miss my exit and possibly get this asswipe off of me. I put on the blinker, check mirrors/blind spot, I start to move and look in the rear view and see him giving me a round of applause. As soon as I'm over he begins to pass and I very subtly and casually give him the bird and that's when it happens... he slows, leans completely over the passenger seat (meanwhile I'm doing about 70) and gives me the finger and mouths "I'll f***ing kill you." I get off at my exit and half expect him to cut across 3 lanes of traffic to chase me down. So I pull out my trusted .45 and press check just to make sure she's in condition red and go about my drive. But nothing happened. Some people are just all talk.
Ronin13 I had an experience almost like that going up 285. Wife had just bought a new car and we go for a drive. I'm driving up 285 going over the speed limit. Probably no more than 10mph cause I hate paying tickets. I'm in the slow lane coming up on an old toyota truck and move over to the fast lane to go around. Not wanting to just cut the truck off I plan on getting well ahead of him before getting back into the slow lane. Some 50ish old man in a Subaru Outback comes out of nowhere hauling ass. Hes laying on the horn as he cuts in front of the Toyota to pass in the slow lane. I lay on the horn back and at that time he jumps in front of me and LOCKS up the brakes. The vibration in the steering wheel from the anti lock brakes was almost enough to loose control. He tried speeding off. I chased him...I know not smart but when someone tries to kill me it gets my blood pressure up a bit. Chased him for about 5 miles before I realized my wife was hysterical in the passanger seat. Guy was lucky cause I will kick an old mans ass in public if provoked. That's my only road rage story.
No wait here's another one. I used to be my uncles helper doing chain link fence. Were driving down I-25 and he snorts a big snot ball into his mouth and spits out the window of our 5 ton flat bed truck. Yea he's an Okie. Next thing you know a trucker in a simi pulls along side pointing and yelling. Apparently it hit right on his windshield. He's pointing for my uncle to pull over. Well my uncle has Corn Fed tatted on his arm for a reason. He's 6'5 325 lbs and has to turn his shoulders sideways to fit through a standard door. We pulled over first and the trucker pulls over in front of us. We just sit there until he gets to the end of his trailer. My uncle jumps out of the truck ready to kick ass. Trucker got one good look and RAN back to his truck and started rowing gears getting the hell out of there.
My younger brother has had guns pulled on him twice in traffic. Twice people went to jail.
Road rage isn't worth it. Guy might be a giant or have the balls to flip you off and then have to back himself up with a gun. Pussification of America has almost totally done away with the good old fashion fist fight.
BTW I usually drive in the middle or slow lane. I'm self employed and don't have to drive 80mph to get to work on time[Beer]
mcantar18c
06-24-2011, 01:36
I was thinking hard about an experience I had not too long ago and here it is...
So I'm coming home from a meeting in Lakewood a few months ago, driving on I-70WB back up to Evergreen. I usually do about 60 down the hill (limit 55) and between 70 and 75 up the hill (limit 65 with 55min in L lane). So naturally I'm in the left lane of traffic passing people like it's my second job (not because I'm fast and aggressive, but most of the time people can't get up the hill near Genessee at a high rate of speed. So I crest the final hill before it levels off and take my foot off the gas. There is a lot of traffic in the right and middle lanes and I intend to pass as many as possible (within the limits of safety and trying not to break 75mph) before exiting at Evergreen Parkway. Lo and behold some super rushed d-bag in a large pickup comes screaming up on my rear bumper as I'm passing traffic that is clearly slower than me and starts with these "move it along" hand gestures. Obviously right now is not the best time to get out of his way unless I want to become fused with a minivan, but he has about as much patience as a spoiled 8 year old in Toys R Us. Now I'm starting to get a little irked with this guy because if he taps the gas anymore he'll have my BMW for a hood ornament and is driving like a maniac. Finally I find a break in traffic so I can get over and not miss my exit and possibly get this asswipe off of me. I put on the blinker, check mirrors/blind spot, I start to move and look in the rear view and see him giving me a round of applause. As soon as I'm over he begins to pass and I very subtly and casually give him the bird and that's when it happens... he slows, leans completely over the passenger seat (meanwhile I'm doing about 70) and gives me the finger and mouths "I'll f***ing kill you." I get off at my exit and half expect him to cut across 3 lanes of traffic to chase me down. So I pull out my trusted .45 and press check just to make sure she's in condition red and go about my drive. But nothing happened. Some people are just all talk.
Now see, that's exactly what I was talking about in my earlier posts about not escalating a potential situation where you may be forced to use your weapon.
Now see, that's exactly what I was talking about in my earlier posts about not escalating a potential situation where you may be forced to use your weapon.
True... and I usually try to avoid confrontation wherever possible, but if it's unavoidable I used force (deadly or otherwise) as a last resort when all other diplomatic options have failed. My brother had a gun pulled on him in traffic. In Evergreen, approaching the lake where the two lanes of traffic merge to become one, this car camping in my bro's blind spot couldn't get around him so they got right behind him and were honking and flashing lights. My brother gets to our road where there is a turn lane and the guy rolls passed him and pulls up a gun. Good thing my brother wasn't carrying, he's kinda crazy and would have followed this guy and been like "you wanna pull a gun on me!?" But in the end he said it looked like a bb gun. [LOL]
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