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UberTong
06-22-2011, 09:11
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ghettodub
06-22-2011, 09:14
Shot pretty damn close to that lady and kid... Damn!
UberTong
06-22-2011, 09:15
Shot pretty damn close to that lady and kid...
That was my first thought too...yowzers.
He hit the guy all three times if I remember correctly. This happened a few years ago.
Probably not the best example of choosing his shots, but it's hard to argue with 3 hits for 3 rounds. Excellent control under stress.
Mobat555
06-22-2011, 09:37
Shot pretty damn close to that lady and kid... Damn!
+1 , lucky he was, very lucky.
UberTong
06-22-2011, 09:42
He hit the guy all three times if I remember correctly. This happened a few years ago.
Correct
two shoes
06-22-2011, 09:42
Did he ever flash the kid or the lady with the muzzle? I can not find/see where he did. Luck had nothing to do with this, his training and composure under pressure did...
Wow! Intense... good thing he has good control and aim! +1 for that guy!
hollohas
06-22-2011, 10:25
The good guy clearly knew how to use his weapon and made the shots count but his weren't the only bullets flying. He is VERY lucky the BG didn't hit the Mom and kid...
That said, this situation turned out well.
So I'm going to advertise my considerable ignorance here...
BG has a gun and is threatening, teller pulls a gun, BG runs, teller shoots him as he's fleeing...
I have absolutely no issues with that, BG got what he deserved, it stopped him from hurting someone else at a later date, however from a legal perspective was the teller GTG, no charges?
Let's say the same deal happened in my house, I'm in fear for the lives of my family, I quickly produce a weapon and BG runs toward the door and I fire. I'll get hung, is that basically correct? I can't fire if he's fleeing?
Take me to school...
Robb
So I'm going to advertise my considerable ignorance here...
BG has a gun and is threatening, teller pulls a gun, BG runs, teller shoots him as he's fleeing...
I have absolutely no issues with that, BG got what he deserved, it stopped him from hurting someone else at a later date, however from a legal perspective was the teller GTG, no charges?
Let's say the same deal happened in my house, I'm in fear for the lives of my family, I quickly produce a weapon and BG runs toward the door and I fire. I'll get hung, is that basically correct? I can't fire if he's fleeing?
Take me to school...
Robb
Actually yes, you are correct. You cannot shoot someone who is fleeing. Huge civil and criminal liability there. If they are retreating you are not allowed to fire. Best thing you can do is either call the police and provide a description, or order him to stop and hold him at gunpoint until LEOs arrive.
Lex_Luthor
06-22-2011, 10:58
I think the guy in the video was in the clear, because the BG was firing at him?? I'm with Robb. Need a lesson.
Wasn't the clerk a CCW instructor? Or something like that? As I recall, he wasn't just a regular guy with a CCW. And I liked the dust raining down like snow! I do think he should have stayed closer to the downed BG, instead of roaming all over the office. I understand the adrenaline thing though.
ShooterJM
06-22-2011, 12:35
Yeah, if he's firing I don't think that counts as fleeing. You're still in danger and under threat at that point. Now if he dropped the weapon and ran that might be different.
leatherneck448
06-22-2011, 17:59
it says in the video description on youtube that the teller had no charges filed against him, and the bad guy amazingly survived(and went to prison).
As other guys said already, (and to the best of my knowledge) under normal circumstances if a guy is fleeing away from you, it is a no-no to engage, but since bad-guy was firing back as he was running away, that gives the teller the go-ahead to shoot him (and not get prosecuted).
3 of 3? Might wanna review the vid... his first shot went into the cieling. Still badass.... I love to watch retarded crooks drop like a wet sock. Silly monkeys... When will they learn?
Colorado Luckydog
06-22-2011, 19:30
I wonder what caliber he was using? If it was anything less than a 45, it's a good commercial for the reasons one would want to own a 45.
Geology Rocks
06-22-2011, 19:48
I have talked with the person who is the CCW in the video through another forum. The mom and child were much farther away in real time than they looked in the video. No charges were pressed and the cops actually told him good job.
joe
DSB OUTDOORS
06-22-2011, 19:52
Shot pretty damn close to that lady and kid... Damn!
Ya pretty close. But not seeing all camera angles.?
Probably not the best example of choosing his shots, but it's hard to argue with 3 hits for 3 rounds. Excellent control under stress.
I agree! Got ER Done!!
leatherneck448
06-22-2011, 20:02
I wonder what caliber he was using? If it was anything less than a 45, it's a good commercial for the reasons one would want to own a 45.
He was using a Glock 23 w/ 165gr Gold dots.
