Fill Me The F#$K In!!

[Colorado Luckydog]

I thought RMGO was supposed to be a good thing. I even thought Dudley Brown was supposed to be one of the good guys. I get tired as hell of them asking me for money but other than that I don't know shit. I spend a lot of time on here but when I'm not on here, I'm working, spending time with the family or hunting. If you guys don't fill me in, then I don't know. It's hard to read between the lines, when you don't know shit.

[Wulf202]

I've long since given up on RMGO after dealing directly with Dudley on an issue, being insulted for no reason, then being insulted and blamed for his mistake.

Sounds alot like my one and only experience with gunsmoke.

[flan7211]

Dudely is personally abrasive. He seems to just be kind of nutty. Stick with the issues and quit begging for money.

[Colorado Luckydog]

I have been feeling guilty for not sending them money! I guess I'm not alone.[Beer]

[Colorado Luckydog]

One more thing, I thought they were affiliated with this site when I joined a few years ago.

[stenz]

You dont have to like Dudley but I think we all can agree that for the most part we like what they do as an organization.

[pickenup]

I think we all can agree that for the most part we like what they do as an organization.
What is it that they do/have done........especially lately?

[Ridge]

What is it that they do/have done........especially lately?

At the very least they are good with sending out information that can help gun owners get out there and let our state representatives know how we feel about bills in progress...

[stenz]

What is it that they do/have done........especially lately?

Well, I cant give you answers because I dont pay that close of attention to them but, Im glad they're there. All Im saying is it seems like its WAY better to have a group like RMGO then not to have them.

[Byte Stryke]

At the very least they are good with sending out information that can help gun owners get out there and let our state representatives know how we feel about bills in progress...

beg for money, support criminals, Beg for money, cast gun owners in a bad light by supporting this joke of a show, beg for money, sue colleges

[Ridge]

beg for money, support criminals, Beg for money, cast gun owners in a bad light by supporting this joke of a show, beg for money, sue colleges

As a person who was a member of Students for Concealed Carry, I like that they are pushing colleges to allow students to defend themselves.

And hell, the NRA begs for money just as badly. It got so bad I asked to be taken off their mailing lists. They begging only increased in numbers after I joined. I've been thinking about joining RMGO when my membership at the NRA runs out in a year or so.

[GunsRBadMMMMKay]

WOW....feel like I'm gonna get mobbed if I say anything good about RMGO here lol.

I'm glad they're around, and definitely appreciate the info I get through them. The emails always asking for donations do get old - but as with any organization that operates off donations, I'm sure they're constantly hungry LOL.

[chunga]

I've been a member of RMGO for a few years now.
They do seem to have a voice with legislatures.
I'm glad they're there.
The constant begging for money gets a little old but RMGO is not as bad as the NRA. They must think I'm rich or something.
I'm a member of RMGO,NAGR and NRA.
Things about all of them bug me but they all have some clout and they are speaking for the second amendment so I will continue to be a member of all 3.
I just ignore the scare tactics.

[alxone]

my impression of RMGO , doom and more doom now give me money , now doom and more doom , did i forget to ask for money ??? so now that??? you have scared me so now you want money to help out shooters ??? ok dudley ill give you money because so you do soooo much more than the rest of us for the shooting community.

i call b*ll sh*t .

[Byte Stryke]

well they lost me when they jumped in bed with Gunsmoke.

[funkymonkey1111]

beg for money, support criminals, Beg for money, cast gun owners in a bad light by supporting this joke of a show, beg for money, sue colleges


what criminals? what show? (i don't know anything about them)

[newracer]

RMGO was instrumental in getting the CCW laws we have today and the "Make My Day" law for protection in your home.

They have been leading the battle to allow CCW on college campuses including overturning the CU ban.

They are constantly working to identify business that are anti-CCW.

They worked with legislators to introduce new CCW laws that would allow any law abiding citizen to carry without a permit or training.

I agree that the fear mongering and asking for money is a little over the top and gets annoying but I'll gladly put up with that for the what they do.

[Ranger]

I support the cause and not the man. I'll continue to support RMGO because I believe in their underlying philosophy even if I don't agree with all their actions (Gunsmoke/TV show) or their constant begging (see also: any non profit organization, particularly one you have ever donated to). They do give gun owners a voice, but just as politicians aren't 100% of what I had envisioned it's the 60-70% that I vote them in for (the same 60-70% that I DON'T vote for the other guy because of).

