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BushMasterBoy
06-29-2011, 12:42
Criminals got
I dunno. He should have let the punk flee IMO. The store owner lucked out big time.
If the thief had fired or threatened him then returning fire to stop the threat would be understandable.
To open fire on a shoplifter that has run off with a $12 bottle of vodka is ridiculous It wasn't self defense if they were driving away..
BushMasterBoy
06-29-2011, 13:18
Article says guy was hit on the head as he left the store to pursue shoplifters. I guess maybe he should have waited til they run him over with the car too? Article shows that Colorado Springs residents are sick of being victims of criminals, grand jury findings reflect this.
So, you want all thieves and law breakers to be fired upon? Maybe we should start chopping peoples hands off because they stole something.
Wait, this isn't Saudia Arabia- we are better than that.
ghettodub
06-29-2011, 13:27
Article says guy was hit on the head as he left the store to pursue shoplifters. I guess maybe he should have waited til they run him over with the car too? Article shows that Colorado Springs residents are sick of being victims of criminals, grand jury findings reflect this.
understand your point, but I have to agree with hip on this one...
I hate thieves more than anything pretty much, but shooting them while they're running away? I dunno about that...
I personally wouldn't have shot at him, but I'm glad that he got shot.
I think the outcome would have been different if he had killed him.
I agree. This guy was very lucky to get off like he did.
BushMasterBoy
06-29-2011, 13:42
I give up! Guy gets ripped off, then he is assaulted. Shoots one shot...hits thugs...and you guys think his actions are wrong. It's just too bad he didn't kill them!
Here's the way I look at it.
When you fire your weapon at another human being you are doing so to stop a threat. If you succeed in stopping that threat, you are likely going to take that person's life.
Am I going to shoot at someone for stealing my yard furniture? My Mailbox? My car?
No I'm not.
If they point a weapon at me or I feel my life is in danger, then I will vigorously defend myself to stop that threat.
bobbyfairbanks
06-29-2011, 13:59
If they point a weapon at me
If you wait till they are pointing the weapon at you, it is probable to late.
If you wait till they are pointing the weapon at you, it is probable to late.
Ok, lemme rephrase that-
If they are stealing my property and draw a weapon in a threatening way, edangering my life....
Bailey Guns
06-29-2011, 14:38
We have a reputable business owner who's been shot in a prior robbery.
Now some scumbag comes in his business and steals from him. He's stealing the man's livelihood. The thief is taking the equivalent of food from his table, gas from his car, money to pay his health care, money to fund his retirement. In other words, the fuckin little thief is stealing this man's life.
In an attempt to stop the theft and protect himself after being assaulted he fires one round from his gun, wounding the thief and an accomplice.
And you people want to piss and moan about how morally reprehensible the victim is? Fuck that.
I probably wouldn't have shot the guy, either. Not because I'm morally opposed to shooting thieves. Hell...if I was emperor you'd be required to shoot thieves. I wouldn't have shot him for fear of attitudes displayed here. People feeling sorry for some scumbag thief want to put the wrong guy in jail.
That's one of the problems with our society these days, and one reason there's so many scumbags running around without fear of consequence to their anti-social behavior.
Fuck this guy. I wish he'd died. I'm glad the grand jury refused to return an indictment.
ghettodub
06-29-2011, 14:41
Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with the bad guy getting shot, and I have no sympathy or empathy for the bad guy. I'm only speaking from a legal matter...
Bailey Guns
06-29-2011, 14:45
In a legal sense, I agree...he probably got lucky. That's part of the problem.
ghettodub
06-29-2011, 14:47
That's part of the problem.
agreed
Jumpstart
06-29-2011, 14:56
Colorado Springs has impressed me today.
1. This situation above.
2. The mayor didn't succumb to the homosexual agenda and sign a proclamation affirming "Gayday" in the Springs. It's flippin refreshing for a change.
Byte Stryke
06-29-2011, 15:18
so if you get robbed, Cower like a bitch, DO NOT Attempt to get information like a plate number. Because if you are assaulted with a deadly weapon you may not defend yourself.
robbery occurs
Shopkeep follows thief out to get plate number
thief assaults shopkeep with deadly force
Shopkeep returns force in kind and is wrong?
Yeah, Police affidavits are always exact complete and correct.
it would seem to me that someone probably had evidence such as a video or photo.
[Bang]
the fact that this guy was even taken to a grand jury is a disgrace.
Next time you are in CS, stop in and buy a 6-pack or something from this man.