3 of 3? Might wanna review the vid... his first shot went into the cieling.
it says it the video description that the bad guy was also firing as he ran out the door. Maybe im just blind, but it looked to me like the guys muzzle was never pointed at the ceiling during the vid. Seems a lot more likely to me that tardo bad guy pulled a shot into the roof from his (insert crappy thug-gun here) when he was running out the door.
Colorado Luckydog
06-22-2011, 20:55
I think I'll always keep a 45 with 230 grain hollow points. It's good medicine.
blacklabel
06-22-2011, 21:04
Great shooting on the CCW's part and the mom did a great job getting herself and her daughter out of harms way.
Colorado Luckydog
06-22-2011, 21:07
Seems a lot more likely to me that tardo bad guy pulled a shot into the roof from his (insert crappy thug-gun here) when he was running out the door.
No way the bad guy hit the wall where it was hit. It had to be the good guy. But who cares, he was ready, armed and handled the situation. If he would have had a 45, he would have saved all the tax payers a little money. No courts, or 3 meals and a cot and no rehabilitaion.[ROFL1]
Byte Stryke
06-23-2011, 00:07
still, you know that "Gangsta boi" is having a bad time.
"So, we saw you on youtube getting punkt."
"yeah, That Guy jumped me from nowhere man."
"Yeah... why don't you come by my cell later on and tell me all about it Bitch."
[ROFL1]
One of the great parts of the video is how the CCW casually went up next to the teller (presumably) to "assist" as he sneakily pulled out his weapon. I don't care what anyone else says, the boy was thinking on his feet and did an outstanding job.
I think I'll always keep a 45 with 230 grain hollow points. It's good medicine.
I carry handloaded 230gr. Gold Dots in mine, the cavity in them is huge! I figure they'll do the job. I need to fire one into some water some time to see how they expand, if I can figure out how to recover the slug.
Chad4000
06-24-2011, 17:06
he did great. It's a pretty old vid if I remember..
Nice job [Beer]
Someone m antioning about carrying handloads... You guys think it is allright ?
I also have a 45 and carry 230 grain Golden Sabers, but who knows if a 45 would have had a different outcome. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten off three good shots that fast with a 45. I'm not a 40 short and weak shooter, but I'm sure those 165's don't kick as hard. I'd just say that's one lucky BG that he took three shots and lived. Bet he was bleeding out like a SOB. Probably have to give props to great paramedics for saving this boozo's life.
Or just lay the blame it on being a plastic glock with no safety for the poor performance.[Poke] Where's the guy who moved to DC that likes to call me an asshat cause he drinks his Glock grape Koolaid. I'm waiting....[ROFL1]
Chad4000
06-25-2011, 07:21
I also have a 45 and carry 230 grain Golden Sabers, but who knows if a 45 would have had a different outcome. Maybe he wouldn't have gotten off three good shots that fast with a 45. I'm not a 40 short and weak shooter, but I'm sure those 165's don't kick as hard. I'd just say that's one lucky BG that he took three shots and lived. Bet he was bleeding out like a SOB. Probably have to give props to great paramedics for saving this boozo's life.
Or just lay the blame it on being a plastic glock with no safety for the poor performance.[Poke] Where's the guy who moved to DC that likes to call me an asshat cause he drinks his Glock grape Koolaid. I'm waiting....[ROFL1]
Lol I was going to say something about the caliber debate too but decided against haha. It's funny cause I have a hi cap 9mm and a 1911, and I haven't quite decided but I think I'm more comfortable having the 9mm as my go to gun.
All in all, this guy did great, is a hero, and it is sad the bg lived. maybe we can take the bg around to schools and show him off as a deterrent to kids. (you guys remember that wrecked car they used to take around to the schools before proms or something to show what would happen if you drove drunk? Lol)
This guy looked like he held it together really well considering. from drawing while covered to pushing the other clerk down with his weak side elbow, and then putting three into the guy.
As to the hand gun caliber thing, the only wounds I've ever seen, in real life, that gets you DRT, is a shotgun. Rifles do some damage with good hits, but I never treated a rifle wound patient (that may mean something). Handguns suck, all of them, get the one you can shoot best. I never went on a call of a hand gun wound and found a dead patient, including 2 head wound suicide attempts. On the other hand, I went on 2 shotgun wound calls , and they were both dead before they hit the ground (we got turned around before we hit the door, as in No Exam Needed). I know this is far from scientific, but as far as handgun wounds in people, never been super impressed, they get people out of the fight and on the ground just fine, but rarely dead right there.
If someone has some experience to discredit this throw it out there, an ambulance in Arizona isn't the end all be all of wound data.