Nothing is perfect, some are just good enough to pass.

[Irving]

I will re-asses my decision to withhold money from them when this Gunsmoke fiasco is over.

[Storm]

RMGO was instrumental in getting the CCW laws we have today and the "Make My Day" law for protection in your home.


I'm not here to be pro or anti RMGO. However, I have a hard time believing that they had anything to do with Colorado's "Make My Day" law. This law was passed 26 years ago back in 1985. I may be wrong, but I don't think RMGO was around back then. Do you have some evidence to support this?

[Cbrown]

I don't know Dudley at all but it was asked in this thread if RMGO does even one good thing for gun owners.

One example is the list they keep of businesses that choose to disallow firearms. I appreciate the fact that I can choose to spend my money locally at businesses that don't go out of their way to infringe on my carry rights.

I can say objectively that RMGO.com's section on these businesses is a good thing for all Colorado gun owners regardless of what one may think of Dudley as a person or the organization as a whole.

Again, I am only trying to be objective.

[banks74]

I know Dudley and he is a good guy. RMGO has done a lot of work in CO to improve our rights. I don't always agree with the everything but I still support their efforts and goal to secure more freedom for us in CO and nationally with NAGR.

I am an NRA member as well as NAGR and RMGO. I have been disgruntled with the NRA in several areas the last couple years, but the last straw was the NRA endorsed Markey over Gardner, a guy I have shot machine guns next too at the shoots in eastern CO, I gave up on them and am moving on.

Austin

[Byte Stryke]

I Guess my point is this:
How can you claim to be doing something positive for Colorado Gun Owners when you use your membership roster to ask us to line up and get screwed by Gunsmoke on National TV?

had this been some "Off List" advert I would say "Ok, they are just spamming."
You Used a list we entrusted to you to further the rights of Citizens, Not further the pockets of Dick Wyatt.


"Character is that thing you do when you think no one is looking."

[Colorado Luckydog]

I Guess my point is this:
How can you claim to be doing something positive for Colorado Gun Owners when you use your membership roster to ask us to line up and get screwed by Gunsmoke on National TV?

had this been some "Off List" advert I would say "Ok, they are just spamming."
You Used a list we entrusted to you to further the rights of Citizens, Not further the pockets of Dick Wyatt.


"Character is that thing you do when you think no one is looking."

Byte, I ain't arguing with you. In fact, this is why I started this thread. You need to go into more detail. How are we getting "screwed by Gunsmoke on National TV"?

[Byte Stryke]

Byte, I ain't arguing with you. In fact, this is why I started this thread. You need to go into more detail. How are we getting "screwed by Gunsmoke on National TV"?

well if a zebra can change their stripes and a Leopard can change their spots it might be all OK.
However, I can pretty well predict that the river will continue to flow, the grass will continue to grow and Gunsmoke will continue mounting customer complaints. For RMGO to use their Membership list to look for volunteers/victims of this is less than amusing.

[RMGOdirector]

Pickenup: You asked what we do.

http://www.co-ar15.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41997

[RMGOdirector]

I'm not here to be pro or anti RMGO. However, I have a hard time believing that they had anything to do with Colorado's "Make My Day" law. This law was passed 26 years ago back in 1985. I may be wrong, but I don't think RMGO was around back then. Do you have some evidence to support this?

RMGO didn't claim to write the current "Make My Day" law that is now in Colorado Statutes.

We have been trying to expand that law, so it covers you in your place of business, in your car, or other areas.

Yes, please: let the smoke clear (if you'll pardon the pun) on this TV Show, and see what you think, if you have questions about us. Judge RMGO by what it does, where it stands, and (in regards to this TV show) the part RMGO plays (NOT Rich Wyatt, or anyone else, as we have no control over that).

To some here who are NRA guys, but then say "I can't believe RMGO would associate with Rich Wyatt", I suggest you look at an American Rifleman magazine from early 2010, with Sen. Harry Reid's picture all over it (with Wayne LaPierre fawning all over him).

[Storm]

RMGO didn't claim to write the current "Make My Day" law that is now in Colorado Statutes.

We have been trying to expand that law, so it covers you in your place of business, in your car, or other areas.

Yes, please: let the smoke clear (if you'll pardon the pun) on this TV Show, and see what you think, if you have questions about us. Judge RMGO by what it does, where it stands, and (in regards to this TV show) the part RMGO plays (NOT Rich Wyatt, or anyone else, as we have no control over that).