SA Friday
06-29-2011, 17:56
We have a reputable business owner who's been shot in a prior robbery.
Now some scumbag comes in his business and steals from him. He's stealing the man's livelihood. The thief is taking the equivalent of food from his table, gas from his car, money to pay his health care, money to fund his retirement. In other words, the fuckin little thief is stealing this man's life.
Fuck this guy. I wish he'd died. I'm glad the grand jury refused to return an indictment.
and monetary valued items can be compensated for. A persons life cannot. Once it's gone, it's gone. Not always the case in stolen goods.
There isn't a very good accounting of the sequence of events that led to the shootin in this article IMO. For me, I cannot determine if the shooting was justified or not. Im glad to see CO Springs using Grand Juries to determine how to proceed in these types of situations. It clearly shows they are leaning towards the citizens beliefs on these matters instead of leaning towards a view of prosecutors disgression in filing charges.
BushMasterBoy
06-29-2011, 20:11
Idiots that got shot was cousins...
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Liquor_Store_Owner_Cleared_In_Shoplifter_Shooting_ Case_124748894.html
http://www.blackplanet.com/Brysondewberry/
Byte Stryke
06-29-2011, 20:29
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jplove71
06-29-2011, 20:37
Next time you are in CS, stop in and buy a 6-pack or something from this man.
I drive by there every day. I plan on doing just that tomorrow after work. If he lets me, I'll see if I can get a picture of us with me shaking his hand.
so if you get robbed, Cower like a bitch, DO NOT Attempt to get information like a plate number. Because if you are assaulted with a deadly weapon you may not defend yourself.
robbery occurs
Shopkeep follows thief out to get plate number
thief assaults shopkeep with deadly force
Shopkeep returns force in kind and is wrong? And I have to agree with this.
Who knows if there would have been a second attack on the store owner? Without actually having been there to witness it or a video to show what happened, one can only speculate.
there's a liquor store in a strip mall on south circle that I used to go in a lot.
I don't drink, so being sober I always went on the "oh crap, it's getting late we better get more beer before the store closes" run.
the older asian guy that owned the store was a nice fellow. he was shot and killed in a robbery.
I don't think we should chop off hands, but the pendulum of the system has swung too far in favor of criminals.
it needs some revamping to put some justice back in the legal system.
jerrymrc
06-29-2011, 21:01
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You forgot something. http://i884.photobucket.com/albums/ac44/jerrymrc/blackplanet.jpg
[Coffee]
So, you want all thieves and law breakers to be fired upon? Maybe we should start chopping peoples hands off because they stole something.
Wait, this isn't Saudia Arabia- we are better than that.
Actually, ya, that would be great.
I personaly think he should have done time for attemted murder, do to the fact the guy was running away. There was no threat and in fact no reason to chase after him, much less shoot him. What he should have done was got the plate number of the car, description of the guy who shoplifted the vodka, and called 911, with the last known direction they were going. I would bet my bottom dollar they would have been pulled over shortly after, and the vodka would have been recovered in there possesion, and bam bad guy in jail, and shop owner not in hot water. Now there is no way of knowing if that would have gone down that way, but imo it should have been handled that way.
I would bet my bottom dollar they would have been pulled over shortly after, and the vodka would have been recovered in there possesion, and bam bad guy in jail, and shop owner not in hot water.
You can not be serious.
Actually, ya, that would be great.
Are you saying that you like the ways of Islamic law?
Byte Stryke
06-30-2011, 00:09
Are you saying that you like the ways of Islamic law?
Muslims aren't the only ones doing it.
Muslims aren't the only ones doing it.
Who else is chopping off hands and heads then?
Byte Stryke
06-30-2011, 09:14
Who else is chopping off hands and heads then?
alot of Orthodox Jews, and the far east are really into capital punishment.
I dont know about heads, but you can lose a hand in many eastern countries.
funkymonkey1111
06-30-2011, 10:14
Who else is chopping off hands and heads then?
the post of yours he responded to contained two options--be fired upon or hands chopped off. interesting you played the Islam card in defense of your weak position.
the post of yours he responded to contained two options--be fired upon or hands chopped off. interesting you played the Islam card in defense of your weak position.
Obviously you are a student of the law.
Chase an unarmed burglar into the street, shoot him and see what happens.
funkymonkey1111
06-30-2011, 10:30
Obviously you are a student of the law.
i know how to read and can point out your lame argument. the poster didn't say he would go into the street and shoot a fleeing person, but instead said that he wouldn't have a problem with it.
i know how to read and can point out your lame argument. the poster didn't say he would go into the street and shoot a fleeing person, but instead said that he wouldn't have a problem with it.