Nice job [Beer]
Someone m antioning about carrying handloads... You guys think it is allright ?
That was me, and it don't bother me none. I've never understood the hand-wringing about carrying ammo you made yourself, unless we're talking about uber-hot loads with drilled out hollowpoints filled with mercury. I handload nearly all the ammo I shoot, except .22's, I just don't like buying factory ammo when I have tons of supplies right here.
From what I've read, your major concern should be whether a s/d shooting was justified, not the source of your ammo.
I load all my other ammo, but not CCW and .22 lr...
I _heard_ about problems in defensive situation because someone had handloaded ammo, but no idea if it is urban legend or fact ?
And this was with typical handloaded .45 ACP JHP (if Iremember right Gold Dot), we should leave mercury etc. tricks we should leave to gangbangers etc. people anyway :)
Anyway I would love to load all my ammo expect .22 lr, just to make it 120% reliable with oal tweaking etc.
Anyone else have an opinion ? KevDen2005 or other LE officers ?
lead_magnet
06-26-2011, 02:13
I say GOOD FREAKIN JOB!!! I'd take that guy with me into the depths of hell. He should be proud of himself, but probably isn't.
On a side note...would it have looked bad in court if you piss on the dead guy? Just a question.
Byte Stryke
06-26-2011, 15:51
This guy looked like he held it together really well considering. from drawing while covered to pushing the other clerk down with his weak side elbow, and then putting three into the guy.
As to the hand gun caliber thing, the only wounds I've ever seen, in real life, that gets you DRT, is a shotgun. Rifles do some damage with good hits, but I never treated a rifle wound patient (that may mean something). Handguns suck, all of them, get the one you can shoot best. I never went on a call of a hand gun wound and found a dead patient, including 2 head wound suicide attempts. On the other hand, I went on 2 shotgun wound calls , and they were both dead before they hit the ground (we got turned around before we hit the door, as in No Exam Needed). I know this is far from scientific, but as far as handgun wounds in people, never been super impressed, they get people out of the fight and on the ground just fine, but rarely dead right there.
If someone has some experience to discredit this throw it out there, an ambulance in Arizona isn't the end all be all of wound data.
So what you are saying is that I can cancel my wrongful death insurance...
[ROFL1]
0 experince with even seeing a person shot. I have used JHP ammo on rabbits and other small game out of a handgun. I know that Golden Sabers out of a 45 make a mess of cotton tails. Rifles with any kind of expanding bullets and there ain't much left.
Do you think that your experince with gunshot wounds is typically FMJ ammo bigmatt?
Like military 5.56 not being reliable to drop insurgents. I don't think it would be the same if they could use a 60 grain V max. I'd assume even arm and leg hits would be lethal pretty quick.
0 experince with even seeing a person shot. I have used JHP ammo on rabbits and other small game out of a handgun. I know that Golden Sabers out of a 45 make a mess of cotton tails. Rifles with any kind of expanding bullets and there ain't much left.
Do you think that your experince with gunshot wounds is typically FMJ ammo bigmatt?
Like military 5.56 not being reliable to drop insurgents. I don't think it would be the same if they could use a 60 grain V max. I'd assume even arm and leg hits would be lethal pretty quick.
I'm not sure, never found a bullet or stayed long enough for them to dig them out. All the pistol rounds could have been FMJs very easily, or Self defense loads for that matter. All we ever knew was pistol/rifle/shotgun, as that was easy to tell, and sometimes caliber. I know its not scientific, but dead vs. not-dead was enough ballistic table for me.
all this info makes me thing a 4 inch barrel 870 with 00 buck is the perfect CCW![Coffee]
That was me, and it don't bother me none. I've never understood the hand-wringing about carrying ammo you made yourself, unless we're talking about uber-hot loads with drilled out hollowpoints filled with mercury. I handload nearly all the ammo I shoot, except .22's, I just don't like buying factory ammo when I have tons of supplies right here.
From what I've read, your major concern should be whether a s/d shooting was justified, not the source of your ammo.
so the napalm bullets that I carry that are laced with AIDS and West Nile virus aren't exactly okay?[Muaha]
flan7211
06-27-2011, 00:28
so the napalm bullets that I carry that are laced with AIDS and West Nile virus aren't exactly okay?[Muaha]
[ROFL1]
I prefer the herpagonosyphilaids dipped bullets.
so the napalm bullets that I carry that are laced with AIDS and West Nile virus aren't exactly okay?[Muaha]
As long as you load the mags while wearing gloves, I don't see the issue. Are the primers the toxic symbol?
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