To some here who are NRA guys, but then say "I can't believe RMGO would associate with Rich Wyatt", I suggest you look at an American Rifleman magazine from early 2010, with Sen. Harry Reid's picture all over it (with Wayne LaPierre fawning all over him).

RMGOdirector,
My issue wasn't with you, but was with newracer's claim that RMGO had something to do with the Colorado Castle Doctrine law. I doubted this for reason's stated. This was not an attack on RMGO.

From what I know about RMGO, y'all do some good WRT the Second Amendment in Colorado.

[Bailey Guns]

To some here who are NRA guys, but then say "I can't believe RMGO would associate with Rich Wyatt", I suggest you look at an American Rifleman magazine from early 2010, with Sen. Harry Reid's picture all over it (with Wayne LaPierre fawning all over him).

OK, Dudley...

You just about had me back in your court on the Wyatt/Gunsmoke thing...until you wrote that.

The "NRA does it, too!" defense is pretty lame. I thought you might be above such a weak, straw-man argument. I guess not.

I have 2 big arguments with RMGO:
the constant bad-mouthing of the NRA
and now this deal with Wyatt/GunsmokeI've been able to overlook the NRA bashing though I'm a Benefactor Member. I'd considered renewing my membership to RMGO as I always do. Now, I'm on the fence again.

The only compelling argument I can see in renewing is the fact you do fight the good fight in Colorado and I appreciate that.

But the NRA bashing is a big turnoff and it's not helping your position...at least with me, anyway. And this sort of statement certainly doesn't help.

If you're going to say it's wrong for NRA don't you have to admit it's wrong for RMGO?

[RMGOdirector]

No, two wrongs don't make a right. I was merely showing the hypocrisy of some.

Harry Reid is a leftist-voting politician whom the NRA gives cover to, in exchange for "access" for them.

Rich Wyatt, whatever you might say about him, is a gun rights activist (sorry, no one on this list has proven he's not, and can't, unless they tell me their name and can list decades of fighting against gun control).

Quite different, even if you hate his shop, his personality (frankly, I know quite a few politicians who have amiable personalities but vote terribly), etc.

For RMGO, trying to steer an already existing TV show to be better (by having our members be a part of the show) when they talk about the gun community is a no-brainer.

As for us talking "out of school" about the NRA, sorry, but we're not going to stop talking about anyone -- regardless of their affiliations -- who sell out gun owners. Period. Full stop.

[Byte Stryke]

No, two wrongs don't make a right. I was merely showing the hypocrisy of some.

Harry Reid is a leftist-voting politician whom the NRA gives cover to, in exchange for "access" for them.

Rich Wyatt, whatever you might say about him, is a gun rights activist (sorry, no one on this list has proven he's not, and can't, unless they tell me their name and can list decades of fighting against gun control).

Quite different, even if you hate his shop, his personality (frankly, I know quite a few politicians who have amiable personalities but vote terribly), etc.

For RMGO, trying to steer an already existing TV show to be better (by having our members be a part of the show) when they talk about the gun community is a no-brainer.

As for us talking "out of school" about the NRA, sorry, but we're not going to stop talking about anyone -- regardless of their affiliations -- who sell out gun owners. Period. Full stop.


[Eek3]

So, let me see if I have this right...
You condemn those that would sell out gun owners...
Yet you used my personal information on a gun rights mailing list for the benefit and financial gain of a private company.

No, two wrongs don't make a right. I was merely showing the hypocrisy of some.

Well said, although I don't believe you were referring to yourself at the time.

[RMGOdirector]

It is not selling out gun owners to get them involved in a TV show (that is happening whether you like it or not).

Let's not have another 20 rounds of circular arguments. We've already stated positions. We simply don't agree that RMGO using it's e-mail list for a TV show is "screwing" anyone.

[wctriumph]

Times are tough and money is tight. I was a member of the NRA and the NAGR until last year but I just can't afford the $35 it takes to re-up with each of them. That $35 buys me a week of gas to get to work and back and to take my disabled wife to her doctors. If that sound like pocket change to you, I will accept a membership renewal from anyone of you that can afford to pay the membership fee. I just can't afford to pay out the money at this time and count myself lucky to be employed. I do continue to remain a member of the RMGO as they look after my rights on a local level. I put personal issues aside to help protect our rights.

As to Gun Smoke, I like Rich and get along with him just fine. I will not have my guns worked on by his shop anymore but I do like visiting Gun Smoke when I am in the area.