Yeah, I can read too. And I know a bit about grammar - [ROFL1]
You wanna jump in and split hairs with me, that's fine. As a n00b I'll accept your feeble attempt at trolling as just that, trolling.
funkymonkey1111
06-30-2011, 11:07
Oh, the ad hominem--the next step in a defending a pointless position. Even more impressive is the three-pronged ad hominem. I'm anxiously awaiting how you're going to weave Nazism into your defense next.
Oh, the ad hominem--the next step in a defending a pointless position. Even more impressive is the three-pronged ad hominem. I'm anxiously awaiting how you're going to weave Nazism into your defense next.
My position is not pointless, but you trolling is.
[ROFL2]
funkymonkey1111
06-30-2011, 11:32
I didn't realize pointing out your futile tactic was trolling. It's simple, friend--you were called out and have no response, despite your sad efforts to the contrary.
To make it crystal clear for you since you seem to have a hard time following along here--nobody, except you, brought up some sort of regression to Islamic law (which I'm assuming you understand is called Sharia).
Not one person advocated that, and not one person bit on your dangled carrot. When that didn't happen, you pushed the issue and made the baseless assertion that another poster advocated Sharia--all in an effort to bolster your obvious point that use of deadly force on a fleeing suspect isn't permitted in Colorado.
Let met explain something to you sport.
By jumping in without your own opinion you are a troll. You are trying to defend someone else's posted opinion without any constructive input yourself. You are trying to inflame others by attacking them with no position of your own.
This in and of itself is trolling.
funkymonkey1111
06-30-2011, 12:11
Hey sport, you may not be familiar with it, but this is what's called a "forum." That's a place where everyone can comment. Perhaps you're not used to being called out for weak positions--but hey, it happens in forums from time to time. Surely someone as experienced in forum usage as you doesn't need this simple concept explained to you by -- what was your term? a n00b? (complete with your cute little use of cartoons to try and make your point)
Hey sport, you may not be familiar with it, but this is what's called a "forum." That's a place where everyone can comment. Perhaps you're not used to being called out for weak positions--but hey, it happens in forums from time to time. Surely someone as experienced in forum usage as you doesn't need this simple concept explained to you by -- what was your term? a n00b? (complete with your cute little use of cartoons to try and make your point)
Hey, you can't call me sport, I called you that first! [ROFL1] (it's called an emoticon or smiley)
I know all about opinions and viewpoints, as I posted mine. You haven't posted yours though, as you are just riding in someone else's wake in an attempt to come after me.
This is good fun though.
n00b is an internet forum term for newbie. I bet you can figue out what that means, right?
But are you a real n00b or a fake n00b, that's the real story here.
Either way your antics are good entertainment for everyone else that is sitting back and enjoying the little show you are putting on
Good show sport!
[ROFL2]
(another one of those "cute little use of cartoons" )
funkymonkey1111
06-30-2011, 13:00
But are you a real n00b or a fake n00b, that's the real story here.
Surely someone as well versed in forum usage such as yourself would already know the answer to that question, wouldn't they?
Surely someone as well versed in forum usage such as yourself would already know the answer to that question, wouldn't they?
Doesn't really matter, as you fit into one of the two categories.
Welcome to the forums!
[Beer]
ghettodub
06-30-2011, 13:11
Please, make it stop...
http://www.roflcorner.com/wp-content/gallery/facepalm/jesus-facepalm-facepalm-jesus-epic-demotivational-poster-1218659828.jpg
Delfuego
06-30-2011, 14:59
Thank you guys! I have been dying to use this photo...[ROFL1]
http://www.andreasschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/arguingontheinternet.jpg
Byte Stryke
06-30-2011, 23:07
Thank you guys! I have been dying to use this photo...[ROFL1]
http://www.andreasschwartz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/arguingontheinternet.jpg
WINNER!
[ROFL1]
BREATHER
07-01-2011, 04:45
What's wrong with cutting off a thief's hand.... don't know,, we're better then Suadi Arabia ???? Maybe we should compare crime rates...
I understand if someone down on their luck stealing food for the family, but assholes that steal booze, cigs, fuck "em. I am tired of assholes acting with impunity. It looks like many people are, including grand juries...
I'm not your buddy, pal.
Uh oh, who pissed off stuving? Better go back and read. [Coffee]
ghettodub
07-01-2011, 10:18
I'm not your buddy, pal.
I'm not your pal, guy!
I don't know the rest of them. :p
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